The Nineteenth Byte

arda

7:00 PM

I was joking around in my coding lessons (I'm the teacher) and I wrote an esolang and a 2d game engine.

Yodle

System.out.println("Hello World"); is now Ƥ("Hello World");

arda

both the language and the engine is VERY incomplete to even easily code a tetris game, but meh.

Kritixi Lithos

@Geobits Easier to understand than other languages. It is simple yet does not lose most of its "Java-ness"

@Yodle You can remove the last ; in JGolf

Yodle

Did you get rid of types

Kritixi Lithos

Not yet

But I'm planning to shorten types: int f(){return 5;} to if(){r5;}

Geobits

7:04 PM

That looks confusing at best

mbomb007

I think I found an SE formatting bug.

Anyone want to confirm it for me?

0

A: The meta-polyglot quine

Python / Retina, 70 65 64 66 bytes I used the same strategy I used in my previous Python / Retina polyglot. # print"\nS`((.+))"*2+"\n\n" #? #_='_=%r;%_\n';_ #?; #;print _% # Try in Python | Try in Retina Quine in Retina: S`((.+)) S`((.+)) Quine in Python: _='_=%r;print _%%_\n';prin...

Geobits

@KritixiLithos You made it look exactly like an if block o_O

Steven H.

if() if what?

mbomb007

The final block of code (Python quine) displays one less trailing new line than it should

Kritixi Lithos

If blocks now follow the following format: F(){//...}

See, simple!

Geobits

7:06 PM

@mbomb007 Odd. On the edit page it looks fine, but not once posted.

@KritixiLithos So you made functions look like ifs and ifs look like functions. Yes, quite simple >_>

Yodle

I assume it's just functions that return ints that would do that. a string function called f would be sf(){}

Kritixi Lithos

^ See, I haven't taught Yodle the language but he understands it!

Geobits

Yeah, I assume so too, but it's still a bit odd. Especially an oddly chosen example when you're showing off simplicity and ease of understanding ;)

Kritixi Lithos

But hey, at least you don't need to look in the commands section every time you see a weird character

Geobits

Well, tbf, there's a reason I don't bother with golfing/eso-langs.

Yodle

7:09 PM

Heh, if I made Gava, I'd have all sorts of built-ins with strange characters

Geobits

But I don't see that this is going to change that. Good luck though, really :)

Kritixi Lithos

I personally don't like using strange characters

wat

@KritixiLithos if(){S.o.pl("nope");}?

TimmyD

p s v m(s a[]){...}

Golfed Java

Kritixi Lithos

F(true){P("nope");}

wat

7:11 PM

verbose

ruby (non golf language): puts "nope"

Kritixi Lithos

@TimmyD You won't need the pvsm in JGolf, it automatically adds it for you

If I make JGolf too much golfed, then it is going to be harder to understand it

TimmyD

Always the case.

I have an idea for an esolang, don't know if I'll ever get around to doing it.

wat

Yodle

~~GolfShell?~~ PowerGolf sounds better.

Steven H.

Explain it and we can probably help

Kritixi Lithos

7:12 PM

What language is it based around?

TimmyD

It's not based on PowerShell or Python or any other mainstream language - it's going to be its own.

Geobits

PowerGolf still sounds better.

Yodle

ha I just realized you rotated your avatar to be a downshell

mbomb007

@Yodle It's been like that

Geobits

For years

mbomb007

7:15 PM

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Q: <pre><code> block displays one fewer trailing line feeds than it should

When creating a code block in markdown with trailing line feeds, it displays correctly in edit mode, but after saving the edit I can briefly see it the same way, then the last line disappears. Example: This Python quine has a trailing new line. In edit mode, it displays, but not after that on P...

Yodle

I figured I'm just slow :(

TimmyD

Basically, I've been toying around with the idea of a double-ended stack (unlimited depth) and a register (single value).

@Yodle Yeah, after the Halloween avatars worn off and people started doing down-vatars.

DrMcMoylex

@TimmyD esolang or golfing language?

Steven H.

Double ended stack as in a stack that can be treated as a queue and vice versa?

mbomb007

Would it be possible to make a programming language where the only way to create a program is to play a game? Like, make it so the language is cryptographically difficult to program in, like Malbolge, but the game does it for you if you play it?

TimmyD

7:17 PM

Esolang. I mean, it's going to be shorter than Python or PowerShell or the like, but it's not going to reach Pyth or Jelly or 05AB1E levels.

@StevenH. Push/pop/peek from either end.

mbomb007

Also, someone should make a ~~fat~~ fatter version of Java called "Jabba"

TimmyD

Java.NET

Geobits

language-trolling

Steven H.

@mbomb007 Oracle's made that already, they called it Java

TimmyD

@Geobits language-bowling

mınxomaτ

7:19 PM

J Sharp

Visual J# (pronounced "jay-sharp") programming language was a transitional language for programmers of Java and Visual J++ languages, so they could use their existing knowledge and applications on .NET Framework. J# worked with Java bytecode as well as source so it could be used to transition applications that used third-party libraries even if their original source code was unavailable. It was developed by the Hyderabad-based Microsoft India Development Center at HITEC City in India. == Fundamental differences between J# and Java == Java and J# use the same general syntax but there are non-Java...

TimmyD

@mınxomaτ Yeah, I'm aware of that POS

GLASSIC

Q: Is current linux source on github compilable ?

mınxomaτ

@GLASSIC It's a mirror, so yeah.

GLASSIC

I hope so ...

mınxomaτ

But why would you take it from github? Take it from the source: kernel.org

GLASSIC

7:21 PM

hmm... a 404 in kernel.org?

TimmyD

All the benefits of .NET (attributes, events, value types) without any of the benefits of .NET (the ability to create new ones of those).

mınxomaτ

@GLASSIC No.

Geobits

@TimmyD And all the pitfalls of .NET to boot! :P

TimmyD

Pretty much.

betseg

Technically, Linux 4.9 is still 2.6.x, right?

TimmyD

7:22 PM

It was like "Let's take the worst bits of Java, and the worst bits of .NET and mush them together!" "What about the best bits of each?" "The what now?"

Geobits

Yeah, we don't need those bits.

Kritixi Lithos

Those bits are now called Geobits

Geobits

I wouldn't say there's much .NET in my bits. I even dropped VB after 6 :P

That's when I switched to something sane, like C.

Kritixi Lithos

I've never used .NET, VB or even C#

Java is better

Yodle

C# and Java are pretty similar syntactically

Most (if not all) my answers have been posted in C#, but they'd probably be about the same in Java

Kritixi Lithos

7:28 PM

But in terms on mobile development, Java is used in Android and C# is used in Windows phones

mınxomaτ

@KritixiLithos C# is massively used in Android development.

xamarin.com

Kritixi Lithos

But Android Studio is the official IDE for android development

mınxomaτ

So what?

Niclas M

@Yodle actually i wont say so

i think they are pretty different

Kritixi Lithos

Google tells me to use Android Studio, I will.

Poke

7:30 PM

@NiclasM are you going to elaborate

mınxomaτ

Comparison of C Sharp and Java

This article compares two programming languages: C# with Java. While the focus of this article is mainly the languages and their features, such a comparison will necessarily also consider some features of platforms and libraries. For a more detailed comparison of the platforms, please see Comparison of the Java and .NET platforms. C# and Java are similar languages that are typed statically, strongly, and manifestly. Both are object-oriented, class-based, and designed with semi-interpretation or runtime just-in-time compilation, both use garbage-collection, and both are curly brace languages, like...

TuxCopter

The syntax of C# and Java is similar, but the stdlib is different

Poke

@TuxCopter Yodle only mentioned syntax

Niclas M

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_C_Sharp_and_Java
also attributes are awesome

@TuxCopter you got it

TimmyD

C# and Java are syntactically similar only because they're both high-level object-oriented languages with a standardization underneath (CLI or JVM) and curly-brace.

mbomb007

7:32 PM

I got my curly-braces off a while ago.

Glad to be rid of them.

Poke

@NiclasM "Overall the syntaxes of the languages are very similar"

Geobits

@mınxomaτ Xamarin is a thing, but I don't think its numbers compare at all to Java development for Android.

Poke

it's in that wiki link >.>

Niclas M

@Poke thats actually kinda trueish

mınxomaτ

@Poke There is a reason the comparison needs a 34 page article. There are many differences. Don't just quote out of context here.

Poke

7:33 PM

how is that out of context?

Yodle said they're syntactically similar

so does the wiki under the syntax section

what

I don't see what reason there was to disagree with what Yodle said there

If there were no differences it would be the same language

no one is arguing they're the same

Yodle

Yes that

mbomb007

I had a brilliant idea. Check this out!

Yodle

That was big.

DrMcMoylex

Well that's obnoxious

Kritixi Lithos

Woah!

mbomb007

7:45 PM

"http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/33438583#33438583"

Sorry.

El'endia Starman

Yeah, keep that stuff in the Sandbox.

I even saw that you had it in there originally...

mbomb007

It is in the sandbox. The link turned into a quote automatically

mınxomaτ

@mbomb007 You have been ninja'd anyway. We had this mess months ago in TNB already

TimmyD

@mınxomaτ I thought if the ninja was months old it was sumo'd?

Kritixi Lithos

ninjakiwi'd

mbomb007

7:47 PM

@mınxomaτ I quoted myself rapidly and it started adding time to how long I had to wait between edits.

arda

oh no

I began planning an esolang

mbomb007

@arda Goodbye, free time.

Oliver

@KritixiLithos Ohh, you have to use the version before i made everything strings because I made everything buggy

@KritixiLithos I will revert it later

Kritixi Lithos

@Oliver I was planning to crack your A000042 submission using Dip...

Oliver

@KritixiLithos Yea, it is Dip.

@KritixiLithos Hint: it uses the range loop

Kritixi Lithos

7:57 PM

I sort of figured that out, but I didn't know how to use the loop

Oliver

for example

to print something 5 times

just write

5("test"p

if you also want to print somthing after

you can write

5("test"p)"test2"

@KritixiLithos

Kritixi Lithos

But there are no close parenthesis in your answer

This will indeed be a challenge

I'm close!

Oliver

sorry

Kritixi Lithos

What!!! I was so close....

Oliver

i just figure out that it doesn't actually work

Kritixi Lithos

8:06 PM

(1J

Oliver

wait

actually it does

wait

what

Kritixi Lithos

You need to have a separate chatroom for Dip

Are you going to repost your answer @Oliver?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Any help with this npm error? (not sure if it's package specific):

npm ERR! Darwin 15.6.0
npm ERR! argv "/usr/local/Cellar/node/6.3.1/bin/node" "/usr/local/bin/npm" "install" "-g" "screeps"
npm ERR! node v6.3.1
npm ERR! npm  v3.10.3

npm ERR! No compatible version found: @screeps/engine@1.0.2
npm ERR! Valid install targets:
npm ERR! 1.0.1, 1.0.0, 0.0.6, 0.0.5, 0.0.4, 0.0.3, 0.0.2, 0.0.1

Oliver

@KritixiLithos Ohhh, i'm so dumb, i made a typo, let me repost a correct one

muddyfish

8:23 PM

@mod could you pull my avatar for chat?

Loong

@muddyfish done

muddyfish

thanks!

TimmyD

@muddyfish funny looking fish

muddyfish

@TimmyD better?

Can mods do username changes as well?

ArtOfCode

yep

TimmyD

8:31 PM

@muddyfish Isn't that just based on what you've got set as your parent?

Oh, they probably need to refresh it.

Nice. But now I'm going to have no idea who you are. :D

ArtOfCode

refreshed

BlueEyedBeast

Did that work?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@BlueEyedBeast yep, it's blueeyedbeastnow

BlueEyedBeast

I noticed

@BlueEyedBeast hello old me!

I think that's a bug.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Hello, @betseg!

betseg

8:38 PM

Hi

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Balancing Act code-golf string A see-saw (supposedly from the French 'ci-ça', meaning 'this-that') forms a third of the holy trinity of playground equipment, along with the similarly ubiquitous slide and swing. A see-saw is in perfect balance if, and only if, the sum of the moments on each side...

flawr

New Miegakure video!!!

mınxomaτ

?

El'endia Starman

@flawr :O!

Aaron Hall

Election 2016!

Discussion about the 2016 US election. Watch yo' profanity.

^^^^^ ---------- for election discussion.

flawr

8:44 PM

@El'endiaStarman :O!

I'm so looking forward to it's release!

El'endia Starman

@flawr Me too!

flawr

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Shebang

I assume I was not the only one drawn to the name that covers half the width of the image

It apparently means "Saint Mary's Church in the hollow of the white hazel near a rapid whirlpool and the Church of St. Tysilio of the red cave. "

wat

i've seen that many times before

Shebang

They have a website for the village!

llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.co.u…

wat

8:58 PM

what got me was "Barton in the Beans" and "Pity Me"

BlueEyedBeast

It's a civ you can get in civ 5

Shebang

I think Dull is probably a great way of describing the north of the UK ;)

SevenSidedDie

→ 1 message moved to Election 2016!

TimmyD

Sir! Sir! We're being attacked in Llanf ... Llainfa ... Y'know, just send your troops to Liverpool, we'll direct them from there.

wat

today is my birthday

Shebang

9:00 PM

It's northwest of Chemistry!

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Absolutely correct ! I have been given some homework, in which my Math teacher wants me to figure out what expression is represented in the graphs she gave me. Because it is long and painful to do every single one of them by hand, I want to automate it a bit. The challenge Given a graph as an ...

wat

@Shebang another long domain name is asinglepictureofgeorgeclooneyinfrontofthetajmahalandgoogleads.c…

Shebang

That was totally worth it

Fatalize

@flawr Lost in Scotland? Penneh?

flawr

@Fatalize Fattiehead!

Oh no, I was not talking about you but about a village.

I somehow have the impression that my recent challenges seem to be rather difficult.

Shebang

9:08 PM

@flawr As complexity and length go up, challenge participation decreases exponentially

I mean, you probably know that already

flawr

@Shebang That is also my experience. It seems people like quickies more than challengies.

Dennis

Not so much a matter of liking, but when I only have a couple of minutes on my hands, I probably won't tackle one of the difficult challenges.

Yodle

@Shebang So if I write a new challenge to create a program that compiles and that's it, It'll be the most popular challenge possible? ;)

Anonymous

@Yodle It might take the record for fastest-closed-as-too-broad :)

BlueEyedBeast

@Yodle too broad

Anonymous

9:11 PM

I would much rather write a challenging challenge than a trivial challenge, tbh

flawr

@Mego but writing and participating are two different pair of shoes:)

Yodle

I know :P And yeah, I try to make mine challenging but not impossible or tedious.

flawr

I generally also try to make my challenges solvable =P

BlueEyedBeast

@Yodle so mario kart in game of life?

Niclas M

write a pyth, cjam + jelly compiler that automatically chooses which lang youre using

Yodle

9:16 PM

@BlueEyedBeast Now that would be pretty cool.

flawr

@NiclasM why not throw in matl regex and perl too?

Niclas M

nobody likes throw

thats why

bcause cjam pyth and jelly are golf langs so we stay at one topic :p

flawr

matl is too

Niclas M

and along with base and actually they are the ones i see the most

oh

didnt know it was for golfing

ty

gotta get sleep now

see you

@flawr i expect the compiler tomorow

:p

Nathan Merrill

@NiclasM what if I write a pyth, cjam, jelly polyglot?

Anonymous

9:23 PM

@NiclasM So like this? :P

Anonymous

It's kind of amazing that I came back to that answer without looking at it for several months and still managed to find 3 bytes to golf off

Dennis

Could somebody with Excel please check if this answer produces the correct output?

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A: Turtles All the Way Down

Workaround in Excel for Silly Rules Regarding Mouse Inputs on Code Golf Stack Exchange: 6+106 = 112 bytes. the code to put into the compiler (106 bytes): REPLACE(IF(LEFT(A1,1)="o",RIGHT(A1,LEN(A1)-1)&"o","o"&LEFT(A1,LEN(A1)-1)),4,LEN(A1)-6,REPT("-",LEN(A1)-4)) and put your first turtle into A...

For reference, the original problem:

> I feel really bad about pointing this out because this is an excellent submission, but that's not the required output, which has an aligned row of underscores for the top of the shell. For the sake of scoring, this is probably important.

Shebang

Dennis

So it's still invalid. Thanks!

Shebang

No problem :)

Niclas M

9:39 PM

@Mego i mean like a compiler ;p

TimmyD

Props to you for having the guts to run an Excel macro off a Google drive

Shebang

:P

Anonymous

I smell serial voting

Shebang

I didn't really think of that

Anonymous

Fatalize

9:40 PM

someone is mad

Anonymous

Someone is going to get slapped with a ban :)

Dennis

@Shebang Do you have Bitcoins?

@Mego Investigating.

TimmyD

Dang, Geobits, ya need to space the votes out a bit more ... ;-)

Anonymous

@Dennis Thanks :)

Geobits

@TimmyD huhwat?

TimmyD

9:43 PM

Mego's picture a few posts up.

Geobits

Oh. I see someone hasn't learned how to do it right :P

TimmyD

Yeah. Just like embezzling money.

I mean ...

I've heard.

Anonymous

Why do I always seem to take the flak for closing stuff, and not the other 4 close voters? >_>

DrMcMoylex

@Mego Dang. How much have you lost?

Anonymous

@DrMcMoylex Actually I'm still up +8 for today :P

Poke

9:47 PM

@Mego The penguin icon, probably

DrMcMoylex

I meant ignoring upvotes

Anonymous

Not sure

Anonymous

I didn't bother counting it up

Anonymous

I got 50 rep from upvotes, and have +8 net, so 42?

Anonymous

ಠ_ಠ

DrMcMoylex

9:49 PM

I've never been serially voted before

Closest I've ever been is 5 upvotes in a few minutes, but it wasn't reversed

flawr

Well you just didn't notice.

Thanks to stealth votes.

TimmyD

@Mego Well, you were the one that commented?

In general, it seems like when you closevote, you comment, so that makes you visible.

Anonymous

@TimmyD So clearly the problem is that other close voters don't have the courage to comment :P

TimmyD

Not a bad thing, just an observation.

Geobits

@Mego Wow, who did you piss off? That's extreme compared to other serial voting I've seen.

Anonymous

9:54 PM

I think close votes are worth comments

Anonymous

A close vote by itself doesn't do much good. A comment lets the user know what is wrong and how they can fix it.

TimmyD

Definitely. When I closevote, I try to comment (or upvote an already-existing comment if it matches my thoughts).

I try to do that anytime I downvote a challenge or answer, too.

Nathan Merrill

@Mego unless you've already written a nice succinct comment for us!

Anonymous

I usually don't comment on downvotes

Nathan Merrill

but I agree :P

Alex A.

9:57 PM

@Mego Because our close vote text doesn't make much sense in the context of our site. On Stack Overflow, for example, closing without comment is more reasonable because the close text describes the problem fairly accurately.

Gotta get that site-specific text, son

Anonymous

@AlexA. Exactly. That's why I always comment, even though I usually become the target of all the arguing.

Anonymous

Also welcome back bird friend

Alex A.

chirp <3

wat

how can i get this annoying kid who keeps pissing me off, to stop pissing me off?

TimmyD

Holy cow, Alex! Hi!

Nathan Merrill

9:58 PM

I don't think we could create close text that would work for us. There's so much that a challenge can do wrong

Dennis

@Mego There's nothing I can do about the downvotes, but the system should take care of them votes in less than 24 hours. In the highly unlikely case it doesn't, ping me and I'll bother a CM.

DrMcMoylex

@NathanMerrill Why not just "this challenge does not meet our quality standards"?

Nathan Merrill

right, but that's so generic its not useful to the person writing the challenge

Anonymous

@Dennis Thanks :) I'm assuming you can't say whether or not you found proof of serial voting

DrMcMoylex

Sure it's not as specific, but it's a nice broad catch all

@NathanMerrill That should be what comments are for

Election 2016!

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