The Nineteenth Byte

wizzwizz4

15:00

I wonder what the message is.

HLL  M BT FD M BTTR
EO I A O EE E UE

Hmm...

BUETTR?

HEOLL -> HELLO.

BOT... EFED EM...

HELLO I AM BOT FEED ME BUTTER!

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

NOOOOO facepalm

The Community spirit can't send messages.

It's just a roomba for Stack Exchange sites.

wizzwizz4

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 Then who, or what, sent the message?

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

-.(o.o).-

wizzwizz4

There is a ghost in Stack Exchange! RUN!!!

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

15:33

3

wizzwizz4

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Congratulations!

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@VTCAKAVSMoACE ?

@wizzwizz4 not me, just a random kill in TF2.

wizzwizz4

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ :-(

I hoped that Chrome might actually be gone, but...

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

...

Upgoat

16:05

@wizzwizz4 ಠ_ಠ

wizzwizz4

@Upgoat Chrome isn't as... elegant as Firefox.

Upgoat

Firefox is slow and clunky tho

wizzwizz4

@Upgoat Only because Chrome changes the interrupt cycle to make itself seem fast.

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

I cleaned my disk! :D

From: 1.75 GB

To: 5.75 GB

Total weight dropped: ~4.00 GB

Upgoat

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 thats it?

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

16:11

Yep, I just ran WinContig to defragment a bit of my drive.

Then I ran the Windows "Clean Disk" utility to start actually cleaning the disk.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@wizzwizz4 source?

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

Wise Disk Cleaner was then run once in "Quick Cleaning" mode, and once in "Deep Cleaning" mode, with all things from the list.

That's it.

wizzwizz4

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Can't find it; it was in an article about Chrome using up battery.

Just a sec, it might be in my bookmarks...

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@wizzwizz4 You still use bookmarks to keep interesting articles? :P

wizzwizz4

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 What should I use?

PhiNotPi

16:15

My eighth Quest-for-Tetris blog post, about our data synchronizer: blog.phinotpi.com/2016/06/05/…

wizzwizz4

@PhiNotPi Eighth? Last time I checked you were on two!

Upgoat

@PhiNotPi do you self-host your blog?

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@Upgoat Nope.

Upgoat

if not, what hosting provider do you use, mine keeps crashing due to out of ram ._.

wizzwizz4

@PhiNotPi You're not...

PhiNotPi

16:16

@Upgoat I use the OpenShift platform-as-a-service by RedHat.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@wizzwizz4 Chrome uses battery exactly the same firefox does on my machine.

I tested it once.

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 Please don't answer for other people.

wizzwizz4

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ It definitely speeds it up on Windows, because there's an API for it.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Upgoat if you find a good one, let me know please.

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ @/all Please don't think I'm annoying.

Or you'd get in my ignore list.

wizzwizz4

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 We do don't.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

16:17

That's fine by me.

I think you are sometimes, but not always.

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@wizzwizz4 getpocket.com :P

Upgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ digitalocean

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

:30140661 I have no clue which one is correct grammar, but okay.

@Upgoat for website?

wizzwizz4

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 No. Extra registration when I can just use small text-files.

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@wizzwizz4 You don't have Google?

Upgoat

16:19

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ probably overkill for a plain website, but if you need a full-fledged server its porbably your best choice. OVH is also good i've heard

PhiNotPi

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I like OpenShift because their free plan is really nice.

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

Either way, you do hate web applications.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@PhiNotPi oh okay

Maltysen

@Upgoat google cloud really cheap

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

Does it need wordpress or anything?

wizzwizz4

16:20

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 Google =/ good.

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@wizzwizz4 So you do hate web applications.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

Google is often good.

wizzwizz4

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ But it is not equal to good.

PhiNotPi

1gb of storage, no ads, no explicit bandwidth limit.

Maltysen

@wizzwizz4 wait, so you actually don't have a google account?

wizzwizz4

16:22

@Maltysen Why would I?

Upgoat

@Maltysen google cloud isnt a VPS and is more of a cloud instance like EC2. They tend to seem cheap, but you almost definetly need your server on 24/7, and stuff like EC2 and google cloud adds up a lot with hidden charges >_>

quartata

Almost had a heart attack when I booted up my ancient Macbook to test something and it gave me the "no disk found" stop sign thing. I rebooted and it was fine, weird

PhiNotPi

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ It's often used for hosting generic webapps and stuff, but one of their options is to have wordpress pre-installed, which I chose.

Maltysen

@Upgoat isn't that what a vps is?

> A virtual private server (VPS) is a virtual machine sold as a service by an Internet hosting service. A VPS runs its own copy of an operating system, and customers have superuser-level access to that operating system instance, so they can install almost any software that runs on that OS.

@Upgoat no they don't

well ec2 does

that's why i switched to google

i'm currently paying $6/month

also, if you don't want a full vm, google also offers a crapton of other services, mainly appengine

wizzwizz4

@quartata Did it make clicking noises? :-O

Bálint

16:25

Anyone knows a good resource on creating game servers (software)

wizzwizz4

@Bálint Game Development?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@quartata lol

PhiNotPi

@Maltysen When I first read this, I read it as "appen-jine" instead of "app-engine"

quartata

@Bálint I am the resource

What are you trying to do?

Bálint

@wizzwizz4 Gamedev SE (or SE in general) don't answer "what tools to use" questions

wizzwizz4

16:27

@PhiNotPi So did I! :-/

Maltysen

@PhiNotPi lel

wizzwizz4

@Bálint Software Recommendations?

Bálint

@quartata I just need a general resource about the architecture of such a program

Upgoat

@Maltysen what ram/cpu/etc, are you getting?

quartata

@Bálint Right, but what kind of game are you trying to make?

Bálint

16:28

@wizzwizz4 software recommendations

wizzwizz4

@Bálint Hardware Recommendations?

Bálint

@quartata Small, online, room based games

Maltysen

@Upgoat idk exactly, but its enough to run a bunch of webservers simultaneously. lemme check

wizzwizz4

There's a Stack Exchange site for everything!

Bálint

@wizzwizz4 Resource recommendations?

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

16:29

@wizzwizz4 hardware recommendations >_>

Upgoat

@Bálint use Node and WebSocksts to make it :D

Bálint

@Upgoat I got that far

Upgoat

:D

wizzwizz4

@Bálint Area 51?

Bálint

@wizzwizz4 Yeah, I just had the idea, to propose a site like that

quartata

16:30

@Bálint All right. That usually means the person who created the lobby hosts and the other players connect to that person.

wizzwizz4

@Bálint If the proposal is successful, you might just join the ranks of mods!

quartata

I kinda need more details though :P

If it's just Scrabble or something the technology can be very simple

Bálint

@wizzwizz4 There's only website and book recommendations

Upgoat

@wizzwizz4 halp, how becum mod, i tri fo thirtee wek an no mod

Bálint

@quartata Kind of like those .io games

@Upgoat try to juic it

Upgoat

16:31

i put mod in juicr an suspend

quartata

@Bálint I've never played Agario but that usually means a long-running server with lots and lots of players right?

wizzwizz4

@Upgoat Ooh, that sounds fun! Can I help?

quartata

So it's not a lobby-based thing

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@Upgoat u must win elekshun

Upgoat

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 i tri but no voet

peple haet gaot

Bálint

16:32

@quartata It is, there are multiple "rooms" with random selection

quartata

@Bálint Right, but the rooms aren't temporary.

Bálint

That's why it's hard to get in the same game with your friend

No, there aren't

But I think, they're dynamic

1

Resource recommendations

Proposed Q&A site for people looking for viable resources

Currently in definition.

El'endia Starman

Yeah, the .io games I've seen usually have something like 16 players or so at max.

quartata

@El'endiaStarman Ah, OK.

wizzwizz4

@Upgoat Me no haet gaot?

Maltysen

16:34

@Upgoat k, i have 1 vcpu (no problem, i'm running at 20% usage), and .6 gigs memory(which is also fine at 60% usage), i pay <10% for bandwidth usage

Bálint

@El'endiaStarman slither.io has 32

El'endia Starman

Ahh, okay. I guessed it was a power of 2.

Upgoat

@wizzwizz4 wuold u voet fer gaot in elekshin?

wizzwizz4

@Upgoat Yes.

Upgoat

:D

quartata

16:34

Fair warning this will be incredibly painful in JS but here goes

Bálint

Then there are the games I don't know, because they're very new

like diep.o

Upgoat

@quartata ಠ_ಠ

Bálint

@Upgoat Let it go, there are people, who underestimates the power of the JS

quartata

So you're going to have a master server that stores a list of PIDs of slave processes for each "room"

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

3 followers

Upgoat

16:36

@Bálint You should probably just get started by getting a WS server running

quartata

The master server will communicate with each slave via a pipe

Bálint

@Upgoat I got that too

Upgoat

@Bálint okay, so clients able to connect?

quartata

Clients will connect to the master server and request server info for each slave

Then the user will pick one

Bálint

@Upgoat Yes, it's not that hard trough Node

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

16:37

@Maltysen for the google cloud website hosting?

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

I don't know which example question to ask on the Resource Recs proposal. :/

Maltysen

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ yeah

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

cool

@wizzwizz4 image not found

mınxomaτ

^

Maltysen

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ its not website hosting btw, its they give you a vm

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

16:37

you need to login to see that, and fuck no

@Maltysen okay

quartata

The master server will then put the user's information in a hashmap of some sort where the value is the PID of the slave they're playing on

Then the master will relay any messages to the slave via the pipe

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Maltysen so you have to setup the DNS to point to the vm?

Upgoat

@Bálint okay, now you should probably create a class for each client, storing their info. Keep those in a Map(). When a client wants to connect, you send them back the Map()

quartata

The slave will have an array of entities or something and every tick send a snapshot of the game state back to the master server

the master server will then propagate it to the clients

The clients will then use spline interpolation of some sort to make the transition between the past and the new state

Bálint

@wizzwizz4 @zʏᴀʙiɴ101 Thanks for following

wizzwizz4

16:39

quartata

have fun doing this with Node

Maltysen

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ yeah, they give you an external ip address for it, and you have to get your own domain and setup dns(or use their bajillion character long random subdomain)

Upgoat

@quartata it's probably the easiest to do in node

@Bálint I followed too :3

wizzwizz4

@Bálint That image will link to the proposal. Please star it!

Bálint

@Upgoat Thanks

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

16:40

@Maltysen okay.

quartata

@Upgoat haven't finished

Maltysen

@Upgoat @Bálint i reccommend python. not only does it have great ws support, but it also lets you do subproccesses really easily

quartata

So this will work fine but you'll probably notice that players who are "behind in time" will be at a disadvantage when trying to swallow other people or whatever

Upgoat

@Maltysen ew no Python code is unreadable

Bálint

@quartata I'm not creating an agario clone though

quartata

16:41

You need something called lag compensation

developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/…

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Maltysen What DNS server hoster person do you use?

wizzwizz4

@Upgoat Python is actually really powerful. I ♥ Python.

Bálint

@Maltysen Yeah, but then I would need to learn a new language

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@PhiNotPi noice blog post

Bálint

And you know, Phyton

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

16:41

@Bálint IMO it's worth it.

PhiNotPi

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ thanks!

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Bálint phyton.com

quartata

You should really probably do this in C++ actually

Upgoat

@wizzwizz4 sure it's easy to do something in, but that doesn't mean it's good.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

Not for big projects.

Bálint

16:42

@quartata I do this in Node.js

quartata

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ C++ is the big project language

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

For a game I suggest c#?

quartata

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ fuck no

Bálint

Because you know, why not

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@quartata I was saying not python.

mınxomaτ

16:42

@quartata Actually yes.

quartata

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Oh, OK.

Upgoat

@quartata brb learning c-shapr

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

rekt

Bálint

@quartata I hate C# too,

I could count the games made in C# in one of my hands

Geobits

C# three is even worse

Maltysen

16:43

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ uhhhh, some really shady site that gives you free domain names, but only for a year it was like dot.tk or something

wizzwizz4

@Upgoat halp, how jiuc pifon, i tri fo thirtee wek an no poysn

Bálint

@Maltysen dot.tk

Yes

And there's a couple more actually

Upgoat

@wizzwizz4 juic chedr, it has lot uv juic

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Maltysen oh used that

quartata

@Bálint anyways have fun tell me if you need anything else

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

16:44

thumbs.gfycat.com/SphericalLeanDutchsmoushond-mobile.mp4

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@Upgoat it onli has lot uv chees

Maltysen

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ there used to be a not-as-shady free domain one IIRC .tv or something, but it doesn't exist anymore

Upgoat

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 bu u can juic chez u uz gr8r

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Maltysen do you use a blog format thingy or direct html?

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@Upgoat Ah.

wizzwizz4

16:45

@Upgoat i tri get poysn, no chedr jiuc

Bálint

strawpoll.me/10405292

Maltysen

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ i'm not using it for a blog. i'm actually running actual projects there, like brainfreeze.tk, and a few other things that i'm experimenting on

Bálint

Here, let's vote

Geobits

Someone help. I wandered into TNB at this time of day again.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Maltysen pls link teh wubsite?

or no, PII and shit

Maltysen

16:46

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ what website?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

the one you host with google and dot.tk

Upgoat

@Geobits ;_; y u liek eat gaot but no avocad

wizzwizz4

@Geobits haven'tigotppi.com

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Geobits ikr

Maltysen

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ it was that game that i showed you guys earlier: brainfreeze.tk

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

16:47

@Geobits explain to @Bálint the glory of java.

PhiNotPi

I think the view counter for my blog broke when I made everything phinotpi.com

Upgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ won't fit into a single chat message

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Maltysen o_O you own that?

10/10

@Upgoat he can use multiple

wizzwizz4

@PhiNotPi Make phinotpi.xyz a redirect page.

Upgoat

@Maltysen brb trying to sql inject

Maltysen

16:48

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ yeah

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

10/10 fun game

Maltysen

@Upgoat lel doesn't use sql

everything is done in memcache

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@wizzwizz4 ... click the link

PhiNotPi

@wizzwizz4 Is it not already?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

it is

ninjuic'd

wizzwizz4

16:49

@PhiNotPi Huh.

Upgoat

Pls join brainfreeze game, ID is: '); DROP TABLE Games; --

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Upgoat how does one override the toString property of a class?

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@Upgoat Invalid.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ HAI

Maltysen

@Upgoat it only allows numeric ids

Upgoat

16:50

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ like this:

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ HAI

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

The id is an INTEGER.

Upgoat

class avocad {
    toString() { return "tri fo thritee minut but no juic" }
}

Maltysen

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 well, it can be a float

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

that's what I thought :/ then something else is wrong

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

16:50

@Upgoat brainfreeze.tk/?game_id=410

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@Maltysen But the field can't.

Upgoat

join game id 123, i tri xss

brainfreeze.tk/?game_id=123

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

pls halp i too meta

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

Okay. IWLAM!

Maltysen

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 nvm

wizzwizz4

16:51

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ i-too-meta

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Upgoat start it

Maltysen

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 i don't know how my own game works

Upgoat

idk how game i broked

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

...

brainfreeze.tk/?game_id=123

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@Phi also try Bitly, the best URL shortener that has statistics and custom suffixes.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

16:52

Upgoat

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

you fucked up

Maltysen

who made the game?

@Upgoat want me to clear the server

Upgoat

@Maltysen yes pls

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

So you can have bit.ly/PhiNotPiSE for your SE profile, bit.ly/PhiNotPi for your blog, bit.ly/golqft for the quest for Tetris, ...

Maltysen

16:53

k server cleared, everyone reload

PhiNotPi

I've never played this.

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@PhiNotPi Brain Freeze is a multiplayer game where you have to spot the common number or letter between two lists, then press that key on your keyboard.

It's harder than it sounds.

PhiNotPi

I'm gonna lose badly.

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

See brainfreeze.tk.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

1 2 ad
2 rf 6

press 2

Bálint

16:54

> Upupdowndownleftrightleftrightgoat

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

> How to Play?

Brain Freeze is a multiplayer game where you have to spot the common number or letter between two lists, then press that key on your keyboard. Correct answers award 10 points, and wrong answers make you lose 5. Sounds easy, right?
Well this game may be simple, but its anything but easy. With only 3:00 and racing against other people, its actually very hard. You'll see. Good luck!

> brainfreeze.tk/?game_id=123

Maltysen

guys, brb making a logo

Bálint

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I'm already playing

When does the game start?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Bálint no, that's a username

Maltysen

@Bálint when the guy made it decides to start it

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ o_O

Bálint

16:56

And who is the guy, who made it currently?

PhiNotPi

when are we starting?

Bálint

@Maltysen ^

Maltysen

@Bálint I wasn't the one who made the game

Bálint

Then who was?

wizzwizz4

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Where's the brain stem? The brain stem is a major part of the central nervous system which, put simply, makes decisions while the rest of the brain is still thinking.

Maltysen

16:58

it started now

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Upgoat how do you export a class as the only export in node? e.g. const c = require("thing"); should make c a class

@wizzwizz4 does that brain look like it's making decisions?

Upgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ are you using babel? :3

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

no, node

> export in node

Upgoat

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