The Nineteenth Byte

betseg

19:01

noone

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

^ my cat when she was younger, just cause I found the image while trying to install tf2c

betseg

you no downcat?

Zachary T

Awwwww.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@betseg not anymore, no. it appeared to be really confusing (for understandable reasons)

betseg

@betseg lol - i wrote scrot so fast that it couldnt even catch up with my typing

Gabriel Benamy

19:12

the worst sensation in the world is having a strand of hair stuck at the back of your throat and not being able to remove it, so you constantly feel nauseous

Zachary T

The absolute worst sensation is a sudden surge of emotions, when you thought they were never even present.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

that got deep fast

@ZacharyT is that aw at "cat" or aw at "no more downcat"?

betseg

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ 2meirl4/r/meirl

Zachary T

BOTH!

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@betseg is that a thing

I thought it was just 2meirl4meirl

betseg

19:18

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ yes but i didnt want to keep anyone ootl

Gabriel Benamy

@ZacharyT I'm numb to that at this point honestly

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@betseg oh lol

Zachary T

How? How can one be numb to that?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

I'm guessing either alcohol or a really high tolerance for pain meds

Zachary T

Yeah, seems right.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

19:21

thank you for the star kind stranger

FlipTack

Golfing in java is actually quite fun. I should do this more often

Kritixi Lithos

^ finally someone realises it :)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@ZacharyT can confirm also, I have a really high tolerance for pain meds because of childhood injuries

Zachary T

Java deserves to die.

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@FlipTack s/in Java //

FlipTack

19:24

I haven't done Java for a year, I'm trying to get my skills back up

@KritixiLithos I golfed that other one into a lambda codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/104983/60919

I was trying to find some way of shortening Math.pow(2,i), but doing 1<<i overflows for larger numbers

Kritixi Lithos

Suggestion (haven't tested it): while(Math.pow(2,i<<=1+i%2)<=x);

@FlipTack I tried that but it failed for the same reasons

betseg

just bought and downloaded antichamber, ill get some brainbork

Zachary T

It is saddening this is how I waste my life.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@betseg have fun!

it's a really fun game

@El'endiaStarman thank you for what you started, now tux and betseg have both tried antichamber

betseg

i havent yet

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

19:34

meant trying, oh well

too late to edit

FlipTack

@KritixiLithos that doesn't seem to work, i stays at 0

haha, got it, just use 1L<<i instead

instead of math.pow

ah wait, that still fails for 64

DJMcMayhem

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ hey, it was me too. :P

Now we just need to start the undertale revolution.

Zachary T

Yeah, I'm outta here. Before this chat too goes insane.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@DJMcMayhem #sans2020

apparently that's already a thing

DJMcMayhem

Now that's a candidate I can get behind

Zachary T

19:42

My point exactly, but *better than Trump, and with that: "That like events may ne'er it ruinate. "

Dennis

19:58

→ 103 messages moved to Trash

PythonMaster

pungenerator.org/puns?q=Java

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Dennis thank you so much

PythonMaster

What just happened

Dennis

I did.

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PythonMaster

I don't have a VISUAL

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

19:59

@DJMcMayhem go figure: sans didn't get moved to the trash with along with the puns

PythonMaster

Ok I'll stop

wizzwizz4

You just... Wow.

PythonMaster

But seriously, who names a language, "Nice"?

Zachary T

Same here, my puns are so done.

Who names a f***ing language A PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE? (Iverson).

wizzwizz4

How did you do that without an explanatory message?

PythonMaster

20:00

Here is a list of the most stupid names for coding languages in my opinion

App Inventor for Android's visual block language

AutoHotkey

AutoCoder

BETA

Dennis

@wizzwizz4 You might have to refresh. Looks like chat can't handle moving 100+ messages at once.

PythonMaster

I can't C your Babbage

See what I mean?

wizzwizz4

@PythonMaster Please STOP IT NOW!

Zachary T

C. D. APL. J. C++. C#. B. A+. K. What takes the cake is TRUMPSCRIPT.

FlipTack

when stackexchange knows ur trash af

PythonMaster

20:02

I said I was making an example!

wizzwizz4

@ZacharyT If anyone posts any more language puns, I'll kick.

PythonMaster

@FlipTack Very funny

Conor O'Brien

@wizzwizz4 mod abuse, no ? >_>

PythonMaster

I though my right of speech is applicable online! (Here comes the entire debate whether this chatroom is American and whether my statement is true or not)

wizzwizz4

@ConorO'Brien There's already been a kick (or ragequit, but that's out of character).

@PythonMaster It is.

PythonMaster

20:04

What is?

Zachary T

Those aren't PUNS! Those are (must resist) bad language names.

Conor O'Brien

@wizzwizz4 .-. I'll take my leave

wizzwizz4

You can talk in Trash if you want to make really bad "jokes".

Dennis

@PythonMaster Freedom of speech means the government can't silence you. I'm not the government.

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PythonMaster

Okay I'll list bad language names without any puns included okay? Just the names like Python or Java

:)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

20:05

@FlipTack r/meirl

Conor O'Brien

let's get this out of the way, "Stacked" is the worst name for a language.

PythonMaster

No, it's Stackless Python

Yes, that's an actual language

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@ZacharyT that's actually a pretty good name

wizzwizz4

No, it's `\`.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@ConorO'Brien meh, needs more goats and it's fine

StackedGoats

Zachary T

20:06

Yeah, please, I don't want to be dropped from this chat. A Programming Language is the worst.

PythonMaster

Charm should make the list too

Zachary T

Brainf*** or TrumpScript.

PythonMaster

CODE

Yes, that's a name

Zachary T

Seriously? (don't kick)

Dennis

Just to clarify: It's not that I mind the occasional pun, but as you probably saw yourself, these things can get out of control rather quickly. First and foremost, this chat room is supposed to be the go-to place for discussions regarding the main site, and it doesn't serve its purpose if your message will be drowned in literally hundreds of puns.

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PythonMaster

20:07

Here is the list of the worst coding language names presented by the Nineteenth Byte:

J843136028

@ConorO'Brien It's better than some people's languages' names.

wizzwizz4

@ZacharyT @@kic. One letter away.

Conor O'Brien

@J843136028 \o/

PythonMaster

Wait, Seriously is a programming name?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yeah

made by mego

PythonMaster

20:08

Wow

Zachary T

I'm sorry that you people name programming languages after ENGLISH WORDS!

wizzwizz4

@J843136028 You're back! :-)

It's been a long time.

J843136028

@wizzwizz4 Yep. Only a few miles.

trichoplax

In case you were wondering, all possible puns of Mego's programming language names have already been made, so you don't have to.

wizzwizz4

@J843136028 ?

Dennis

20:09

The worst language name is obviously You are Reading the Name of this Esolang, which is pronounced You are Hearing the Name of this Esolang.

PythonMaster

Except the impossible ones?

Conor O'Brien

A punny room

yeah yeah yeah "punny" is overdone but whatever

wizzwizz4

That's a very short time with a conversion factor of c (i.e. lightyear -> year).

PythonMaster

You know, after this chat session, everyone is going to be on high alert for any programming languages hidden in sentences

J843136028

@trichoplax Could you make a brute force program to list them? That should become a codegolf challenge.

PythonMaster

20:11

Like the word seriously except with the S capitalized

or Squirrel, which is also an official language

trichoplax

@J843136028 Rather that than have them listed in chat :)

Zachary T

Squirrel's a meme by now, right>

trichoplax

@PythonMaster This ship sailed long ago

PythonMaster

Glass, Chicken, Whitespace, ///, and ~English are all official languages

tutorialzine.com/2013/12/the-10-weirdest-programming-languages

Dennis

This isn't news. All of them have been used on PPCG.

FlipTack

20:14

esolangs.org/wiki/Joke_language_list <- nice list for you to read

PythonMaster

Wow

FlipTack

or the giant full list

PythonMaster

@Dennis What about Omgrofl

listverse.com/2011/02/17/…

Dennis

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A: Alphanumeric Hello World

OMGROFL I'm a big fan of esoteric languages. Luckily OMGROFL is alphanumeric: lol iz 72 rofl lol lol iz 101 rofl lol lol iz 108 rofl lol rofl lol lool iz 111 rofl lool loool iz 44 rofl loool loool iz 32 rofl loool loool iz 87 rofl loool rofl lool lool iz 114 rofl lool rofl lol lol iz 100 rofl l...

FlipTack

@PythonMaster what do you mean by "offcial language"? Anyone can write an interpreter and call it a language, what makes it official?

PythonMaster

20:16

Maybe a better word choice is recognized

Like it is actually known to the world and not made up to be used by one person

wizzwizz4

@Dennis Did that get a spam flag?

PythonMaster

@Dennis Touche

Gabriel Benamy

wait why did i get moved to trash

PythonMaster

@Dennis What about BestFriends.js

esolangs.org/wiki/BestFriends.js

Zachary T

Grammar would probably explain it all.

trichoplax

20:17

@GabrielBenamy A huge number of POQQs (puns of questionable quality) got moved

Dennis

@wizzwizz4 Um, not sure. I didn't see one.

Zachary T

^ And that as well ^

wizzwizz4

@trichoplax The new flag type didn't show up properly in my chat session because I had caching on.

PythonMaster

You know I'm wondering why am I trying to see if Dennis can find a post using some completely random language like Calculator

wizzwizz4

@Dennis You can check (semi-transparent pane on left of message), but you've probably got better things to do.

Dennis

20:18

@PythonMaster The main site has a search, you know. ;) And the answer is yes, of course.

108

A: When was this language released?

A Brief History of 2D Programming Languages: 16 years v19977/2{@{{4{\_______>/02&&&#???? * P+++++1P1P-1P+1E * * \'\02'oo100@n590@n; * * * >"8991",,,;5-;,@ * ...

trichoplax

@wizzwizz4 Did you intend to reply to me? If so I'm missing some context somewhere

PythonMaster

What?!

Gabriel Benamy

@trichoplax weird, the first messages of mine that got moved were me complaining about how I accidentally destroyed my production server for a few minutes by globally changing a session variable on one page in an if condition, so I didn't realize what was going on at first

PythonMaster

Bet you can't find Deadfish

wizzwizz4

@trichoplax The POQQ flag type. Did you see the flags, or had Dennis cleared them before they appeared?

PythonMaster

20:20

or evil

Dennis

@wizzwizz4 Oh, you mean the actual post? I thought you meant my chat message. No, that post has no flags.

PythonMaster

esolangs.org/wiki/Evil

Gabriel Benamy

Truth machine in COW: oomMOOOOMmoo

it has the benefit of being a palindrome

trichoplax

@wizzwizz4 Um. I just made up POQQ. Dennis just moved the block of puns when they reached critical mass

I didn't see any flags

PythonMaster

esolangs.org/wiki/Formula

esolangs.org/wiki/Folder

and esolangs.org/wiki/Folders

trichoplax

20:21

@wizzwizz4 Things haven't yet got quite so bad that we have a flag specifically for puns :)

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PythonMaster

Impossible, we have a chatroom just for puns!

Gabriel Benamy

oh wait

PythonMaster

esolangs.org/wiki/Grocery_List

Gabriel Benamy

it doesn't print 0

PythonMaster

Yes, the above link is for Grocery List

wizzwizz4

20:23

@trichoplax Sssssssssssssh! Now you've told everyone. :'-(

Dennis

@PythonMaster I get that this is new to you and that you're excited, but none of this is news to us. Please stop listing every language you find on Esolangs. We know pretty much all of them. Including Folders and Grocery List.

PythonMaster

@Dennis Okay

It is quite interesting how this site has a such a variety of weird languages though

And maybe my inner child is acting up again...

trichoplax

The clue is in the name - esolangs is short for "esoteric languages"

PythonMaster

Oh

FlipTack

and if you're talking about PPCG, it's codegolf, you don't need a "real" programming language to compete

just an interpreter, even if it was thrown together in minutes, will do

PythonMaster

20:25

Anyways, I'll be in the Punny room if anyone wants to see me

Dennis

@PythonMaster Oh, it's absolutely fascinating. If you want to see them in action, check out Hello, World! or The Programming Language Quiz.

Zachary T

Some are "legit esolangs, " like: Brainf***, Befunge, and Malbolge. Others, like Folders, are actually pointless.

wizzwizz4

@ZacharyT Folders isn't pointless! I have a file-system glitch that occasionally replaces open files with a large block of null bytes; Folders programs would be safe from this.

TuxCopter

Anyone wants to play with bots?

Zachary T

NO. JUST NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO CHATBOTS.

TuxCopter

20:29

But I enhanced the algorithm ;_;

Conor O'Brien

not in this room.

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VITRIFICATION ORDER (1947) CONDEMNED DO NOT ENTER

TuxCopter

Ik, in beep boop maggot

PythonMaster

We just suffered the wrath of puns

TuxCopter

ouch

wizzwizz4

@PythonMaster A room was created, which was then thrown away.

Nonny Moose

20:31

@Dennis I'm just learning Jelly :) and I was wondering, how do you type it w/o using a character map?

TuxCopter

@NonnyMoose You don't

PythonMaster

I'm still in it

FlipTack

aren't they all typable on a US keyboard?

Zachary T

Certain US keyboards.

FlipTack

I remember seeing that somewhere. But I don't have a US keyboard .-.

Zachary T

20:31

Copy from the wiki.

Nonny Moose

@FlipTack Not the special characters. That's what I was wondering about.

Dennis

@NonnyMoose That depends. On Linux, I can type all of them with the US international with AltGr dead keys layout.

Zachary T

Um. Yeah, what about the superscripts?

Dennis

AltGr + 6, then the number.

Zachary T

THANK YOU ⁴ THIS!

Dennis

20:33

:)

Zachary T

Speaking of Jelly, are you ever going to use the one byte nilads?!?!?!

PythonMaster

Looks like we reached the end of mass hysteria here... the puns and random languages are gone and the chatroom seems normal

Gabriel Benamy

customer: "my users can't log in"
me: "what password did you give them?"
customer: [tells me password]
me: [copies their username into the username box and types in the password he told me]
me: "I can log in just fine..."

Dennis

@ZacharyT No, those were a mistake. I'm currently very busy with TIO, but once that stops I plan to reboot Jelly.

PythonMaster

Whoa

Nonny Moose

20:36

@PythonMaster You're welcome. ;)

PythonMaster

For?

Zachary T

Correction, all but 3 of them were a mistake.

Nonny Moose

@PythonMaster I interrupted the hysteria. ;)

Dennis

@ZacharyT Those still don't deserve to be a single byte. I haven't used them more than a couple of times.

PythonMaster

Not quite... I still think Dennis' last message is a pun! No!!!!!

Dennis

20:40

Jelly was my first attempt at writing a golfing language. While it's pretty golfy overall, there's room for a lot of improvements.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

> pretty golfy overall

> room for... improvement...

wat

Zachary T

Yeah, but implementing it would be hard if you went hardcore into the golfing aspect.

FlipTack

Are you planning to make a new one?

Gabriel Benamy

@Dennis Jelly 2: Strawberry Boogaloo

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@ZacharyT have you seen the current jelly source?

Zachary T

20:42

Yeah.

Dennis

@FlipTack I am.

FlipTack

ooh... interesting

Zachary T

This is "room for improvement": kquƁƇƊƑƘⱮƝƤƬƲȤɓɗƒɦƙɱɲƥʠɼʂƭʋȥẸẈẒĿṘẎŻẹḥḳṃṇọụṿẉỵẓḋėġŀṅẏ

Nonny Moose

@Dennis I cant get all the superscripts to work

And my apostrophe seems to be broken now

I cant make contractions

:(

Zachary T

A⁴⁵⁶⁷⁸⁹⁰. Try typing ALT+6 and then the number for the superscripts.

Nonny Moose

20:47

Alt+6 is ¼

@ZacharyT

Zachary T

Try ALT+SHIFT+6 then.

Nonny Moose

Alt+shift+6 is ^.

Zachary T

What OS you using?

Nonny Moose

Because shift+6 lets you do this: â

Ubuntu 16.04

Zachary T

Type Alt+6 then 4.

Nonny Moose

20:49

¼4

¼¤

Ack

trichoplax

New challenge type: score is length of answer source code + compiler/interpreter source code in bytes

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

define a standard interpreter?

and does it chain? i.e. if before you post the challenge, I implement jelly in jelly

trichoplax

write your own...

Good point - it would have to be written before the challenge

Nonny Moose

@ZacharyT This is my problem

Gabriel Benamy

while I understand that the MVC system of development is very useful

Nonny Moose

20:54

But I did figure out how to type apostrophes: '

Gabriel Benamy

it makes finding any page that I'm looking for incredibly difficult because of how many v_manage pages there are

Zachary T

SHIFT 6! THE RED KEYS ARE DEAD KEYS!!!!!!!

And that explains why your quotes don't work. Dang, that's weird.

Did that help?

Nonny Moose

@ZacharyT Yes, with the quotes. :)

Zachary T

Does anyone know of a language designed to be golfy in both the interpreter and the language? Like, the interpreter and the programs are golfed?

Nonny Moose

I still can't type the superscripts.

Zachary T

21:00

:(. Then just continue to ^C ^V from the wiki for those atoms.

Conor O'Brien

@Dennis say, can newer languages be an answer for the programming language quiz?

Nonny Moose

@ZacharyT Dang it...

At least I have ¹²³

Zachary T

Can you type those hook-nilads?

betseg

21:20

there was a site that said if your isp uses their own dns server or lets you use a different one

what was it

Dennis

21:54

@NonnyMoose It has to be the Right Alt.

@ConorO'Brien I'm not sure Martin's the authority on that one.

Conor O'Brien

@Dennis oh, right

@MartinEnder would it be okay if I answered the programming language quiz with a newer language, since the challenge already has been won?

Dennis

@NonnyMoose That's a slightly different layout then. To get the dead caret, you need to press AltGr (the right Alt key) + Shift + 6.

mınxomaτ

Hey, we want you to do this 50 LOC software project! - Sure, what is it? - Here's a proprietary hash algorithm that is part of a bigger crypto project with source code you can't look at. Oh and also: The code doesn't have a singular comment. Should be easy.

P.S.: It's a mix of Java, JavaScript and non-POSIX C full of custom memory logic. For concurrency we use a mix of OpenCL and pthreads.

It takes a lot to truly piss me off, but this customer ....

Geobits

How do you get a 50 LOC project with Java, JS and C? That sounds terrible.

Or do you mean the bigger project?

mınxomaτ

Oh you know, the 50 LOCs require thousands of LOCs of JS/Java etc. to actually run.

It also uses base-3 math for everything.

Geobits

22:03

Well at least it's got that going for it.

>_>

mınxomaτ

If you every wondered how the code looks that runs these high security battery-backed crypto things (like hardware-encrypted HDDs), this is it.

Don't buy into this. Just use Luks and you'll be fine.

Still, biometric hardware manages to have even worse software.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@HelkaHomba looking at that dennis number challenge you made, how in the world do you think this stuff up???

Geobits

The bacon hats are rolling in o_O

Seems like every time I go back to the main page I have another one.

Nonny Moose

@Dennis I need a dead caret to type superscript? That makes so much more sense! For me, a dead caret is simply shift+6!

Dennis

Right, without the AltGr. I used to use that layout, but seems like I forgot how it works...

Dead caret for superscripts is Shift + 6 then, dead dot below AltGr + Shift + hyphenminus, dead dot above Altgr + dot, and dead hook AltGr + Shift + forward slash.

Iirc, that is.

Luis Mendo

22:17

@StewieGriffin the tacky Christmas lights at my in laws' house. Picture or it didn't happen!

Dennis

Yes, please.

Also, my eyes.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

^

Luis Mendo

Not sure about the actual lights, but the colors are definitely tacky

Anonymous

2 hours ago, by trichoplax

In case you were wondering, all possible puns of Mego's programming language names have already been made, so you don't have to.

Anonymous

It's so true

Luis Mendo

22:27

@Mego I'm pretty sure we can come up with different ones :-P

Dennis

Until you release version 3, that is.

Anonymous

Version 3 won't happen until I stop being lazy and re-write my code so that it's more easily extendable

Anonymous

I don't want to make a version 4, so version 3 will have to be the major cleanup version

Luis Mendo

Then it must be called Finally

Anonymous

@Sherlock9 Hooray for getting Factorio!

LegionMammal978

22:32

@Mego What about it? I have a few hours on the game

Pavel

22:47

What are these puns of which I have never heard?

Geobits

There aren't actually any good ones, so I wouldn't take it too seriously.

Anonymous

@LegionMammal978 It's a really fun game, and he was finally able to get it

Pavel

I don't even know what languages Mego made.

TuxCopter

@Pavel Seriously, he mades Actually

Pavel

Oh, hah.

What about Woefully?

TuxCopter

22:50

@Pavel Woefully is made by DestructibleWatermelon

Geobits

Ok now, be nice. Mego's brain is plenty weird.

(that's meant as a compliment, btw)

Pavel

Now,I don't actually have a clue how those work. I'm fine with my python and my Java, thanks.

TuxCopter

Yes but not weird enough to think of Woefully

Anonymous

@Geobits :P

Anonymous

I felt like I missed half of the conversation because I have people ignored. I looked at the transcript and saw that I didn't miss anything.

Pavel

22:53

What's weird about woefully?

Helka Homba

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Magic

H Walters

@Mego Ignore filters are too much work... do like me; just ignore half of what you see

LegionMammal978

@Mego Do you have it?

Anonymous

@LegionMammal978 Yep

Anonymous

Maybe I should start a PPCG Factorio server

LegionMammal978

22:57

@Mego Was just about to ask you if you played much MP

^^ This.

Luis Mendo

@HelkaHomba I knew it :-P

Geobits

@HWalters Inr itr r o uhwr..d iem;js goehl fwa o e

Am I doing it right?

A punny room

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