The Nineteenth Byte

TuxCopter

11:21

quiet

betseg

Too quiet

TuxCopter

stackoverflow.com/a/215422/5257938 is not the accepted answer ಠ_____ಠ

Anonymous

@Maltysen Turns out there's an actual term for that: multiple dispatch (and a whole host of Python libraries for it)

Maltysen

@Mego but none of them are as golfed as mine :P

Anonymous

Probably not :P

Anonymous

11:36

Whether or not that is a positive quality is yet to be seen

Shebang

12:16

Good morning ;)

TuxCopter

Good afternoon

(Timezones FTW)

betseg

@TuxCopter 24000 rep wow

TuxCopter

?

Jon Skeet have 904790 rep

Nathan Merrill

what's a synonym for "OneToOne" or "Mapping"?

TuxCopter

A map?

A dictionary?

Nathan Merrill

12:21

I'm trying to avoid terms that indicate "I store objects"

feersum

bijective?

Nathan Merrill

ah, that's what I'm looking for

thanks

Shebang

12:35

Ah, ProjectEuler has gone down in the middle of doing a question :/

Lembik

13:06

hi all

betseg

@TuxCopter not from one answer

El'endia Starman

@Shebang That could qualify as a horror film. :P

TuxCopter

@betseg Ah the rep earned in one answer

Lembik

everyone is offering massive bounties these days ! codegolf.stackexchange.com/?tab=featured

bounty inflation...

TuxCopter

bountyflation

Lembik

13:14

I feel the system should have warned me "Your bounty will be ignored as all the others are higher currently" :)

TuxCopter

Wow 6 featured questions

Lembik

and sum the bounties!

someone could get very rich :)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@quartata @ConorO'Brien orchestral demodemopan

Downgoat

This is cool: webkit.org/blog/6978/javascript-internationalization-api

TuxCopter

@Downgoat That's nice

Kritixi Lithos

13:26

@Lembik Let's call Bobo Fett, the bounty hunter

Laikoni

This meta post title made me laugh: Should we be flagging so many questions as duplicates? [duplicate]

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Kritixi Lithos

And this meta post: why someone cancell the post in codegolf list for low quality?

TimmyD

Someone complains I spend too much time on se? I don't believe him... Let's go ask on se... Delicious irony :) — WernerCD yesterday

Geobits

Yeah, The Workplace gets a lot of mind-bogglingly common sense questions imo.

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Q: why someone cancell the post in codegolf list for low quality?

I think the answer in codegolf question (as the questions and in meta, here too) are not that low quality to put -1 in them. If there is something wrong one can always execute that code for see if it is ok. Instead I find not ok and low quality one restricted number of people bully the ones that ...

TimmyD

13:38

> Common sense is not so common. -- Voltaire, Dictionnaire Philosophique (1764)

Geobits

@NewMetaPosts Why you so slow this morning? Wake up!

Kritixi Lithos

This proves @NewMetaPosts is a person

TuxCopter

> morning

timezone-needed

Geobits

@TuxCopter SE home time zone. It's morning.

Fatalize

> utc time 13:39

El'endia Starman

13:40

This is fascinating:

The WALKING WATER Mystery (in SPACE and SLOW MOTION!) - Smarter Every Day 160

►

Geobits

@Fatalize The feedbots don't live with you. They live with SE, so it's morning to them. I was talking to a feedbot, so I used morning. I don't see how this is confusing :P

Fatalize

@Geobits That's the time indicated in the dropdown menu of SE

checkmate

Geobits

That's just because they're courteous. SE is definitely in a morning time zone right now.

Notice they had to label that with a time zone, since it's different.

Fatalize

They are also in a timezone where November 1st never happens

Geobits

True. October 32nd was a mean trick.

Kritixi Lithos

13:43

So today's October 35?

Geobits

Nah, it's November 4th now. Just couldn't have the 1st sneaking in there.

TuxCopter

No, you need to subtract 2016 days since 1st November never happened

Poke

@TuxCopter It hasn't never happened; it just didn't happen this time.

TuxCopter

:O

Yodle

361 days until our site design

Kritixi Lithos

13:54

Trying to develop JGolf gives me a headache

Geobits

> Remember remember, the first of November. The design that we haven't got. I see no reason, despite all our pleadin', that our site should stay so forgot.

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feersum

What guarantee do we have that November will even be a month next year?

Geobits

Haha, some of you still think there will be a next year.

Kritixi Lithos

Whaaaat?

Geobits

Oh, you haven't heard? Uh, never mind then.

>_>

TimmyD

14:03

@Geobits Well, the Cubs did win the World Series ...

Geobits

All the signs are there...

Kritixi Lithos

What signs?

Geobits

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

of graduation

Kritixi Lithos

@TimmyD It's funny it is called the "World Series" when it is only in 'Murica

TimmyD

14:04

Cubs win the World Series, PPCG gets its design, Trump becomes President ...

Kritixi Lithos

TimmyD

@KritixiLithos Hey, there's one team from Canada ...

Geobits

Two?

Oh wait, Montreal is a no.

>_>

TimmyD

Yeah, they moved to Washington, DC to become the Nationals about 10 years ago or so.

Geobits

I haven't watched baseball in a while lol

TuxCopter

14:08

I haven't watched baseball since I am born lol

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Downgoat

@TuxCopter s/am/was/ :P

Kritixi Lithos

@Downgoat I didn't know :P was a flag

Fatalize

It seems like the thing Baseball fans find the most exciting are stats. Doesn't really give a good impression about the entertainment value of that sport.

Geobits

@Downgoat Sam was what?

TuxCopter

Sam was :P

DrMcMoylex

14:11

Sam I am

Geobits

@Fatalize I dunno. It might be like that now, but I don't know many baseball fans now. Growing up, my dad watched a lot, and he liked watching for the game. He could name off stats, sure, but that's true of most sports fans in my experience.

It's pretty much been overtaken by football (the egg shaped one) though, at least in my part of the country.

TimmyD

@Geobits Handegg

4

Fatalize

Armoured rugby

Geobits

Yeah, I just can't bring myself to call it that lol.

It's like saying 'sportsball'. Fine if you want to sound like a snarky ass, but otherwise... :P

Downgoat

@DrMcMoylex .__________. R u Dj mc mayhem, dr ham jam, dr Seuss, cat in hat, or Sam

TuxCopter

14:16

It's DrSamJam

Downgoat

:O

TuxCopter

Or DrHamSam

TimmyD

@Geobits Go Sportsball team! Move that thing to the other thing! Yay! I'm excited because the team I root for did stuff!

Downgoat

> DrMcMoylex

Fatalize

Kickers in Football are the only ones actually using their foot with the ball, but are also paradoxically the ones that don't take part in the main action of Football

Geobits

14:17

DrDJMcMaySamJamMoyHamlex

Dennis

DrCatDrawnByGoat

3

DrMcMoylex

Oh dear...

TuxCopter

@Dennis @DrMcMoylex name-change-request

betseg

Dr Ham Jam's real name Sam? :O

DrMcMoylex

Nope

Downgoat

14:18

@betseg no, he is Sam

Kritixi Lithos

D[rJ]Mc(May)?[SM]am(Moy)?(Hamlex)?

TimmyD

@Fatalize The thing I find most entertaining is the momentum shifts and the psychological dynamic between the pitcher and the batter. By far my favorite parts of games are the long at-bats, like where the batter can get the pitcher into 10, 12, 15 pitches.

feersum

10 pitches to 1 batter is possible?

DrMcMoylex

Theoretically any number of pitches is possible

As long as they keep fouling

TimmyD

Definitely. Since the Golden Era, a foul ball doesn't increase the strike count past two unless it was a bunt attempt.

Fatalize

14:22

@TimmyD I understood some of those words

Kritixi Lithos

#AmericaVsTheRestOfTheWorld

Downgoat

@DrMcMoylex wat I thought 3 foul and ur out

DrMcMoylex

@Fatalize if you hit the ball but it goes to the wrong place, you get to try again

Fatalize

My baseball knowledge mostly comes from Hey Arnold! and that Samurai Champloo episode

DrMcMoylex

@Downgoat s/foul/strike

Kritixi Lithos

14:23

I only know baseball from Wii Sports

Downgoat

Foul =/= strike?

feersum

How can you read the batter's mind and know if they intended to bunt?

TuxCopter

I think the only sentence I understood in this conversation is Fatalize's sentences

mınxomaτ

I only know baseball from very badly dubbed and very mediocre in general TV movies from my childhood.

DrMcMoylex

@Downgoat Like Timmy said, a foul counts as a strike, but it can't count as the third strike

Downgoat

14:24

Wat

That's dumb

Kritixi Lithos

Baseball's dumb

Fatalize

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Q: Why does a foul ball not count as a third strike?

From the Wikipedia entry for foul ball A strike is issued for the batter if he had fewer than two strikes ... A strike is, however, recorded for the pitcher for every foul ball the batter hits, regardless of the count. Why isn´t the batter struck out if he hits a foul ball while he alre...

rules baseball

TimmyD

@Fatalize Starting from home plate (where the batter stands) there are two lines going out at a 90-degree angle. When the batter hits the ball, everything* inside the 90-degree arc is considered in-play. If the batter hits the ball outside that arc, it's a foul.

DrMcMoylex

Really? I think it makes sense. Why should you strike out if you actually hit the ball?

Fatalize

> This is mostly to encourage more at bats to end with a ball in play

TimmyD

14:25

@Fatalize Correct.

Fatalize

@TimmyD From what I've seen 90+% of throws are not even touched by the batter, which is kind of why a lot of people find Baseball boring af I would assume

TimmyD

It's a compromise between the dead-ball era (where every foul was a strike, and hence it was very difficult to score) and the WWII era (where no fouls were strikes).

DrMcMoylex

I didn't realize baseball was that unpopular in this room

Geobits

@Fatalize That's like saying soccer is boring because 90% of the kicks aren't touched by the goalie >_>

TimmyD

Yeah. I also wouldn't say it's that high of a percentage.

feersum

14:30

So if you have 2 strikes, you try to knock all the pitches sideways to make the pitcher get tired?

Geobits

Not generally. You'd still rather hit the ball and put it in play.

feersum

But if the pitcher's too tired to throw, everyone can hit the ball

Fatalize

@Geobits Not exactly, because they are still touched by other players and things are happening. In Baseball it seems that no one does anything while the batter misses (I know that players on a base can go to the other base at any moment if they don't get touched but I doubt this happens frequently)

Geobits

@feersum Or you bring in another pitcher ;)

Kritixi Lithos

Cricket's more popular than baseball

feersum

14:32

But there is only a finite number of pitchers.

Fatalize

So you just need an infinite number of batters to tire them all

feersum

And only 2 or 3 people know how to pitch, right? While everyone knows how to bat.

Geobits

@Fatalize Think about it in reverse. In baseball, it's one on one until a hit is made. Then the team comes into it. In soccer, it's team oriented until it's headed to the goal.

Poke

I didn't know the bunt part

lulz

Geobits

@feersum There are more like 12-13 (total)

TimmyD

14:33

@feersum Well, but if you foul the ball, you can't advance, either. So, it's an incentive for the pitcher to pitch a "good" throw, and the batter to put the ball into play.

Fatalize

@Geobits Which is why I think it's boring: the one-on-one part where little is happening is the vast majority of the game in Baseball

Geobits

@Fatalize A lot of people (that I know) would say the boring part of soccer is the non-scoring parts, so it's just a matter of taste I guess.

TimmyD

That's the fascinating part, and the big mental game. What was the pitcher's previous pitch? Will he throw that style again? Odds are saying that he'll throw a fastball, but last inning so-and-so hit a fastball for a homerun and scored, so maybe he'll throw something different.

This particular batter likes pitches that are down low, so the pitcher will try to keep the ball up high and make the batter miss.

Etc.

> Baseball is 90 percent mental and the other half is physical. -- Yogi Berra (allegedly)

Geobits

Yogi Berra was 90 percent mental

TimmyD

He didn't say half the things he said.

Geobits

14:37

At least

Fatalize

@TimmyD Just seems to be a difference in interests between "american sports" and "european" sports. Take Baseball/Handegg VS Football/Rugby. Sports where everything is planned as opposed to sports where there is an overall game plan but most actions are "improvized"

Kritixi Lithos

> 90% of quotes on the Internet are false- Albert Einstein, discoverer of gravity

TimmyD

@Fatalize Yeah. I watched college rugby (my roommate for two years was a prop), and found it better than handegg, but still rather boring. Football (soccer) is the same way, to me. Other than baseball, the only sports I'll watch on television are golf (for the same mental reasons), hockey (like football (soccer) but faster and on ice), or the Olympics.

Fatalize

I can't imagine any reason that would get me to watch golf

Kritixi Lithos

@Fatalize code golf

Fatalize

14:43

I don't like hockey because most of the time you don't see the puck and thus have no idea wtf is going on

TimmyD

Yeah. Until you get used to the movements of the players (and can therefore discern where the puck is located) or they're using one of those chipped pucks that have a yellow overlay on camera, it can be confusing to watch.

DrMcMoylex

I like American football. I don't watch it a lot right now, but I do enjoy it a lot

Geobits

I watch enough of it to carry casual conversations, because I live in the southern US. It's hard to avoid.

Fatalize

I don't like the hyperspecialization in american football

In particular I don't even understand how penalty kickers can miss when it's the only single thing they have to do all game and they are always in front of the posts

Kritixi Lithos

I live in Europe. Nobody gives a **** about American football.

DrMcMoylex

14:47

I could understand that complaint. Really baseball has the same thing

Geobits

@Fatalize I assume you mean extra point (or PAT) kicker? There aren't penalty kicks in American football.

Fatalize

I mean the guys that score the extra point and the guy that scores when they decide to kick at the 4th down

TimmyD

@Fatalize It's exceedingly rare for an extra-point kick to be missed. But usually field goals (what I'm assuming you mean as penalty kick) are kicked from 30-40 yards out.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@KritixiLithos I live in America. Everybody gives a **** about who won the super bowl, and besides that only about 1/2 of the population care.

Geobits

Yeah, kicking an oblong ball straight for 40 yards isn't that easy :D

Fatalize

14:51

That's not that much

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

have you tried kicking those things?

it's really annoying, they always fly in just the wrong direction

Geobits

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ What part? I can assure you it's a lot higher than 50% where I'm at :P

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

so cal

Geobits

@Fatalize I don't see too many soccer balls kicked in from 40m, and those are round :P

Fatalize

40 yards is 36 meters (thanks google), there are often 50 meters penalty scored in Rugby, and the guy that scores it has other things to do in the game

TimmyD

14:52

They're almost always kicked at an angle, too, because of where the ball was last grounded.

Fatalize

And in Rugby the ball is not necessarily in front of the posts

Geobits

What are the time constraints on a rugby penalty kick? For a field goal, the other team is trying to block you, and will within a few seconds.

Fatalize

Granted the ball is different so kicking a football is probably slightly more difficult, but since that's literally the only thing they have to do…

@Geobits 1 minute max before kicking usually

TimmyD

Don't rugby penalty kicks also go from a stand, rather than being held by another player?

DrMcMoylex

@Fatalize FWIW most kickers rarely miss. And there are a lot of factors making it harder. A Poor snap, high pressure, defense blocking it, wind, etc.

Geobits

14:56

Yeah, it seems like a big difference to me. I'm sure during practice when a field goal kicker is just out there kicking with no defense rushing, etc, he can make basically all of his kicks.

Fatalize

@TimmyD Yes. Which brings an even more ridiculous position in football: the guy that holds the ball for the kicker

feersum

Kicking a field goal on a day with high barometric pressure is the worst.

DrMcMoylex

That's not a position. Usually it's someone else who has a different position

Geobits

Yeah, usually the punter or backup quarterback.

TimmyD

@Fatalize Usually that's a running back or punter or the like. Almost never is it a dedicated position.

feersum

14:58

Does any team have that position?

Geobits

Not that I know of, but I can't say it authoritatively.

If a team wasted a roster spot on that, it would just hurt them overall I'd think.

TimmyD

Patricia Palinkas

Patricia "Pat" Palinkas (née Barzi, born 1943) is credited as the first and, until Katie Hnida signed with the Fort Wayne Firehawks in 2010, only woman to play American football professionally in a league made predominately of men. She was a placekick holder for her husband Steven Palinkas for the minor league (or semi-professional, depending on the source) Orlando Panthers in the Atlantic Coast Football League. She attended Northern Illinois University. == Career == At the time of Mr. and Mrs. Palinkas's signing with Orlando, the team was in severe financial straits, having lost thousand...

feersum

Yes!

Geobits

Does any team have that position now though :P

That was one year, over 40 years ago lol

Fatalize

I've seen once a play where the holder ran with the ball to touchdown after a fake-kick. Probably not a good idea to try that if your holder is a woman againt men

Geobits

15:02

Right, that's why some teams use a backup quarterback. So if they decide to fake, they have someone who can still run/pass if needed.

Others use a punter just because he doesn't have much else to do.

Fatalize

Anyway, football would be enjoyable if there were no ads except between halftime

Geobits

I think that's pretty much true of all sports, but we must appease our corporate overlords.

Fatalize

Well most sports don't have ads between play…

Geobits

You clearly don't watch tv in the US

TimmyD

Yeah, football players are big guys. I'm a relatively big guy myself, 6' 280 (1.82m 127kg), and I feel like a little kid next to the handful of players I've had a chance to meet.

Fatalize

15:04

I mean they don't put ads during a game of soccer do they? (except during halftime obviously)

Geobits

@Fatalize Yes. Yes they do :/

Fatalize

…what

Geobits

I don't know of any sport that's shown ad-free here.

Fatalize

What happens if a team scores during an ad? Do people not care?

Geobits

> we must appease our corporate overlords.

Fatalize

15:06

Simple solution that exist here: ads on the pitch and on jerseys

TimmyD

The ads are all between plays. There was a report a few years ago that the average handegg game is about 3 hours long, has only 11 minutes of actual on-field play/action, and roughly 100 commercial advertisements.

Geobits

For some things with continuous action (like soccer) they just delay it. Not skip the game during ads, just pause the playback.

Fatalize

@TimmyD Sure but what about sports that have continuous play?

Geobits

Other times they'll actually skip it, but then back it up if there was a score or something interesting during the break.

TimmyD

Yeah, or skip over it and do a highlight after if something happened.

Geobits

15:08

But they never just don't do ad breaks.

flawr

nice intro post on H.264 compression

TimmyD

@flawr Get outta here with that on-topic code-stuff. We're trying to have a conversation about sports. :p

Fatalize

But… but code sports

Geobits

Yay Code Sport!

Fatalize

15:31

I will never understand people that accept your answer and don't upvote it on SO

Then again I will never understand how voting works on SO in general

Erik the Golfer

15:42

@Fatalize If it's of bad quality, but it solved OP's problem, it will be accepted and downvoted, for example.

mınxomaτ

Adobe is working on "VoCo", a "photoshop for voice" that would make it possible to imitate just about any human voice. I hope they release it as an addon to Audition and not as a standalone thing.

RosLuP

Because in codegolf win more short, but I not like languages I not understand

orlp

are you guys familiar with super mario maker?

I'm wondering if it's possible to construct a mario level in such a way that even knowing exactly how the level works, it's impossible to solve it without having some hidden information

e.g. the prime factorization of a large composite number

feersum

There's a paper about encoding 3-SAT in mario levels

So should be easy fgrom there.

orlp

@feersum that's not enough

feersum

15:54

Sure it is.

orlp

in order for you to be able to upload a super mario maker level, you must be able to complete it yourself

so we need an information gap

someone with some extra hidden information can easily solve the level

(e.g. the prime factorization)

but someone without that information can't

feersum

So you pick a number that you generated yourself?

I don't see the issue.

orlp

how do you generate a boolean satisfiability problem to which you know the solution, but others do not? that's not a trivial thing

also there's a difference

between determining whether a super mario maker is solvable

and actually solving it

feersum

You construct an instance that's satisfied IFF certain of the variables encode two factors.

orlp

that's probably an incredibly large instance

super mario maker has a limited playing field

feersum

15:57

How limited?

orlp

@feersum I don't know exactly, but some people online said 2 screens high, 24 screens wide

feersum

I don't know what that means but it sounds smallish

orlp

@feersum for the record, I am aware of NP-hard proofs of mario

feersum

You might not be able to fit in a non-brute-forceable SAT instance.

orlp

but that is only as N grows big

I'm talking an actual practical level that you could upload as-is to the super mario maker servers

including the size limits

without size limits you can basically write a level that computes the SHA-256 of some input and opens a door if it fits some check, making the level as hard as breaking SHA-256 preimage

Mitch Schwartz

16:03

people taking the time to read and test your code is worthless. it's much more valuable if they just gloss over it and expend the zero effort it takes to give it an upvote

Nathan Merrill

16:21

good idea. Let's also automatically deploy all code pushed, and say "good job"!

orlp

@NathanMerrill good job!

mınxomaτ

Hm. Our government just arrived at the decision to implement laws that allow the BND (our Federal Intelligence Service) to run NSA-like surveillance programs. The only thing that could stop this now is a veto from the President, which is probably not going to happen.

The respective changes to the current laws are expected to be announced this year.

Kritixi Lithos

@mınxomaτ Which government?

mınxomaτ

Germany.

betseg

16:36

We're drifting into a dystopian world.

mınxomaτ

The BfV (Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution) already implemented NSA-owned appliances (XKeyscore etc.) at German internet exchanges such as DE-CIX. This new law (called Foreign-Foreign-Intelligence) allows the BND to target both citizens and other EU traffic.

Yodle

Very unfortunate

Wait did that message duplicate

betseg

> and other EU traffic

ಠ_ಠ

Kritixi Lithos

It duplicated!

mınxomaτ

The law proposal is actually public. Section "C" is titled "Alternatives". It literally just says "None".

TimmyD

16:40

Well then.

Shebang

Anyone here attempted projecteuler.net/problem=576 ?

betseg

;_;

Shebang

I wonder how that got messed up

El'endia Starman

@betseg I see the same.

@Shebang Not I. Also, apparently no one has solved it so far.

Shebang

@El'endiaStarman They're having DB issues, it says that for every question :)

TimmyD

16:45

IE11 ftw

betseg

> Desktop ftw

El'endia Starman

@Shebang Oh, I didn't know that.

betseg

FTFY

flawr

@mınxomaτ That reminds me: Switzerland did just a similar thing.

mbomb007

@betseg One person's utopia is another's dystopia.

TimmyD

16:48

@betseg Displays fine on my Windows Phone :p

Kritixi Lithos

WINDOWS PHONE?

Shebang

Windows Phone is pretty nice

@El'endiaStarman Actually looks like it's fixed now, looks like you're right

betseg

Probably 10th time or so I've ever seen a person using WP.

Kritixi Lithos

@Shebang Limited applications

mbomb007

@Shebang edherhead

trichoplax

16:56

We now have SE.SE

Software Engineering

betseg

Yay I answered Project Euler question 1

DrMcMoylex

Pronounced "say-say"

mbomb007

Worth a laugh: This user's profile description contains jokes

> Q: What do eagles and bicycles have in common? A: Handlebars. Except for the eagle.

lol

betseg

Anti-joke

mbomb007

Anti-joke ~ joke

trichoplax

16:59

Was hoping for programming jokes...

mbomb007

@trichoplax Just Google "A foo walked into a bar", and you'll get lots of results

muddyfish

@mbomb007 that crashed my browser

Yodle

17:18

Just got a bytecount of 360 (noscope)

DrMcMoylex

> A Linux programmer walks into a bar, orders some food, and asks for a fork. The second programmer asks for a fork. The third programmer asks for a fork. The fourth programmer asks for a fork...

Yodle

while(forks.supply > 0) fork();

mınxomaτ

@Yodle Assuming the supply is never negative, you can lose the comparison.

Geobits

Depends on the language ;)

quartata

@DrMcMoylex Can't tell if fork() joke or dining philosopher joke

I think it's the former

flawr

17:25

spoon().knife()

mınxomaτ

Spife. Or knoon?

Geobits

spoof?

betseg

An asynchronous process into bars a walk.

mınxomaτ

> Spife – Spoon and Knife. Commonly referred to as "Pipina"

Geobits

Multiple bars?

mınxomaτ

17:27

Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

Geobits

Singular 'walk'?

betseg

The suffix is messed up too.

Kritixi Lithos

Guys, I need some help. For this challenge, I got this code. I need help on shortening numbers such as 123.456789M to 123.4M

Anonymous

@flawr I see you are familiar with knifey-spooney

TimmyD

17:43

@betseg And all ten of them were me, in this chat room. :D

Downgoat

i

TimmyD

Can't tell if "I" or upside-down exclamation point ...

flawr

@Mego :D

DrMcMoylex

@TimmyD 'i' vs '¡'

TimmyD

@DrMcMoylex Sure, when surrounded by other characters, you can more easily see the distinction in height. But when by itself, it's harder to tell.

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17:49

@TimmyD one of them was in the secondary school, two of them were in the high school, and 2 or 3 were on buses etc

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@betseg Oh dear, that's just all sorts of confusing.

@Downgoat Petition to re-name that character a downbang.

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Dotless?

Smallcaps?

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Interesting. I learned something today.

Holy dang! A Cellphone's Missing Dot Kills Two People, Puts Three More in Jail

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17:59

Sounds like a script for an early Black Mirror episode.

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