The Nineteenth Byte

8:00 PM

too trivial

imo anyway

@GabrielBenamy You mean like calling Jelly from Bash? Sure, that's fine. Invoking Jelly on TIO is currently a bit expensive though. I should create a separate .../bin folder for interpreters.

Gabriel Benamy

Yeah, that's what I mean

Yodle

@Flp.Tkc Well, I was going to throw a slight twist in it, where you have to append the length of the input string to the string and count that appendage as part of the length (ie. if the input was "aaaaaaaaa", it's length is 9, but "aaaaaaaaa9" is length 10, so the actual output would have to be "aaaaaaaaa11")

Gabriel Benamy

@Yodle what about aaaaaaaa? It has two valid answers now -- aaaaaaaa9 and aaaaaaaa10

betseg

@Yodle Woah

TimmyD

8:03 PM

For clarification, I'm pretty sure I was AdmBorkBork before Tux joined here.

Yodle

@GabrielBenamy Hm, I would say use the smaller number if there are duplicate answers like that case.

Gabriel Benamy

@Yodle All inputs of size 10^n - 2 will have two answers

Poke

@Yodle any ideas on how to further golf the skittle one

i updated my answer a bit

Yodle

@Poke I havent been able to figure anything out, haven't looked at the recent changes either

mınxomaτ

Rofl, GitHub is down.

Ironically the exact time I released a free hosting project for status pages.

xnor

8:15 PM

@ais523 Do I understand right that your pangram-finding challenge is equivalent to weighted minimum set cover?

and since that's NP-complete, any answer must exploit either the finite alphabet or the length bound?

ais523

it's definitely a variant of minimum cover

finite alphabet is what I was expecting people to exploit

I made sure there was at least one obviously polytime algorithm before submitting

xnor

that seems somewhat unsatisfying, as I'd expect algorithms to be exponential in the 26 parameter

ais523

worst-case, yes, I think that's unavoidable though

xnor

ok, as long as you're expecting untestable programs

ais523

right, I was simply trying to disallow the obvious brute-force algorithm because I thought it would be uninteresting to compete with

rather than to get a program that actually runs quickly

TimmyD

8:20 PM

Dang, don't think I'll be able to squeeze in PowerShell on the answer-chaining.

It would be really easy to do, too, just need to somehow get a number on the pipeline. But parse errors stop execution :-/

ais523

most of the #-as-comment languages should still work, although Python 2 makes it hard to use semicolons. which is an annoying obstacle

betseg

Lol

TimmyD

The easiest way to polyglot PowerShell is use the multiline comment <# ... #>, but that breaks a bunch of 2D languages.

ais523

Python 3's tolerance of semicolons is a huge gift to polyglots

betseg

Then, I added Python 2

@TimmyD TIL

ais523

8:25 PM

@Dennis: now I'm wondering if being a duplicate is transitive

my post is talking about a different (although related) problem to the post linked at the start; the post you mentioned was marked as a duplicate of the post I linked; so can my post be a duplicate of the one you mentioned?

Gabriel Benamy

@ais523 if a is a duplicate of b and b is a duplicate of c, can a and c still be sufficiently different?

ais523

@GabrielBenamy that's pretty much what I asked!

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

in Mos Eisley, 17 secs ago, by Wad Cheber

I'd love a goat president.

@Downgoat found your next job

xnor

i'd say it's transitive by the hybrid argument

Gabriel Benamy

time to write a binary-to-decimal converter in COW

Dennis

8:31 PM

@ais523 I've just stated the facts. If I thought your question was a duplicate, I would have closed it.

ais523

fair enough, I was just curious about the metaproblem

now I'm trying to figure out how to find a computer with a working RS-232 port so that I can test porting 7 to that, so I can happily never use the feature, safe in the knowledge it exists

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

lol @betseg, invading other rooms isn't nice ;p

xnor

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Q: Should we be flagging so many questions as duplicates?

I have seen a lot of questions flagged as duplicated and so blocked recently, some from established members and some from new members. In several cases these have not been exact duplicates but have had some (sometimes small) difference that does not make them a direct duplicate. While I am tota...

(duplicate)

betseg

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ what, is it a crime to increment user count in a room? :p

TimmyD

> sadly this site is no longer "Programming Puzzles & Code Golf" but just simply "Code Golf" (link)

:-/

Gabriel Benamy

8:35 PM

it occurs to me that it will be incredibly difficult to run a bin-2-dec converter in COW for any inputs larger, than, say, 1000000

Geobits

> Remember the good old days when opening a simple document or web page was painfully slow as it hogged all the meager resources your computer had? And today, doing the same is even slower, despite your processor being hundreds of times faster and having access to thousands of times more memory?

Uh, no it isn't. I remember those days, and things are much faster now >_>

ais523

that (= the quote) is not true

I've tried to open Wikipedia on SunOS

it took ages

and I accidentally blanked Talk:Main Page somehow trying to edit it

mınxomaτ

@Geobits Actually, it is.

Software gets slower faster than PCs get faster.

That applies everywhere, not only to web development.

TimmyD

@Geobits For giggles, I booted up a ~2005 WinXP machine I still had in the closet. It took a solid 5 minutes before I had a usable desktop. Compared to ~2 seconds on my new laptop.

Anonymous

There was a sweet spot in the 00s when DSL was becoming widespread, and internet ads hadn't taken over everything and slowed everything to a crawl

ais523

8:38 PM

web pages are only slower nowadays because the web pages themselves are bloatier

the browsers are much faster than they used to be

Geobits

@mınxomaτ Specifically speaking of web pages, it's not true at all. Any web page with any images at all used to take forever to load. So long that the images would come in rows, and blurry.

Yes, web pages today are bloatier, but they're still faster than they used to be.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@betseg :p

mınxomaτ

@Geobits That's still true for images today, because most people don't even have a 6M DSL line.

Poke

@mınxomaτ wut? images no longer affect pageload times, bub

mınxomaτ

And sites from the era I'm talking about (like this: frigger.de) load instantly today and did so years ago (talking about 2k/XP)

@Poke You missed the point entirely

Poke

8:41 PM

ok

mınxomaτ

> So long that the images would come in rows, and blurry.

Still very much true on slow connections.

Poke

and block the rest of the page

Geobits

Images come in on 2G phones now faster than they did on home PCs 20-25 years ago.

Poke

The internet got bigger tubes

mınxomaτ

@Poke That depends on how the page loads images.

Poke

8:42 PM

so we can have more cat pictures

@mınxomaτ The page doesn't load images... The browser does

betseg

Good night

Poke

night

mınxomaτ

@Poke Sure it does. It can load images async, where it is the code from the page that requests the image.

I still see images roll in from top to bottom, slowly, when I visit my parents. Their maximum available internet speeds also didn't change for many years :)

Poke

your browser is still interpreting that javascript

Geobits

@Poke That's kinda like saying it's not my code that executes a function, it's the processor.

mınxomaτ

8:45 PM

Yes, but these requests don't block the page, as they used to in a less async era.

Poke

When you type in a url your browser fetches the HTML markup and begins rendering while it makes any calls needed for additional resources (images, scripts, etc)

that's my point

back in the day the browser rendered things differently

mınxomaτ

That's what I just said.

Poke

5 mins ago, by Poke

@mınxomaτ wut? images no longer affect pageload times, bub

The page finishes loading

and images render as they finish being downloaded

it's no longer a blocker

that was my point

mınxomaτ

Load times are measured with all resources fetched.

Poke

what

developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Events/DOMContentLoaded

> The DOMContentLoaded event is fired when the initial HTML document has been completely loaded and parsed, without waiting for stylesheets, images, and subframes to finish loading

mınxomaτ

8:48 PM

Yep. Just open your dev tools in "Network" and take a look at the load time.

Poke

you can actually see the basic structure of the page at this point

mınxomaτ

DOM != Page

Poke

it still renders

nevermind

Anonymous

@Poke You are completely failing to grasp what he is saying

Poke

i don't care

mınxomaτ

8:48 PM

It literally says that DOM and Page times are two different things.

Anonymous

He is saying that he is using the metric of timing the page from when the request is sent to when all resources have loaded

mınxomaτ

The page load time always includes all resources.

Poke

Except that's not how web development works

Anonymous

Not what you are saying, which is from when the request is sent to when the page is rendered and able to be interacted with (which is much harder to time)

Gabriel Benamy

I can't believe we're arguing about this.

Anonymous

8:50 PM

@Poke I'd wager the guy who has been in the industry for a while knows what he's talking about

Poke

in web development you care about domcontentloaded just as much as page load times

it's a way better ux to get something loaded as fast as possible

then async in the slower bits

facebook even does it

mınxomaτ

@Poke Sure, that's true. Still the term page load time (as you can see in the screenshot of the developer console is all resources). I even said that DOM loading used to be different:

6 mins ago, by mınxomaτ

Yes, but these requests don't block the page, as they used to in a less async era.

At this point it looks like you are just reading what you want.

I even made a nice pink arrow :(

New Main Posts

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Q: Nostalgic prime number generator

Remember the good old days when opening a simple document or web page was painfully slow as it hogged all the meager resources your computer had? And today, doing the same is even slower, despite your processor being hundreds of times faster and having access to thousands of times more memory? T...

code-golf primes

Gabriel Benamy

me: downvotes the challenge in question because it's tearing apart our family

Poke

@mınxomaτ This was the original point I made where you said I missed the point entirely. It's possible I used incorrect vernacular between domload and pageload

mınxomaτ

9:00 PM

I like the question. Still unclear though.

Poke

@GabrielBenamy There have been sillier arguments

TimmyD

There's a relatively easy way to do it in PowerShell -- (Get-WmiObject Win32_Processor).MaxClockSpeed ... just sleep for that many milliseconds

Presto - faster computers are slower to execute

Yodle

Hey, can anyone take a look at this answer I posted awhile ago: codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/92810/59170

Is it invalid? My friend thinks I did something wrong with how I'm escaping backslash

Geobits

@TimmyD Hmm. I'd argue that a single core 1.0GHz should qualify as "slower" than a quad core with the same clock speed. I assume there's a way to get the number of cores also, but then you get into trying to find a balance between cores and clock, etc...

ais523

s=\"x5Cx5C\x5C\x5C\" looks very suspicious to me, but I don't really know C#

trichoplax

9:13 PM

Probably better to close the challenge as not objectively specified

ais523

I guess you need to make sure that x, 5, C, and `\` are all balanced

Geobits

@trichoplax Either that or come up with an arbitrary "fastness" formula, taking into account clock speed, number of cores, memory speed and capacity, FSB speed, ...

ais523

(also SE Chat sucks at mixing backslashes and backticks)

TimmyD

@Geobits So do a sleep for MaxClockSpeed * NumberOfLogicalProcessors + L3CacheSize ... yeah, you're right, this is getting unwieldy.

Yodle

@ais523 Yeah that's what I was trying to do, the resulting string is

using System;class a{static void Main(){var s="x5Cx5C\\";Random d=new Random();for(int i=0;i++<268;)Console.Write(s[d.Next(0,134)]);}}

ais523

9:15 PM

why not just run an infinite counting loop, interrupt it after 1 second

TimmyD

@ais523 Type it on its own line with 4 preceeding spaces

ais523

then sleep for the number of iterations it reached

trichoplax

Sure - as long as it's specified that would work. I just refreshed the page and realised it's closed already...

ais523

@TimmyD doesn't help for code blocks mid-sentence, there'd be way too much vertical space

TimmyD

Yeah. But that's the best workaround :-/

Geobits

9:19 PM

Uh, did anyone else's HNQ sidebar suddenly fill with nothing but 3D site icons?

Poke

yes

Adnan

@Geobits yep

Geobits

Huh, not just there, but everywhere the little icons are used :/

Flp.Tkc

HNQ?

ais523

hot network questions

trichoplax

9:20 PM

I'm getting questions from all sites, but the icons all show just the top left corner of the 3D icon

mbomb007

Geobits

8

Q: All Stack Exchange site logos are showing up as the 3D Printing one REDUX

All Stack Exchange site logos are showing up as the 3D Printing one This bug just started showing up for me again; I noticed it on both computer and phone.

ninja'd

I get that too...

Oh - I get the full icon if I'm not zoomed in

Flp.Tkc

9:21 PM

3D printers taking over the world...

mbomb007

It's probably the first site if you sort them alphabetically.

ais523

I'm disappointed in the HNQ sidebar

I was hoping it'd be showing the icons for the actual sites, but in three dimensions

New Meta Posts

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Q: How to count bytes in 7 (and other languages that use fractional numbers of bytes)

(See also this question, which is similar, but talks about the situation where the language is normally stored on disk with one command per byte.) This question originally came up in connection with 7, but might be relevant to other languages. In 7, each command is only three bits long (it only...

discussion code-golf answers scoring

Geobits

@NewMetaPosts Way to be slow, you crazy bot.

Anonymous

@NewMetaPosts Wow you suck, one hour late

TimmyD

9:24 PM

Funny anecdote -- We adopted a Persian cat (they have a very stubby snout, and ours even more so, almost to the point that the nose is indented into the face) and for several months, that was the only cat I saw. Then I went to a friend's house, where they have a generic tabby and my first reaction upon seeing it was "Whoa, you're in 3D!"

mbomb007

@NewMetaPosts ~~New~~ Meta Posts

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TimmyD

4

A: All Stack Exchange site logos are showing up as the 3D Printing one REDUX

I actually managed to screw this up in a new and exciting way as we moved favicon generation around. Due to caching on dev, we missed it. It was a grep for favicon.less, but turns out our base .less includes it via: @import "favicons/favicons", which didn't show up in my grep of "places to fix". ...

That's an awesome snafu.

SE is blaming caching.

Anonymous

> I actually managed to screw this up in a new and exciting way

Anonymous

Best thing to hear from a dev

Poke

and that's why find and replace is bad

TimmyD

9:28 PM

@Mego Just like hearing a "Whoops!" come floating over the cubicles ...

ais523

the person who posted the original question has repcapped for the day on Meta already

FGITW times a million

wait, no

only halfway there, question upvote is 5

Anonymous

@TimmyD Or the furious pounding of a phone number pad from the office next door

mbomb007

Anyone know where the meme for "is caching to blame" is?

Nvm

shouldiblamecaching.com

Luis Mendo

Would some explain to a poor non-native what's the fun or the point of this? I only feel I wasted a few minutes reading what appears to be a story with no end

Anonymous

shouldiblamecaching.com

Flp.Tkc

9:29 PM

shouldiblamecaching.com

damn ninja'd

Anonymous

@Flp.Tkc blame caching

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Anonymous

@LuisMendo Feghoots are long stories that end with an unexpected pun

Luis Mendo

Hm. So that was it. And the pun is...?

Anonymous

@LuisMendo "no punchline"

mbomb007

This looks nice!

winterbash2016.stackexchange.com

Gabriel Benamy

9:31 PM

@LuisMendo A "punchline" is typically the ending to a joke. In the context of that story, it also refers to a line for the punch (a drink). Thus the pun was a play on words.

Zizouz212

@mbomb007 They better have a Wobbuffet hat for Winterbash 2016!

Anonymous

The punchline is that there is no punchline. Confusing yet?

Zizouz212

I would do anything for that hat!

Luis Mendo

@GabrielBenamy Oh, thanks. I had no idea of the punch - drink equivalence

Anonymous

Really?

Zizouz212

9:32 PM

Really?

Anonymous

Someone flagged that?

Gabriel Benamy

Well, it's a kind of drink, like fruit punch.

Zizouz212

That flag was invalid due to caching.

mbomb007

That moment when you view the source, and the entire thing is basically one giant SVG.

Anonymous

I'm taking your flags. You don't get them back.

mbomb007

9:32 PM

@Mego capture-the-flag

Catija

OK, three people post the same link and only one of them gets flagged?

Anonymous

You clearly aren't responsible enough to use them properly.

Zizouz212

@Catija We should all blame caching :P

Anonymous

@Catija People use flags incorrectly. News at 10.

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TimmyD

News at 10? You must still be in Daylight Saving Time.

Luis Mendo

9:33 PM

Still, I wish I could apply a "negative-star" (black-hole?) to that "funny" story

Geobits

@LuisMendo downstar

mbomb007

@LuisMendo Neutron star?

Dark matter?

Zizouz212

What's it called? It should be quirked!

Luis Mendo

@mbomb007 Nah, those do shine

Zizouz212

Quarked!

If that's a word

Fabby

9:34 PM

@Zizouz212 Just came into the room to be able to star that! (some people get offended by a leaf blowing in the wind)

Anonymous

@LuisMendo You might like this one better.

Gabriel Benamy

fun science fact: black holes don't exist. black holes take an infinite amount of time to form, and a finite amount of time to dissipate, so they dissipate before the black hole ever forms.

Zizouz212

lol that makes my day! I've been having a really crummy day :/

mbomb007

@Fabby Go blow your leaves somewhere else. :P

Anonymous

@Fabby Yep, and they stab it right through the heart

Luis Mendo

9:35 PM

@GabrielBenamy Do they take an infinite time to form? How's that? Stars can collapse into blackholes, can't they?

Anonymous

@GabrielBenamy That is factually incorrect

Fabby

@Zizouz212 Had a crummy day yesterday... Tomorrow is going to be better and it started 3 min ago!)

Gabriel Benamy

@LuisMendo Due to relativity, as you get closer and closer to the event horizon, time slows down for the rest of the universe. The act of crossing a black hole takes an infinite amount of time.

Anonymous

Black holes take a finite amount of time to form. That's verified by the fact that we have actually detected them.

Luis Mendo

@Mego I'm not sure I want to read such long text :-)

mbomb007

9:35 PM

@GabrielBenamy How can they dissipate if they haven't formed yet? That must be one of those science "facts" (more of a guess than a fact)

TimmyD

I think it's a stretching of the theory of general relativity.

Luis Mendo

@GabrielBenamy Ah, but you crossing and they forming are very different things!

Anonymous

@GabrielBenamy The act of crossing the event horizon takes an infinite amount of time for a distant observer. It happens in finite time for the unfortunate soul who is falling in.

Zizouz212

@Fabby I'm guessing your somewhere in Europe? (I'm from Toronto btw)

Gabriel Benamy

@Mego But before that happens, the black hole will have dissipated due to hawking radiation.

Luis Mendo

9:36 PM

Please capitalize the poor guy :-D

Flp.Tkc

@Zizouz212 would have to be very eastern europe xD

Anonymous

@GabrielBenamy Sure, because the distant observer never sees the falling person cross the horizon. But black holes do form in a finite amount of time.

Zizouz212

Isn't Europe 6 hours away? Oh wait, it's 4:30 here -_-

Gabriel Benamy

@Mego In any time frame, a black hole will dissipate due to hawking radiation before an object falls inside the event horizon.

mbomb007

@Zizouz212 EST is GMT-5

TimmyD

9:38 PM

UTC 21:38 right now

Fabby

@Zizouz212 Yup. Currently in Germany...

TimmyD

So go a couple timezones east, and you're in tomorrow.

Anonymous

@GabrielBenamy Once again, incorrect. In the reference frame of the object falling into the black hole, it takes finite time to fall in.

Zizouz212

@mbomb007 Considering that I'm Norwegian, and think in Norwegian ways, Europe is UTC+1 for me

Flp.Tkc

Belarus is GMT+3 and in Europe (I think...)

but GMT+3 is more in the area of Iraq

Luis Mendo

9:39 PM

@Mego Speaking of jokes and time dilation...

devernay.free.fr/paradoxlost/html/the_end.html

TimmyD

We had a challenge about this ...

Gabriel Benamy

@Mego But it will also take a finite time for it to dissipate due to HR.

Anonymous

A distant observer will never see the black hole form thanks to massively-redshifted light, it does in fact form in finite time.

trichoplax

@LuisMendo The joke is at the reader's expense. Instead of a long build up in order to amuse the reader, there is a long drawn out story to amuse the person who sent the reader the time-wasting link. I suppose you could see it as the prose equivalent of rickrolling. It's something you can send to someone you wish to irritate.

mbomb007

Could you guys please use terms that a time baby could understand?

Gabriel Benamy

9:39 PM

Anything that happens in finite time happens sooner than something that happens after infinite time.

TimmyD

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Q: World Time Conversion

World Time Conversion Challenge: Given an initial clock time in UTC and a list of countries: for each country in the list, output the local time it is in that country based on the initial time. In cases where a country is big enough to have multiple local time zones (like the United States), y...

code-golf date conversion

Luis Mendo

@trichoplax Exactly. I found that irritating

Anonymous

@GabrielBenamy Sure, but the rate of Hawking radiation is inversely proportional to the size of the black hole. It's not difficult to construct a scenario where it takes less time for an object to reach the singularity (in its reference frame) than it does for the black hole to dissipate via Hawking radiation.

Zizouz212

@mbomb007 You need to walk into a tardis

Flp.Tkc

Interesting that Kosovo is on that list

Zizouz212

9:40 PM

Being a time lord could be helpful

Gabriel Benamy

Are you sure about that?

Anonymous

@GabrielBenamy 100%.

trichoplax

@LuisMendo I read the whole story in order to be able to explain it to you. I also found it irritating... Think twice before reading anything else from whoever linked you to that...

Luis Mendo

@trichoplax It had quite a few stars here :-(

Also, thanks for reading it just for me!

Sorry that you also wasted time

trichoplax

@LuisMendo Well, I was also curious...

mbomb007

9:42 PM

@TimmyD status-completed

Gabriel Benamy

I disagree. Let's say in my reference frame that, after 10 trillion years, a black hole dissipates, but an object has yet to fall in it. Does that mean that the object is returned to its pre-event horizon state?

Remember, in my reference frame, it takes an infinite amount of time for an object to fall into it, but a finite amount of time to dissipate. That means that when it dissipates in my reference frame, the object has yet to fall in.

Luis Mendo

It's much worse than rick-rolling. With RR you only waste a few seconds

trichoplax

Indeed. Rickrolling is for amateurs

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Anonymous

@GabrielBenamy That's something that isn't answerable with our current understanding of physics.

Gabriel Benamy

It's explainable if black holes aren't really black holes, just very dense objects that have yet to dissipate.

Flp.Tkc

9:45 PM

@LuisMendo Watching "Never Gonna Give You Up" is not a waste of time

Anonymous

We need a quantum theory of gravity to really understand stuff like what happens inside of a black hole and what happens when a black hole dissipates. We can't observe either - the first because a distant observer never sees the object pass the event horizon, and the second because the only interesting black holes will either take way too long to dissipate via HR, or are gaining mass too quickly and HR can't keep up, so they will theoretically last forever.

TimmyD

@Flp.Tkc I wouldn't think so. They have 100-some UN members recognizing them as a country, even if Serbia doesn't.

Gabriel Benamy

It depends on how we define what a "black hole" is. Is it an object in space that is supermassive and massively redshifts light to the point where we basically can't detect anything at all, or is it something that has a surface escape velocity of > c?

Anonymous

@GabrielBenamy The second one. That definition isn't up for debate.

Luis Mendo

@Flp.Tkc Well, that depends on whether that was your intention :-)

Anonymous

9:46 PM

@GabrielBenamy That's one of the possible explanations.

Gabriel Benamy

Then how have we confirmed that these objects fit that criterion?

Anonymous

@GabrielBenamy We can determine the radius of the event horizon, and we can measure the force of gravitational attraction, which gives us mass. We can then compute the density and see that it is high enough that the escape velocity inside of the event horizon is > c

Flp.Tkc

@TimmyD I'm Serbian, but on the fence about Kosovo. Their independence doesn't really affect me at all, I'm just interested to see how they are progressing

Anonymous

Also fun stuff like gravitational lensing around a large, dark region of space

Anonymous

By measuring the orbits of stars near the center of the Milky Way, astronomers were able to determine that there is 4.3 million solar masses' worth of mass in a volume with a radius of less than 0.002 lightyears - well over the limit for a black hole.

TimmyD

9:52 PM

@Flp.Tkc Well, significantly more countries recognize Kosovo as independent than Taiwan as independent. I'm guessing that has something to do with the relative economic might of the People's Republic of China versus the Republic of Serbia...

Adowrath

Wait, literally my first visit to the chat and I get into a physics discussion?

Luis Mendo

Hi, Adowrath!

Anonymous

@Adowrath Welcome aboard

Gabriel Benamy

That's my fault, I apologize

Anonymous

You're stuck here with us - no escaping!

Luis Mendo

9:53 PM

^^ No need to :-)

Adowrath

No problem, Physic's always interesting.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

^^^

TimmyD

@Mego TNB is the black hole of SE chat?

DJMcMayhem

Topics in this room tend to vary

Flp.Tkc

@TimmyD yeah, I'm pretty sure that soon Serbia will be the only country that doesn't recognize Kosovo, lots of people back home are quite stubborn about that, but I promise you that not all Serbians are evil :P

Adowrath

9:54 PM

I just browsed through the memes and 10+ referenced the chat in some way.

Luis Mendo

It's a nice place :-) Just don't trust starred messages

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Geobits

The main site is just a side attraction. Chat is where it's at.

Anonymous

@TimmyD Basically yeah

DJMcMayhem

@LuisMendo can I or can I not trust you? :P