The Nineteenth Byte

betseg

21:00

@MetaEd yes

MetaEd

@betseg I got my first timeshare login that year.

Editors weren't even a gleam in my eye then. All I knew was the BASIC interpreter.

Geobits

Finally, someone significantly older than me in here. Here, have my bag of "get off my lawn" jokes.

MetaEd

in English Language & Usage, Oct 26 at 20:37, by MetaEd

@Mitch Get on my lawn.

Thanks, I'll add them to my collection.

mbomb007

@MetaEd No, it's 6. VI :P

TuxCopter

Ha ha ha

MetaEd

21:05

@mbomb007 Do I have to work out what that is in radix-50?

Nathan Merrill

if you are defining a square with two points, one of them is called the "Origin", the other is called ____?

TuxCopter

Steam! /badjk

mbomb007

@NathanMerrill The backdoorigin

El'endia Starman

@NathanMerrill The opposite corner? I've never heard of a specific name for it.

MetaEd

The catty corner.

mbomb007

21:06

I'm definitely calling it the "backdoorigin" from now on.

TuxCopter

The anti-origin

The !origin

Nathan Merrill

opposite sounds fine, I guess

Geobits

@NathanMerrill I like hypotenoid

El'endia Starman

Yay, I'm the helpful one. :P

mbomb007

@MetaEd It'd be kitty corner. Catty is used for catty wompus, which is a separate term.

Geobits

21:09

Catty cornered is definitely a thing

MetaEd

@mbomb007 My guess is it's regional. I grew up with catty corner.

mbomb007

hm

Geobits

It's also the first Google autosuggestion for catty for me.

El'endia Starman

I don't think I've ever heard either term.

mbomb007

@MetaEd Yeah, searching reveals that both come from the Middle English catre-corner

meaning, "four-cornered"

Idk how cats got into it

MetaEd

21:13

@mbomb007 Cats get into everything.

El'endia Starman

Looks more like it's related to "quatro". They're similar enough in sound to have a common ancestor.

mbomb007

@MetaEd According to Merriam-Webster, kitty is the normal one, and catty is a variant. merriam-webster.com/dictionary/catty%E2%80%93corner

Nathan Merrill

hey, if you were defining "bounds" for a square to go from (0,0) to (4,4) should they both be inclusive?

TuxCopter

Cat = quatro, cats have four legs, 4 - 1 = 3, a triangle has 3 sides, cats are illuminati confirmed mind = cat

Nathan Merrill

aka, is (3,4) in bounds?

mbomb007

21:23

Cell towers disguised as things that aren't cell towers

Destructible Watermelon

Hi Tux!

TuxCopter

Hi Des!

Destructible Watermelon

I had an idea for a koth

TuxCopter

n1c3

Destructible Watermelon

melee spaceships

main issue right now is that I don't know how to physics engine

Do you have portal two?

Nathan Merrill

21:29

physics engines are mostly geared towards graphics. Simple collision isn't really that tough

TuxCopter

Iff the ship is a rectangle

Nathan Merrill

I mean, they did it in Asteroids

TuxCopter

Otherwise collision handling get harder

Nathan Merrill

true, but do you really want a KoTH where shapes matter?

MetaEd

I can't believe it's been more than 13 years since I worked Project Euler problems. Is that even possible?

Nathan Merrill

21:30

then submissions have to do the calculations as well if they want to perform well

Destructible Watermelon

seriously, I would like it if someone who had portal two played my level

TuxCopter

I only have Portal one ;_;

undergroundmonorail

@Sp3000 It is I, the king of Animated Esports Sign

TuxCopter

@undergroundmonorail What is this sorcery

How do you have done this

undergroundmonorail

I mean it's three different solutions :P

TuxCopter

21:32

Ah

Nathan Merrill

@undergroundmonorail that looks like a zachtronics game

undergroundmonorail

@NathanMerrill shenzhen i/o, by zachtronics

Y5 production cost I'm actually really proud of, it took a lot of thinking. 92 power isn't too hard but getting it to 91 power requires a clever trick that I didn't come up with by myself, so I can't take too much credit for that. The 2 lines of code solution is just silly.

TuxCopter

My best is ¥10, 159 power and 6 LoC :/

undergroundmonorail

Getting from ¥10 to ¥6 was the part that I thought was really clever, getting from ¥6 to ¥5 is just good old fashioned golfing

Most of my solutions are pretty bad, but I have mastered Animated Esports Sign :P

i need more steam friends with shenzhen i/o so i can know if i'm really bad or sp3000 is just really good

or both

TuxCopter

I sent (goddammit preterit) you a friend invite (TheKsp25)

undergroundmonorail

21:42

nice

PhiNotPi

TODO: get shenzhen i/o

TuxCopter

;_;

@undergroundmonorail What puzzle?

undergroundmonorail

deep sea sensor grid

TuxCopter

Ahk

I don't have unlocked it yet

Yay I did fake camera in 128K power

PhiNotPi

new goal: MAXIMUM POWER

Nathan Merrill

21:46

I can't ping martin

can the rest of you?

undergroundmonorail

this isn't me but

TuxCopter

@NathanMerrill Nope

@undergroundmonorail HOW

undergroundmonorail

i don't know

you can only fit a single MC4000 on either side of the divide

Nathan Merrill

huh, his profile says his last message was 4 days ago

he must be busy

undergroundmonorail

i guess just huge busy loops

TuxCopter

21:48

  mov 999 acc
a:teq acc -999
- sub 1
- nop
- nop
- nop
- nop
- jmp a
  gen p0 6 6

^ code of my top MC4000

I don't see how to max powah more

undergroundmonorail

my first thought is to try and nest a loop in there but i don't know how you would make that work

because the value you're testing against would still affect the outer loop

TuxCopter

Yeah we only have 1 accumulator

(And not enough place to hack a second with the pins)

undergroundmonorail

oh oh i have an idea, give me a second

oh yeah this is sucking up a lot of power, these test runs are taking forever

do you want to know the trick

TuxCopter

Yes, I'm totally stuck to maximize the power :/

undergroundmonorail

replace every nop with gen p0 0 0

it costs the same power as mov 100 p0; slp 0; mov 0 p0; slp 0

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

21:54

U.S. elections from the BBC's point of view

TuxCopter

Woah

That's neat

And evil

mınxomaτ

> A political group is deploying puppies to polling stations in five states to drive voter turnout

genius

Nathan Merrill

the problem is getting people to leave the puppies to actually vote

TuxCopter

off-by-one on remote kill switch

._.

undergroundmonorail

i'm saving power on this one solution by

Destructible Watermelon

22:06

bot arena 3 has the grooviest music ever

undergroundmonorail

taking this one slp instruction, increasing the argument by one, and then running it again to see if it still completes the verification

it started as slp 1 and it's up to slp 8

slp 9 is the best i can do

TuxCopter

On what?

undergroundmonorail

pocket i ching oracle

TuxCopter

Ahk

My solution bork at slp 2 :/

undergroundmonorail

when the button gets pressed, you can assume it won't be pressed again for up to 9 time units and still pass verification

flawr

22:09

@El'endiaStarman youtube.com/watch?v=AmgkSdhK4K8

You're gong to enjoy this=)

Alex A.

@HelkaHomba Yeah, cats are historically oppressive of birds

Downgoat

@AlexA. ;_; @EasterlyIrk y u do dis

Alex A.

?

Downgoat

EasterlyIrk is cat

Alex A.

Oh right

flawr

22:25

Hello @AlexA.!

How do you do?

Alex A.

I do swiftly and mercilessly. How do you do?

mınxomaτ

@El'endiaStarman Can you check if the benchmark still works? I've added some sanity checks.

MetaEd

@AlexA. Sorry for your partner.

flawr

@AlexA. I do sweet and chocolatey.

MetaEd

@flawr Envy yours.

flawr

22:27

@AlexA. Still a lot to do?

TuxCopter

@AlexA. You are alive?

ETHproductions

Hey @Downgoat, do you know about Crayon?

Alex A.

@flawr Always :/

flawr

No we are talking to a ghost.

Alex A.

@TuxCopter Nope

TuxCopter

22:28

Ah ok

flawr

@AlexA. Omg, we are soon at message 33333333!

Alex A.

If I'm not mistaken, it's not contiguous over a single chat room, it's over the entire chat.se network

TuxCopter

^

flawr

Yes I know

Alex A.

Oh okay

flawr

22:29

That means it is going to happen even sooner=)

ETHproductions

Approximately 10158 messages to go

trichoplax

That makes it even more arbitrary...

flawr

@ETHproductions Please nobody take this as a challenge.

Alex A.

Hey @trichoplax, how do you pronounce "trichoplax"? I say it like TRIKE-oh-placks.

ETHproductions

@flawr Yeah, no. Don't go posting messages just for the sake of increasing the counter :P

Downgoat

22:30

@ETHproductions it's your esolang, right?

ETHproductions

@Downgoat Yeah

trichoplax

@AlexA. I've always said "trick oh placks" but I haven't known the word for much longer than it's been my username, and I've never checked. Will find out now...

Alex A.

Another speaker of British English that I know also pronounces it that way

undergroundmonorail

i didn't know it was a word

Luis Mendo

^

ETHproductions

22:32

@Downgoat I'm having trouble uploading the new docs (powered by HTML and StrapdownJS), do you think you could take a look?

Doorknob

@AlexA. /ˈt͜ʃɹaɪ.koʊ.plæks/

Luis Mendo

t͜ʃ really?

Alex A.

Trichoplax

Trichoplax adhaerens is the only extant representative of phylum Placozoa, which is a basal group of multicellular animals (metazoa). Trichoplax are very flat organisms around a millimetre in diameter, lacking any organs or internal structures. They have two cellular layers: the top epitheloid layer is made of ciliated "cover cells" flattened toward the outside of the organism, and the bottom layer is made up of cylinder cells that possess cilia used in locomotion, and gland cells that lack cilia. Between these layers is the fibre syncytium, a liquid-filled cavity strutted open by star-like fibres...

Luis Mendo

Like the "ch" in "cheese"?

Alex A.

@Doorknob I don't speak IPA; I only drink IPAs.

Downgoat

22:33

@ETHproductions sure, link?

Doorknob

@LuisMendo English <tr> is usually pronounced /t͜ʃɹ/.

Luis Mendo

@AlexA. You speak IPA by definition. You don't read it :-P

Alex A.

#alcoholism #drinkingaloneonafridaynight

(also joking ^)

@LuisMendo Good point :P

ETHproductions

@Downgoat ethproductions.github.io/crayon/docs

Nothing shows up on Firefox or Chrome for me

Even though it works locally

Downgoat

Questoin: what is best way to run various applciation depending on where request is made? e.g. example.com/goat runs foo.js but example.com/sheep runs bar.js. I know i could reroute example.com/goat to like localhost:3001 and example.com/sheep to localhost:3002 but surely there is better way

Alex A.

22:36

That reminds me: @Doorknob, you may be pleased to know that I've finally switched to a "better" browser. I now use Firefox as my primary browser.

trichoplax

@AlexA. trichoplax have no mouths, so you can't ask them how to pronounce their name, but they also have no ears, so they won't know if you say it wrong

4

ETHproductions

And that's why they communicate through the Internet

Downgoat

@ETHproductions btw you can name the branch master and set master as your gh-pages branch

also, do have build-script?

ETHproductions

@Downgoat O_O wut

quartata

@AlexA. WHAT

ETHproductions

22:38

@Downgoat No, I do everything manually

I suck at git

trichoplax

@ETHproductions Don't believe everything you read on the internet. I'm not actually a trichoplax :P

TuxCopter

@AlexA. Yay

Downgoat

@ETHproductions do you use windows or linux or mac?

Alex A.

@trichoplax Why should we believe that then? ;P

ETHproductions

@Downgoat windows 7

Downgoat

22:39

ah ok

Alex A.

@quartata Yeah. Idk, the newest Safari release just wasn't doing it for me.

ETHproductions

@Downgoat Is that a problem?

quartata

@AlexA. But Firefox?

Really?

trichoplax

I use Firefox too. Can I still chat?

Downgoat

@ETHproductions kinda, windows doesn't have make utility. Do you have Cygwin installed?

hm, I guess you could setup travis to do the builds

Doorknob

22:40

@AlexA. You should get Pentadactyl! (take this message about 15% seriously)

TuxCopter

Firefox is the only good browser

Downgoat

@TuxCopter ಠ_ಠ

Alex A.

Jan 17 at 5:27, by phase

@GamrCorps I use firefox when I want to listen to music and actually want RAM left.

Downgoat

Safari browser is best browser

quartata

Konqueror or riot

Alex A.

22:40

Why I don't use Chrome ^^

ETHproductions

@Downgoat Wait what? Why do I need builds?

TuxCopter

@Downgoat wtf

mınxomaτ

@Downgoat That's just wrong.

Downgoat

;_;

DrMcMoylex

@AlexA. oh Hai! O/

Alex A.

22:40

Yo

Downgoat

safari dev tools > * dev tools

firefox is slow and clunky

ETHproductions

gtg, sorry

DrMcMoylex

Long time no see

TuxCopter

firebug > *

mınxomaτ

@Downgoat wtf

DrMcMoylex

22:41

At this rate, I'm gonna pass you in rep soon. :P

Doorknob

@quartata Once there was a website broken in both Firefox and Chromium, so I was forced to use qutebrowser cause it was the only other one I had and I didn't want to download another browser over mobile data. It actually worked :D

TuxCopter

@Downgoat wat

quartata

@Doorknob I actually haven't heard of that one

Downgoat

firefox is kinda like IE

TuxCopter

@Downgoat ಠ_ಠ

quartata

22:42

And the last time I used Konqueror was KDE 3

TuxCopter

At least, FF supports CSS3 and HTML5

quartata

I still find myself typing gg:<search> sometimes though

TuxCopter

@IE huh?

Downgoat

I do not need "Firefoxbug Friends Debugger Extensions++™"

mınxomaτ

@Downgoat You have officially lost your mind

Doorknob

22:42

@quartata It's a browser with built-in vim-like keybinds, kinda like Pentadactyl. I'd heard about it from somewhere and installed it to try it out, but never uninstalled it. :P

TuxCopter

@Downgoat wat

Firebug is lightweight and it works

Downgoat

hahahahaha

TuxCopter

?

Alex A.

@Downgoat Except that Firefox actually supports modern web technologies. IE always has to be special-cased in browser code.

Downgoat

firebug is slow

TuxCopter

22:43

ಠ_ಠ

Downgoat

@AlexA. yeah but i can't use -webkit- features

TuxCopter

Downgoat, what was in the tin can you ate most recently? D:

Downgoat

i tried using firefox for a week and i didn't like it

quartata

@Downgoat Yeah. That's because you're not supposed to use them; they won't work in anything that isn't webkit

mınxomaτ

@TuxCopter You just posted the 33323333rd message

Downgoat

22:43

only button i need is back button

trichoplax

When I'm using a web browser, I'm not giving a great deal of thought to which browser it is.

TuxCopter

REALLY

mınxomaτ

Yes

quartata

The good news is that they all exist as -moz

TuxCopter

YAY

trichoplax

22:44

@Downgoat Just use backspace

Downgoat

@quartata uhh no?

mınxomaτ

http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/33323333#33323333

quartata

@Downgoat This is what's to the right

TuxCopter

@Downgoat left of the URL bar

Downgoat

LIke 99% of websites these days use prefixed properties

Alex A.

22:44

@Downgoat You can quite easily configure the panel to remove all of those icons you don't want

Downgoat

@TuxCopter I know back button exist but i dont need all weird firefox stuff

TuxCopter

Firefox is good, Chrome is okay, IE is a joke

Downgoat

i just need to view TNB and SO

TuxCopter

@Downgoat It's not weird stuff

Downgoat

> Click the Hello button to browse Web pages with a friend.

quartata

22:45

@Downgoat developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Glossary/Vendor_Prefix

Downgoat

pls look me in the eye and tell me how this is not weird

TuxCopter

Yeah, this is weird

quartata

Usually browsers share experimental CSS properties though. That's why you use -webkit and -moz

If you use only -webkit you are literally cutting out about half of the Internet

Downgoat

also. it seems to have seperated URL and search bar

Alex A.

TFW you realize you're the one that reignited the browser holy war

TuxCopter

22:45

@Downgoat Yep

trichoplax

@AlexA. At least we know who to blame :P

TuxCopter

blame-alex

DrMcMoylex

So today my company's parent company (who we still do work for) got hit with some nasty ransom-ware. They basically lost all of their data and have to pay a bunch of bit coins to get it back. 0_0

trichoplax

@TuxCopter Yeah let's not start that again...

undergroundmonorail

my web browser is wget and a text editor

TuxCopter

22:46

@DrMcMoylex O_O

Downgoat

@TuxCopter this is primarially deal breaker

TuxCopter

?

Downgoat

@DrMcMoylex ;________; that sucks big time

quartata

@DrMcMoylex Notify the FBI cybercrime people?

Downgoat

maybe ask sec.se people if alternative

trichoplax

22:47

@Downgoat You can type searches straight into the URL bar if you prefer - both work

TuxCopter

vv

DrMcMoylex

@Downgoat doesn't affect us at all

quartata

@Downgoat No that's a very bad idea

Downgoat

@trichoplax huh really?

@DrMcMoylex oh

I thhought you said "your parent's company" >_____________>

TuxCopter

@Downgoat Yep

but if you write hello.world it will try to go to the site hello.world, not search for hello.world

mınxomaτ

22:48

@DrMcMoylex nomoreransom.org

DrMcMoylex

@Downgoat Oh, no no, that would be awful

trichoplax

@Downgoat Yes. You can also remove the search bar to give a much longer URL bar

It's very customisable

Laikoni

@DrMcMoylex I heard about companies which calculated that it's cheaper to pay in case of a ransom-ware infection instead of investing in a decent back-up strategy.

Downgoat

I also dont like firefox UI in general

TuxCopter

ಠ_ಠ

quartata

22:49

@Laikoni Those people are very dumb

There is almost 0 guarantee that you'll get an decryption key

trichoplax

@Downgoat I'd actually be less concerned if someone's parents' company didn't have adequate backups, than a company big enough to be a parent company...

quartata

@Downgoat It's pretty much the same as every other web browser UI?

Maybe there's something I'm missing

TuxCopter

And if you get the encryption key it's most of the time useless because it's probably encrypted with assymetric cipher :P

Downgoat

can I insert spacer into toolbar?

so like search bar isn't like the entire window length

TuxCopter

@Downgoat Probably

quartata

22:50

@TuxCopter stop picking on my typo capabilities

undergroundmonorail

One time I saw a defcon talk where they tore apart ransomware to see how it worked, and one of them had a bug that makes it throw away the encryption key

or something like that

so not even the person who wrote it can give you back access to your files

DrMcMoylex

From what I heard they're not going to pay it, they're just gonna re install windows and roll with it

trichoplax

@DrMcMoylex Some of the ransomware is already cracked, so it's worth them searching for solutions online before paying a ransom

Downgoat

Also Firefoxes animations aren't very smooth. (e.g. loading circle, tab open, etc.)

TuxCopter

???

Downgoat

22:52

i.e. FF is bloat and slow

at least fror me

idk

quartata

This is true

Downgoat

safari is very fast

quartata

This is not true

TuxCopter

What kind of 20-years old computer do you have

quartata

Honestly though who cares what browser someone uses as long as it's Chrome

2

TuxCopter

22:53

@quartata You typo'd Firefox

Downgoat

@TuxCopter this one:

TuxCopter

Why do you have a Macbook ಠ_ಠ

Downgoat

because unlike windows, I can run make :P

Alex A.

@quartata I actually have had no issues with speed on Safari. It's always been quite fast for me.

DrMcMoylex

I've been toying around with opera for a while, but I think I'm going back to chrome

TuxCopter

22:54

@Downgoat make work fine with Win

Downgoat

i think 99% of people who shit on safari have never use safari in last 5 years

Alex A.

@DrMcMoylex I thought Opera died 20 years ago

Downgoat

@TuxCopter yeah with kuldge on top of kludge on top of kludge

and then sometime still bork

Alex A.

@Downgoat Probably true. It's actually fairly nice.

quartata

I actually still use Opera on certain machines.

Chrome has no PowerPC version

DrMcMoylex

22:54

@AlexA. Apparently not

quartata

I'm talking the old school Opera not this new shit that's basically just Chromium

trichoplax

Midori?

quartata

JS support is bad.

At least last I checked

Alex A.

Who needs browsers anyway. Just curl everything.

DrMcMoylex

My friends swears Opera is the greatest browser ever, so I tried it out to humor him. Overall it's not that bad, but there are some minor annoyances

quartata

22:55

Don't tell him it's just Chrome nowadays

mınxomaτ

@AlexA. Just call the server admin and let them fax you the website content

6

Alex A.

The next generation of browser technology

DrMcMoylex

@mınxomaτ A good solution, but the js support is terrible

mınxomaτ

Who needs JS anyway

TuxCopter

Yeah, HTML + CSS is already TC

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