The Nineteenth Byte

Geobits

16:00

@zyabin101 How did ಠ_ಠ fix it? I didn't even think dhje was a mod.

zyabin101

The ninja code of conduct is very strict ಠ_ಠ

@Geobits Fixed.

Geobits

@El'endiaStarman It's hard not to go for the easy ones sometimes :)

El'endia Starman

@Geobits Is "dhje" one of those newfangled gender-neutral pronouns that hardly anyone uses?

Geobits

@El'endiaStarman If by "hardly anyone", you mean just me, then yes. I made it up a while ago because there were too many competing pronouns.

El'endia Starman

Speaking of which, gender-neutral pronouns are having the same problem as browser standards.

Geobits

16:02

Exactly ;)

Nathan Merrill

oooh, found a good one:

'E is laughing
I called h'
'S eyes gleam
That is 'rs
'E likes h'/h'self

we'll finally be able to put down words when you only have consonants in scrabble

which clearly makes this one the best

Geobits

Better yet, let's just get rid of personal pronouns altogether.

Rainbolt

How are those pronounced?

Geobits

> Geobits thinks this is a great idea and is glad Geobits thought of it.

Nathan Merrill

yeah, the h' is tough

but given practice, I think you can make it work

El'endia Starman

16:05

> A girl must have a name

Geobits

Too gendery :P

El'endia Starman

(Yet another meme from a show I don't watch. :P)

Rainbolt

huh-POSS-truh-fee

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El'endia Starman

> This one must have a name

Fixed. :P

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Geobits linkedin.com/in/dhje-sdhdws-08abb91a

Geobits

16:07

Looks legit.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

also, only word in english that contains "djhe"

encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Trondhjemite

Rainbolt

Anyone ever wonder why we don't just use "it"?

I dunno why that word is reserved for animals and inanimate objects

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

^

Rainbolt

I mean, other than the fact that It is a super scary movie

Geobits

Apparently 'it' is dehumanizing. That's what people tell me about babies at least.

Even "Is it a boy or a girl?" gets weird looks :/

Rainbolt

16:09

I'm sure the parents care way more than the baby does about being dehumanized.

Geobits

Sure, they always do.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

^^

@Geobits confirms, minibits doesn't care as much as geobits.

Geobits

Just like parents care more about violence, sex, and crime in games and movies.

Rainbolt

Every baby is a he until I am told otherwise. Never had anyone even look offended. I've had laughs and "She's a she!"

That may just be a Texas thing though. I think people are friendlier here

We drive on the side of the road to let people pass

Geobits

Oh, I thought it was because in Texas everybody secretly wished for boys :P

Rainbolt

16:11

Are you calling Texas gay?!

Geobits

I don't think that'd go over very well if I did.

cat

Visual Studio's GUI can't compile C... only C++... and to compile C, you need to use the cl program, which is great except that school PCs don't have command prompts, so it's effectively impossible to compile C11 on Windows without GCC... what the shit, Microsoft

and to use VS2015, Microsoft makes you sign up / in
this is so infuriating, I wish the school computers had an OS that comes with a C compiler like, I dunno, Ubuntu or Arch...

@QPaysTaxes same :P

@QPaysTaxes blargh

Rainbolt

Are ya'll from Texas also?

cat

Nah

@QPaysTaxes Scout, Medic, Demo ~~knight~~ man, etc

Indiana Jones and a pretty face.

Rainbolt

I was about to suggest a Wizard. Desert circa 1900 blows that option out of the water.

Camel trainer?

Geobits

16:26

"confused blogger"

PhiNotPi

Time traveler?

Geobits

Yea, but dhje doesn't know it at first.

Rainbolt

All of your current classes have adjectives in front of them lol

So every merchant in your game is lost, every nomad is exiled

El'endia Starman

Man, I keep playing with this: spielzeugz.de/html5/liquid-particles

Rainbolt

So maybe your camel trainer is "Dejected camel trainer"

And then we have "Eccentric time traveler"

Geobits did well with confused blogger

cat

16:28

@El'endiaStarman that's so COOL

Nathan Merrill

I've got a XKCD bookmark, but I keep on forgetting that it points to a random XKCD, so everytime I open it up, I think that there's a new awesome XKCD

PhiNotPi

@El'endiaStarman Interesting effect since the size of each particle is based on its velocity.

Geobits

"kidnapped heir"

"scurvy-ridden pirate"

cat

@QPaysTaxes @QPaysTaxes no, only C++

Geobits

"diseased street urchin"

"insane criminal"

El'endia Starman

16:32

@PhiNotPi That's cool, and I especially like the combination of gravity and fluid-like interaction with the particles.

Geobits

"oddball downvoter"

"fake unicorn"

El'endia Starman

"Terrifying Mod"

Phrancis

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El'endia Starman

I'm not that old!

Geobits

@Phrancis Clearly the answer is yes.

cat

16:34

@El'endiaStarman you old hag :P

El'endia Starman

@QPaysTaxes ಠ_ಠ

Phrancis

Figured I'd take a screenshot for posterity before it got nuked

aditsu

> They have balls also.

ballroom dance, perhaps?

TimmyD

> Djhected camel trainer.

ftfy

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Phrancis link?

Downgoat

16:44

@Quill yup, but not with mocha as I'm too lazy to learn that. I wasn't able to get the reports uploaded to codecov but code climate works

@Quill y an?

Phrancis

in The 2nd Monitor, 16 mins ago, by Jeroen Vannevel

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Q: Does programmers need to dance?

we can go on dance practicing, I dont want to but my mother says you will need it even as programmer. They have balls also. I disagree with it So can some programmer and I mean actually programmer who works in some medium or greater firm tell me how it is with dancing ? How you used it in your li...

java

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

lol

thanks

Downgoat

@zyabin101 I personally do not understand the need for private repos :/

Phrancis

@Downgoat private code, eh

Downgoat

@Phrancis they should of asked on code review where it's on topic >:P

@Phrancis what's "private code"?

Phrancis

16:49

@Downgoat It might be on-topic on reddit

@Downgoat Code you don't want the public to have access to

Downgoat

@Phrancis then why wouldn't you just keep it on your computer locally?

Phrancis

@Downgoat because with private repo, you can still collab, just in private with only giving access to who you decide to

Downgoat

Oh ok

Nathan Merrill

@Zgarb thanks for posting on the Tour :)

Phrancis

Also if your PC dies, you're not losing all your private code ;)

Downgoat

17:00

@Phrancis Brb making private repo with all my passwords in a JSON

Phrancis

lolol

Downgoat

@Mego Travis doesn't love goats :(

@trichoplax waddaya mean? Code Review has been here for a while :P

trichoplax

:P

Geobits

17:17

@Phrancis Tempted to vote to undelete. Is that bad?

Downgoat

@Geobits yes

privilege abuse eleven

Geobits

What if I want to undelete it so that I can downvote it and delete it again?

PhiNotPi

What's the recommended amount of code that should be submitted to code review? Becuase, I've considered doing some code review for my crafting game, but my current code is approaching 1000 lines in total.

Geobits

I recommend zero ;)

Downgoat

@Geobits still

@PhiNotPi what I've heard from the code reviewers is to post it all

1000 is well under the 64000 character limit

Geobits

17:23

It should be, unless it seriously needs some review.

PhiNotPi

@Downgoat I didn't realize the limit was that large.

Is that normal?

Downgoat

no, SE increased it for CR

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Simulate a DNA Computer code-golf DNA computers are very powerful computational models, theoretically able to solve NP-complete problems such as SAT deterministically in polynomial time. Your task in this challenge is to write a program/function that simulates the behaviour of a very simple DNA ...

mınxomaτ

A few stats about the codegolf.xyz proxy: In the last month, 1719 unique users browsed PPCG using that proxy. A total of 63303 pages were served (~1 GB traffic). Only about 29% of users choose the experimental SSL page. The most active day had 179 users, the least active just 77.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Downgoat .... you just gave me like 10 emails. gg

and thanks for the tag.

VTCAKAVSMoACE

17:34

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ @Downgoat ಠ_ಠ

Downgoat

you should really disable emails from github

VTCAKAVSMoACE

@Downgoat Eh. It's pointed at my spam account anyway.

I wasn't expecting it to panic when I opened it.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@VTCAKAVSMoACE hey, I got tons from @Downgoat also.

1 min ago, by Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Downgoat .... you just gave me like 10 emails. gg

but sorry about that.

@VTCAKAVSMoACE brace yourself.

Downgoat

hey, I also got like 6 emails

but yeah, sorry about the spam emails

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

^

@VTCAKAVSMoACE okay, should be done until @Downgoat fixes.

Downgoat

17:43

oh god, what happened to the header

wizzwizz4

Help this site groq#w

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

wizzwizz4

@wizzwizz4 Facepalm.

Slightly less embarrassing link!

Downgoat

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wizzwizz4

:-)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

17:49

rofl

wizzwizz4

mho

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Downgoat please keep updating the version number, helps with tampermonkey.

mınxomaτ

@wizzwizz4 rofl my hair off?

wizzwizz4

* head.

Fatalize

"What's the difference between a markov chain and a neural network?"

Downgoat

17:51

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ btw, give the changes a minute to take effect, github caches raws

Fatalize

what kind of question is that, they have nothing in common

Downgoat

@Fatalize of course they do

Fatalize

Not really no

wizzwizz4

Obviously some people aren't sure, so it's a good question!

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Downgoat okay

wizzwizz4

17:53

Commit to the site :-)

Fatalize

technical questions would probably all fit on cross validated

non-technical questions will probably be speculative circlejerk

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@wizzwizz4 please don't post that link again, stop spamming.

wizzwizz4

Sorry.

VTCAKAVSMoACE

@wizzwizz4 (should've been the link)‮

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Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@VTCAKAVSMoACE ihaichu

Geobits

17:55

I'd commit to AI.se if all the answers were written by AI.

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Fatalize

there's also data science SE

so basically AI is redundant for technical questions

wizzwizz4

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A: This would dilute traffic from CS and the DataScience sites

I am not sure about this claim. Assuming machine learning is part of AI, data science often sees ML as an application of its analysis results (well, I should cite a few books here). The DataScience project is more focused on statistics and modeling, I believe. On the other hand AI is also concer...

Downgoat

@Fatalize both are series of interconnected states which are weighted based on something

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Geobits like you?

wizzwizz4

@Fatalize Planning to post that earlier, but thought it might seem spammy. You carried on the topic, so I posted it.

@VTCAKAVSMoACE Stop editing that please, it pings me every time.

Geobits

17:56

You can ask coffee and/or beer questions on Seasoned Advice, but there are still dedicated stacks for each.

VTCAKAVSMoACE

@wizzwizz4 (sorry)

Fatalize

@Downgoat lol, so then the question "what's the difference between spiders and horses" on biology SE would be acceptable to you?

they both have legs

wizzwizz4

@VTCAKAVSMoACE Just noticed what you did: nice work!

@Geobits Some of them will be...

By the way, have I passed the Turing Test?

Downgoat

@Fatalize asking what's the genetic difference between apes and humans would be a valid biology question

Geobits

@Fatalize I'm guessing if you narrowed that down a bit it'd be a good question.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

17:58

^

Downgoat

^^

wizzwizz4

^^^

Fatalize

@Geobits that's my point, difference between markov chains and neural networks is a stupid question as is

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Downgoat the fixed worked, but now it looks fugly.

Nathan Merrill

It'd be great if <script> tags could list their dependencies

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Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

17:58

@NathanMerrill you should probably check your email....

Downgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ i know, the textshadow fix should take a sec to kick in

Nathan Merrill

my email is open...

Geobits

@Fatalize Then say that on A51. Recommend something. There are no comments on it.

Downgoat

@NathanMerrill solution: use babel+browserify

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@NathanMerrill lucky, me and downgoat were accidentally spamming emails by discussing the PPCG design userscript.

Fatalize

18:00

"What are the differences in models generated by HMM and RNN on identical time series?" would be a more meaningful question

but would be on topic on both data science and crossvalidated

Geobits

Overlap hasn't ever been a reason for a site not to exist, unless you can show complete overlap. Even then, my example of coffee.se still stands.

Fatalize

the only questions that don't overlap are the ones like this: "How emotional intelligence could be implemented in AI?"

which are as stupid as the questions in the Paranormal proposal

Nathan Merrill

SO used to completely overlap certain sites (like Programmers)

Geobits

So I take it you won't be committing to the site then? ;)

Nathan Merrill

but adding a site reduced the scope of the original site

Geobits

18:03

Hell, SO used to include [code-golf] too :P

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

lol

Nathan Merrill

but we invented [king-of-the-hill], right?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yeah

Nathan Merrill

(within SE)

Geobits

Oh, within SE sure.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

18:05

@NathanMerrill you and phi are the main KOTH people. :P

Geobits

And [code-trolling], lest we forget.

Nathan Merrill

lol

TimmyD

FordFocus.se

Fatalize

Anyway my point is that this proposal is definitely not aimed at experts

Geobits

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ ahem :P

Nathan Merrill

18:06

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ in chat. We're a lot more visible, but there are lots of other users that post KoTH challenges

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

okay

@Geobits they seem to post mainly KOTHs.

seem though, idk if accurate.

Geobits

I need to post another soon. I'm second on both the asker and answerer lists :(

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

lol

Nathan Merrill

codegolf.stackexchange.com/tags/king-of-the-hill/topusers scroll to the bottom

Fatalize

how the hell am I in the all time top users in code-golf

I don't even answer that much

Nathan Merrill

18:07

I'm #3 asker

Downgoat

@Fatalize ;_; im last

Geobits

@Fatalize It looks like you're in the all-time list for asking, not in the answerer list.

Nathan Merrill

oooh, is there an overall asking list?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

rofl

Fatalize

wait

I think it displays your name as last even if you're not in it

Geobits

18:09

@NathanMerrill Not broken down by tag? I don't think so, except through data explorer.

Fatalize

which is stupid

Geobits

@Fatalize Oh, right. Yes, it does that.

Fatalize

I got it when @Downgoat said he was last when I'm also last

in fact we both suck

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

roflmho

Nathan Merrill

Mego is actually last on code-golf

Geobits

18:10

For asking. Lynn for answering.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@NathanMerrill bad pun... :P

Downgoat

Does any smart person want to look over this question, so I don't look like an idiot because I confused my terminology?

Nathan Merrill

oooh. @Martin has posted exactly 99 code-golf questions

Downgoat

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Parse a Formal Grammar Given a context-free grammar, and a string, parse the string using the formal grammar and output the matches for the non-terminals. Examples First line is string, following lines are grammar, last line is output, examples are separated by --- 123 n -> any of 0 1 2...

Geobits

Damn, I need an 80+ koth to take over Rainbolt's spot :/

Optimizer

18:11

@Downgoat -15

Downgoat

@Optimizer y u do dis ;_;

Optimizer

its on your forehead

Downgoat

@Optimizer no it's not

Optimizer

oh, btw, I have good news from SE team. We are getting our own awesome site design in November. Its a long wait, but it will be worth it.

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Downgoat

@Optimizer we already have a beautiful site design

Geobits

18:14

@Optimizer Oh, you just heard? I posted that a while back. You must not have been in here.

Optimizer

goats are not beautiful :/

@Geobits link or it didn't happen

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

D:

Downgoat

@Optimizer s/goats/llamas/

Optimizer

I did not say that I have a beautiful design

Geobits

@Optimizer Sure, give me a few minutes. On mobile.

Downgoat

18:15

@Optimizer i was tslking about the ppcg site not me

Nathan Merrill

@Optimizer I thought that we were still set to graduate in a couple of months

Optimizer

your design has goats in place of vote buttons

Nathan Merrill

August 8th, if I remember

Optimizer

@NathanMerrill we have already graduated :/

Downgoat

@Optimizer only id you enable thay optio

Optimizer

18:17

having that option itself is not beautiful

Geobits

I don't see why anyone would replace beautiful downvote icons with goats.

Optimizer

trophies for badges? seriously? how much more of a cliche it can be?

Downgoat

@Geobits ill replace them with geobits and antigeobitses, how about that?

Geobits

Or just wait til November.

Downgoat

@Optimizer as cliche as llamas being smart :P

Optimizer

18:18

that is not a cliche

its not even a thing

Geobits

^ true

Optimizer

those are just lame goat facts

Downgoat

@Optimizer i know

Geobits

Here ya go, Optimizer:

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

40 more answers, and the sandbox will hit 1000!

Geobits

18:19

Apr 21 at 17:29, by Geobits

I heard we'll be getting the design in November, though. From a very good source.

TimmyD

Facts about lame goats, or lame facts about goats?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

lol does Sandbox get a badge for that?

Downgoat

@Optimizer says the llama...

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@TimmyD the first one doesn't exist.

Downgoat

Hello @QPaysTaxes!

Optimizer

18:20

@TimmyD lame "goat facts" about llamas

hjklk

^ that's not a very good way to define a struct

TimmyD

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ 40 more active answers ... there are 2422 total counting deletions

Optimizer

@Geobits not even a single star? I think you have lost our trust after playing the "graduation in November" lie.

Geobits

@Optimizer Yes, it's a sad state of affairs. Now people won't even believe the truth when it's presented :/

Downgoat

@QPaysTaxes you don't need to free something you never malloc'd or w/e. It will be left there until the OS cleans it afaik

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@TimmyD woah

Optimizer

18:23

@Geobits don't worry. I am here to reconfirm.

Geobits

Good thing, too. I don't want people to be taken by surprise.

Ton Hospel

@QPaysTaxes: the char array exists as long as thing is in scope

@QPaysTaxes returning a struct returns the whole thing, INCLUDING the char array. So it's a copy

Downgoat

@QPaysTaxes what os thing?

Oh, i missed that

Ton Hospel

@QPaysTaxes: Yes. a struct is the whole memory making up the struct

(but not things it points to of course, only pointers)

@QPaysTaxes: C or C++ ?

@QPaysTaxes Ok, no smart pointers then. Still, you COULD make it a char* and indeed alloc it, but then you have to track its history and where copies end up to know when to free it. . Or build your program with one of the garbage collector librtaries which makes it easy again

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@TonHospel to the rescue!

@BaldBantha i liked the old name better...

Try epicTicTac?

Ton Hospel

18:30

@QPaysTaxes: Yes, though it's conventional to switch the order of level and name (big things first in general leads to less struct padding and accessing level will need no offset)

Zgarb

@NathanMerrill I'm just hoping it won't die off...

Ton Hospel

@QPaysTaxes: struct player { int level; char name[50] }

TimmyD

@NathanMerrill <script emokid.js dependencies='none' whywontyoujustleavemealone='true'>

Ton Hospel

@QPaysTaxes: Probably meaningless here since you don't worry about 50 mostly useles bytes. But generally it makes structures smaller, causing you to use less memory and have more chance of things fitting in cache

@QPaysTaxes: Sure it's a microoptimization and probably premature

Clear code first. optimization never or later if really needed

If padding doesn't matter I usually put importanbt things first. the reader gets tired if he needs to read a huge list of names and starts skipping..

Nathan Merrill

18:51

@Zgarb yeah, I've been posting daily to ensure that it stays to the top of the list

Luis Mendo

@AlexA. Did you see my message? If I didn't explain clearly just let me know!

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@QPaysTaxes answered.

Nathan Merrill

there's nothing like refactoring some code, and seeing how much more flexible everything is

Patrick Roberts

Hey would stackoverflow.com/q/37018833/1541563 be a good question to transfer to Code Golf? I'm not getting anywhere on SO with it and it's been bugging me for a week now.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

Yeah, but prepare for dissent.

Technically meta says golfing help is on-topic, but some people disagree.

Downgoat

18:58

@PatrickRoberts yes, you could

but try to refactor the question so it works better with our site's scope

Patrick Roberts

summary: Solve this problem in MIPS assembly in as few lines as possible?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

no

orlp

Tim and Eric - The Universe + Extanded Scenes (Complete)

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Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@PatrickRoberts if you want golf help, say so.

Don't try to post it as a challenge.

Downgoat

^

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

18:59

Language-specific challenges are strongly frowned upon, though still allowed.

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