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10:00 PM
well, its not how bad your teammates are
is that your enemy can always throw a game
 
@QPaysTaxes Again. Not politicians. People. Gays who swear at others just because they don't agree. Straight people who send hate mail.
 
yay, I (kinda) disabled the ctrl-shift-q shortcut \o/
 
anyways, the entire gendered bathroom issue is really just a bunch of news, because it doesn't actually change what transgender people have been doing
outside of schools.
 
@NathanMerrill Yeah, it just changes what the pervs and pedos have been doing.
 
locker rooms are a whole different issue
 
10:02 PM
What the hell did I walk into?
 
@mbomb007 in what way does it change that?
 
@Geobits the wrong bathroom, probably
 
Huh.
 
@Sparr Ever since the legislation, there's been an increase in pedophiles being caught filming in bathrooms of the opposite sex claiming to be that sex, when they are not.
 
@mbomb007 [[citation needed]]
 
10:04 PM
^
 
@Sparr You think so?
 
@mbomb007 this is quite literally the first I've heard of this. Source?
 
@mbomb007 I'm gonna need to see a source on that claim
 
10:04 PM
> I was the second developer on Google Calculator, after the first developer got bored. At one point someone objected that 0**0 gave the wrong answer. I looked online for good answers (using Google, natch) and found that while there was some debate, "0**0 = 1" seemed to have the best logic to me, and, more importantly, had several of the top Google results.
So in a somewhat literal sense, Google says 0**0=1 because I told it so.
In retrospect, I probably should have left it undefined.
2
 
I've seen multiple news articles recently. Just go Google some.
 
@QPaysTaxes I think so?
Not really sure. I think it's because some people were "uncomfortable".
@QPaysTaxes No they don't.
@QPaysTaxes That's exactly what I was looking for. The biological man, claimed to be trans, and abused girls. In the bathroom.
 
Oh we are having a debate about the transgender law? my 2 cents: it is the most stupid, dangerous, unconstitutional law ever made.
 
@BaldBantha which one? :p
 
10:09 PM
^
 
@QPaysTaxes They ARE. He's NOT TRANS. He's NOT FEMALE.
^
 
@QPaysTaxes ik, but too cool to be fake. :P
 
@aditsu The one where guys can go into women restrooms because obama says so - (You must login to post - retry / edit / cancel)
 
@QPaysTaxes Ok. Maybe so. All the negatives make it confusing.
 
The only logical end game is to just make all bathrooms unisex, no? Get over the entire taboo about separation and there's no issue.
 
10:10 PM
Anyways.
 
@Geobits exactly
 
@Geobits The separation helps prevent rape.
And sexual transmission of STDs
 
@BaldBantha must login? wat?
 
Oh
 
@Geobits not dressing rooms.... and there is a thing called looking over stalls
 
10:11 PM
no
 
@mbomb007 Umm. Does it? I've never known an actual rapist who'd be stopped by a picture on a door.
 
@aditsu thats why it took me so long
 
@mbomb007 you said "Ever since the legislation". Two of your five examples are from before the passing of HB2, and all five of them are from places with no such legislation. You said "pedophiles", and only one of those examples mentions pedophiles or under-age victims. You said "being caught filming", only three of the examples involve filming.

And, more important than ALL of that, you said "an increase", but I see no evidence in your link that those five examples aren't baseline/normal. How many such incidents happened in the same timeframe one year ago? two years ago?
 
10:12 PM
I'm pretty sure "man wears wig, sneaks into women's locker room, takes pictures" was the plot of a bad movie in the 70s, and has been in the news every year since then.
 
@Sparr Again, I have seen several articles recently. I read the news every day, and so I don't know where the articles are anymore, since I use Google for news.
 
@Sparr So... When you have a daughter (I sure hope you don't rn) tell me if ur ok with any random guy going into her changing room a the pool and not getting arrested for it
@QPaysTaxes ROFL
 
But it is happening more that they aren't being arrested when they should
And I said "pervs" as well.
 
@QPaysTaxes I don't want some random chick staring at me while I change. rape, pedo or not.
2
 
Not only pedos
 
10:14 PM
@BaldBantha that's such a.. conservative way to describe it :p
 
@BaldBantha I'm the wrong person to have that discussion with. I'm in favor of entirely gender neutral restrooms, everywhere. If you want privacy, use a private restroom.
 
If you think that separate bathrooms don't discourage rape, I think you're wrong.
 
@mbomb007 give us one example of someone not being arrested for it? even if they are "abusing" the trans-friendly laws to get in, filming in a bathroom and assaulting people are still illegal.
 
@Sparr "Subsequent to this new rule, no one called the police on this man who reportedly came back a second time when young girls were changing into their swimsuits for swim practice."
 
@QPaysTaxes ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
10:16 PM
My favorite point in this whole debate: Why are we banning transgender people from using the restroom of their choice before we ban registered sex offenders from using public restrooms?

@BaldBantha Are you more ok with a convicted child molester in the restroom with your child or a transgender person? If the latter, you seem to have picked the wrong tree to bark up first.
 
@QPaysTaxes Then how come he wasn't charged and in prison?
 
@mbomb007 funny, you're quoting one of the examples that has no filming in it, after you specifically cited filming as your objection to the situation.
 
literally wut is going on.
 
@Optimizer debate about new laws in the US about who can use which bathrooms
 
@Sparr Anyone who is not male (look down to check gender) should not be in the male changing room. DUH It doesn't matter whether they are trans
 
10:17 PM
@flawr Hmm, no, not exactly since that word implies a bunch of bad things happening at once. Chernobyl was one huge mistake, and everything that followed was a direct consequence of that.
 
@BaldBantha you didn't answer my question.
 
another good point is that if republicans have their way, super-macho transgender men with beards and tattoos will be required by law to use the ladies' room
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ some people in the Sci-fi chatroom want small caps layouts, can you make yours publicly available?
 
@Sparr would I rather? I'd choose the trans person, but neither should be allowed
 
@BaldBantha but, if you want to have a discussion about genitalia... Which bathroom do you think people with both types should use? With neither type?
 
10:18 PM
They don't use OS X.
@Sparr They should build a bathroom on the roofs.
 
@Sparr um yeah that is quite rare in nature
 
@flawr That was an amazing story. Even heartwarming, to read of people putting in that much effort to contain the radiation.
 
That's the spirit. Build a new bathroom for every type of person!
We'll have six bathrooms at every gas station
 
@BaldBantha how rare do you think it is? just an order of magnitude guess.
 
what is the trans population % in US?
 
10:19 PM
@Sparr born that way? like less than 1%. Creepily modified that way? IDK
 
@BaldBantha What if they look like a woman when dressed? (It happens, that's the whole point.) I'd probably assume they are a woman and wonder why they were in the men's room.
 
@Optimizer About 0.2-0.3%.
 
ok
 
@Optimizer 0.3% from wikipedia
 
@BaldBantha you're going to have to narrow it down a lot more than 1%. 1% is the number of people who use a wheelchair, and we go to a lot of trouble to accommodate those people.
 
10:21 PM
@HelkaHomba just don't change your gender, people. God made you male/female for a reason. problem solved
 
@BaldBantha ugh. God didn't make them.
 
@QPaysTaxes I love the image that shows him and that trans female porn star next to each other
 
@HelkaHomba >_> confused people cause my hair is 4 inches long. :/
@QPaysTaxes Lynn is trans.
In here.
 
@BaldBantha And there's the crux. Not everyone believes in god or strict gender identities.
 
@QPaysTaxes My friends have long hair and kinda looks like a girl but its not bad for him to go to the mens restroom
 
10:22 PM
@BaldBantha I understand, perhaps sympathize with this viewpoint, but that's too light of a treatment. Regardless of what people should do, you shouldn't ignore how they feel.
 
TOO MUCH POLITICS AND ARGUING
LETS TALK ABOUT AVOCAD INSTEAD
 
Gotta juic em all
 
there was a girl (not trans) who got arrested because she kinda looked like a boy
 
@HelkaHomba Gosh, look down. the difference is clear.
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ yum yum
 
@Optimizer ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
10:23 PM
@QPaysTaxes D:
 
arrested?? man you US peeps take it a bit too far.
 
@Optimizer to juic them is my cause
 
@Downgoat you come in just to post a lenny. ಠ_ಠ
 
@QPaysTaxes confused people. How about if you have male organs, go to the mens room. female organs - ladies room.
 
@QPaysTaxes but if they steal 5 beeeelion dollars, they get a bonus
 
10:24 PM
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ definetly
 
@Maltysen I will juic under 30 min
 
@BaldBantha Not everyone feels comfortable in the gender they happened to be born as. I don't really understand it either but I don't think they're evil perverts.
 
@Downgoat wacth teh speleing pls
 
@BaldBantha I've seen a metaphor that has given me pause, and is much of the reason I don't have a settled opinion on this issue. It was a comic about a caterpillar that wasn't satisfied with their body, felt like they were meant to be something more, and eventually they became a butterfly, and at that point, that was what they were meant to be.
 
@HelkaHomba they aren't evil perverts, but they are confused.
 
10:25 PM
Don't mind me for interrupting the politics discussion, but should Cheddar have a repr operator/function?
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ
 
@QPaysTaxes so they are forced? huh? what?
 
@Downgoat okay.
@Downgoat cool!
and yeah
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ riker wacthler the spelling please
 
ok
 
@El'endiaStarman Humans don't do metamorphasis
 
10:26 PM
@BaldBantha How real do your male organs have to be before it counts? Does surgery count? Does taping a leather pouch to your groin count? Assume that the surgery already happened, and that you cannot make it go away by throwing a religious book at them.
 
@BaldBantha ... you speleed it wrong.
 
@Downgoat Programming topics always take precedence over politics! :D Anyway, I'm not sure. You probably wouldn't lose much if you don't include it.
 
and guys are forced to be guys
 
@QPaysTaxes I can be like: huh maybe I want to be a girl. But i'm not. maybe I'm not supposed to be??
 
Chat mini-challenge!
Evaluate ~{[(~A & B) & (~X & Z)] & ~[(A & ~B) ∨ ~(~Y & ~Z)]}. Language specific: Only compiler allowed is the human brain and language english.
 
10:28 PM
so... who is in favor of the argument that god made them that way and lets live with it?
 
6 mins ago, by Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ
TOO MUCH POLITICS AND ARGUING
6 mins ago, by Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ
LETS TALK ABOUT AVOCAD INSTEAD
aw
 
lol ^^
 
7 mins ago, by QPaysTaxes
Please don't discuss whether or not God did things. That's irrelevant to this discussion.
 
@QPaysTaxes takes 3 seconds at max.
 
@Optimizer which way?
 
10:29 PM
@BaldBantha any way
 
@aditsu God is everywhere. I live to serve him. He is never irrelevant.
 
@BaldBantha :/
 
@BaldBantha Not physically, but that's not the point. What guarantee do you have that someone is born or raised the way they should be? Heck, most of the New Testament beyond the gospels is about transforming the way we live so that we follow God and not the world/Satan.
 
PS: Why don't we simply take a vote from trans people and let them decide?
 
@QPaysTaxes just grouping.
 
10:30 PM
@BaldBantha so, you wanna get into that argument then? not sure which is worse :p
 
@QPaysTaxes {} is standard also.
 
@aditsu I'd rather that than the trans stuff. All this LGBTQ+ stuff is confusing my grey matter
 
@QPaysTaxes really?
 
Also, if God's [non]existence and whatnot is going to be discussed, take it here:

 The Upper Room

General discussion for Christianity.SE, pseudo-meta support, a...
 
After reading this meta post, I second @El'endiaStarman suggestion to take the political and religious discussions to more appropriate rooms.
5
A: Should off-topic chat messages be moved to more suitable chat rooms?

The Unhandled ExceptionIt just occurred to me that there's probably a very clear answer here. Ask the users to create their own room and migrate the messages there. I think as always there's not one single hard and fast rule. If you know the messages are on topic in a specific room, or you know the room owner of a sp...

 
10:32 PM
@El'endiaStarman probably a good idea.. and oh, I think I'm still in that room, I should respond sometime :/
 
I really wish I could put captions on a one box. Then I could have posted that in one message instead of two :-/
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@QPaysTaxes So then, the question is: do you like me or not? ;)
 
@QPaysTaxes so then you love me, right?
 
@QPaysTaxes devil's advocate?
 
@QPaysTaxes ._.
:P
 
10:33 PM
 
@BaldBantha Done.
 
Hey, language design question.
I've want to support certain traits like NonEmpty for lists
the proof would be something like getSize() > 0 and .add()
however, the problem is that Lists are mutatable
 
@Rainbolt Somebody else knows the pain of being overlooked by the SE devs on a postively received !!!
 
so, a list being non empty at one point in time doesn't mean its always nonempty
 
relevant chorus maybe ^
 
10:35 PM
what do you mean?
traits aren't inherited
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Yea. Upvote that guy! (Not me... I got closed as a dupe)
 
aka, I could define a trait for List even though I didn't write List
 
@Rainbolt I did.
 
that's how traits work in the first place
but lets say I have a class
and I want to store a List<NonEmpty> as a member variable
 
ew, java. /s
 
10:38 PM
is that even possible?
 
it's Optional<Java>
 
I mean, a function that accepts a List<NonEmpty> makes sense, because it simply forces the person calling the function would have to make the check
 
oh, sorry
was afk when the conversation ended
 
:29746943 The one that corresponds to their chromosomes, which are indicative of their brain chemistry. XY for men, XX for women.
 
10:39 PM
@QPaysTaxes no
 
@Sparr He's some of the rational that fits my beliefs on bathroom separation: socawlege.com/…
 
@mbomb007 best solution yet
 
@mbomb007 how about XXY? XYY? XXYY?
 
no, because throwing an error still requires a runtime check
 
@Sparr the conversation didn't end, it was just buried, with each side swearing under their breath to crush the other side :p
 
10:40 PM
@Sparr No other combination exists than XX and XY.
@QPaysTaxes YES!
 
if there are going to be runtime checks, then they should be explicit
 
@mbomb007 uhm, say what?
 
@QPaysTaxes It looks like DeepSpace answered it the way you wanted? One of my gripes with generators is that once you loop through them, they're exhausted and you can't loop through them again. This does, however, demonstrate how they work. A generator has its own scope and state that is independent of where you're using it, so if you pull items from a generator inside a loop in a loop where you do the same thing, then you will never get the same item on both levels. Lemme cook up an example.
 
Just because their brain and feelings don't line up with their organs doesn't mean that the body needs to change. If anything, it's evidence of a psychological problem that should require therapy.
 
You're welcome. :)
 
10:42 PM
@QPaysTaxes Sure they could. After all, you can't change your sex. Only your genitalia.
 
@El'endiaStarman I actually can't stand the "terminal" nature of generators. They would be much better if they looped forever, and simply had a "stopping point"
 
@mbomb007 1/1000 births is XXY, 1/2000 births is XYY, 1/60000 is XXYY, and a few people are XXXX. Who told you XX and XY are the only combinations?
@QPaysTaxes just grabbed stats from the first paragraph of the relevant wikipedia pages.
 
hmmm....maybe I need some sort of "local" variable
 
@mbomb007 trudat
 
@Sparr Not a valid source.
 
10:45 PM
aka, if I put the "local" keyword, it ensures that it clones the mutable variable on assign
 
Are you disagreeing with the stats, or with the choice of source?
 
@QPaysTaxes [citation-needed]
 
Anyways, gtg. I'm sure they'll be more to talk about later.
 
@QPaysTaxes just had to ref the xkcd
 
@BaldBantha why are you more comfortable with gay cis women in the bathroom with your daughter than with straight trans women?
 
10:46 PM
@QPaysTaxes well, in Java, you could just call "hasNext", but yeah, I understand
 
@Sparr I'm not comfortable with gay cis women.(see context) (btw I'm 14 I don't have a daughter)
 
I know :)
 
@QPaysTaxes that I don't have a kid? what? I AM 14
 
well, I was talking about generators in general :)
 
@QPaysTaxes see context
@QPaysTaxes one of my best friends sister is lesbian.
 
10:48 PM
ok, so I think the key here is that some attributes are mutable
like size
 
@BaldBantha that's still not an answer. I propose a comparison of three groups of people we might want to keep out of bathrooms with our [hypothetical] daughters. Convicted child molesters, gay cis women, and trans women. If you're going to pass laws and argue on the internet about just one of those groups, which one is the most important?
 
and if you want a trait based on a mutable attribute
 
For the record, if anyone here is straight, transgender, gay, lesbian, bisexual, queer, questioning, asexual, male, female, intersex or any other variation, I have no issues with your right to exist, as long as you have at least some capacity to treat others with kindness and respect :)
 
then you have to make a local copy
 
@Sparr child molestors. then gay, then [straight-as-in-likes-guys] trans
 
10:48 PM
@HelkaHomba Likewise. :)
 
21 mins ago, by Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ
6 mins ago, by Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ
TOO MUCH POLITICS AND ARGUING
20 mins ago, by Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ
6 mins ago, by Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ
LETS TALK ABOUT AVOCAD INSTEAD
@QPaysTaxes shut up.
 
@QPaysTaxes List is just an example. If I do that, then everything would have to be immutable
 
@HelkaHomba likewise just don't stare at me nude
 
@BaldBantha great. I can get behind that priority list, and put off the argument about trans women until those other two laws get passed.
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Why him and not Bantha? :P
 
10:49 PM
@Sparr Not disagreeing with you, but that's a poor argument. Clearly it's more important to keep child molestors out, but that alone doesn't make it not important to keep other people out.
 
21 mins ago, by QPaysTaxes
6 mins ago, by QPaysTaxes
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Ew, no.
 
Oh, right.
 
that was what I was referring to.
 
@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ you're speaking about absolute importance, I'm speaking about relative importance. We only have time to pass so many laws, to enforce them, etc. We currently have just one of the two, and it's the wrong one.
@QPaysTaxes still happy to defer that disagreement until after child molesters get kicked out.
 
@QPaysTaxes I'm listing what i am least to most comfortable with for a [hypothetical] daughter
 
10:50 PM
>_> does nobody respond but El'endia and Q?
 
@Sparr Fair enough.
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ me does
 
anyways, if you assign to a local variable, then you have to clone it
 
anyone else working on the Actually metagolf question?
I'm going to submit a third answer, and it's lonely over here
 
@Sparr Seriously? It's actually lonely with 2 answers??
 
10:52 PM
@BaldBantha But you were just saying that God effectively desires them to be the gender they were born as, so it seem you do take issue with their existence, at least on a philosophical level. I trust you wouldn't act bigoted and rude in their presence.
 
>_> no more politics/gender talk please.
 
Perhaps tentative, but I can understand that
 
@HelkaHomba " I trust you wouldn't act bigoted and rude in their presence" exactly. I don't condone their behavior, but I love(you know what I mean) them none the less
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ K done now
 
@BaldBantha thank you.
@QPaysTaxes ಠ_ಠ
 
hmmm...what happens if clone doesn't clone properly
 
10:54 PM
@QPaysTaxes ಠ_ಠ
 
aka, List has an internal array
@QPaysTaxes compile time errors are a good thing
 
@NathanMerrill there's fancy deepclone in python iirc
 
53 secs ago, by Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ
@QPaysTaxes ಠ_ಠ
 
@NathanMerrill also what is the name of some[thing/one] that you are a clone of? anyone want to make up a word?
 
Say, what will be the next big rights debate after LGBT stuff? Human clones?
 
10:56 PM
@BaldBantha I'm going to go with "original"
 
Designer babies
 
@QPaysTaxes you return a false. same thing as opening a file
 
@Rainbolt my original...
 
Sounds natural
 
1 min ago, by Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ
53 secs ago, by Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ
@QPaysTaxes ಠ_ಠ
 
10:57 PM
most functional languages have errors, but never use them
 
?
don't bring me into this
 
because they can be done in other ways
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I was stopping it
 
C is a mess for other reasons
 
@NathanMerrill my name IRL starts with C so stop the hate
1 min ago, by Bald Bantha
1 min ago, by Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ
53 secs ago, by Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ
@QPaysTaxes ಠ_ಠ
 
10:58 PM
anyways, lets say I have a WrapperList class
all it does is wrap List
 
@QPaysTaxes As of now I admit I'm against those. If my phone wants to start vibrating just for its own entertainment I'd have to draw the line.
 
and I have a NonEmpty trait for WrapperList
 
wrap.^^
 
>>> def collatz(n):
	while n > 1:
		if n%2 == 0:
			n //= 2
		else:
			n = 3*n+1
		yield n


>>> gen = collatz(100)
>>> list(gen)
[50, 25, 76, 38, 19, 58, 29, 88, 44, 22, 11, 34, 17, 52, 26, 13, 40, 20, 10, 5, 16, 8, 4, 2, 1]
>>> gen = collatz(100)
>>> for x in gen:
	print("x = %s" % x)
	for y in gen:
		print("y = %s" % y)
		if y%2 == 1: break


x = 50
y = 25
x = 76
y = 38
y = 19
x = 58
y = 29
x = 88
y = 44
y = 22
y = 11
x = 34
y = 17
x = 52
y = 26
y = 13
x = 40
y = 20
y = 10
y = 5
x = 16
y = 8
Apologies for the big code box.
 
I'm thinking that WrapperList's clone would have to clone the List it is wrapping
 
10:59 PM
@QPaysTaxes C has plenty of OOPs. if( a =! b) c; // oops...
4
 
But anyway, @QPaysTaxes, demonstration of nested loops both using the same generator.
 
aka, clone() is required to clone all mutable variables
 

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