The Nineteenth Byte

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

03:07

smbc-comics.com/comic/the-bird-is-the-word

@Maltysen just use keyword args

(or None)

Learn How To Be Transparent

hello

DJMcMayhem

Hi

Learn How To Be Transparent

$(".monologue").length

setInterval(function(){if($(".monologue").length>p){speechSynthesis.speak(new SpeechSynthesisUtterance($(".monologue")[$(".monologue").length-1].textContent))}},1000)
459

speak all chat text

DJMcMayhem

@MartinEnder Hey, in your polyglot answer you mentioned not being able to find an interpreter for black. I shared your answer on reddit (for the badges, haha) and the author actually saw it, and wanted me to let you know he still had a copy of the interpreter. It's on the esolang page now.

Thought you might find that interesting. reddit.com/r/programming/comments/55pp32/…

Learn How To Be Transparent

>improved

p=$(".monologue>.messages>.message").length
setInterval(function(){if($(".monologue>.messages>.message").length>p){speechSynthesis.speak(new SpeechSynthesisUtterance($(".monologue>.messages>.message")[$(".monologue>.messages>.message").length-1].textContent));p=p=$(".monologue>.messages>.message").length}},1000)

Destructible Watermelon

03:23

halp how to run a program that needs to have a program run to run it (how to make interpreted language run) for koth

El'endia Starman

By the way, it helps to code-format with backticks (`) for inline code and four spaces at the beginning of each line for multi-line code (easily done with Ctrl+K).

Learn How To Be Transparent

it's so general

can you be more specific

Mitch Schwartz

@Lynn in gs2, if you use scan on a list that is duplicated on the stack, it empties the other copies of that list

(and the list that's in junk)

Ashwin Gupta

03:43

0

Q: Spotify API redirect URL to local filesystem?

I'm trying to write a program for myself using Spotify's api. I have no intention of my software being public, I just need access to my own playlist data. The issue is, in order to actually get this information, I need to go through Spotify's authentication process. Part of this process is a redi...

ASCII-only

@Qwerp-Derp what don't you understand

Maltysen

@AshwinGupta file:/// might work

or just use localhost and python -m SimpleHTTPServer

Ashwin Gupta

@Maltysen ok thanks. Im looking into this

ughh i gotta install python 2

Maltysen

wait what?

Ashwin Gupta

the thing doesn't work in 3

Maltysen

03:52

python3 -m http.server

Ashwin Gupta

or it might but I'm too lazy to figure it out.

oh ok...

Maltysen

the url becomes localhost:8000 btw

Ashwin Gupta

um. This is stupid but what happens if I'm using 8000 for something else...

Maltysen

python3 -m http.server 8080

Ashwin Gupta

oh ok

so now that I've got my server can I just do stuff like localhost:8000/c://users//desktop

Maltysen

03:55

no, you run it in c:/users/desktop

and then do localhost:8080/my_file.html

Ashwin Gupta

oh ok got you

thanks

alright hold up lemme try spotify with that.

@Maltysen ok now thats just freeking awesome.

Maltysen

glad to help :D

Ashwin Gupta

As usual, python has another powerful tool that takes 1 line of code to utilize. Makes me question why I spend so much time on Java...

Maltysen

it actually has an entire module for making servers

Ashwin Gupta

@Maltysen =/ Ashwin Gupta pisses his pants

Maltysen

04:01

docs.python.org/3/library/http.server.html#module-http.server

but its actually kinda useless except for this static one

Ashwin Gupta

alright. Now I'm actually blown away.

DJMcMayhem

@AshwinGupta Hey, at least you don't spend so much time on C. That's even worse. :P

Ashwin Gupta

@DJMcMayhem true. I actually hardly spend any time w/ C/C++ except OpenGL because its got the best bindings for that.

ok bye guys. GN gotta go read for school :(

DJMcMayhem

Outside of PPCG I do most of my coding in C/C++

Bye! o/

Geobits

04:42

@quartata Well, you asked for this.

Maltysen

in The Block, 3 mins ago, by Marky Markov

@Geobits the ferengi capsule from the energy generator is fluctuating.

roflmao

DJMcMayhem

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Q: Should we increase our post character limit to allow substantial stack snippets?

Calvin's Hobbies posted on Mother Meta about increasing the character limit for posts across the Stack Exchange network. This answer shows that it is possible to increase the limit from the standard 30,000 characters for individual SE sites, and this has already been doubled for Code Review. To ...

discussion feature-request

Does anyone know if this ever ended up happening?

Maltysen

@Geobits did you train him on the bridge or something?

Geobits

The bridge of the Enterprise, yes.

All Next Generation transcripts.

Maltysen

@Geobits haha cool

alephalpha

04:52

Try mathematica online: mmascript.com/kernel

2

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1

Q: How big can an answer be

I have an answer to this question that is quite long. It is the best I can do and no one else has answered the question in the language I am using (Brain-Flak). However my answer is very large (7e618). It would require more bytes than there exists atoms in the observable universe to store the ...

discussion

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Hexagonal coordinates: Polar to cartesian code-golf math hexagonal-grid Wikipedia says about Polar Coordinates: In mathematics, the polar coordinate system is a two-dimensional coordinate system in which each point on a plane is determined by a distance from a reference point and an angle...

Maltysen

@alephalpha thank you so much

Destructible Watermelon

05:09

halp

I want to be very language agnostic in this KotH, even including esolangs

how should I allow programs to be run by interpreters?

DJMcMayhem

Subprocess

Destructible Watermelon

well, yes, I have that part

DJMcMayhem

Pass all necessary info over command line args

Destructible Watermelon

what if the current interpreter can't use command line args?

DJMcMayhem

Q: Let's play Meta tic-tac-toe!

Lets play a game of Meta tic-tac-toe! This is a king-of-the-hill tournament of Meta tic-tac-toe. The rules of Meta tic-tac-toe are as follows: All of the regular rules of tic-tac-toe apply. There are nine boards arranged to make one master board. Like so: 0|1|2 || 0|1|2 || 0|1|2 ----- || --...

game king-of-the-hill tic-tac-toe

@DestructibleWatermelon than it probably couldn't be used

s/than/then

Destructible Watermelon

05:12

well, there probably is a way, but it'll make the controller longer

DJMcMayhem

I guess you could use STDIN and pipe it in instead

Or maybe allow both options

Destructible Watermelon

You're confusing me

what is the other option that isn't using STDIN and piping?

what if someone wants to run a program that is in a language that has an interpreter that can't take input through args that has an interpreter that can't run through args?

nah JK, if someone actually had a language where that applied, that would be really weird

DJMcMayhem

@DestructibleWatermelon sorry. I meant allow piping/STDIN or command line args, and each submission could pick which one they want to use

Destructible Watermelon

I think I'm doing that

also I think this uglier than my programs usually are

DJMcMayhem

Well, my one tip is to try writing a couple bots to see how well it works

Destructible Watermelon

05:26

hey, you know how when guessing a 4-combo you have like a 1/10000 chance of getting it right?

I just spammed a combo and got it right

:)

(context:my sister locked one of my things in one of those toy safes)

Dennis

05:38

@WheatWizard @DJMcMayhem Unless I made a mistake somewhere, I got stack-clean modulus in 64 bytes.

4

A: Divisibility test

Brain-Flak, 72 70 64 62 58 46 bytes {({}[()]{(<><>)}{}<({}[()]<({}())>)>)}{}{{}}{} Takes dividend and divisor (in that order) as input and prints the divisor (truthy) or nothing. Since each stack has an implicit, infinite amount of zeroes, empty output should be considered falsy. Try it onlin...

Wheat Wizard

@Dennis Nice I'm taking a look right now

Ok looks perfect :D

Destructible Watermelon

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Play a 1D chess variant in this king-of-the-hill challenge, you must create a bot that plays a 1d chess variant I created, featuring all leaper pieces, and a 15 long board. Esolangs are encouraged to participate Game Rules Goal To capture the opponents royal (king/queen). Board The board i...

@DJMcMayhem do you think is interesting?

Dennis

@WheatWizard \o/

Qwerp-Derp

@DestructibleWatermelon Why do you have both King and Queen? It seems a bit redundant to me

Wheat Wizard

@Dennis Its really nice! I think when I get a little more rep I will reinstate the bounty on your solution.

Qwerp-Derp

05:45

Also, your diagrams are kinda vague... can you give me a run-down of the ASCII representations of each piece?

Halp how do you draw an ASCII pentagon

@ASCII-only What are you using for it (i.e. what module)? Where are the docs?

Dennis

@WheatWizard You mean for a solution that beats 64 bytes?

Qwerp-Derp

@ASCII-only (More specifically, ? is bugging out for me in the grammars thingo)

Wheat Wizard

@Dennis Yes or a proof of minimality

ASCII-only

@Qwerp-Derp Grammar? I'm not using any module, the first item of an array determines the number of matches, <number> means exactly number matches, | means any of the matches, ? means 1 of each item, 0 or 1 time, * means 1 of each item, 0 or more times, + means 1 of each item, 1 or more times (?*+ all having the same function as in regex)

Qwerp-Derp

Ah, kk

So, I'm trying to implement the null variable thingo

Tell me if there's anything wrong with this:

"Variable": [
    rVariable, rName,
    ["?", rEquals, "TopLevelExpression"]
],

ASCII-only

05:53

Should be fine, just make sure to print(result) in the handler function after the grammar is changed to make sure the values are extracted correctly

Qwerp-Derp

KK.

Also, I'm getting errors in my implementation for multi-expression conds

[
    "1", rOpenBracket,
    ["+", ["|", "Variable", "Out", "TopLevelExpression"]],
    rMultilineCond,
    ["+", ["|", "Variable", "Out", "TopLevelExpression"]],
    rCloseBracket
]

This is the full code

"Condition": [
    rCondition,
    "TopLevelExpression",
    rLambda,
    [
        "|",
        [
            ["|", "Variable", "Out", "TopLevelExpression"],
            rOr,
            ["|", "Variable", "Out", "TopLevelExpression"]
        ],
        [
            "1", rOpenBracket,
            ["+", ["|", "Variable", "Out", "TopLevelExpression"]],
            rMultilineCond,
            ["+", ["|", "Variable", "Out", "TopLevelExpression"]],
            rCloseBracket
        ]
    ]
],

@ASCII-only Hello?

ASCII-only

@Qwerp-Derp Errors?

Qwerp-Derp

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "logicode.py", line 556, in <module>
    Run(code)
  File "logicode.py", line 509, in Run
    result = Get(code, grammar)[0]
  File "logicode.py", line 477, in Get
    gotten = Get(code, tok, process)
  File "logicode.py", line 457, in Get
    gotten = Get(code, token, process)
  File "logicode.py", line 444, in Get
    result = Get(code, token, process)
  File "logicode.py", line 477, in Get
    gotten = Get(code, tok, process)
  File "logicode.py", line 444, in Get

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Play a 1D chess variant in this king-of-the-hill challenge, you must create a bot that plays a 1d chess variant I created, featuring all leaper pieces, and a 15 long board. Esolangs are encouraged to participate Game Rules Goal To capture the opponents royal (king/queen). Board The board i...

ASCII-only

@Qwerp-Derp insert the line print(first) in a new line before line 449

Qwerp-Derp

06:01

This was the last one, just before the error

['|', 'Variable', 'Out', 'TopLevelExpression']

@ASCII-only Also what is the difference between 1 and |?

ASCII-only

@Qwerp-Derp 1 is one of each item in that order, | is any item

@Qwerp-Derp Oh, then:

    [
        "1",
        ["|", "Variable", "Out", "TopLevelExpression"],
        rOr,
        ["|", "Variable", "Out", "TopLevelExpression"]
    ],

Destructible Watermelon

@Qwerp-Derp because they are both royals, different versions of the same piece, but you pick one. also I updated the post

mınxomaτ

GitHub is unavailable for me (unicorn error). Anyone else?

betseg

I have the unicorn too

Destructible Watermelon

yep, same here

mınxomaτ

06:10

We are currently experiencing major service outages.

Tweeted by githubstatus on October 4, 2016 at 6:09 AM

Damnit

betseg

> UPDATED LESS THAN A MINUTE AGO
09:09 EESTMajor service outage.

status.github.com

Use gitlab, yall!

Destructible Watermelon

hi Crazydythou! @noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

mınxomaτ

Maybe hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com is overloading GitHub :D

Destructible Watermelon

@Qwerp-Derp pls, What do you think of the post now?

Qwerp-Derp

Better...

Hang on

Maltysen

06:24

its up for me

but really slow at loading

Destructible Watermelon

is back

Steven H.

I finally managed to make a working answer for a question in an original language! So that's nice

Destructible Watermelon

? link pls

Steven H.

1

A: Print all integers

LI, 16 bytes R?>0i-0PyPi-0PYP LI is a (very) WIP language that relies primarily on recursion. Every program in LI must take in user-provided input, so the given program here accepts LI's "null" input of 0. The current Python interpreter is just barely enough to meet the specifications of thi...

Qwerp-Derp

06:47

Yeah, it doesn't work, @ASCII-only

Can't figure it out

ASCII-only

@Qwerp-Derp Does it error?

Qwerp-Derp

@ASCII-only Hang on chat in the Logicode room

I'll be back in like

10-15 mins

Martin Ender

07:01

@DJMcMayhem Thanks for sharing it. I tried contacting the author via the wiki, but that didn't seem to work. I'm glad that your reddit post drew their attention. :)

mınxomaτ

07:19

I just realized today that code golf is an essential part of my security research. For basically any amplification attack (mostly DDoS), the initial code - the payload - has to be as small as possible, in order to increase the effectiveness. So there you have it, a legit practical application for code golf.

mınxomaτ

07:29

@Mego Awesome!

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07:59

-6

Q: Strip Characters Incrementally

I have a String as "Automation". I have to remove bold characters like below Automation --> Atoatin. I need a logic to increment the stripping. Kindly provide me the code in both Java and Python.

python java

betseg

> provide me code

Steven H.

:/

Pietu1998

at least in SO they said "please give me the codes"

betseg

@Pietu1998 hi! I don't think I've seen you around.

Pietu1998

@betseg Hello. Quite possible, haven't been in chat for a while

Destructible Watermelon

08:26

Now to begin actually coding the game in my koth controller

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Sandbox questions I think this is a good sequence for a challenge. I couldn't find a duplicate. There is also no simple formula on OEIS, which makes this interesting. Do you agree? Is the spec clear enough? Is there too much or too little information in the introduction? I'm thinki...

Destructible Watermelon

darn, how to code this...

betseg

@DestructibleWatermelon what is the output style? Something like ABC..DE.F.GH..I?

I mean, not output,

To the other bot

Destructible Watermelon

well, a string of 15 symbols

[space] for no piece, uppercase for enemy piece, lower case for your own piece

betseg

ab c AB C

Destructible Watermelon

08:32

Yep, but the specific symbols are wrong

output of move is two chars match this regex: [1-9a-fA-F]{2}

betseg

@DestructibleWatermelon ah k

Destructible Watermelon

the main thing I need to do at the moment is verify a move

betseg

I'm making the RandomBot

Destructible Watermelon

equivalent of str.translate for lists?

betseg

What lang

Destructible Watermelon

08:36

python

or str.replace

Pietu1998

there really isn't one

translate = lambda lst, mapping: [mapping.get(item, item) for item in lst]
replace = lambda lst, frm, to: [item if item != frm else to for item in lst]

Destructible Watermelon

._. ok

DJMcMayhem

10:19

@Dennis I have really mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I'm really impressed, and glad that the bounty worked. On the other hand, I was really enjoying being over the 15K threshold, haha. :P

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Q: Fabulous glamour shot

Found this picture on the web today. Being a lazy ass programmer, I don't want to actually open google and type a couple of characters. Way too much work! This is such an important task that it should be automated. Challenge Everyone knows that the first image in a google search result is al...

code-golf graphical-output internet

Qwerp-Derp

10:34

Ayy put a lot of new features into Logicode!

Yay!

Anonymous

10:44

@DJMcMayhem It won't take too long to build back up to 15k :P

Destructible Watermelon

10:55

halp which part is making the type error

    move=Popen(self.tool,stdin=PIPE,stdout=PIPE).communicate(bytes(self.play_input+"\n"+''.join(board),encoding="utf-8"))[0]
TypeError: sequence item 0: expected str instance, int found

Qwerp-Derp

Argh the close button using the userscript doesn't work

Destructible Watermelon

reformatted: error is here

move=move_program.communicate(bytes(self.play_input+"\n"+''.join(board),encoding="utf-8"))[0]

Qwerp-Derp

Feq I can't close questions

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Q: Need Help in Java(Tabular Format)?

How does someone "align" left or right in printf strings? I've tried looking it up though nothing really works. Also, how can I field width the top two output lines of code so there's not just a huge space in between? Many thanks! Here is my code (Sorry if it comes out weird, I'm new to this s...

java functional-programming

Destructible Watermelon

oh, it was the board being integers representing chars

betseg

11:18

> Bassdrop Cumberwubwubwub

Best user name ever

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Braincopterify an image code-golf image-processing brainfuck encode steganography Introduction Braincopter is an esoteric Brainf*** derivative that encodes a Brainf*** program as an image. As a 2D language, it uses two additional commands; they rotate the instruction pointer (initially pointin...

Destructible Watermelon

hooray I did a good amount of programming on this thing now

now I just need to implement three more main things:

royal capture ending the game, skipping turns when no valid moves exist, and, of course, validating moves

Anonymous

11:41

Anonymous

Sometimes I really don't understand the logic behind which flags are accepted versus declined

Anonymous

Accepted, declined

Pietu1998

> Exists only to promote a product or service, does not disclose the author's affiliation.

That's not really spam according to the flag details. The mod that accepted the first flag probably also misunderstood that.

I just came across codegolf.stackexchange.com/help/product-support

> Programming Puzzles & Code Golf Stack Exchange works really well for technical support

Welcome to Tech Puzzles & Support Golf SE, how may I help you?

Anonymous

11:56

@Pietu1998 That page needs to be burninated immediately

Anonymous

46

A: Why don't we treat rubbish the same as spam?

I'm assuming that's not what "abusive" in this reason is referring to Abusive means what it says. Don't overthink this. Look... The problem folks have with these is that they see the pile of nonsense and try to extract meaning from it. "Surely if I can determine what the author's intent was...

Anonymous

Two nearly-identical "gimme codez" questions that close together says to me that we will likely have more on the way (either because students don't want to do their own homework or because spammers want to seem quasi-legitimate before spamming up the site). Lots of nearly-identical "gimme codez" questions is a spam problem.

Anonymous

Personally, I think it's ridiculous that SE uses a much different definition of spam than the rest of the internet, but I've ranted about that enough

Pietu1998

Well technically spam originally referred to the viagra emails you get in the mailboxes you use on certain sites

Anonymous

@Pietu1998 Technically spam originally referred to canned processed "meat".

Pietu1998

12:03

@Mego ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Anonymous

> It later came to be used on Usenet to mean excessive multiple posting—the repeated posting of the same message

Anonymous

Spamming

Electronic spamming is the use of electronic messaging systems to send an unsolicited message (spam), especially advertising, as well as sending messages repeatedly on the same site. While the most widely recognized form of spam is email spam, the term is applied to similar abuses in other media: instant messaging spam, Usenet newsgroup spam, Web search engine spam, spam in blogs, wiki spam, online classified ads spam, mobile phone messaging spam, Internet forum spam, junk fax transmissions, social spam, spam mobile apps, television advertising and file sharing spam. It is named after Spam,...

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Q: pssssssssssssst

Introduction This is one is pretty straightforward. We will be drawing a snake in ascii. This was inspired by that old snake game where you have to collect the fruit and you continuously grow. Definition Given a positive integer N that represents the snake's length, draw a snake so that it has...

code-golf ascii-art

Poke

13:20

Why does a suspension announcement have more stars than Mego's recent achievement?

Congrats, Mego

Emigna

Mego's achievement has only been up there half the time of the other post. Give it a couple of hours so more people have seen it and I'm sure it'll be the most starred message on the board.

Anonymous

@Poke Thanks :)

Emigna

And congratulations to Mego of course! Really cool!

Anonymous

:)

Emigna

Do they still have the free project time?

quartata

13:27

I don't think so sadly.

Mego can probably confirm for us (assuming he won't be taken down to the dungeon o' lawyers and leeches for talking about it)

Anonymous

At Google? Pretty sure I saw something about that still existing while I was there

quartata

Oh, cool!

Adnan

@Mego Congrats! :)

Emigna

I thought I heard something about it being removed or decreased, but nice if they still have it :)

Anonymous

Not 100% certain since I don't have an employee handbook in front of me :P

betseg

13:34

And me saying i have 1k rep had no stars ;_;

Poke

@Emigna fair enough

Yodle

Morning

betseg

Afternoon

^^^^ chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/240?m=32162234#32162234

Anonymous

14:07

@quartata Technically I can talk about anything except the interview questions :P

Anonymous

Which is a real shame, because some of those interview questions would make fantastic challenges for PPCG

Downgoat

@Mego copychange?

betseg

Email the questions from a new (not related to you) email address to a list, watch them spread, then tell us to ask in ppcg

TimmyD

Or, better yet, use Google Chrome to email it from a Gmail account to a Google Groups list, where it's published and indexed by Google Search, then search for it from your Google Android phone to increase the SEO rankings, before posting the challenge to PPCG via your Google Chromebook.

Surely they'll never suspect you that way.

betseg

Never ™

Nathan Merrill

14:21

@Mego I know! I also am curious if you had the same questions as I

downrep_nation

;)

Nathan Merrill

I mean, I know they have a big list to choose from, but I'd be curious if we "happened" to get the same one

betseg

Use Thunderbird to email from an @linux.com account to a random list, then use DuckDuckGo to increase SEO rankings, before posting vıa a Dell Ubuntu laptop.

Am i doin it right

Nathan Merrill

oh! @Mego I'm curious what snacks they had lying around at the office. In the Boulder office, there were a lot of granola bars and similar items, but I think that was because they are a very outdoor-sports community there

@Emigna I can confirm that the 20% time still occurs. I discussed it pretty in depth during my lunch

you indicate what you want to work on to your project manager, they approve (and they nearly always do), and you work on it. The caveat is that google owns whatever you work on.

Anonymous

@Downgoat They don't want people discussing the problems or the algorithms used to solve them. I can't change enough of the problems to be able to post them without changing them completely.

Emigna

14:28

@NathanMerrill Yeah, well that's pretty logical as it's during work hours. Nice perk of working there though. Can just about guarantee that at least 20% of your time will be spent on something you're passionate about.

Nathan Merrill

yep :)

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill I'm sure at least some of them were the same. Most of the questions I got asked weren't too unusual, though some were interesting variations on more typical problems

Nathan Merrill

hmmm, most of mine were based on familiar concepts, but not a variation of problems I'd heard before

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill In California (San Jose), there were granola bars and fruit everywhere. Also a coffee bar on each of the 4 floors of each of the 4 buildings. Plus cafeterias in each building, with each cafeteria having like 3-4 different themed areas.

Nathan Merrill

@Emigna also, they allow you to pick what task you want to work on, and allow you to switch projects/locations (within reason)

Anonymous

14:31

In Austin they had some snacks in the break rooms, but I didn't look through them much. Granola bars, fruit, chips, candy bars, etc. The usual stuff.

Nathan Merrill

they really want you to be passionate 100% of the time

so it looks like granola bars are a staple everywhere :)

Emigna

That's a very smart employer :)

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill Yeah that's one of the coolest parts. Hear about a project that X team in Y location is working on? Apply for it, do 2 interviews with that team, and if you do well, Google will pay for you to relocate to Y.

Anonymous

Also their entire codebase is freely accessible by any employee on any team at any location.

Nathan Merrill

...entire codebase?

even their super secret google search algorithms?

Anonymous

14:32

Yep

Nathan Merrill

I didn't know that

that's crazy

Anonymous

From any Google office, you can open up the VCS browser and look through all of the code

Anonymous

(provided you have credentials as an employee, of course)

Nathan Merrill

I'm rather surprised the ranking algorithms hasn't been leaked then

Anonymous

They really encourage keeping track of what other teams are doing, because there's a good chance that it might help you out on whatever project(s) you're working on

Anonymous

14:35

@NathanMerrill Well, PageRank was public knowledge, but it's been deprecated

Anonymous

In fact, the algorithm in use (according to Wikipedia - I don't have inside knowledge) is just a modified version of PageRank. They just keep the variables secret.

Anonymous

And having the code doesn't help much without having the grotesque amount of data that Google has that makes their search work so well

Emigna

Even if they leak, it'll be hard for any competitor to use it to steal traffic as google has basically become synonymous with search.

Nathan Merrill

fair enough

Anonymous

I read an article recently about how Bing is getting overhauled to use machine learning to improve searching. I couldn't help but laugh - Google uses machine learning in basically every facet of the company.

TimmyD

14:38

4

Woo.

Emigna

When you're more likely to find MSDN links on google than Bing it's hard to argue for Bing's existance

Anonymous

They have ML tools that basically give marketers a script to read to customers to get them to buy stuff

trichoplax

@TimmyD congratulations on 10,008 rep!!

DJMcMayhem

@TimmyD Welcome to the club!

Emigna

@TimmyD Congratulations on 10^4+ rep!

DJMcMayhem

14:39

Would you like some caviar?

Anonymous

@TimmyD Now you get to endure the horror of chat flags. May the goats have mercy on your soul.

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betseg

@Mego do you know the specs of the phone that Google will release today? :P

TimmyD

Thanks, all!

Anonymous

Hmm... Get back to work on Actually's compiler, or play video games...

TimmyD

What video game?

Anonymous

14:42

That's the next question :P

DJMcMayhem

@Mego That's a very relatable struggle

Anonymous

Maybe CiV, maybe Destiny, maybe something else

DJMcMayhem

Sans the part about actually

Nathan Merrill

@Mego not cIV?

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill I only have CiV

DJMcMayhem

14:44

I think my polyglot challenge is going to make it to 10K view

It's also probably going to become my all-time highest scoring submission

Anonymous

Anyone up for a game of CiV?

DJMcMayhem

It's a little early for vidya for me.

Anonymous

Hogwash

DJMcMayhem

Plus I don't actually have civ

Anonymous

Oh well now there's a problem

1000000000

14:47

Has anyone looked into the distribution of languages used in answers?

Nathan Merrill

...huh. Not that I know of

DJMcMayhem

@Mego hogwash. Hamwash. Ham jam.

Illuminati confirmed

Yodle

hi

Nathan Merrill

hi

betseg

Argh

I can't buy civ

1 dollar ;_;

Emigna

14:50

@1000000000 Would be interesting to see someone do this

Anonymous

@1000000000 Yeah, a while back somebody (I think Doorknob?) made an SEDE query

1000000000

@Mego That would be interesting to see

Anonymous

Unfortunately I don't have a link

trichoplax

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Q: What are my code golf languages?

I was curious to find out the answer count for each of the languages I golf in. Using the Stack Exchange Data Explorer, I just wrote a query to answer just that and thought other people might find it interesting. Here are my languages. Query with your user id to find out yours. While we're at ...

discussion data-explorer

DJMcMayhem

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A: Golfing Class of a language

K-means clustering by code length Note: This is just a first-pass attempt with a very simple method. There are certainly better ways to approach this but at least this is a start. My approach here was to get all answers to code golf challenges without bonuses that had (at least somewhat) approp...

Anonymous

14:57

@trichoplax That's the one I was thinking of, thanks

DJMcMayhem

@trichoplax That seems wrong to me. It says I have 9 V answers and 0 bflack answers, which I can guarantee are both wrong

trichoplax

I didn't contribute to it, just found it on meta...

DJMcMayhem

It also says I have 55 answers

Emigna

Yeah, only 40% of my answers are caught by that script

Anonymous

I think links in the header mess it up

DJMcMayhem

15:02

> The enjoyment of one's tools is an essential ingredient of successful work. --Donald Knuth

Emigna

@Mego Yeah that's what I figured as well

1000000000

@Mego The versions linked to lower down claim to fix that problem

Also they show total score of all answers in a language

Anonymous

> bfsrs><>funge93thon123

Anonymous

That was a fun polyglot to write

Emigna

The one lower down catches almost all my answers so that's definitely better

1000000000

15:07

The language ix2web has a cumulative score of -3 across its 4 answers

DJMcMayhem

@1000000000 Ah, there we go. 50 V answers, that's more like it.

Martin Ender

Relevant to your interests: Tetris in 446 bytes. Reddit post.

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@trichoplax interesting to revisit this. I have almost as many labyrinth as ruby answers now (also wow, I wouldn't have thought that I'd written over 50 labyrinth answers)

also this really sums up my frustration with the disconnect between my own favourite language and everyone else's favourite language (of mine) :D

labyrinth    54    261
hexagony     28    581

DJMcMayhem

@MartinEnder So labyrinth is your favorite language (of yours)?

TimmyD

15:22

Per answer, my lolcode answers get more upvotes than my PowerShell answers.

Of course, with a sample size of one lolcode answer ...

trichoplax

@MartinEnder I take it the columns are your answers, then all answers? That's still a fair bit of labyrinth interest from the community if I read that right...

Martin Ender

yeah, definitely. I guess I'd say Stack Cats has the most elegant design, but it's near impossible to program in it without sort of circumventing the limitations of that design. Labyrinth is by far the most fun to golf in, and has the most interesting emergent dynamics based on fairly simple rules.

@trichoplax my answers, my total score on those answer

trichoplax

Oh I see

Ah - much less appreciation of your labyrinth answers even though you made far more of them

DJMcMayhem

My vim answers tend to score a lot higher than my V answers

Martin Ender

I guess that's because vim is more relatable than V. Hexagony is the opposite of that :D

DJMcMayhem

15:26

Yeah, that's probably also why nobody uses it yet

trichoplax

I can't get that query to work for myself. It seems to want to point to PPCG meta even if I try to change it, but gives results from main. It only shows two of my answers, both for a code challenge not a golf

DJMcMayhem

I'm working on a massive rewrite to make V more readable. It'll take a while though

Martin Ender

@trichoplax are you using this query? data.stackexchange.com/codegolf/revision/308882/400005/… if it's showing the meta icon, that's because it's the "switch sites" button

(so if it's showing meta, you're on main and vice versa... I've been confused by that a few times)

trichoplax

@MartinEnder I think with Hexagony you get a lot of votes for your explanations. To be guided from complete bafflement to understanding will make people inclined to upvote. That expains why a difficult to understand language still gets highly upvoted, but doesn't explain why it's less true of labyrinth. I guess hexagons have something to do with that though...

TimmyD

Language             AnswerCount TotalScore
-------------------- ----------- ----------
python               7           181
javascript           2           4
reflected            1           30
sierpinski           1           76
table                1           209
action               1           44
belousov-zhabotinsky 1           18
bishop               1           8
diffusion            1           50

(9 row(s) returned)

Martin Ender

15:28

(I find toggle buttons are often a UI nightmare, I never know whether they display the current state or the one I'm toggling to)

Anonymous

People like hexagons

TimmyD

@trichoplax That's your results.

Martin Ender

@trichoplax what Mego said, and the Hexagony explanations look nicer thanks to Timwi's tools

Anonymous

@TimmyD Huh, looks like the query doesn't work for multiple-word language names

Anonymous

"table" should be "table cloths"

Martin Ender

15:30

I've been meaning to write something that lets me export GIFs of Labyrinth execution. maybe that would be easier to following than reading through the explanations (I always have trouble explaining the instruction pointer movement concisely, even though it's usually actually quite intuitive if you know a couple of simple rules)

TimmyD

@Mego Yeah, I noticed that, too.

trichoplax

@TimmyD Thanks. Apart from the first two, they are all answers to tweetable mathematical art (in C++), except bishop which is for the genetic algorithm lab rat race

Martin Ender

@Mego yeah, I get Brian for my B&C answers

@trichoplax your average answer score is off the charts :D

trichoplax

@MartinEnder That's graphical-output popularity-contests for you... I really should start working on some "real" challenges... :)

DJMcMayhem

@trichoplax Holy shit, you have almost 6K with 18 answers?!? That's insane

trichoplax

15:33

I guess it would make sense to exclude closed challenges from the results

@DJMcMayhem More embarrassingly, the bulk of that is from one challenge, which is now closed :P

Martin Ender

@quartata I remember reading somewhere that Urban Mueller has largely withdrawn from the esolang community.

DJMcMayhem

I've always been proud of my points per answer ratio (70 iirc) but you take it to a whole nother level

TimmyD

@trichoplax I just saw your ~~circles~~ turtles illusion. That's awesome. Have an updoot.

trichoplax

@TimmyD Ha ha thank you! That was my first ever post here, and it's where my avatar is taken from :)

@DJMcMayhem I think only one of my answers is to a real golf question, and that only has 2 upvotes. I think it's a lot easier to attract votes on other challenge types, partly because they attract fewer answers

DJMcMayhem

Really most of my points are from challenges anyway. I've always been better at posting them than answering them

TimmyD

15:47

Dang ... xnor's Python game is on point.

Language    AnswerCount TotalScore
----------- ----------- ----------
python      421         3405

Averaging 8 upvotes per Python answer.

Shebang

Hello :)

trichoplax

@DJMcMayhem I tend to feel prouder of a challenge doing well than an answer. If I get around to posting my sandbox challenges I'll have more challenges than answers

DJMcMayhem

@TimmyD I average just over 8 points per vim answer

Votes, not points

@Shebang hi!

Shebang

What's up?

TimmyD

Upvotes for PowerShell are seemingly hard to come by. However, I swear I'm noticing a bias -- it seems more likely that I'll get upvotes now that I'm an "established" user as opposed to a year ago when I was new. Meaning, it feels like my upvotes/answer ratio has gone up recently.

trichoplax

15:55

@TimmyD I guess we could estimate the bias by comparing your earlier answers to recent ones to see if the newer ones are better explained/more impressive. Also we should probably check if the total amount of voting has gone up in the last year - my subjective impression is that it's got busier

El'endia Starman

@trichoplax Objectively, chat has been busier since April 1 of last year.

DJMcMayhem

@TimmyD I've noticed the same thing, but I think I know why. 1) I'm better at golfing than I used to be 2) I post answers sooner, and 3) I just understand the community better, so I post explanations (which trends to get votes)

TimmyD

@trichoplax Oh, that's an interesting thought. Overall volume has gone up.

trichoplax

If votes have gone up overall, then hopefully new users today have a better experience than a year ago

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