The Nineteenth Byte

mınxomaτ

17:02

I would really like to see a modern text editor adopt a vertical menu. I mean, widescreen is pretty much the standard. The amount of vertical space in GDocs is really low (taskbar, URL bar, toolbar etc. at eat away at that). It's been a long time since I've used iWork Pages, but I think that had something like that.

Yep. That just makes more sense.

Poke

I'd like to see less ribbons and more menus

think office 2003

TimmyD

Menus suck, ribbons are much better.

Poke

I strongly disagree

to this day i still have trouble navigating ribbons

Mitch Schwartz

helpful paperclips are better than menus or ribbons

Poke

i'd be ok with an opt-in feature

aw clippy :[

mınxomaτ

17:05

Early ribbons really made no sense. But if you have lots of smart controls, like in the latest Excel, it's pretty useful.

But Excel handles more horizontal media. I think Word should have to option to use a vertical ribbon (exclusively), like in Pages.

TimmyD

Ribbon Hero

Ribbon Hero is a video game developed by Microsoft Office Labs. The game is available as a free download and serves to educate users of Microsoft Office 2007 and 2010 how to use the ribbon interface. It is followed by the sequel, Ribbon Hero 2. == Gameplay == Ribbon Hero appears on the Ribbon in the supported Microsoft Office programs. Once opened, it lists challenges in four sections: working with text, page design and layout, getting artistic, and quick points. Each challenge is designed to teach the user a feature of Microsoft Office, and opens an example document which the user must edit using...

mınxomaτ

If you need a game to teach people to use your UI, you failed to create a useful UI.

Poke

I'm surprised such a thing exists but I agree with @mınxomaτ

TuxCopter

an useful*

Poke

"a useful" is correct

TimmyD

17:09

> Microsoft intended Solitaire "to soothe people intimidated by the operating system," and at a time where many users were still unfamiliar with graphical user interfaces, it proved useful in familiarizing them with the use of a mouse, such as the drag-and-drop technique required for moving cards.

TuxCopter

huh

TimmyD

From the Wiki for Microsoft Solitaire.

mınxomaτ

@TuxCopter A useful. Although U is a vowel, the pronunciation of useful begins with a Y sound (yoos-ful) which is a consonant sound.

Geobits

Unless you pronounce it 'ooseful' for some reason o_O

TuxCopter

then nvm

mınxomaτ

17:10

@TimmyD That's hilarious.

Poke

same goes for unicorn and eunuch

@Geobits you use eclipse or intellij?

Geobits

@mınxomaτ Evolution sucks then. We still use games to learn our own interface as children ;)

@Poke I've used both, but Eclipse more often recently.

TuxCopter

You should use vim

Poke

I usually use eclipse but I've been exploring intellij to see if it might compliment my workflow better

Geobits

@TuxCopter That wasn't the question. Geez, spotting vim users is like spotting crossfitters.

Poke

17:12

any neat tips you're aware of?

TimmyD

@mınxomaτ Hilarious or not, it was effective.

mınxomaτ

There's a vim-ish text editor that even comes with Clippy: kakoune.org

TimmyD

@Geobits Or vegetarians.

Poke

@TuxCopter I do use vim but I try not to rely on it as an IDE

Geobits

@Poke Not in particular, no.

Using vim for Java is a ludicrous idea anyway.

TuxCopter

17:14

Why?

Geobits

Because reasons

TuxCopter

If the problem is the boilerplate you can make templates

TimmyD

Using ~~vim for~~ Java is a ludicrous idea anyway. ... Using vim ~~for Java~~ is a ludicrous idea anyway.

Works both ways.

Doorknob

@Geobits Checking in (re-)learning Java in vim. No problems here :)

TuxCopter

@TimmyD ಠ_ಠ for the second

Kritixi Lithos

17:15

I use vim for Java

TuxCopter

I use vim for everything

Geobits

@Doorknob Well it's not a problem to wash clothes in a tub by the river either, but you just don't have to any more :P

TimmyD

Does vim have a game to teach its UI? QED.

Poke

@TuxCopter If you're making templates/macros you're defeating the point of using an IDE

@TimmyD there is vimtutor

Kritixi Lithos

www.openvim.com <-- Online vim tutorial

TuxCopter

17:16

I learned most vim commands by accidentally destructing a file >_>

Kritixi Lithos

Lol

mınxomaτ

May 15 at 23:58, by mınxomaτ

@Dennis You can cut bread with a spork and "never have any issues". Doesn't mean there's not a better way :P

Geobits

^ this guy gets it

TimmyD

@mınxomaτ Or the infomercial where the person is cutting it with a doorstop.

Kritixi Lithos

I use vim for developing JGolf because I use a bash script for it

TuxCopter

17:19

I use vim mostly because it make me look smart

Geobits

> I use vim mostly because I think it makes me look smart

FTFY

TuxCopter

And also because it's powerful

Geobits

Using vim makes you look smart like driving a stick makes you look mechanically inclined.

TimmyD

PowerShell is powerful. Doesn't mean I use it for all my golfs. Oh, wait...

mınxomaτ

@Geobits Except the world is bigger than the US and there are countries where this is pretty much the standard. I don't know of a vim country though.

Kritixi Lithos

17:22

IntelliJ Idea is better than Eclipse (although I have only used it for Android)

DJMcMayhem

ಠ_ಠ Do we have to flamewar?

TuxCopter

vim is better than IntelliJ idea

Kritixi Lithos

No it's not

TuxCopter

Yes it is

Geobits

@mınxomaτ This is a good point. I've lived in a few countries, but only in automatic-majority ones so far.

Poke

17:23

@KritixiLithos What tips/benefits are there to using intellij over eclipse?

mınxomaτ

@TuxCopter That's not even comparable by any measure.

Kritixi Lithos

@Poke Auto-completion

Geobits

Eclipse has auto-completion though...

Poke

eclipse does have the intellisense-like popup

mınxomaτ

@Geobits Didn't you say you lived in Germany as a child? It's all manual here. In higher class cars (like R-line and up), it's slowly changing.

Kritixi Lithos

17:24

But IntelliJ's auto-completion is better than Eclipse

DJMcMayhem

@Geobits I use vim and drive stick. Do I win?

TuxCopter

Eclipse's auto-completition is ********bad********

Kritixi Lithos

^

Geobits

@mınxomaτ Yeah, I didn't drive much at that point, so I didn't really notice what they were using.

@DJMcMayhem Nope. I can't even tell you how much nope :P

Kritixi Lithos

Even in Denmark most cars are manual

Poke

17:25

@TuxCopter I haven't really had a problem with it. Another thing I like is have the little javadocs popup. Is there a way to get this in intellij?

Geobits

Yeah, the javadocs popup is nice.

TuxCopter

idk the only time I used IntelliJ is made weird things

It wanted to update with an inexistant Mercurial repo so it crashed

Kritixi Lithos

I used IntelliJ for Android dev

DJMcMayhem

Too much nope

TuxCopter

?

Kritixi Lithos

17:26

Eclipse's auto-completion made me cry

Geobits

@KritixiLithos Yeah, I use it for that, too. Android Studio has come a long way since the early Eclipse plugin days.

mınxomaτ

VS+R# or Rider do have awesome assistant tools for C#. VS+R# even has pretty useful auto-completion for C++

TuxCopter

R#?

Kritixi Lithos

Eclipse is not recommended for Android development anymore

TuxCopter

.NET version of R?

betseg

17:27

How ya doin

Geobits

@KritixiLithos I know... that's pretty much what I said ;)

TuxCopter

@betseg fᴥ

mınxomaτ

@TuxCopter Resharper, a code analysis platform.

TuxCopter

Ahk

betseg

@TuxCopter polar bear?

TuxCopter

17:28

Letter 'ain'

mınxomaτ

Looks like omega from here

Kritixi Lithos

@Geobits Have you heard of the ConstraintLayout? It seems pretty amazing and the layout editing is better than even, or so I've heard.

TuxCopter

Geobits

@KritixiLithos Heard of it, but haven't played with it. Haven't done much in Android since it was introduced :(

Kritixi Lithos

@Geobits Me neither... I can't wait for the holidays to play around with Android Studio 2.2!

Geobits

17:31

I guess I need a Pixel for playing around with the new OS on... Oh darn >_>

betseg

I want to make a no-deadline bounty for Alphafuck, something like "Answer a question with Alphafuck using proper English grammar.". This ok?

Kritixi Lithos

Isn't there the AVD for Android 7.1?

Poke

@Geobits looks like you can get the javadoc popup

betseg

(after a proper readme ofc)

Poke

it's in the settings

Geobits

17:32

Anybody have experience dying clothes? Wondering how long it's going to take to turn a white cotton tee bright-ass orange. It's been about half an hour so far.

@KritixiLithos Hush. I want a new phone anyway :P

TuxCopter

@betseg You could add AlphaFuck to Showcase your language?

Nathan Merrill

better idea: guess what costume geobits is making

TuxCopter

A downvote

Geobits

@NathanMerrill That's actually not a bad idea. It might take a while to guess though.

El'endia Starman

@TuxCopter Those are blue, not orange.

Kritixi Lithos

17:35

@Geobits The Pixel is so amazing. But it hasn't released to Europe yet :(

Nathan Merrill

@Geobits is it living?

Geobits

@El'endiaStarman Well, they're orange on AskUbuntu, but... :P

TuxCopter

^

Geobits

@NathanMerrill You're going to hate me for saying this, but it depends on what you mean by 'living'.

El'endia Starman

@Geobits Nearly Headless Horseman?

Geobits

17:36

nope

Nathan Merrill

jack o lantern

it was alive

Geobits

It's a fictional character. So not 'living', but in-universe it would be considered living.

Kritixi Lithos

Zombie

Nathan Merrill

ah ok

bah, I don't know my marvel/dc

Geobits

Not an issue, since neither would help with this.

Kritixi Lithos

17:39

Nazgul?

Geobits

nope

Nathan Merrill

hero, side character, or villain?

Geobits

main protagonist

Kritixi Lithos

Book or movie?

Geobits

Uhh.... both?

Kritixi Lithos

17:41

Time to use brute force A?

AA

AAA?

Nathan Merrill

Nemo!

oh, not a book

Geobits

@KritixiLithos Luckily there's an exponentially backing timer on guesses :P

@NathanMerrill And no

Nathan Merrill

movie animated or acted?

El'endia Starman

James and the Giant Peach?

Geobits

@NathanMerrill Has been both, but animated is far more well-known.

Far more

@El'endiaStarman Nope

Kritixi Lithos

17:43

...
The fox from dora the explorer?

Geobits

Swiper? Nope

Nathan Merrill

main protagonist

simba?

Geobits

nope

Kritixi Lithos

When was the animated film released?

Poke

Is your character a food?

Geobits

17:45

@Poke no

El'endia Starman

Tigger maybe?

Yodle

Are we playing 20 questions?

Geobits

@KritixiLithos Impossible to say. There have been many, over the course of multiple decades

@Yodle No, restricting to yes/no questions would drag this on too long.

@El'endiaStarman Sorry, this one isn't made out of rubber or springs.

El'endia Starman

@Yodle Trying to guess Geobits' Halloween costume. Clues: bright orange t-shirt, source has been a book and made into movies, both animated and acted (though the latter isn't well-known), main protagonist.

Yodle

Ah I scrolled up, we're guessing your costume :p

Geobits

17:47

Actually, you're not guessing my costume. That was an inaccurate assumption.

13 mins ago, by Nathan Merrill

better idea: guess what costume geobits is making

El'endia Starman

Oh, Minibits' costume?

Geobits

Yes

Nathan Merrill

oh, so it needs to be pop culture right now

Geobits

@NathanMerrill Hahaha, you don't know my kid very well :P

He's well acquainted with the classics

Poke

fred flinstone

Geobits

17:48

no

El'endia Starman

@NathanMerrill On the other hand, multiple films over several decades suggests that it's not pop culture.

Nathan Merrill

@Geobits I think the better term is I don't know your kid at all

TimmyD

Oh, that was a good guess, Poke.

Nathan Merrill

@El'endiaStarman I was thinking that there had been multiple version, the most recent super popular

Geobits

@NathanMerrill Well, yes :D

Emigna

17:49

Garfield?

Geobits

nope, not garfield

El'endia Starman

Aw, Garfield sounded like a really good guess.

Poke

Ernie from sesame street

Geobits

nope

Nathan Merrill

what's the primary color of this character?

is it actually orange?

Yodle

17:50

I typed in "orange protagonist" into Google expecting that to be helpful...

Got results for A Clockwork Orange

Geobits

@NathanMerrill As in skin tone? No, not orange.

Emigna

A clockwork orange - the animation :)

Nathan Merrill

@Geobits no, like, his outfit

Geobits

Yes then. Orange

Nathan Merrill

ok

quartata

17:52

@TimmyD re your comment that's what my answer is trying to do

Emigna

Kenny? (Southpark)

quartata

@PhiNotPi Beats me. No one knows what to do about popcons lol

Geobits

Nah. He's not quite old enough for south park yet.

Pietu1998

I just remembered that I got free Mathematica with my RasPi. Not gonna complain :D

quartata

Are we seriously picking Halloween costumes for you the day of?

Poke

17:53

charmander

El'endia Starman

Wait, is the character from Loony Tunes?

quartata

@Geobits

Poke

tony the tiger

Yodle

Naruto

El'endia Starman

@quartata No, we're guessing what costume he's making for Minibits.

Geobits

17:54

@Poke no and no, @El'endiaStarman no @Yodle no

TuxCopter

An orange?

quartata

Ah.

Geobits

@TuxCopter nope

quartata

What are the hints? I'm good at this

Yodle

Are there any other colors besides orange?

Geobits

17:55

@Yodle yes

Yodle

like, stripes are something

PhiNotPi

@quartata pop-con chaos!

Geobits

there are colors other than orange

Yodle

But orange is the main color

Geobits

yes

Kritixi Lithos

17:55

A tiger

Geobits

no

TimmyD

Naruto?

Geobits

no again

quartata

It's a slice of pumpkin pie with whipped cream and almonds.

Geobits

lol no

Kritixi Lithos

17:56

Is it anime?

Nathan Merrill

dreamworks?

quartata

Darn.

TuxCopter

A living orange stone?

Geobits

One of either Kritixi or Nathan was a yes just now.

TimmyD

Annoying Orange.

Nathan Merrill

17:56

-.-

Kritixi Lithos

Yugioh!

Geobits

eww no

Yodle

Digimon

Geobits

nope

Kritixi Lithos

Bakugan

El'endia Starman

17:57

@quartata Orange shirt; main protagonist; has a book; multiple movies over several decades, mostly animated.

Geobits

@KritixiLithos nope

TimmyD

Velma?

Geobits

@El'endiaStarman I'm not sure "has a book" is the best way to put that.

@TimmyD no

Yodle

Orange-colored spongebob

Geobits

nope

TuxCopter

17:57

give us a hint please

Kritixi Lithos

A pumpkin

Geobits

A hint? I've given a bunch

Emigna

Luffy?

El'endia Starman

@Yodle Actually, isn't Patrick orange?

Geobits

Ask questions if you want hints.

Nathan Merrill

17:58

Aang!

Geobits

nope

Yodle

Eh, I'd consider patrick closer to a pink

TimmyD

Goku?

Geobits

@TimmyD Took long enough. Yes. It's Goku

Poke

nemo

El'endia Starman

17:58

But Sponge Bob Square Pants isn't an anime nor was it made by Dreamworks.

Poke

tails

TimmyD

Yay

Poke

the cheetos mascot

Geobits

Umm...

Poke

crash bandicoot

Nathan Merrill

17:59

I have no idea who Goku is :/

Yodle

Dragonball z right?

El'endia Starman

@NathanMerrill Most powerful character in Dragonball Z.

Geobits

Yeah

TimmyD

Could be Dragonball.

Doesn't have to be Z.

Yodle

Ah. i've seen a few episodes, but not that familiar with it.

Poke

17:59

@Yodle shame

Geobits

It's going to be a hybrid dragonball (Z) costume. He wanted the dark blue backing shirt and bracers, but also the powerpole.

Kritixi Lithos

I've only heard on Dragon Ball Z from friends, never played it or watched it

Yodle

Well it always played on Cartoon Network, but I didn't have that at my house as a kid. Had to go over my grandma's

TimmyD

In that case, you should watch DBZ Abridged, made by Team Four Star.

PhiNotPi

@quartata Speaking of which... I might actually be in favor of pop-cons (specifically how you've outlined) being on-topic.

Poke

18:00

@Yodle Just look for the abridged series online

Yodle

Ooo @Poke they're bringing back the snow map

TimmyD

@quartata But we're not consistent even in applying that standard.

5 hours ago, by TimmyD

Like, honestly, what is the difference between Make the pattern from composition notebooks and Computer Generated Cracked Soil?

Poke

@Geobits velma

Geobits

I'm fairly sure Velma doesn't have a powerpole.

TimmyD

Well, that would certainly make Scooby Doo more interesting to watch.

Poke

18:13

well i haven't logically made it to goku yet

Geobits

@TimmyD I'm sure you can find that version online if you really want to o_o

Geobits

18:27

TIL my printer won't let me print black and white images if the magenta ink has run out :/

muddyfish

neither does my colour one

TuxCopter

@Geobits huh

TimmyD

@Geobits That's pretty common, actually. It's because the printer companies came up with this concept of a "Rick Black Ink" or something, so even printing monochrome images uses the color cartridges.

mınxomaτ

I like how a printer+scanner combo including cartridges is cheaper than replacing the cartridges themselves.

TimmyD

You're likely not getting full cartridges with the combo purchase.

mınxomaτ

18:36

I actually tested that once, they are really the same.

TimmyD

Fascinating.

Geobits

Depends on the brand most likely. I know Epson gives scant cartridges with the printer.

mınxomaτ

For some you need to press (or short out) the reset button on the cartridge to report the actual level. Some that come with printers are just set to report lower levels.

Kritixi Lithos

I barely use the printer.

TimmyD

I went with a laser for my home printer.

My inkjet that I purchased in college finally gave out, so it was time to upgrade.

Geobits

18:39

@KritixiLithos I haven't used mine in a year at least. I just got it out of the closet and plugged it in because I needed an iron-on decal.

mınxomaτ

My throw-away printer is a Canon MG2950. I also have a bigger printer for posters (Epson LFP from the SureColor series). I also still have a needle printer in my possession.

Kritixi Lithos

We are slowly moving to a paper-free era

TimmyD

I find that amazing. I print pretty regularly, just because it's way easier for me and the wife, from an organizing perspective, to have all our online purchases or receipts or documents filed in folders.

TuxCopter

nvm

TimmyD

> Same here. Running noral does the did 4 me.

From a tech forum I'm reading.

I honestly have no idea what that person is trying to say.

betseg

18:53

@TuxCopter done

TuxCopter

updooted

betseg

btw that lang doesnt have anything that is 1-byte :|

mınxomaτ

@TimmyD Maybe they meant "did the deed"

TuxCopter

You can probably do like Destructible's answer and multiply the score by 2 since the language only have character pairs

TimmyD

@mınxomaτ Ahhhhh. Yes. That makes sense in context. Thanks!

betseg

18:56

@TuxCopter makes sense.

i'll create an esolangs page to show commands

Kritixi Lithos

Baaaaaah

@betseg Or a github wiki page

betseg

btw, @KritixiLithos, i wont port AF to Java

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