The Nineteenth Byte

Mitch Schwartz

16:02

why would anyone care about what's true tho

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@MitchSchwartz Esp. not puppies.

trichoplax

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC I see. I guess that once you compile that C source, it no longer needs the Nim libraries, so the compiled executable is portable, but the intermediate C source needs the Nim libraries. That's good for me, but does that make it useless for your contest if submissions have to be as C source?

I wonder if there's any option to inline the Nim library calls so even the C source doesn't have that dependency

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

"Monder, Thad, Aswah, Tent"

@trichoplax It has to be c source

Okot, Undaur, Nleb, Oesr, Irhor, Valt, Ptar, Tigih

@trichoplax If you can hack the nim compiler to make portable c source, I'll give you a million cookies

trichoplax

16:21

I was thinking it might have an option - there are lots of choices when compiling

I'm definitely not ready to start editing the compiler - let me learn "Hello, World!" first :P

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@trichoplax If you can... you know...

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How ya doin

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@betseg insert turkey joke

Kritixi Lithos

@betseg I'm doing fine, how 'bout you?

TuxCopter

@betseg [faɪn]

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

16:28

I hate how my ISP returns ads instead of the proper "no DNS record" on invalid tlds, like when I type re.search into the bar

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@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC ;_;

@KritixiLithos I'm fine too thx

TuxCopter

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC At least your ISP don't insert ads on every site

BlueEyedBeast

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC change ISP?

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Use a proper DNS server like 8.8.8.8 (Google) or Level3?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@betseg Thanksgiving is when americans think about kicking turkey from NATO

mınxomaτ

16:31

@betseg You can't change the DNS with almost all major ISPs.

See: dnsleaktest.com/what-is-transparent-dns-proxy.html

TuxCopter

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC ಠ_ಠ

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@TuxCopter like bad search results from their own search engine that's a front-end to yahoo (well from Charter Communications; another corporation) with ads everywhere

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Does Google Fiber use 8.8.8.8?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Time Warner Cable Spectrum |>
...
© 2016 Charter Communications. All rights reserved.
Time Warner Cable is a trademark of Time Warner Inc. Used under license.

Charter operates it's own network

I'm on TWC

mınxomaτ

@betseg Yes: whatsmydns.net/dns/usa/google-fibre.html

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

16:35

I think I successfully opted-out

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@mınxomaτ only thing that I like about Turkey? :p

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Charter owns TWC. Why is that search thing (C) Charter and has to use a license???

mınxomaτ

@betseg What, the occasional internet censorship?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Nevermind.

TuxCopter

Bouygues Telecom use a DNS proxy ;_;

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

16:38

Time Warner, Inc. is completely unrelated:

Time Warner

Time Warner Inc. (TWI, at one former interval named AOL Time Warner, stylized as TimeWarner since 2003) is an American multinational media and entertainment conglomerate headquartered in the Time Warner Center in New York City. It is currently the world's third largest television networks and filmed TV and entertainment company in terms of revenue (after Comcast and The Walt Disney Company), and at one time was the world's largest media conglomerate. Time Warner was formed in 1990 through the merger of Time Inc. and Warner Communications. The current company consists largely of the assets of the...

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@mınxomaτ I can DNS through all censorships

3

mınxomaτ

@betseg You can't if the block doesn't use DNS.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@betseg Haha, erdogan

Worst censorship technology ever

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@mınxomaτ well, then all hell would break loose

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@betseg We can give you the dns addresses manually if you want :P

mınxomaτ

16:39

@betseg I think Turkey passed that point long ago.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@mınxomaτ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index (Democracy Index) > Turkey > "Mixed Regime"

> The size of the Chinese Internet police force was reported by the state government to be 2 million in 2013.[6]

mınxomaτ

Worth a read: policyreview.info/articles/analysis/internet-censorship-turkey

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Lucky you're not in china

wikipedia, google, gmail, etc. BLOCKED

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@mınxomaτ actually, they tried blocking 8.8.8.8, then even Erdogan supporters protested against it

mınxomaτ

> Prior to Law No. 5651, a division of the BTK called the Presidency of Telecommunication and Communication (TIB) was established with the mandate of performing legal telephone tapping. In the course of the new legislation, this division progressively evolved in becoming responsible for internet related issues such as blocking websites, along with telephone tapping. Almost hundred positions were reserved for the TIB, 32 of which were filled within a few months in 2007.2

^ Turkey

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16:43

Because they censor porn-related sites, and DNS is the only way to access porn^^^

TuxCopter

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC wat France is classed as a 'Flawed Democracy'

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@mınxomaτ Still smaller than china

@TuxCopter Voter fraud, oligarchy, corruption, etc.

mınxomaτ

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Because Turkey is smaller than China. Also that was in 07.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@mınxomaτ DNS circumvention in Turkey. Tor + obfs3 + bridges + hardened + 20% failure rate circumvention in China

mınxomaτ

Also, the 2014 mod of Turkeys "Internet Law": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

16:47

@TuxCopter This was an eye-opener for me:

The Dark Art of Political Intimidation

►

^ in the US; huge rigging

mınxomaτ

> YouTube has placed this video into Restricted Mode (ironically). Sign our petition to fight back!

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@mınxomaτ Yep.

Sometimes I wonder if I should move to Norway

mınxomaτ

Also: m.signalvnoise.com/…

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

If it happens in the US, it happens in France

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^^Medium?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

16:51

@mınxomaτ Facebook is the only major US service unblocked

@betseg ?

mınxomaτ

@betseg What about it?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

China also has a virtually free über DDoS gun

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Ah yes, it's medium, it says at the bottom. It looked like medium and I asked

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_China#Technical_implementation

Kritixi Lithos

Nice hyperlink

mınxomaτ

16:54

Cheapest attack bandwidth is still Romania and Amsterdam. (as of last quarter)

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@KritixiLithos it's unexpanded on purpose

@mınxomaτ [in china] Basically they MITM a popular site in China (with a legit certificate) and inject a script that sends requests to the victim site

Free and effective.

mınxomaτ

Many network authorities do that.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

I'm being too verbose

mınxomaτ

Today I'm migrating about 47 servers from AWS, GCE and OVH to Linode. Let's see how this goes.

Backend stays at 10gbps.io.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@mınxomaτ ooh, give us updates live/periodically please

Great Chinese Lan is slang for the internet in china in china

mınxomaτ

17:01

I'm used to "The Great Firewall of China". There was a nice talk about it at CCC some time ago.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@mınxomaτ lan is more sarcastic; firewall refers to the censors but lan refers to the censored internet

@GreatFirewallOfChina  # decorator
def great_chinese_lan():
    ...

mınxomaτ

So far Linode is a more pleasant mix of OVH and AWS, without the issues I have about the intransparent billing of AWS.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@mınxomaτ Amazon has verrrrry low margin for most things; but not AWS

AWS is supposed to be barebones and dirt cheap; but it's expensive

mınxomaτ

AWS is supposed to be the absolute opposite of barebones

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@mınxomaτ Then what's the opposite of AWS?

mınxomaτ

17:07

It's a map-reduce platform with deep database integration that abstracts low-level computation into bigger tasks.

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Well, any dedicated service. OVH Dedi for example.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

You seem like you need a lot of storage. There's Backblaze which is the cheapest on the market; if you haven't already heard of it @mınxomaτ

mınxomaτ

Linode is sort of the DIY AWS, where you build your own abstract API. It's still dedicated servers, but rented by the hour. GCE is just a better version of AWS, but not good enough for my (and with confusing billing, too).

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Backblaze uses custom-built servers to offer dirt-cheap storage. Their tech is not tested outside of their network. I use Google Nearline and OVH OpenStack Swift for storage.

We have a few small Linodes to act as gateways from "traditional" storage to Swift.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@mınxomaτ What would you reccomend for public-facing server hosting? (completely unrelated, I know)

mınxomaτ

Depends on your workload. Website? App? etc.

Previously, I would have recommended OVH KS VPS (see my link above). But now, I'd really go with Linode. It just scales so much better.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@mınxomaτ Let's say small, but big enough to require server resources greater than free ones

mınxomaτ

17:15

Linode.

On the other hand, if you prepay for a year for OVH VPS, they have a 50% black friday offer today.

Still, Linode's network is vastly superior to OVH.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

There was a thing that offered a lower price point; let me dig it up

mınxomaτ

OVH Black Friday is 2.93 € / month for a VPS. I don't think there's something cheaper with a sane network.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Nope, linode is cheaper

@El'endiaStarman It appears Linode has cheaper servers at the same cost than WebFaction; if you ever run out of resources

So my current server pricing is this:

1. Heroku free; use up all the dyno hours
2. Linode

mınxomaτ

OVH BF is cheaper than Linode.

OVH network is 100 Mbps either way. Linode gives you 40Gbps in, 100 to 1000 Mbps out.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@mınxomaτ It's a temporary sale

mınxomaτ

17:21

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC It's still just 4€ regular.

Sorry, actually it's 3,49 €

Flp.Tkc

lol. i finally got silver badge

but it looks so lonely on its own...

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Do I have an irrational fear on the server being bound by mpbs out? (linode $10)

mınxomaτ

Yes

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Goooooood.

@mınxomaτ Can't find it; link please?

mınxomaτ

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC kimsufi.com/us/en/vps-ssd.xml

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

17:27

@mınxomaτ Thanks.

mınxomaτ

I'd still go with Linode. The support and better network is worth the extra $7.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@mınxomaτ Minimal config to setup?

mınxomaτ

What do you mean?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@mınxomaτ How much adaptation of code/setup or migration effort does linode take? Less than others?

mınxomaτ

Less than OVH, more than AWS.

You can write your own scripts to deploy any operating system for Linode.

If you don't want that, it's one button press.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

17:30

Can I just have a bash command that runs to start the server?

mınxomaτ

curl + Linode API.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@mınxomaτ I mean to start the server process inside the server machine

mınxomaτ

??

You choose an OS and boot the server. That's it.

If you want a stack (like LAMP etc), you can use your own StackScript or one of the pre-made ones. Basically like Docker images, but without Docker.

linode.com/stackscripts

Wordpress example: linode.com/stackscripts/view/12

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@mınxomaτ How do I tell linode what to run to start the gunicorn blabla --launch-server blablala

El'endia Starman

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Hmm, alright. Thanks for the note.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

17:33

@El'endiaStarman [minxomat told me about linode]

TuxCopter

mınxomaτ*

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@TuxCopter ...

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

U. S. A. 1. 1. 0. 8. 2. 0. 1. 6. Discussion. XD.

20 hours ago, 19 minutes total – 41 messages, 8 users, 5 stars

Bookmarked 46 secs ago by ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

mınxomaτ

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC I have no idea what you are talking about. You choose an OS (stock or StackScript-recipe) and boot it. That's really it. There's no VM or anything. You ssh into the server and use it like any linux/BSD PC.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@mınxomaτ oh ok

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

17:34

@ErikGolferエリックゴルファー You can read it, truth is in there. No, not the Subway. Not even the freezer potatoes.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@ErikGolferエリックゴルファー ?

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Well, because of the starred message on the right (5 stars), I decided to save the whole conversation.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Relevant: i.imgur.com/LIRanZh.png

7

Also Relevant: i.redd.it/14qvmqj3srzx.png

3

mınxomaτ

DNS leak discussion: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13037858

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC I am Greek, but the second one is definitely worth it. The first one was so funny, like, eat Peru.

Flp.Tkc

17:52

Peru is at the bottom of the food chain...

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@ErikGolferエリックゴルファー Thoughts on economic crisis?

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

Umm... which economic crisis out of all of them?

Kade

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Relevant: i.imgur.com/36YZKVj.png

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noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@ErikGolferエリックゴルファー The one(s) in Greece.

flawr

@El'endiaStarman Your personal 3b1b notifiaction service: youtube.com/watch?v=2SUvWfNJSsM (there is also a part 2)

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

17:58

@Kade The expression is "Relevant", you know :)

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Kind of relevant: i.redd.it/h0z0vcfn0mzx.png

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Nah, used to it. I don't think it will ever end if we continue voting for 4$$$#!7#0135 as prime ministers (prime minister is the superior power, no one is over him/her). Oh, and we've got some kind of "Democracy", but it's another 9-letter word starting with 'D'. Georgios Papandreou (Γεώργιος Παπανδρέου) was the worst in my opinion (but IDK, they're all betrayers, usual stuff). Oh, and we are in 3rd Memorandum, i.e. 3rd crisis at the moment. We are going to get 4th soon.

DJMcMayhem

Are we doing polandball now?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@ErikGolferエリックゴルファー wat how is exec branch unchecked!?

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

What exec branch?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

18:04

@ErikGolferエリックゴルファー "The Nineteenth Byte" in Greek

@ErikGolferエリックゴルファー exec branch = prime minsiter

:33736525 hm?

Translate "The Nineteenth Byte" in Greek

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

patient please

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

I know it sounds like an obnoxious request

I'll wait

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Το Δέκατο Ένατο Byte :)

DJMcMayhem

Relevant: static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Rednexball_1e38d5_5482160.jpg

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@ErikGolferエリックゴルファー I wonder how many bytes that is

@DJMcMayhem ??

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

18:07

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC ive never counted please wait for that.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

28 bytes

DJMcMayhem

It's not relevant, I just thought it was funny

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

TNB in english is 19 bytes

@DJMcMayhem /r/polandball has better

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC That is 33 bytes.

Note that this is my own translation, I don't trust Google Translate on that.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@ErikGolferエリックゴルファー :P that's why I asked a native speaker

Kritixi Lithos

18:11

Google Translate confirms translation is correct translate.google.com/#auto/en/… :P

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC I actually tested GTranslate too. The result was absolutely horrible at all. It's Η Byte δέκατο ένατο, which means The Byte(1) nineteenth(2). The byte(1) is feminine (while it should be neutral), and nineteenth(2) is neutral as it should be, but in the wrong order. As (1) is feminine and (2) neutral, it seems like there is no connection between the two. And I repeat: byte is not feminine in Greek.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@ErikGolferエリックゴルファー Interesting.

Very Funny: i.imgur.com/yB75if7.png

DJMcMayhem

@ErikGolferエリックゴルファー So "Δέκατο" is neutral and "δέκατο" is feminine?

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

No. That is just capitalization difference. The feminine is δέκατη.

DJMcMayhem

Oh

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

18:17

Why is "Byte" in english alphabet? Why no transliteration?

DJMcMayhem

Is "Δ" delta?

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC There is no transliteration for that. And I prefer to call foreign things with foreign names as they should be called.

@DJMcMayhem Yes.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

If you cat an ELF executable, you get random beautiful unicode thingies whenever you type [in terminal, temporary for session]

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

Nah, you usually get question marks.

TuxCopter

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC If you cat an ELF executable, you f up the terminal

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

18:20

@ErikGolferエリックゴルファー I get unicode stuff

@TuxCopter I got everything mapped to everything other unicode

:33736869 ·
❯ ▒␍°␍┐┘°␍┘┼┘°␌␍⎽┼┘▒┼┘␌ ┘
≥⎽␤: ␌⎺└└▒┼␍ ┼⎺├ °⎺┤┼␍: ▒␍°␍┐┘°␍┘┼┘°␌␍⎽┼┘▒┼┘␌

·
❯ ␊␌␤⎺ "␊␌␤⎺ ␊│▒└⎻┌␊"
␊␌␤⎺ ␊│▒└⎻┌␊

Commands still work

TuxCopter

halp how to make IPA vowel chart with Markdown

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

How? I think you ought to use &#<charcode>; HTML character codes. Like the one I use to force emptiness of a blockquote for example, 	. It normally represents a tab.

TuxCopter

I mean how to make a fancy trapezoidal chart like the one in the official IPA reference

Kritixi Lithos

I feel this might be relevant in this conversation about the Greek language: Kριτικσι Λίθος

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@TuxCopter Get typora and enable mermaid/pyramid or whatever inline diagramming

Typora is markdown app; can replace word

Where do you need it to render?

TuxCopter

18:24

I want to make it with GH Markdown

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@TuxCopter where render?

on GitHub?

on blog?

TuxCopter

I think I can't with basic Markdown and I need HTML :/

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

on html?

@TuxCopter You can!

TuxCopter

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC GitHub flavored Markdown

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@TuxCopter I didn't ask for markdown flavor, I asked where the md would be rendered

typora.io

TuxCopter

18:26

It will be rendered in a thing supporting GH flavored Markdown

And stop advertising your Typora thing I use vim

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@TuxCopter Not of my invention. Typora has extra rendering options; renders to html

@TuxCopter What's the thing!?

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

@TuxCopter I think table syntax goes like this, but not on SE (on GitHub, yes).

TuxCopter

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ GitHub, my browser's renderer, etc...

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

knsv.github.io/mermaid/flowchart.html

@TuxCopter So the final product is displayed on github.com?

TuxCopter

It will be displayed in an environment supporting GH flavored Markdown like GH

ais523

18:29

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC That's not Unicode, that's DECgraphics

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@TuxCopter Can you put custom HTML in there; if the custom html is rendered from a markdown -> html converter?

TuxCopter

Yes, I can put custom HTML

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@TuxCopter looky at knsv.github.io/mermaid/sequenceDiagram.html then

@TuxCopter or maybe do some css on top of the markdown; put <div class='trapezoid'></div> in md source

(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡bit

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

Lol you are copying Chemobot now.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@ErikGolferエリックゴルファー ?

Dennis

18:37

I don't know where your message starts and his username ends. >_>

DJMcMayhem

That's obnoxious

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

@Dennis I changed my username, you know :)

ETHproductions

Now there's a discussion on the string hiccuping challenge over whether always waiting 1 second is considered random... That's what I get for not exactly specifying what "random" means :P

Flp.Tkc

ikr

Can we get a mod to move all those messages to chat, it's kinda cluttering up your challenge

DJMcMayhem

You can flag one of them as too chatty

Dennis

18:40

Not needed. Just a sec.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

mod magic happens

Flp.Tkc

thanks dennis :)

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

I think you just moved some irrelevant comments to chat though (unintented, unavoidable)... and, comments can only be moved once!

Dennis

Heh, Community flagged it 5 seconds before I moved the comments.

DJMcMayhem

0_0 I didn't know community flags comments

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

18:42

...Community?

DJMcMayhem

What triggers it?

Dennis

Yes, Community casts automatic flags once for every 20 comments.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Community is NewMainPosts' evil twin

DJMcMayhem

@ErikGolferエリックゴルファー codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/-1/community

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

Yes I know who Community is.

Dennis

18:43

Usually indicates a problem with the question. Doesn't make quite as much sense for challenges.

DJMcMayhem

It does somewhat. It might be a little low though

ETHproductions

There were only 14 comments... though I think Martin deleted 6 yesterday.

Dennis

Yeah, I mean if you get 20 comments on your SO question, there's probably something wrong. 20 comments here are quite frequent though, and deleted ones also count.

Kritixi Lithos

What does "voting irregularities" mean? I saw a user suspended because of it

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

I think I saw them too.

DJMcMayhem

18:45

Most likely sockpuppets, but it's intentionally vague

Dennis

It means you're not supposed to know the details. ;)

DJMcMayhem

^

Although I do know which user you're talking about

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

Well, "voting irregularities" means voting irregularities! That's it.

Kritixi Lithos

But what is considered as an irregularity?

ETHproductions

Mass upvoting or downvoting, I believe.

betseg

18:46

Upvoting a single user?

DJMcMayhem

Using multiple accounts to vote for yourself, or other fishy voting patterns

@ETHproductions No, those will be retracted, but won't get you suspended usually

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

An... irregularity. Of course we can't get into details, but it usually means serial voting, sockpuppeting for upvotes, etc.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@KritixiLithos *kch* You are authorized to fire upon target 1 *kck*

Dennis

Revenge downvoting, exchanging upvotes with a friend, sock puppets to vote on your own stuff, etc.

Kritixi Lithos

Mods can see users' votes?

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

18:48

I think not.

DJMcMayhem

iirc they can see voting patterns but not individual votes

Dennis

Basically any kind of voting that focuses on something beyond the content of the post.

Flp.Tkc

oh, I found the user you guys are talking about .-.

PPCG will be quiet for the next 5 days xD

Zaglo

If I upvoted every post of @betseg would I get banned?

ais523

no, but you won't increase their reputation and you'll get marked for serial voting in the system

so there's not much point

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

18:51

No, the votes will be automatically reverted, but if you do it repeatedly you might (read: surely) just get suspended for voting irregularities.

DJMcMayhem

@Zaglo if you're a sock, then yes.

Judging by your name and rep, I'm gonna guess yes

Kritixi Lithos

Sock discrimination in TNB? *tsk* *tsk*

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

And, I think you pinged betseg.

Zaglo

@ErikGolferエリックゴルファー ;)

Zalgo

@Zaglo ಠ_ಠ

Dennis

19:09

@Zaglo That depends. Who's sock are you again?

Flp.Tkc

woot, just hit 1k rep

flawr

Congrats!

Next goal: 1l

TuxCopter

@Flp.Tkc Congrats

betseg

@Dennis mine

Kritixi Lithos

Zalgoception

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

19:15

I'm having a C++ problem...

        seen_times[cur_cost] = make_pair(get<1>(cow), get<3>(cow));

that, when run (debugger steps into make_pair) doesn't change seen_time's size

flawr

What's wrong with it?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@flawr Finished typing

mınxomaτ

Rofl, I managed to crash linode's container system.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@mınxomaτ Like all of it?

mınxomaτ

All of my nodes are now unbootable.

Support is working on it.

flawr

19:17

@mınxomaτ Why do you always do so evil things to your computers?

8

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@mınxomaτ Was 'fraid you crashed the entire linode system

@flawr Because he's paid to.

mınxomaτ

Well, I'm not really paid to crash my own infrastructure. They better fix this or I'm off linode.

flawr

Computers have feelings too!

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@mınxomaτ Tell that to them and then tell them you're going to need tons of resources and they'll fix it fast

Dennis

@betseg Yes, that would be a problem then. Not so much for the sock as for the puppet master.

betseg

19:19

Checking whether build environment is sane ... build environment is grinning and holding a spatula. Guess not.

mınxomaτ

betseg

@mınxomaτ ^^ relevant xkcd (as always)

mınxomaτ

See screenshot, these are not minor issues.

@betseg Hehe.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@mınxomaτ Now you're accidentally exploiting computers

unordered_map<int, pair<int, int>> seen_times;
seen_times[cur_cost] = make_pair(get<1>(cow), get<3>(cow));  // this runs, the debugger even steps into make_pair
// and yet my debugger still shows seen_times as having size 0

7H3_H4CK3R

@betseg judging that, would the "return a sigsegv" challenge be considered torture?

ais523

19:21

@Dennis: the best fix for sockpuppeting is to merge the accounts, isn't it?

although I'm not sure if a mod can do that or the owner has to

betseg

@7H3_H4CK3R :O

Kritixi Lithos

This somehow reminds me of my dream, where every computer that is connected to the Internet in Europe was hacked by hackers, ie they were able to control the display on computers. People were scared and started panicking, complying to the hackers' demands. Only later it was found out that the "hack" was just an illusion and it wasn't real

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@KritixiLithos Were they ads for turbo.js?

mınxomaτ

@KritixiLithos That's actuall somewhat close to a recent Black Mirror episode.

Dennis

@ais523 Account merging is not a moderator ability.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

19:23

1. I had SO account 2. I did bad stuff 3. I got question banned 4. I did two years of community editing, helpful flagging, badge earning 5. I was frustrated with the system so I made a sockpuppet 6. It got merged 7. And the ban was lifted 8. yay

Kritixi Lithos

The screen's showed a text message that had a blue background, probably similar to turbo.js'

@mınxomaτ What happened in the episode?

mınxomaτ

@KritixiLithos Hackers blackmailed people into doing things because they knew their secrets. In the end [SPOILER] they exposed the secrets anyway.

This sound terribly straight-forward, but the episode was pretty good.

Nonetheless, the "Bee" episode was better than all other Black Mirror episodes ever combined. That could have been it's own movie.

Flp.Tkc

xkcd.com/1285 is this an actual debate?

I've never seen 2 spaces...

Kritixi Lithos

So Black Mirror is a series about futuristic technology?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

You approach the dark, black coated man. He turns around in his swivel chair. And then he says to you in a clam, sinister voice: "Yo, wassup?"

mınxomaτ

19:31

More like "what if tech XYZ goes horribly wrong". Really witty.

TuxCopter

@Flp.Tkc Windows' Speech Recognition add 2 spaces after a period

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@mınxomaτ What if OpenSSL goes horribly wrong?

^ relevant

mınxomaτ

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Hah, indeed.

7H3_H4CK3R

@Flp.Tkc remove all unnecessary whitespace! No spaces after full stops!

TuxCopter

Nospacesatall!

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

19:33

@mınxomaτ But nobody can fire you so...

TuxCopter

Spacesareuseless

7H3_H4CK3R

Itoatallyagreebutautocorrectdoesntaothiswontbeathingimgonnacontinuedoingwowmypho‌nesautocorrecthatesmerightnowimgonnastopitrighthere

Well that messed up the mobile webpage...

mınxomaτ

Linode's still down ...

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Do you know if it's localized to just your instance?

Software development today:

mınxomaτ

Seems to be an issue with multiple nodes in Frankfurt.

7H3_H4CK3R

19:38

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC seems legit... That's why I never show my code to anyone else unless its a language im confident that they won't decapitate me for bad code style

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Programming is like brute-force-search supplemented by google search and with a really large cache persistent across invocations.

TuxCopter

But a smart brute force search, nobody type gyf\uhijfogujoigakpt, compiles and hope it works :P

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@TuxCopter Instead we write programs to do that. /s

TuxCopter

.-.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Supplemented by Google. A lot of google.

7H3_H4CK3R

19:42

@TuxCopter shhhhhh.... You don't want to offend esolangs......

5

mınxomaτ

17

TuxCopter

XD

7H3_H4CK3R

Hooray! My first starred message! Am I popular now?

TuxCopter

No.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

1. denial
2. bargaining
3. anger
4. depression
5. acceptance
6. release
7.

7H3_H4CK3R

19:47

5.5 SO, sketchy precompiled modules and stuff copied from github

Kritixi Lithos

So many xkcds

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

xkcd is ~~routine for~~ a base class of (according to noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC) PPCG

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

I think I might use i.imgur.com/Ibbk71D.png to say "that little thing just saved me from hours of work", but with the "being very smart" in a semi-sarcastic manner

@ErikGolferエリックゴルファー xkcd is a base class of PPCG

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

Like, OOP?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

y

Is there a language that provides some syntactic sugar on top of C++ and compiles to C++; like how typescript: javascript? I need it for a very specific purpose

TuxCopter

19:51

On PPCG we don't use OOP. OOP is bloated.

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Because C++ isn't already too horrible?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@TuxCopter Because I can only upload C++ source, Java source, Pascal source, or Python source; and performance is the goal

TuxCopter

More seriously, why isn't C++ already good?

And CPP is enough to mess up C++

mınxomaτ

Shopify is currently processing $274k per minute.

That's $16.5 million/hour.

To the point where there status page has trouble loading.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@TuxCopter No .contains() method

TuxCopter

?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

19:58

@TuxCopter There is no vector.contains()

or even std::contains

I can't use boost libs

TuxCopter

Why you can't use vector.contains?

You can still #include <vector>

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@TuxCopter whoops I mean unordered_map

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