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10:00 PM

@GamrCorps Are you alive?

@wat If this is related to PPCG, tell a moderator and we'll determine whether any moderator intervention is necessary. If it's IRL... I dunno, insert some elder advice here.

Anonymous

The main problem is that people take close votes personally, and act like they are some sort of personal attack. In reality, it's the opposite of that.

@DrMcMoylex right, but Alex was saying that we need to comment because the close vote text doesn't match the site. I think we'll need comments no matter what the close vote text is

rubs eyes

Anonymous

@AlexA. My elder advice: atomic wedgie

10:01 PM

still sees Alex A. in chat

Oh, good point

@AlexA. Since you haven't answered yet, can you do Group A, second time?

@Mego You got 21 downvotes in two one-minute windows. I don't think I have to.

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Urinal Discomfort! This question springboards off of Positional Bathroom Etiquette, while adding an extra twist. Background I'm going to take @Nick Frev 's formulae for the total discomfort of a urinal spot dist(x,y) = linear distance between person x and person y in Urinal Units discomfort(...

@Fatalize ?

10:01 PM

It's a miracle

Anonymous

@Dennis Lol, I was certain it was serial voting, but I don't know if mods are allowed to confirm or deny that.

@AlexA. no, IRL

I think you only log on when I sleep

@wat there is no way of doing that, unfortunately. The new generation is very disrespectful. I blame their facebook and that snapchat thingy.

Probably. You Europeans are always sleeping at weird times. (At least from an American's perspective.)

10:02 PM

@Mego Once the system invalidates the downvotes, you have your confirmation.

Anonymous

I'm an American and I sleep at weird times

Anonymous

@Dennis That's the (non-)answer I was expecting :P

I'm an Eurasian and I also sleep at weird times.

@Dennis are you not allowed to confirm or deny your ability to confirm or deny serial voting?

Anonymous

(no worries btw)

10:03 PM

@arda he's literally sitting here, pissing me off, then going "are you on your period? do you need a tampon?" (I'm a guy)

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@arda People have literally been saying that since the 1500s.

Well I often see El'endia and Mego when I wake up. That's probably because they go to sleep at 4 am though

Anonymous

@Fatalize shifty eyes noooo.....

@wat ughh

@AlexA. This is probably mutual.

10:03 PM

Haha

@arda Do you think I am very disrespectful?

Fair point

then expecting me to HELP HIM (!) with his fucking rails app

El'endia Starman

@Fatalize Well, actually, I don't. I used to.

@wat Punch him

10:04 PM

@DrMcMoylex 0 tolerance

@El'endiaStarman you stopped yesterday? :p

Anonymous

I totally have a regular, reasonable sleep schedule. Totally. It's the most regular and reasonable sleep schedule ever. I fall asleep when I get tired and then I wake up later.

@wat Hakuna your tatas.

@Zizouz212 we have a nice proverb for that in turkish: istisnalar kaideyi bozmaz :)

@DrMcMoylex Do not punch him. Violence is never the answer.

10:04 PM

Violence often won't get people far

am I the only person in this room that goes to bed at 10pm, and wakes up at 6am?

Anonymous

@AlexA. What about when the question is "what is it called when you physically hurt someone?"?

Yes

Prism

I go to bed at 11 and wake up at 7 so close

10:05 PM

i lost my wallet yesterday and he says to the principal of the school "He'll never his wallet back"

hey, another normal sleeper!

@NathanMerrill Same... Though lately, I've been going to sleep at 11 and waking up at 5:45

@NathanMerrill I'm close, 11-7

I have suspicion that he stole it

Anonymous

@Zizouz212 Sure it can, depending on the distance to the nearest prison.

10:05 PM

But generally, I go to sleep and 10pm and wake up at 6am

@AlexA. i'm more like a 2-8 person ugh.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

If you author something, do you give it authorization?

fml

El'endia Starman

@NathanMerrill I do so only grudgingly. It's usually worse than that, though, since I usually have a couple opening shifts per week, where I start working at 6 am, so I get up at 4:15...

It varies for me between 10-8 and 2-6

10:06 PM

@Mego lol

Anonymous

Some days I go to sleep at 10pm and wake up around 5-6am. Some days I go to sleep at 6am and wake up around 2pm.

El'endia Starman

Compounded by the fact that I have a hard time going to bed before 11 pm or so.

@AlexA. I was kidding

@El'endiaStarman this is a learned behavior :P

El'endia Starman

@Mego Precisely once during college, I went to sleep at dawn and woke up at dusk. That was a weird day.

10:06 PM

@Zizouz212 that proverb stands for "exceptions don't change the outcome", I'm also part of this generation, but I don't really see myself as fitting into a generation that doesn't listen, relate, understand which rely on physical and social powers a lot.

regardless, you're getting a new job, right?

I rarely go to bed before 3 AM.

@DrMcMoylex Okay, can never be sure ;)

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman I did that once. There was a decent amount of alcohol involved, though.

So many messages all at once...

El'endia Starman

10:07 PM

@NathanMerrill Hopefully soon! I'll have a technical interview next week and they'd make their decision within 24 hours.

@Dennis I had a dream you were 80 years old.

this kid posted my childhood embarassing youtube channel, with my real name attached, to /r/SmallYTChannel, tagging me and making huge claims about it

I sleep at 2-3am and wake at 6:30am. Sleep is a lie.

Anonymous

@Zizouz212 Welcome to the busiest time for TNB

its not just busy time, Alex appeared

10:07 PM

@AlexA. And still a moderator?

@El'endiaStarman Oh cool! Good luck!

@Dennis I hate nightmares

@Dennis Well, if you keep smoking and going to bed after 3 AM, you might not get to 80. :P

But in my dream yes

Anonymous

@AlexA. Like it was (80-dennis_age) years in the future, or he was just suddenly 80 years old and nobody else was any older?

@NathanMerrill oh

10:09 PM

@Mego He was suddenly 80 in present day.

@AlexA. Even if I give up both (and I'm not convinced the latter is harmful), I probably won't reach 80 anyway.

Anonymous

@AlexA. Maybe he could tell us if Helka ever changes back to Calvin

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Anonymous

Wow I am really good at starbaiting

No, but Geobits changed back to a Downskull.

@Dennis time is arbitrary. its only harmful if your schedule changes a lot or if you need to interact with real people :P

10:10 PM

One of these days Geobits' avatar will be that yoga position, downward dog.

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill Who needs real people when you have TNB?

El'endia Starman

@Mego You mean...you're a master at it?

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman ಠ_ಠ

@Mego that's why I said "if" and not "when" :P

Anonymous

@AlexA. And its eyes will be downvotes

10:11 PM

@NathanMerrill I have a rather steady 3 AM - 11 AM (+/- 1 hour) sleep schedule, so I should be golden.

3 mins ago, by Nathan Merrill

@Dennis I hate nightmares

@NathanMerrill bah, it's the same word in german.

El'endia Starman

@flawr Wait what really?

Yup.

@El'endiaStarman wenn

El'endia Starman

10:12 PM

Huh, curious.

but in some cases when = wann

how do you talk about thinks that might have happened in the past?

if he had done X?

@Dennis Noooooo, don't say that. What would we do without you 50ish years from now?

because conditionals are independent of time

@AlexA. Ah, to be 20 again...

10:13 PM

where "when" implies the future

@Dennis Sorry, bad at math

Anonymous

I'm pretty sure I developed DSPD (or something similar) during college

El'endia Starman

> If they are allowed to follow their own schedules, e.g. sleeping from 3:00 am to 12:00 noon, their sleep is improved and they may not experience excessive daytime sleepiness.

That's the sleep schedule I had last winter.

@NathanMerrill I don't quite get what you're asking, could you provide an example?

@El'endiaStarman that's the schedule I had last summer. It was amazing

nowadays I have too much daytime sleepiness and it doesn't help with classes :/

10:16 PM

I had 3:00 AM-9:00 PM for a while. That was nice

@NathanMerrill @El'endiaStarman there is also "falls" (meaning "if"), but just using "wenn" is more common.

@flawr If he will jump, then I'll pay him 5 dollars, vs. If he had jumped, then I would have paid him 5 dollars

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

I had an idea: let's "bury" a time capsule for ourselves in the future.

you'd just use "wenn" in both of those cases (with different tenses)

although you could use "falls" with the former

wait, you conjugate "wenn", or you would simply conjugate the verbs?

10:17 PM

conjugate the verbs

just like you do in English

"Falls/Wenn er springt, geb ich ihm 5 Dollar." and "Wenn er gesprungen wäre, hätte ich ihm 5 Dollar gegeben."

ah, so its more like "When" doesn't exist

well if you use the former with "wenn" then it can also so mean "when" (i.e. "as soon as he jumps, ...")

kinda depends on context in that case

it can definitely be ambiguous

ok. So you'd basically find two definitions in the dictionary under "Wenn"

gotcha :P

yes

Das German Byte

10:20 PM

@AlexA. Das Deutsche Oktett

haha

they use octet in german?

@Fatalize nope, but it sounds more german that byte

maybe flawr does

haha

10:21 PM

traitors

@MartinEnder Natürlich, meine Festplatte hat 1 Teraoktett.

Wow, that's pretty nice

Fest = party -> Festplatte = party disk

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"Platte" can also mean platter...

TIL hard drives and party platters are one in the same in Germany

10:37 PM

user image

^ Käseplatte

Sweet hard drive

Hüttenkäse

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Q: Find the rate of change at a point on a polynomial

Given the equation of a polynomial and an x-coordinate find the rate of change of the point at that x-coord on the curve. A polynomial is in the form: axn + axn-1 + ... + ax1 + a, where a ϵ Q and n ϵ W. For this challenge, though, n can also be 0 depending on how you take your input (if it is m...

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"Platte"

Eh, more like Platten.

10:49 PM

Agreed. Platte is either a vinyl record or a bald head.

Cool, so basically random, unrelated things have the same word in German

hahaha

@mınxomaτ depends on the country:) here it is "Die Platte"

@MartinEnder I remember this comment fo yours:

I just wanted to congratulate you on how well-balanced your scoring is. When code challenges mix two quantities into one score the balance is almost always off such that the best answer will just optimise one of the scores without having to consider the other one at all. The cubic weight of the number of languages was perfect here... while it was always possible to add another language it was always a very nice (but doable) challenge to do so in the number of bytes available. :) — Martin Ender ♦ Dec 5 '15 at 23:49

Any thoughts on the score function here?

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

On this site we obey the laws of thermodynamics! code-challenge sequence string And in particular the second law: the entropy of an isolated system increases over time. For this challenge, An "isolated system" will be taken to be consider a program or function (abbreviated as "program" from ...

@AlexA. Theý are all related. platt simply means flat. Flat hair is bald, flat tires are ... flat, vinyl is flat and so are disk platters

10:51 PM

platt means flat. Discs are flat, vinyl records are flat, and flat tires are also flat.

super ninja'd

Bald heads are not flat

translate de: ninja'd

(from French) Ninja würde

@flawr I'm surprised you didn't have a go at the orthogonal matrix challenge :-)

That is not French

10:51 PM

translate: Ninja würde

(from German) Ninja'd

hahahahaha

@Dennis haha

@LuisMendo what challenge?

What?

@AlexA. In an epsilon neighbourhood of some point they are.

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10:52 PM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

On this site we obey the laws of thermodynamics! code-challenge sequence string And in particular the second law: the entropy of an isolated system increases over time. For this challenge, An "isolated system" will be taken to be consider a program or function (abbreviated as "program" from ...

@flawr What about people with fractal heads?

@flawr This one. I tried it with QR but it's banned

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Q: Code golf a random orthogonal matrix

An orthogonal matrix is a square matrix with real entries whose columns and rows are orthogonal unit vectors (i.e., orthonormal vectors). This means that M^T M = I, where I is the identity matrix and ^T signifies matrix transposition. Note that this is orthogonal not "special orthogonal" so th...

code-golf math probability-theory matrix

@LuisMendo Well I've been busy in the last 24h:)

'night

@LuisMendo The rule about builtins that generate orthogonal matrices is so subjective...

10:58 PM

@flawr lol

I'd say

If you are not a U.S. citizen or not eligible to vote, then, before answering this challenge, do the U.S. a favor by telling anyone you know who is an eligible citizen to go out and vote if they haven't already.

does consider those other 194 countries >:I codegolf.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/34739

@LuisMendo Ok not subjective, more like destructive, you can't use most of the matlab functions.

@flawr I see an answer that uses Gram-Schmidt. Isn't that the same as QR?

And politically motivated != civically motivated.

Sorry, that was just irking me. :D

@LuisMendo Well gram schmidt can be used to generate a qr decomposition.

In that sense it is basically the same.

10:59 PM

@flawr They are only approximately so :-P

@flawr Oh, but it's done manually in that answer. That's why it's allowed :-/

@HelkaHomba To be fair that part is now useless since voting is over

But that wasn't the complaint, they left the first line.

The first line is basically "here is why I post this challenge"

the second part clutters the challenge at this point

In other news: Snowden did a live interview with startpage.com. The recording can be watched here: youtu.be/FwOIgOH_S18?t=2265

also, sure it's civically motivated but that doesn't mean it has to be in the challenge description either

would fit more as a comment

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

11:12 PM

A wild @DavidPostill appears

Do Americans eat more hot dogs per capita or Germans? Context: hotdogs were invented in germany

Maybe @mınxomaτ knows.

that's not because they invented it that they're in the top countries at it

Look at England and sports...

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Fatalize they might though; it's a nice ancedote

@AlexA. Hey, welcome back to answring! :-)

Haha thanks. It's been a while.

Feels good, man

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC I live in the east part of Germany. Many people here sell this as hot dogs. Thankfully, I low live in a more civilized city and can enjoy actual hot dogs.

11:15 PM

What kind of cataclysmic event could lead Alex A. to answer again? Oh wait

?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@mınxomaτ that = american sausage dog we don't even call hot dogs - bread + weird

It's actually quite enjoyable. It tends to contain actual meat, in contrast to most hot dogs I had.

What is an actual hot dog then?

@flawr this: beverlypress.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/hot-dog-06.jpg

11:19 PM

Water, salt and some animal parts I didn't even know existed.

I think I'd like the versoin @mınxomaτ posted better.

The exception here is the IKEA hot dog.

@flawr ಠ_ಠ blasphemy

@Maltysen Because it looks more like a Brotwurscht

@flawr This: vetwest.com.au/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/images/…

11:22 PM

For your reference: Brotwurst - Wurstbrot

@xnor I have such a neat Twos in Pascal Triangle solution, but I’m still 4 bytes off yours, and I can’t wait to see it~

@mınxomaτ how does that even stay balanced?

I have no idea.

That would also be a PITA to eat

@mınxomaτ How the heck do you eat if this is a PITA?????

XD

Inclined to make a rude joke.

11:25 PM

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^ "Workers Cordon Bleu"

Ah yes, the classic dish of Herzinfarkt.

@mınxomaτ No way, it is super healthy, look at all the green salad there on the left.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

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A: Shortest code that return SIGSEGV

R + this package (14 characters) require(trump)

somebody flag this please

i'm not sure how to flag it

low quality?

It's been deleted

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

11:29 PM

thanks

pls SE

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Q: Message for upvotes is misleading

I realized the other day on SciFi & Fantasy SE that the upvote message is misleading. I had joined and asked a question, this one if you were wondering, and tried to upvote an answer. It gave me a message saying that my upvotes would not be shown until I had 15 rep. Okay, I understand ...

feature-request voting privileges up-votes wording

@AlexA. I don't understand

What's wrong with that answer?

Loophole

Which one?

Fetching the output from elsewhere

TIL Tor.SE

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

11:37 PM

TIL ^

@AlexA. Hello again

El'endia Starman

@AlexA. Just like English, eh? :P

@quartata Oyo boyo

@El'endiaStarman Well... yeah...

You doing all right? Last couple days have probably not been fun for you

It's been... emotional

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

11:42 PM

@AlexA. you'll be okay. IIRC trump doesn't deport birds

Luckily you can just migrate south ;)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

but seriously :/

Let's not inject any more politics here just wanted to make sure you were doing OK considering everything

Haha thank you, I appreciate it.

Unrelated note, does anyone know if there's a Python 3 equivalent of the Visual C++ Compiler for Python 2.7?

11:45 PM

> Visual C++ Compiler for Python 2.7

What?

Or do I need to bust out a full Visual Studio install for compiling wheels

@quartata You only need the Build Tools for compiling. VS is just the IDE.

@mınxomaτ I don't remember if that was the name but there was a version of the tool chain for building Python binary dists that was really small

You know you can trust minxomat on this because he's a real, live Windows user. Just when we thought they had gone extinct.

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87 MB vs like a gig or something

11:46 PM

MSVC is included in Build Tools, VS is not: blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2015/11/02/…

@AlexA. Ha

It's like finding a dinosaur

@AlexA. Every now and then you spot one in the wild, but it's getting rarer.

El'endia Starman

@AlexA. Oh no, TimmyD's dead?!

@AlexA. Hey I do run linux. I just have Windows in KVM. :/

11:47 PM

@quartata There are dozens of us!

Dozens!

Literally a few!

But I don't know how MSVC is related to Python. Unless you are talking about IronPython.

@mınxomaτ Granted, you run everything. Don't you have a room full of computers with basically every OS known to man?

@AlexA. They are mainly running linux. A small number runs different versions of Windows as a test server.

11:50 PM

You also have a Hackintosh, right?

I'm slowly moving all my setups to servers and clients.

@AlexA. Also in KVM now.

I find this mildly disappointing

Virtualized servers and thin clients.

A 2x6 (2x12 thread) core Intel server (stocked with memory and HDDs) is just about $400 now. That's much cheaper for me in the long run than keeping all these PCs.

I'm also cancelling many of my hosted servers, since I now have a fibre connection :-)

Oh shit, is it Google Fiber?

No.

11:55 PM

Oh, okay.

It's actually a MLVPN connection of a 250/150 fibre, one 100/5 VDSL and two 50/50 4G.

I don't understand any of those acronyms

or numbers

The numbers are MBps

Down/Up

I use a MLVPN server to bond these connections. The actual traffic egresses over an exit node (also a MLVPN server) in a German data centre. So this gives me 400/200 -ish usually, with some failover.

MLVPN = Mary's Little Very Pretty Norbert?

@AlexA. github.com/zehome/MLVPN

11:58 PM

Man, Lemme Verify Please. Nancy?

Oooh fancy

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