The Nineteenth Byte

Nathan Merrill

18:00

queue "Are you smarter than a 5th grader"

Geobits

That show leaves me puzzled. On the one hand, I feel like the contestants are cherry picked for humor/ratings. On the other, I know a lot of people like that.

TimmyD

English education is sorely lacking in many parts, because a lot of focus is on literature. For example, in my high school, we definitely learned more about English structure when taking foreign language classes (the teacher literally boggled when half the class stared at her blankly when she was introducing verb forms like "present participle" or "imperfect" or the like).

Nathan Merrill

clearly the ideal system would be to teach the grammar for a conlang that doesn't have any rule exceptions.

that way, you'd actually be learning about language contructs (and english in the process)

Geobits

I agree that the lit portion is overdone. Literature is a fine thing to study, but you should probably know how to speak/write the language first ;)

Martin Ender

I have a (rather well-read and educated) British friend from my degree in London who didn't know what a passive voice was.

Nathan Merrill

18:03

I'd simply put literature study in History

that's really where it belongs

Geobits

@MartinEnder You mean the passive voice construct wasn't known by him/her?

Nathan Merrill

lol

Martin Ender

No, he was able to use it, but he had no idea what the term "passive voice" was referring to.

Nathan Merrill

I think he was making a joke :)

Geobits

A joke was being made, yes.

TimmyD

18:06

Oh dear.

Martin Ender

Anonymous

I think I almost prefer debate talk over this English grammatical nonsense

Nathan Merrill

keyword: almost

Anonymous

:P

Anonymous

In reference to that foobar question that was recently posted: foobar is absolutely still a major method for Google to recruit software engineers. That's how I got recruited.

Nathan Merrill

18:09

right, which is why I said it'd have to be a really recent update

you did foobar a month and a half ago?

Anonymous

In late July/early August

Geobits

There's no way to know if that's what they're using now to find their recruits.

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Q: Shortest possible JS (ES5) code to get ids of all elements of a given tag

Using the shortest JS (ES5) code possible, as measured in number of characters, gather all the ids on a page for foobar elements into a comma-delimited string. For example: <div> <foobar id="456"></foobar> <foobar id="aaa"></foobar> <foobar id="987"></foobar> <div> Should give "456,aaa,...

Geobits

(factually correct or not, I just wanted to use all three "there" words together)

Nathan Merrill

lol

Anonymous

18:12

It's very factually incorrect. I know from speaking with engineers that they are absolutely still using it.

Nathan Merrill

ah good to know :)

DJMcMayhem

Why haven't I been foobared? I Google python stuff all the time

TimmyD

So they're using their tools there?

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem Probably all the vim

Nathan Merrill

lol

@Mego did you talk about their code writing process in your interviews at all?

Josh

18:15

Hi! :)

DJMcMayhem

Dammit. Do they force emacs usage over there?

Nathan Merrill

I was told that employee's don't store code at all on their computers

TimmyD

They're using "their" there.

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill Yep

Nathan Merrill

@Josh hey

Anonymous

18:16

@DJMcMayhem No, they just look down on using antiquated editors :P

TimmyD

Their "they're" is there.

Josh

@DJMcMayhem I think it's pure chance. I tried itertools straight after and it didn't come up. tbh I thought it was an urban legend until I saw it myself, that's why I screen dumped it

Nathan Merrill

and, if I remember correctly, that they spin up vms for development

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill I don't know about that - it never came up. But source control (specifically Git) is used heavily there.

Nathan Merrill

right, I knew that

DJMcMayhem

18:17

@Mego Antiquated? The newest version is barely 2 months old

Nathan Merrill

antiquated is measured by launch date, clearly :)

@Josh to answer your question, if you are getting the login screen, its too late

that said, I've actually gotten foobar-ed a couple of times, so it might happen again

Josh

too late to get back in...? :(

Anonymous

@Josh It's not pure chance. They have a machine learning algorithm that looks at your search habits and decides if you should be invited. However, not knowing the details of that algorithm, it's impossible for anyone outside to tailor their searches in a way that will trigger foobar, so it seems like pure chance. They also take into account the number of open positions they have.

Anonymous

@Josh If you were signed into a Google account when you got the invitation, you should be able to go to google.com/foobar and login using that account's information.

Nathan Merrill

and since it's machine learning, nobody really knows what works :)

Anonymous

18:20

Just click login and choose the right account

Josh

@Mego Ahh... I see, well I feel kind of honoured now :) fingers crossed it'll come up again. I'm using python more in a job I've just started, so hopefully it will come up again. That's probably why it came up now

TuxCopter

Question: Is catseye.tc/installation/REDGREEN TC without the fishs and the wires?

Anonymous

Maybe you'll get the opportunity to leave your job and join ~~legion~~ Google!

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Q: Geometric Series Sum

Find the solution to the geometric series 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + 1/32 + 1/64 with the common ratio of 1/2.

code-golf math

TuxCopter

@NewMainPosts NUKE IT

Josh

18:23

@Mego, unfortunately not. I was wondering if it was because I was on a computer at work. When it logs into "Guest", is it looking for the default profile on the computer? Because that's locked out at work, it's all on servers. I am actually quite happy in my job (although I'm not sure I'd ever say no to Google!). I was more into testing my worth with the challenges

Nathan Merrill

@El'endiaStarman you should post TNBDE

@Josh you managed to get it on a Guest account? I would call that luck then :)

El'endia Starman

@NathanMerrill Looks like Martin already did. I'm actually considering making another webpage specifically for search-type queries.

Josh

No, not a guest google account, I was logged into my gmail, but on a work pc

Nathan Merrill

@El'endiaStarman oh, I don't know how I missed that

thanks :)

Anonymous

@Josh If you were signed into a Gmail account, you can use that account from any computer to access foobar.

El'endia Starman

18:24

I'm definitely gonna edit that answer though. It's quite inadequate. :P

Josh

no worries :)

Nathan Merrill

@El'endiaStarman what you up to these days? still doing "a website for a friend"?

1000000000

@NewMainPosts Is this question just asking for a program that prints 1?

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El'endia Starman

@NathanMerrill I (basically) finished that several weeks ago, actually. I've been working part-time at the local grocery store in a janitorial-type job since then.

Josh

@Mego, it really doesn't work. I don't think it even got as far as logging me in before it went wrong. I was bloody mortified! It was like winning the lotto, and then dropping the ticket down a grate! It's also why I listened to that guy in the Google Store

Nathan Merrill

18:26

@El'endiaStarman I meant in the programming world :)

Wheat Wizard

@1000000000 Brain-Flak, 4 bytes: (())

TuxCopter

AFAIK Google stopped hiring via Foobar

Nathan Merrill

14 mins ago, by Mego

It's very factually incorrect. I know from speaking with engineers that they are absolutely still using it.

DJMcMayhem

@WheatWizard probably the only time brain-flak will ever tie jelly. :P

El'endia Starman

AND didn't Mego get hired via Foobar?

Anonymous

18:28

@El'endiaStarman Yes

Anonymous

Well, I'm not hired yet - I still am waiting for the paperwork to sign. That should be in my inbox by Monday at the latest.

Josh

I was in Google's store in PC World today, and the Google dude said it was over - but he was trying to sell the new phone, so I'm not convinced either way. I'll keep searching, but I think you guys that are on, might be the last intake :(

Nathan Merrill

I doubt that retail salesmen really know how google's hiring process works

@Mego still?

1000000000

@WheatWizard Brainbool 2 bytes: +.

Anonymous

Don't listen to sales people. They have absolutely no idea what is going on in the engineering side of the company, except what they are told in order to sell things. Listen to engineers and HR. As an almost engineer at Google, I can tell you that they are absolutely still using foobar.

Nathan Merrill

18:30

I got my paperwork a couple of hours after accepting

feersum

@1000000000 Snails, 0 bytes:

El'endia Starman

@NathanMerrill Oh, haha. Um, I'm not fully invested in any single project at the moment. I've been working on the game mechanics taxonomy, Pytek, porting a simple game I wrote a couple years ago to the browser (which I could/should finish today), and thinking about porting my hyperbolic geometry program to the browser.

Wheat Wizard

@1000000000 Wise 2 bytes: ~-

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill I haven't been given the formal job offer yet. I just got matched with a team earlier this week (thanks to having to look at a completely different city because of an unexpected hiring freeze in Austin). I just talked with my recruiter two days ago about compensation.

Josh

As an almost engineer at Google, @Mego, can you ask HR to check my account for foobar activity? It glitched I tell you

TuxCopter

18:31

@1000000000 Jelly, 1 byte: 1

Anonymous

@Josh If you're unable to log in, just wait, and keep doing what you're doing. Foobar will invite you again.

1000000000

@TuxCopter @DJMcMayhem looks like Jelly wins after all

Josh

I know but I'm impatient! lol

Anonymous

I can understand that, but there's nothing I can do :P

Jonathan Allan

@Mego - how is it at all unclear? Only thing it does not say is that you are to take the number of terms as input, which is pretty bleedin' obvious.

Josh

18:32

:) no worries. Thanks for inviting me to chat by the way @NathanMerrill, I've not been on here before

Nathan Merrill

If all you're really looking for is "prove my worth" challenges, try Project Euler

Anonymous

@JonathanAllan It's not obvious at all. It can be interpreted many different ways - one of them is "add up these fractions".

DJMcMayhem

@Josh Welcome to the room! It's pretty much the best place on the Internet. :)

Jonathan Allan

people downvote my answer because they don't like the question. So stupid.

Anonymous

And it could have the number of terms as input, or it could just be "what does this series converge to?", in which case the solution would be 1 in several different languages.

El'endia Starman

18:34

@DJMcMayhem Absolutely! :D

Jonathan Allan

Title: "Geometric Series Sum"

Anonymous

@JonathanAllan No, people downvoted your answer because you answered a challenge that you know is unclear, seemingly just to be the FGITW, and you should know better than to answer a challenge that should be closed.

Jonathan Allan

It's tagged code-golf, it's not going to be what is the limit.

Josh

I'll check that out @NathanMerrill, thanks. :) and it is quite quaint @DJMcMayhem, I like it! I could chill here nicely with some coco if it wasn't virtual ;)

Jonathan Allan

No I saw it and thought I knew exactly what it was asking.

Anonymous

18:35

You're making assumptions. Assumptions should not come into play with challenges. The specification should say exactly what it means - no interpretation necessary.

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Jonathan Allan

people downvote on the assumption that I am making an assumption.

(N)

Geobits

I assumed it was asking for some series of calculations, but wanted the actual output to be 1. I downvoted because your program simply doesn't output 1, not because you FGITWd it.

Josh

I assume that is correct @JonathanAllan

Jonathan Allan

You downvoted because you assumed something else?

SAD

Poke

pax tickets are buy-able

as of like 5 minutes ago

Jonathan Allan

18:37

it's a working solution to the question posed

Geobits

It didn't answer the challenge as I understood it. I also downvoted the challenge (and would've CVd but it was already closed).

Anonymous

I downvoted because you took part in a behavior that is detrimental to the site.

Poke

check their twitter for the link to buy them if you're interested

Jonathan Allan

Bad Question does not imply bad answer.

Anonymous

I'm done discussing my downvote. Your reactions to downvotes are why I typically don't discuss/explain my voting.

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Geobits

18:38

This. So much this.

feersum

Answering an unformed question is poor etiquette.

Jonathan Allan

?

Anonymous

Everyone is free to vote as they wish. Trying to shame them or argue with them for voting a certain way is a very bad thing.

Geobits

People whine about "unexplained downvotes", but then whine about the explanations too.

Jonathan Allan

I read it, thought I understood it and answered it. Simple.

Nathan Merrill

18:39

the only time I expect a explanation for downvotes is on meta

TimmyD

@Poke So, that means they're sold out as of like 4 minutes ago? :D

Jonathan Allan

but here it is obvious. People are downvoting because they think I shouldnt answer - but that does not make the answer bad.

Poke

@TimmyD They're not actually doing the 3day badges this year

so no not yet!

Anonymous

There is no requirement or social norm for voters to justify their votes. That's a big part of why votes are anonymous. If you want voters to explain their votes, try not being so hostile towards them.

Jonathan Allan

I dont answer random awfl questions generally, and thought this one made sense, even if the OP could have been more verbose.

did I say there was?

Anonymous

18:42

From this point on, I am no longer going to discuss this topic, as my views have been made clear, and they are not going to change.

Geobits

@JonathanAllan I clearly explained that my downvote is because I think it's wrong. Whether my assumption is right or not depends on the question, which doesn't elaborate. You also made an assumption about the question.

Jonathan Allan

My original question was rhetorical, and implied by the statement immediately following it!

Josh

Can I change the topic and ask @Mego if he has any useful resources for creating languages? It's on my bucketlist. Same question to everyone :)

DJMcMayhem

You've still gained almost 20 rep for it

Nathan Merrill

@Josh a real language, or an esolang?

DJMcMayhem

18:44

@Josh What kind of resources? Github comes to mind (I've written 2)

El'endia Starman

@Josh If you decide to make an infix language, you'll probably want to use the Shunting Yard algorithm.

Josh

esolang is like kthxbye right?

I'd be happy with that, but I'd rather it be useful lol

Thank @El'endiaStarman, clicking that now :)

Anonymous

@Josh Sure thing. Whenever you are programming and think "man, I wish there was a language that does X better/at all", write it down. You'll eventually compile a list of features you want in languages. Pick the features that are most important to you and aren't mutually exclusive, and start designing a language based around them.

DJMcMayhem

@Josh no, it's more like this:

in Brain-Flak, 1 hour ago, by MegaTom

({<({}[()])>(({}({}))[({}[{}])])}<{}{}>)

El'endia Starman

@Josh Esolang basically means "any language that isn't regularly used in production", as a general rule of thumb.

Josh

18:46

@DJMcMayhem like whitespace?

DJMcMayhem

Yeah, that's another good example

Anonymous

Whitespace is an esolang. Perhaps the most well-known esolangs are brainfuck and Befunge.

Nathan Merrill

the two most important parts to making a language is: 1. Having a set of design goals, and 2. Actually writing some code

El'endia Starman

I've written Minkolang, which is in the same class of languages as Befunge and ><> (fungeoids).

Josh

Thanks @Mego, I've a couple of ideas I probably should jot down

Anonymous

18:46

> Actually writing some code

Anonymous

I see what you did there

Nathan Merrill

would you prefer "Seriously, writing some code"?

TimmyD

@El'endiaStarman Fungeoids? That's a neat classification term.

Fatalize

the third most important is: no more stack based CJam copies please

Anonymous

Consolidating your ideas whenever you have inspiration is the best way to start. Otherwise, when you get in a language-writing mood, you'll hit a block trying to come up with features and design goals.

Josh

18:47

fun to say! @TimmyD

Anonymous

@Fatalize :(

flawr

(If anyone want's to listen to something nice, I recommend this.

Josh

How low a level language do you think is best to write other languaes?

Anonymous

In my defense, Seriously and Actually are deque-based.

Nathan Merrill

@Josh as high as possible

El'endia Starman

18:48

@Josh I use Python for both of mine.

Anonymous

@flawr I'm expecting a plane crash.

Josh

as HIGH as possible? I wasn't expecting that! why?

Fatalize

Easier to code, to maintain

El'endia Starman

It's a lot easier to write another language using a high level language. :P

flawr

@Mego Saint-Saens didn't compose any plane crashes as far as I am aware of.

Anonymous

18:49

Python is a nice language for language implementation. If you're going to have syntax more complicated than simple LTR concatenation, you can leverage the ast module to do the parsing work for you.

DJMcMayhem

@Mego did you ever end up writing British?

Josh

fair enough :) good advice

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem It's in the pipeline. I have a million ideas and 0 time.

Fatalize

@DJMcMayhem u wot?

Josh

funny thing is, most of my ideas have been about what I can't do with python

El'endia Starman

18:50

@Mego Until you're working at Google. :P

Anonymous

Speaking of having 0 time, I have to go now :P

Josh

nice chatting @Mego

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman Then I'll have 2 million ideas and 20% time!

El'endia Starman

@Mego Better than before! :P

Anonymous

(but Google will own everything I create in my 20% time)

Anonymous

18:51

I will definitely be checking out Google's code golf server

Josh

that's better, glass half full please @Mego ;)

Nathan Merrill

@Mego but you might get others to join you

Anonymous

@Josh I wouldn't be surprised if "Glass Half Full" is an esolang

Josh

lol - maybe it will become mine?

Nathan Merrill

Glass

Anonymous

18:52

> No other language that the author knows of is implemented like this, because it would be idiotic.

Anonymous

I like it already

Josh

@NathanMerrill - well played

El'endia Starman

Hey guys, what's a good example of a search you wish you could do with SE's chat search?

Josh

I'm actually on a train back up from London, and it will be pulling into Manchester soon. I'm going to head off too. Am I alright to nip back here in the future?

El'endia Starman

Of course!

Nathan Merrill

18:54

@Josh no need to ask.

Fatalize

The person that posts "should of" the most. Though I already know that it's Downgoat

Nathan Merrill

this room is pretty active at all times of the day

Josh

Sounds like a plan. Thanks again guys, I hope we speak again soon :)

TimmyD

Repost for the afternoon crowd:

5 hours ago, by TimmyD

Ruby FizzBuzz WTF video

El'endia Starman

@Fatalize Not exactly what I'm looking for, but that's an easy query. :P

Martin Ender

18:56

vandalised feedbot posts, of course ;)

Fatalize

The "regex for the grammar police" inspired me

Martin Ender

also if you search for something like "pastebin" it won't find actual pastebin URLs

El'endia Starman

"should've" is actually a good example! The built-in search only finds two messages, but there are a lot more than that.

Martin Ender

searching for substrings and multiple words is near impossible

TimmyD

Or searching for punctuation

Like, trying to find a Jelly code snippet.

Lembik

18:59

any python people in? I can't use the module any more that I was for computing the permanent :(

I get bpaste.net/show/d8fd5c093e61 and I have no idea what changed?!

Poke

does tnbde work with questions/answers or just chat

TuxCopter

Just chat

trichoplax

@Poke There's SEDE for main

Lembik

oh wow I found out what caused it.. how weird

Poke

gotcha

betseg

19:02

@Lembik what was it?

Jonathan Allan

circular dependency?

El'endia Starman

Alright, I'm gonna put a list of search queries in the Meta post. So far I've got "certain words" ("should've"), substrings, multiple words, and punctuation. I'd like a concrete example for each of the latter three (which means @Martin for substrings/multiple words and @TimmyD for punctuation/code snippet).

Lembik

I had a file in my directory called permanent.pyc

and it seems that import first looks in the current directory

which is bad practice :)

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Q: Useful External Resources

There are a bunch of external resources that are either used very often by this community or are directly related to it. This post contains the most relevant ones to make them more discoverable for new users. Here is how this will work: put each resource in a separate answer, linking to it at t...

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ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

CMC: Solve, for 𝑎, 𝑠 ∈ ℕ₊:

21a - 25s =    0
 4a +  9s = 2240

DJMcMayhem

19:10

@NewMetaPosts that sure took a while

Lembik

fastest-code follow up is now in the sandbox

betseg

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ what are the first two symbols these arent in my font

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@betseg a and s

El'endia Starman

@MartinEnder pastebin.com works in SE search for those.

PhiNotPi

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ positive natural numbers?

Dennis

19:17

@Lembik Had a problem like this once. I had a file called time.py in my home folder, which broke all modules that imported time. Took me forever to figure that out...

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

nvm figured out there are no integer solutions

Lembik

@Dennis that sounds like a pain!

PhiNotPi

Yeah there's none.

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

> With great power comes great eleven.

._.

Fatalize

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ I coded for nothing ;_;

betseg

19:20

a = 56000/289? s=200000/867?

El'endia Starman

....you guys tried coding and not solving the system of equations?

TimmyD

Brr ... building fire drill when it's 47F / 8C is a good way to get the blood pumping.

Lembik

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

The challenge is to write the fastest code possible for computing the permanent of a matrix. The permanent of an n-by-n matrix A = (ai,j) is defined as As an example (from the wiki): In this question matrices are all square and will only have the values -1 and 1 in them. Examples Inpu...

betseg

No s=47040/289

PhiNotPi

@El'endiaStarman TNB in a nutshell

betseg

19:28

@El'endiaStarman i did lel

TimmyD

@El'endiaStarman Not sure exactly what you're looking for, but searching for something like this is pretty impossible with the built-in searching.

Nathan Merrill

random language idea: allow access to variables of parent call stack (of code in the same location)

Dennis

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ It does. Why the ._. face?

PhiNotPi

@NathanMerrill Cogol2 would totally be able to do this... if I were to actually work on it.

Nathan Merrill

it'd be useful for those data structures that you always pass around

I feel like many recursive algorithms end up with 2 or 3 extra parameters of data that you just need to pass around

and isn't actually the input to the function

Dennis

19:33

@Lembik Yeah, it was quite entertaining. If it hadn't suddenly started working when I switched to another directory, I don't think I would have figured it out any time soon.

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

New CMC: Find a, p, s ∈ ℕ₊ to maximize 4 a + 4 p + 9 s while satisfying:

25a = 21s
4a + 4p + 9s <= 2304
4a + 9s <= 192p

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Q: How to answer a Code Golf Puzzle

In some languages such as PHP you need to add these <?php ?> before you can start to program in PHP. And in C++ too. int main(){}. When answering a question, must I add the tags/function?

discussion

El'endia Starman

@TimmyD That's a doable example, but I would think it would be rare that you would have that specific snippet on hand to search for.

PhiNotPi

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ 192p?

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@PhiNotPi 192 × p

Nathan Merrill

19:34

fib(n):
   // Edge case testing
   val = parent.val + parent.parent.val

PhiNotPi

Okay, I was wondering if you meant 0.

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

The challenge is to write the fastest code possible for computing the permanent of a matrix. The permanent of an n-by-n matrix A = (ai,j) is defined as As an example (from the wiki): In this question matrices are all square and will only have the values -1 and 1 in them. Examples Inpu...

PhiNotPi

Well first I have p <= 11

TimmyD

@El'endiaStarman True. I was just trying to think of an example where the snippet is basically punctuation. I'm not familiar enough with the language(s) to come up with a snippet on my own and then try to search for it. :D

betseg

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ you can use this

El'endia Starman

19:38

@TimmyD I'm actually gonna use %10.

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@betseg I'm maximizing here

Okay, how about the same problem, but only maximizing 4 a + 9 s?

I can't make a solar farm out of power poles :P

Shebang

I think I'm wrong since I forgot 0 isn't in the natural numbers

TimmyD

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ What's the constraint? You're eliminating p?

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@TimmyD yes, only want to maximize a and s

Poke

@Shebang wut

pretty sure natural numbers == nonnegative numbers

Shebang

19:43

Apparently there's a distinction between natural numbers and whole numbers

0 is part of the latter, not former (according to Google)

Nathan Merrill

whole numbers includes negatives

TimmyD

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ So 4a + 4s is <=192 or <=2304?

Nathan Merrill

right?

Shebang

Best I can find is 1894

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@TimmyD <=2304-4p and <=192p

Nathan Merrill

19:45

I prefer the terms: Integers (for positive/negative), non-negative for 0 and up, and positive for 1 and up

Shebang

where a = 126, p = 10, s = 150

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@Shebang thx

Shebang

It's possibly higher

What's this for?

TimmyD

@Shebang Most set theorists include 0 (i.e., empty set) in N.

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

Designing a Factorio solar farm

PhiNotPi

19:45

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ a=126 p=11 s=150 ?? Just rushed together some code.

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

oh wait I did it wrong

Martin Ender

@El'endiaStarman I know, but that's annoying :P

PhiNotPi

also, I was ninja'd

Poke

factorio is dope

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

Change the second condition from 4a + 4p + 9s <= 2304 to 4a + 4p + 9s <= 2388

Poke

19:46

like that game a lot

Martin Ender

@DJMcMayhem that must be a new record

El'endia Starman

FYI for people who might have not seen it, I included a demonstration of TNBDE search capabilities.

Shebang

@PhiNotPi I was wrong, with p=11 it's 4 higher :P

TimmyD

@MartinEnder I think meta-bot started taking longer to post around the same time that bounty-bot started working.

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@TimmyD That's why I wrote ℕ₊

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

19:47

yay lots of people are doing the halloween avatar thing

@Shebang hm, first time seeing you here! Hello!

TimmyD

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ Holy cow, there is a tiny little + at the end of that. It's like three pixels on my screen.

Nathan Merrill

@El'endiaStarman feature request: It'd be way cool if queries could grab user data, and for that user data to automatically use cookies

TimmyD

I had thought it was a full-stop.

Nathan Merrill

aka, a parameter that references a named text field

Poke

@El'endiaStarman graphing?

Nathan Merrill

19:48

and when you press run, that text field is saved in browser cookies

El'endia Starman

@Poke Look in the list of useful queries.

Poke

ah

PhiNotPi

@TimmyD You mean a half-colon?

Poke

i tactically ignored that link

New Main Posts

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Q: Wolves and Chickens Puzzle Golf

Wolves and Chickens There's a river and there are wolves and chickens on one side of the river. They have a raft and they all need to get to the other side. However, the raft cannot travel on its own. The raft will sink if more than two animals are on it. None of the animals want to get wet beca...

code-golf path-finding permutations

Nathan Merrill

19:49

The most obvious example is grabbing your SE user ID

TimmyD

@PhiNotPi No, I mean an eighth-pipe.

El'endia Starman

@NathanMerrill Hmm. That's an interesting idea. I'm a little leery of how much work it would probably take to implement that. :P

Nathan Merrill

it should all be client side.

I actually think the hardest part is figuring out when to add a text field

El'endia Starman

Yeah, I don't want to bother trying to parse SQL.

Nathan Merrill

oh, just come up with something blatantly not SQL. Like ##NAME##

Shebang

19:54

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ I think a = 147, p = 56, s = 175 maximises, gives 2387.

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Hello! I only just became active again quite recently :)

El'endia Starman

@Downgoat Holy crap. :P

@NathanMerrill That's pretty much how SEDE does it. Hmm.

What I'm concerned about is that doing that kind of thing might make it impossible to search for it within the transcript.

Nathan Merrill

I think that the benefit outweighs the cost

El'endia Starman

Alright. I'll consider it.

Poke

20:09

i like the sql query search although manually grabbing my chat id is a bit annoying

if you want something like Nathan is suggesting you could try string interpolation or something but then you'd also need escape sequences

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Let's do some circlejerk in German code-golfstring On the German reddit community there's a big circlejerk going on about replacing words or part of words with numbers, resulting in something like l8 instaed of late. The numbers we are going to use are: Number | German word | strings to be rep...

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@Shebang That only gives 2163 now, I updated it to only maximize 4 a + 9 s

DJMcMayhem

@NewSandboxedPosts Dat phrasing...

TimmyD

@DJMcMayhem Phrasing!

DJMcMayhem

Wait, is phrasing not a thing anymore? Come on!

@TimmyD Danger zone?

TimmyD

20:21

Call Kenny Loggins.

DJMcMayhem

Lol. Good show

TimmyD

I've never actually watch an episode. Everything I know about Archer I've learned via memes.

El'endia Starman

@TimmyD That's true of me as well.

New Main Posts

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Q: A penny saved is a penny

...counted! You will pass your program a variable which represents a quantity of money in dollars and/or cents and an array of coin values. Your challenge is to output the number of possible combinations of the given array of coin values that would add up to the amount passed to the code. If i...

code-golf math combinatorics counting integer-partitions

El'endia Starman

"A penny saved is a penny" - yup, totally true.

Martin Ender

20:34

@El'endiaStarman Have you checked that you're not the same person?

TimmyD

@MartinEnder I'm pretty sure I would know a lot more about programming if I was.

El'endia Starman

@MartinEnder He knows Powershell, I don't. He uses IE, I don't. That's one heck of a Disassociative Identity Disorder I/we have.

TimmyD

I also use a Windows phone, a Surface tablet, an @outlook.com email address, and my main gaming console is an Xbox One.

Poke

dat microsoft junkie

TimmyD

Oh, and I primarily search with Bing.

Poke

20:39

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

TimmyD

And love Windows 10.

Poke

well that's understandable because it has multi-do

TimmyD

And I didn't think that 8 was all that bad.

Poke

who doesn't want to do what they do... faster!?

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

Actually, I guess from some quick MS Excel'ing that a = 147, p = 56, s = 175 would, in fact, be optimal

Poke

20:40

yes but did you like windows ME

El'endia Starman

@TimmyD I'd love to have a Surface tablet and Xbox One. Nothing else fits, though.

TimmyD

@Poke I actually skipped ME because I was a poor college student at the time, so I've never even used it.

I made do with 98SE until XP SP1.

Martin Ender

I would normally onebox the Ballmer peak xkcd now, but it's so huge.

Poke

Well that's good. No one liked windows "mistake edition"

TimmyD

@MartinEnder Fun anecdote: a friend in college decided to try that hypothesis out, managed to get some big program we were doing to run, but went back the next day after he recovered from his hangover and couldn't understand his program.

Martin Ender

20:47

haha nice

TimmyD

We wound up having to rewrite that whole section, because part of the grading was on documentation.

Nathan Merrill

Programmers.SE is finally Software Engineering!

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flawr

@MartinEnder feature-request halfboxing.

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Martin Ender

@NathanMerrill I really like the subtle redesign as well

El'endia Starman

@TimmyD Wow, that was pretty funny.

Nathan Merrill

20:53

so, they are now SE.SE?

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El'endia Starman

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Q: It's official! This site is now Software Engineering Stack Exchange

Awww yeah. WOoooooooOOOOoooOOOOOoooT! PARTY TIME. Check out that domain name and logo! If you see any problems anywhere, please leave an answer to this question so we can track them. Thanks Stack Exchange :-)

discussion new-site-name party awesome

Dose first few sentences.

Poke

@NathanMerrill but not all programmers are software engineers >.>

Maltysen

@Josh can confirm foobar works for me too rn

Nathan Merrill

@Poke right, they are excluding anybody not in the latter.

:)

TimmyD

@El'endiaStarman Yeah. I'm not even a Ruby-er (Rubier? Rubian?) and I enjoyed it.

El'endia Starman

20:58

@TimmyD "Rubyist" is what I would say, and same here. :P

Martin Ender

huh, how did that link not get any stars

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