The Nineteenth Byte

12:01 AM

Though I'm the only one in my street who bought the fibre connection. But all apartments got optical end terminals for free. I'm currently considering just buying the connections from apartments that don't use them, since my current provider refuses to give me a bigger pipe.

DrMcMoylex

> Give a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life

mınxomaτ

Sep 23 at 23:33, by ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

> Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set him on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life

DrMcMoylex

Hey, I never said I was original. :P

quartata

12:19 AM

@mınxomaτ It's for compiling Python extensions written in C

Or Cython in my case

mınxomaτ

Sounds like you just need a C compiler.

quartata

Right.

mınxomaτ

So yeah, follow my link above.

Alex A.

@DrMcMoylex I think you're original. <3

quartata

OK. Full disclaimer: I have no idea what I'm doing

Alex A.

12:21 AM

(that particular thing notwithstanding)

quartata

I just wanted to build something on Windows and see if it would work

Then I remembered that end-user operating systems do not have compilers

Alex A.

It's Windows so the answer is most likely no

mınxomaτ

34 mins ago, by mınxomaτ

MSVC is included in Build Tools, VS is not: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2015/11/02/announcing-visual-c-build-too‌ls-2015-standalone-c-tools-for-build-environments/

quartata

I saw. Trying right now

mınxomaτ

Gives you the standard command line C/++ compiler.

Alex A.

12:22 AM

@quartata OS X comes with clang and all sorts of crap.

Luis Mendo

@AlexA. Did I mention I type my PPCG answers on Windows Notepad?

Alex A.

I think you have mentioned that. Blasphemy :P

I think @Doorknob uses Windows Notepad for Linux

Luis Mendo

It always causes strong feelings around here

quartata

@AlexA. I almost fell for this

mınxomaτ

Beware of MSVC command line switches. If you need GNU, try TDM-GCC. Dev CPP is a tiny editor that installs sets up GCC and all the environment variables automatically.

quartata

12:23 AM

Then I remembered

Luis Mendo

^^^^ Now that's blasphemy

Alex A.

@LuisMendo If there's one thing that TNB has taught me, it's that operating systems are very polarizing.

Browsers too.

quartata

@mınxomaτ I only know GNU but I'm told that using GCC on Windows is like killing babies

3

Alex A.

And JavaScript

DrMcMoylex

@AlexA. :O

Now the pressure is on!

quartata

12:24 AM

So I'll just figure it out

Alex A.

Nah, you're original just for being you

mınxomaτ

@quartata Not really. But if you are not familiar with MSVC, start with Dev CPP. You get a native GNU make environment.

quartata

For this I only need to specify include paths really

Alex A.

No pressure

Doorknob

@AlexA. Accurate

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

12:31 AM

lol

Luis Mendo

@Doorknob So, just for the challenge of it?

Alex A.

@Doorknob Did you know that there used to be an Internet Explorer for Mac?

True story

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

pls

just

no

arda

hmm, I might name my esolang "pearl".

Luis Mendo

@AlexA. The key here is "used to" :-)

quartata

12:33 AM

PEARL (programming language)

PEARL, or Process and experiment automation realtime language, is a computer programming language designed for multitasking and real-time programming. Being a high-level language, it is fairly cross-platform. Since 1977, the language has been going under several standardization steps by the Deutsches Institut für Normung. The current version is PEARL-90, which was standardized in 1998 as DIN 66253-2. PEARL is not to be confused with the similarly named Perl, an entirely unrelated programming language created by Larry Wall in 1987. == Features == PEARL supports both fixed-point and floating-point...

Also aren't you from Arqade?

arda

@quartata >_>

quartata

Have we lured you over?

Luis Mendo

@arda Doesn't perl sound the same?

arda

@quartata yup

quartata

mwahaha

arda

12:33 AM

@quartata nah

I'm everywhere

Alex A.

@LuisMendo I was joking, actually; there is no MS Notepad for Linux (that I know of). Doorknob is a hardcore Vim user.

arda

gaming, anime, cr, gdse, su, au and pcgg

Luis Mendo

@AlexA. Bwah. I'm easy to fool I guess :-P

Alex A.

:P

I think the easiest way to detect trolling is "Microsoft .* for Linux," since Microsoft basically doesn't make anything that works on Linux.

And Microsoft Office for Mac is literally the worst software I've ever used.

arda

@AlexA. well, vscode, dotnet core are some that I can remember that works natively on lniux

Alex A.

12:37 AM

I thought Mono was required for .NET on Linux?

mınxomaτ

@arda They were made to be crossplatform.

@AlexA. .NET is a specification. Implementations are curate by the DotNet foundation and include DotNET core and Mono for linux.

arda

@mınxomaτ Yes, but blaming microsoft for not making linux-only is weird. Crossplatform is, imo, good enough, but well, I'm biased.

Alex A.

@mınxomaτ Oh interesting, didn't know.

@arda I don't blame them for not porting software to Linux. It's in their best interest as a company to focus on producing software for their own OS.

mınxomaτ

@arda I mean Office was never intended to be cross platform or have any kind of portable file format. VSC etc. were created with that in mind.

arda

also, powershell for linux

Alex A.

12:39 AM

Who in the world would use that

mınxomaτ

Well yes, but we all know PowerShell is a mistake all around.

arda

no idea

@mınxomaτ yes

quartata

I'm actually having to use Powershell right now because for some reason Python hangs in Git Bash.

Alex A.

@mınxomaτ Don't tell that to TimmyD >_>

quartata

So far it's driving me nuts because there's no which

And I have no idea how pipes work in it so I'm scared to try

mınxomaτ

12:40 AM

@quartata Pipes in unix and windows are the same.

Alex A.

31

A: Powershell equivalent to unix `which` command?

This was asked and answered on Stack Overflow: Equivalent of *Nix ‘which’ command in Powershell? The very first alias I made once I started customizing my profile in powershell was 'which'. New-Alias which get-command To add this to your profile, type this: "`nNew-Alias which get-co...

mınxomaτ

As are std streams and redirects.

quartata

@mınxomaτ No, not those pipes.

I mean as in command1 | command2

mınxomaτ

@quartata Yes. These pipes.

quartata

That works in PowerShell?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

12:41 AM

What's the best typing trainer? Esp. for dvoark.

mınxomaτ

Of course.

That worked since DOS

quartata

I guess they're not total savages then.

I don't believe <<< was a thing in DOS though.

mınxomaτ

Also you don't have to use PowerShell. Just use the command prompt. Git Bash is simply powershell with git slapped on it.

quartata

PowerShell has aliases for stuff like ls. That's the only reason I'm sane right now.

Also Git Bash has vim. Already makes it better

Luis Mendo

@AlexA. I was thinking it was with Vine or something... // Yes, all people I know who have used Office for Mac say the same thing

Alex A.

12:44 AM

Wine?

Dennis

Wine Is Not an Emulator.

It's also useless for most purposes.

Luis Mendo

Yes, Wine, sorry

mınxomaτ

Vine is also useless, but in a different way

arda

@Dennis yeah

Luis Mendo

I'm not much of a Linux user...

Alex A.

12:46 AM

@mınxomaτ It's going away!

quartata

@Dennis Seriously?

Wine has worked for almost everything I've ever tried.

mınxomaτ

@AlexA. It still exists o.O ?

Alex A.

@mınxomaτ We might be talking about different things... I mean the short video platform owned by Twitter.

Dennis

@quartata Yeah, it never really did the job for me.

Luis Mendo

@AlexA. They're closing it, I read

Alex A.

12:47 AM

Yeah

Wasn't generating enough revenue, apparently

Luis Mendo

Never used it. I don't think that's what Twitter is for

arda

@quartata I've been using it for a while lately, and it doesn't help usually.

Luis Mendo

I'm more a text than a video person

Alex A.

@LuisMendo Twitter has kept Vine pretty separate from their flagship product. Vine wasn't initially a Twitter subsidiary IIRC.

arda

@LuisMendo twitter is mostly about sh*tposting and memes nowadays.

mınxomaτ

12:48 AM

@AlexA. Yes

Dennis

Dammit, my skull-request stays at 21 stars.

Luis Mendo

@arda Well, it all depends on who you follow!

Alex A.

@arda I think that depends on who you follow.

Ninja würde

Dennis

hahaha

Geobits

@Dennis status-deferred

arda

12:49 AM

we all know that only real account is @swiftonsecurity and the rest is a lie

and that's mostly memes.

Alex A.

Well, there's Nihilist Arby's...

Luis Mendo

See this one I saw today

Math in motion! https://t.co/PRg6F2LQZL

Tweeted by SciencePorn on November 9, 2016 at 11:24 PM

Alex A.

> Tweeted by SciencePorn

oh my

Luis Mendo

Yeah... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

arda

I think I read that twitter missed some big investments lately due to the lack of moderation in content.

Dennis

12:50 AM

This needs four more stars. Make Geobits skull again!

arda

They also started banning people for threats and stuff. Around when milo (@nero) got banned.

Luis Mendo

@Dennis Done. Is there anything similar for Calvin?

Dennis

There is.

Can't find it right now.

Luis Mendo

Is it the reference by Mego? With five stars

@AlexA. I discovered this symbol the other day ⍩ It reminded me of you

Hm, the eyes are too small here. Let's try without backticks ⍩

Dennis

Looks like I'm misremembering.

May 27 at 5:12, by Helka Homba

@AlexA. If all 4 current mods are still active on PPCG ten years from now I promise to change my name back to Calvin's Hobbies

Luis Mendo

12:59 AM

Hm, that's a long wait!

arda

@LuisMendo but its worth it

Alex A.

@LuisMendo >:U

5

Luis Mendo

>:V

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Learning Workman layout. At 13 WPM currently

quartata

Why even bother? :P

Oh boy, what perfect timing for a TF2 update.....

Always happens within 5 minutes of me starting a server

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

1:12 AM

@quartata prevent hand cramps; typing speed is secondary

18 WPM!

Wheat Wizard

@ConorO'Brien Is there a place where I can test code in Y?

quartata

I'd definitely argue that you're more likely to give yourself hand cramps by trying to learn a layout that you are unfamiliar with

Alex A.

Well if it isn't @poi830.

ASCII-only

@Dennis Didn't he say he was going to change back if Trump was elected?

Helka Homba

So close...

@ASCII-only Oh gee, did I?

Alex A.

1:17 AM

Oct 19 at 3:50, by Helka Homba

@Downgoat If Trump wins I'll go back to Calvin. Read: Never.

11

mınxomaτ

Rofl.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@AlexA. @HelkaHomba Change it. Now.

ASCII-only

@TimmyD 103 seems ~~too few~~ waaay too few

Helka Homba

@AlexA. Ah jeez

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@mınxomaτ also that psuedohotdog thing look delish but is not a hot dog

quartata

1:19 AM

"Read: never" implies that it was written in another language where "If Trump wins" is equivalent to "If false"

So I think he's in the clear

ASCII-only

@Adnan no vi is not as good as vim but not virus

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

dammit quartata

Geobits -> skull; helka -> calvin

@quartata someone make that esolang

Alex A.

@quartata That was a bug in the language. It now, because apparently the universe is a cruel place, returns true.

quartata

Anyone know what this means:

ImportError: ../addons/source-python/plugins/cython_test/cython_test.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64

ASCII-only

@AlexA. Really late but yay I'm finally online at the same time you're alive :D

Alex A.

1:22 AM

Haha, yeah, we're basically on opposite sides of the globe

Well, literally I guess

quartata

I don't Source.Python uses 32-bit Python but it might be possible

Calvin's Hobbies

I'm a user of my word.

18

quartata

@Calvin'sHobbies You monster

Why would you do this

orlp

@Calvin'sHobbies you changed name back?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

:O that was fast

Calvin's Hobbies

1:22 AM

27 secs ago, by Calvin's Hobbies

I'm a user of my word.

mınxomaτ

Well, at least one good thing that came from this election.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Oct 19 at 3:50, by Helka Homba

@Downgoat If Trump wins I'll go back to Calvin. Read: Never.

Calvin's Hobbies

No promises it's permanent.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@quartata That's a c++

ASCII-only

@quartata Maybe it's a binary compiled for the wrong architecture?

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC C++?

Alex A.

1:23 AM

@Calvin'sHobbies You could change it back once he's out of office

quartata

@ASCII-only No it was compiled on this computer

orlp

@Calvin'sHobbies eh ofc it's permanent

you are calivn

calvin

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@ASCII-only A c++ error

quartata

Oh I see the problem

ASCII-only

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Cython != C++

Alex A.

1:24 AM

@quartata This is why I don't make bets

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@AlexA. what if he repeals the amendment for the two-term limit

Alex A.

I'm sure even if it was by an executive order there would be enough votes to override it

DrMcMoylex

@Calvin'sHobbies :O

I honestly never thought I'd see this day

Calvin's Hobbies

Me neither.

DrMcMoylex

Is it permanent?

Calvin's Hobbies

1:27 AM

We'll see

quartata

Ugh, is there a way to get a 32-bit version of Python without screwing everything up

All I really need are the headers actually

poi830

@AlexA. hi

DrMcMoylex

I just had a really funny thought

There are enough new users here that I bet there'll be at least someone who goes "Where'd Helka go? And who's this 'Calvin' guy?"

Dennis

@Calvin'sHobbies 24 : 24

Conor O'Brien

@WheatWizard conorobrien-foxx.github.io/Y

Wheat Wizard

1:32 AM

Thank!

Conor O'Brien

OMG BEST DAY EVER ALEX AND CALVIN ARE BACK

14

Alex A.

<3

ASCII-only

@ConorO'Brien Alex was back ages ago

Conor O'Brien

wait wat

Oh well

Calvin's Hobbies

@Dennis Bah. Help Calvin outgold Dennis! (Actually don't. Only upvote that challenge if you honestly like it and downvote it if you don't.)

Dennis

1:35 AM

Well, today he's backer than he was before.

Alex A.

Aw come on, what the hell. Aviation.SE got their design before we did. >:/

Conor O'Brien

11/1/2017's the date I hear

Calvin's Hobbies

Vote for codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/30332/26997 while you're at it

ASCII-only

@ConorO'Brien *11/1/2022, 11/1/2023 or 11/1/2024

Conor O'Brien

tbh underhanded contests are fun

but horrible for the SE format

ASCII-only

1:39 AM

Just curious, how many have submitted a language to CALESYTA?

@ConorO'Brien Maybe it's better suited for chat.SE format :P

Conor O'Brien

@ASCII-only hmmmm

CMU?

ASCII-only

@ConorO'Brien Yeah

quartata

@ConorO'Brien I disagree

Conor O'Brien

that's okay

Calvin's Hobbies

@AlexA. Weren't you our SE liaison? Start liaisoning :U

Dennis

1:41 AM

@Calvin'sHobbies Heh, I was wondering how that old answer suddenly got two upvotes.

Conor O'Brien

<_< definitely wasn't me

DrMcMoylex

I'm OK with the current policy, but I disagree with having underhanded being off-topic. Especially since the idea clearly works (C&R is basically a higher quality underhanded)

Calvin's Hobbies

> Liaison - the binding or thickening agent of a sauce, often based on egg yolks.

Most definitely you

quartata

I do not see the connect between cops and robbers and underhanded at all.

And it's been sufficiently demonstrated I think that underhanded doesn't work.

Plethora of bad closed challenges and cheaty answers

Conor O'Brien

aw shoot I opened up a can of worms again

Dennis

1:43 AM

Code trolling was also fun. It's just not beneficial to site health.

quartata

I love worms

Granted, I was not around for code trolling. But it didn't look like it was a lot of fun.

Calvin's Hobbies

CMC: Write a program that looks like it prints Helka but prints Calvin instead.

quartata

Obviously just my opinion

Calvin's Hobbies

@Mego Hmm?

Dennis

Dammit, “Helka» prints Scout reaggregation Aachen.

Conor O'Brien

1:45 AM

xD

quartata

@Dennis lol

That must mean something

Aachen

Aachen (German pronunciation: [ˈʔaːxn̩]) or Bad Aachen, traditionally known in English and French as Aix-la-Chapelle (English pronunciation: /ɛks.la.ʃa.pɛl/), is a spa and border town in North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany. Aachen was a residence of Charlemagne, and later the coronation place for German kings. Aachen is the westernmost city in Germany, located near the borders with Belgium and the Netherlands, 61 km (38 mi) west-southwest of Cologne in a former coal-mining area. RWTH Aachen University is in the city. Aachen's industries include science, engineering and information technology. In 2009...

So some scouts are meeting en masse at Aachen?

Clearly a conspiracy

ASCII-only

@Calvin'sHobbies :( this is harder than it sounds

Almost...

Conor O'Brien

My two cents:

'Helka '(+37-~])&.(3&u:)' !%0-s'

ASCII-only

Foo: print 'Helka' (not "Calvin") +10/10 for effort right?

Conor O'Brien

it's very disguised ;)

nvm

Shebang

1:53 AM

@Dennis No, I don't, why?

mınxomaτ

Seems right

Shebang

I wonder if this is why my laptop is shutting off while playing games now..

ArtOfCode

@Shebang you should probably start looking for the CO2 extinguisher

Dennis

@Calvin'sHobbies Perl: print Helka^"\n"

@Shebang Because of the untrusted macro/wallet theft.

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies yum

Dennis

1:58 AM

@ASCII-only Perl

ASCII-only

@Dennis Never mind, D: pls stop using zero-width chars

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies AFAIK there's no news, since we're still waiting for site-specific text first

Dennis

@ASCII-only I didn't.

DrMcMoylex

@ConorO'Brien You can see what the various commands do by changing the "O" in this program: v.tryitonline.net/#code=T2xpbmUgeA&input=bGluZSAxCmxpbmUgMg

To the commands I mentioned, that is

ASCII-only

Okay, maybe not, but Ideone says there are five whitespace characters that I didn't see before

Dennis

2:00 AM

They're ASCII control characters. You of all people should recognize them. :P

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

^

El'endia Starman

@Shebang Try running FurMark. That's how I verified that my computer was crashing for graphics reason while playing some video games.

Calvin's Hobbies

@AlexA. Site-specific text?

Dennis

Basically an over-complicated s/question/challenge/g.

El'endia Starman

...am I dreaming?

Is that a "Calvin's Hobbies" I see?

Doorknob

2:02 AM

I am having way too much fun playing with this keycap attached to a mechanical switch. (I haven't gotten the actual board yet, but that hasn't stopped me from repeatedly clicking the switch just because it's so satisfying :P)

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies The stuff in meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/8350/20469

Dennis

@Doorknob Sounds like this is for you.

ASCII-only

@Dennis D: I didn't know, the console says they have charcode 183 = not ASCII

Calvin's Hobbies

Oct 19 at 3:50, by Helka Homba

@Downgoat If Trump wins I'll go back to Calvin. Read: Never.

Except I was wrong...

El'endia Starman

@Calvin'sHobbies Yeah, I had to scroll up to see that.

@Calvin'sHobbies A lotta people were...

Alex A.

2:04 AM

Yes. A lot.

Dennis

@ASCII-only That can't be. XORing an ASCII character with a non-ASCII character would produce non-ASCII output.

Shebang

@El'endiaStarman Hm, FurMark doesn't even detect a second GPU

Dennis

in Election 2016!, 6 hours ago, by Dennis

Huh. That looks like Trump didn't so much win as Hillary lost.

Alex A.

@Dennis u_u

ASCII-only

@Dennis Yeah, Ace Editor is weird and I didn't think to inspect the code on the actual link

Shebang

2:08 AM

@El'endiaStarman Athough the temperatures are now magically reading correctly

..nevermind

Downgoat

@Calvin'sHobbies YAAAAYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!! You're back

quartata

@Downgoat It's not somthing to be happy about

Downgoat

At least one good thing come out of election

quartata

The legends say that he will only return in times of dire

Downgoat

@quartata ? Why. Haven't we been waiting since forever for this

Dennis

2:12 AM

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Luxemburg flag is just a lighter version of the netherlands flag.

lux on top, neth on bottom

And chilean flag is just a really lazy american one.

Dennis

The Chilean flag is an American flag.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Dennis chile is sovereign

Dennis

And America is a continent.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Dennis OK, US flag then :P

Despite the fact that cuba and puerto rico have international tensions, it's basically s/red/blue; s/blue/red

Alex A.

2:17 AM

Puerto Rico is a US territory

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@AlexA. I know.

Alex A.

Puerto Rico having international tensions is just the US having international tensions

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@AlexA. I know.

Alex A.

Then I don't understand what your point was.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

I've seen many trucks that say "American blah blah business" that accidentally have the russian or netherlandish flag.

@AlexA. s/*//0

Dennis

2:18 AM

Paraguay's flag looks like the Dutch one, with two different seals on both sides.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

I like the UK's flag. It's nice.

cambodia v. ecuador

Costa rica vs. North korea

Dennis

Do we need a flag room?

ASCII-only

A room where every message is flagged? :P

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

NATO has noice flag.

Dennis

No, a room where we can enjoy noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC's “fun with flags”.

Alex A.

2:22 AM

"enjoy"

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@AlexA. :(

Alex A.

To each their own

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

this was the confederate flag:

Dennis

Apologies if that wasn't clear, but I meant you should dial down on the flags.

quartata

You know a game's featured replay ranking system is bad when a replay where a player loses connection half way through is featured

Conor O'Brien

2:31 AM

lol

which game?

quartata

Clash Royale.

Arena 9 Matteo vs Hardstyle on TV Royale

Calvin's Hobbies

2:46 AM

Other nice flags:

Leonard Cohen just died :(

Leonard Cohen - Hallelujah

►

Downgoat

@Calvin'sHobbies ;______; ono

not another bad thing :(

DrMcMoylex

Could we stop with the flags now?

quartata

Anyone here ever worked with ATS (the language)?

mınxomaτ

Link?

wat

@Calvin'sHobbies Why the name change?

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