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21:00
I'm trying to think of how best to word a comment on the meta answer
> For a language where it is possible to determine the length (or to take input in a different permitted format that precludes the need), I don't see a reason to give an arbitrary compensation for being verbose. For a language where it is impossible to determine the length, I'd rather just say the challenge is not suitable for that language (especially as such cases appear to be rare). Rather than trying to define which languages it's impossible for and which it's merely impractical for.
Something like that ^
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Q: Index of a multidimensional array

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJLower level languages, such as C and C++ actually have no concept of multidimensional arrays. (Other than vectors and dynamic arrays) When you create a multidimensional array with int foo[5][10]; This is actually just syntactic sugar. What C really does is create a single contiguous array of 5...

@trichoplax that looks nice
@Quill Thanks. It seemed to work. The answer was instantly deleted...
considering he's active in chat right now ;p
@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ I hope the deletion doesn't mean the comments were too pushy - I'd be very happy to see the answer left to gather votes one way or another so we see what the community thinks instead of just one or two users.
21:10
Don't worry, it wasn't too pushy.
I deleted it because I agree with most of the objections now that I've thought it over.
I might undelete it though, or maybe it's worth it's own meta post.
Oh good. As you can see I reworded it several times as I was having difficulty putting into words why I objected. And I still didn't address the difference between functions and full programs. Is there a meta discussion somewhere about imports/includes with function only answers?
I seem to remember it from somewhere
Yeah, I don't remember where but the standard is that imports/includes must be included.
They can be outside the function but count towards the bytes?
21:24
<test
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just type the character @LegionMammal978
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He's testing a bot I presume.
It's not bot testing. That never happens in here...
hint hint
My kicking finger has an unexplained itch. :)
but seriously if you are testing a bot there are loads of rooms around the network that'll let you do that
21:38
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Q: Answer validility after edits

muddyfishWe all agree that using language features implemented after the question was asked makes the answer non-competing. But what about after an edit to the question? Say Bob posts a question challenge. I answer using a new super-cool part of my language as a non-competing answer. I then add another s...

This was not what I was expecting from the title in HNQ.
Haha, I thought the same thing.
@quartata No, was seeing if HTML entities work in chat
(They don't)
^^^^^
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ sounds like spam.
isnt spam though.
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ relink caret pathfinder?
22:03
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Uh that's not why...
The original title was "Who in the world buys large primes?"
implying something math or crypto related
@trichoplax Looks like the title has since been edited
@Fatalize Si c'est gratuit vous êtes le produit ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
dafuq?
o_o
n * free = fatalize
22:12
also you forgot to do the conditional mood
and n = 1
yeah, serez iirc
nope
that's future :P
seriez
s/c'est/c'etait/ is what I meant
oh
nvm, wrong place
22:14
because I'm grammar nitpick extraordinaire
bows
I can't even guess what you mean to ask here. Should note that if three people are born during a math class, not a lot of math will be discussed. — lulu Sep 29 '15 at 0:38
@quartata I don't think that's right
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

milesWord Squares Create a function or program that given a list of words and size n as arguments or standard input, outputs a word square with dimensions n by n. The output can be either formatted in a similar shape to a word square, or as a list of the words used in order by rows from the top and t...

> a hypothetical situation is described. In which case the structure "Si + l'imparfait, le conditionnel" is used
22:19
does anyone know of a good square font freely available online?
everyone in there drove faster than the 35 mph speed limit
I was repeatedly trying to access "supperuser.com" for a solid 5 minutes before realizing my mistake. I even restarted my router >.>
@mınxomaτ Supper user would be more interesting :P
22:31
@Downgoat do you agree that, as of ES6, var is really useless?
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ You still need var for some things
Globals
Defining globals in a function
Oh, wait.
give me an example?
I'm dumb.
22:32
you're quartata :p
var is good for clarification, and back-compat.
But that's about it.
I really want the proposed type system and operator overloading soon
I've never heard about these. Link, or something?
op overloading will be amazing though
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ It's on Eich's SlideShare
@QPaysTaxes wat why
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ ?
@QPaysTaxes oic
22:39
@QPaysTaxes If you're rewriting Desert Survival in C++, pro tip: don't bother with ncurses
it's not that helpful
If you must: s11n.net/ncutil
Ah, gotcha.
:29529110 BTW, why use the XOR switch
[a, b] = [b, a] is a lot better in JS, it works for any type
@MarsUltor I just like how it looks :3 btw that didn't ping me and idk why
But the XOR switch is a nice fast number switch
I'm seeing if it's faster than [a,b]=[b,a]
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ XOR should be interpreted as a native XOR
22:41
OK, I just got really confused for a second when I saw In-Game Counter-Strike: Spherical Offensive on someone's Steam Profile
You'd think I'd be getting used to the substitutions but nooooo
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ That probably switches references
@MarsUltor Oh, hm.
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ As in JS xor -> C XOR
@QPaysTaxes One of the XKCD substitutions is global -> spherical
22:42
@MarsUltor ohh.
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ And C XOR is a primitive operation or something (compared to +/*///-)
That's why asm.js does a = a | 0 all the time
It coerces to 32-bit integer
yeah
so does & 1 iirc and ~~
in JS, both [a,b]=[b,a] and the XOR switch seem to be the same
22:44
Browser?
firefox
always
and forever
Ah, OK.
It's probably such a minimal speed adjustment that it doesn't matter
I'd expect [a,b] = [b,a] to be faster
Well, actuallly...
Hm.
Maybe not.
I guess I don't really know what [a,b] = [b,a] does in JS :P
it also switches references I think
Pretty sure array switch switches references
@QPaysTaxes gah, I knew something was wrong
Or x & ~0 / x & -1
22:58
what is this voodoo magic
I have a dream:
that one day I will outgolf Dennis.
wait where
you have done well @KennyLau
just create a question where your score is multiplied by infinity (just in case) if your username starts with dennis
going @miles to beat Dennis
@miles That's an extremely unfair disadvantage for Dennis
23:00
wait edge cases, he might have 0 byte solutions, score must be incremented by infinity, then multiplied by infinity
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ yes
@miles That's even worse than the Lenguage answers
@MarsUltor *fair
or just one more than the longest answer
23:02
I was being sarcastic and kidding just in case anyone thinks I am serious
C+: A language with classes but it just barely passes them
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@ArtOfCode I got the psuedo server working
It only took me 2 hours of watching hybserv with netstat and tcpdump
23:17
I just had an idea... what if I pack every pyth program and use eval...
heck
@QPaysTaxes You're right, fixed
@QPaysTaxes Even when used in jest that's not an appropriate thing to say in chat.
mod abuse 11 plz XD
:29529799 I had this documented in my Jolf tips post
23:37
@Maltysen you used the wrong char btw :P
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ hahaha
@Maltysen Ʀ not R
@QPaysTaxes Because it was a reply to a deleted message
(I deleted your message so it wouldn't get flagged)
What was the message?
23:38
I would consider it offensive and/or rude
I don't understand half the words in the new question... :/
@QPaysTaxes dragons like to eat birds and unicorns :P
@Maltysen Which new question?
@R.Kap it said this (not a rickroll)
@QPaysTaxes sighs
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ ...Seriously?
23:42
@R.Kap yeah, seriously
bad texas
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I don;t see what's offensive about that. I mean, he was calling someone a Richard.
@R.Kap ... did you not click "run"?
Maybe his/her name was Richard.
:P
:p
Chat tiny challenge: given a number N, output a truthy value when it's equal to 5, and a falsey value otherwise
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I did...he called someone a "d*ck" right?
Dick's short for Richard.
23:44
@R.Kap yah, someone = me :P
@QPaysTaxes what language is that?
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Q: Laver table computations and an algorithm that is not known to terminate in ZFC

Joseph Van NameThe Laver tables provide examples of programs which have not been shown to terminate in the standard axiomatic system of mathematics ZFC but which do terminate when one assumes very large cardinal axioms. Introduction The classical Laver tables An are the unique finite algebras with underlying ...

Well, he really did get your name wrong...
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ well, rick can sometimes be short for richard :p
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Ruby
@QPaysTaxes brb learning ruby
23:45
@Maltysen Dick is short for Richard, not "rick".
I will, just after finals
ಠ_ಠ
The Germanic first or given name Richard derives from German, French, and English "ric" (ruler, leader, king) and "hard" (strong, brave), and it therefore means "powerful leader". Nicknames include "Dick", "Dickie", "Rich", "Richie", "Rick", "Ricky", "Rickey", and others. "Richard" is a common name in many Germanic languages, including English, German, Norwegian, Danish, Swedish, Icelandic, and Dutch. It can also be used as a French, Hungarian, Finnish, and Estonian name. == People named Richard == === Rulers and aristocrats === Richard, Duke of Burgundy (died 921) Richard I, Duke of No...
moves ruby down two places on the languages-to-learn list
> Nicknames include "Dick", "Dickie", "Rich", "Richie", "Rick", "Ricky", "Rickey", and others.
@QPaysTaxes Unquestionably.
23:46
Dang...so many nicknames for Richard.
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ @QPaysTaxes ಠ_ಠ
"What's up, Dick? Did you have fun at the party yesterday, Rick? I mean, you can't say it was not fun at all Ricky."
@QPaysTaxes ._.
1. Racket
2. APL
3. Haskell
4. Ruby
5. Java
6. C++
7. Pyth
8. Jelly
Current list.
I haven't moved Ruby down yet.
List of what
racket? racket?!
23:48
languages to learn
@QPaysTaxes I know. Although, I would do it just to mess with them occasionally.
@QPaysTaxes :P
Ce n'est pas vrai!
@QPaysTaxes ¿porquè no te gusta pitón?
23:50
@QPaysTaxes whoa, that's really bad. -3 weeks?
@QPaysTaxes oic :p At least you know some.
Beware, there's a lot of tenses :D
I currently fluently only know Python. However, I have been working my butt off trying to learn a lot about
Regular expressions.
Did you check out regexr.com?
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Yeah, I have.
Though, I never used it. I mostly learned all about Regular Expressions on my own through a lot of experimentation.
23:53
@QPaysTaxes j'ai appris
Speaking of Regular expressions, I would say my best implementation so far is in my answer to this challenge:
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A: Determine If a Challenge is Worth Answering

R. KapPython 3.5, 280 272 260 242 240 bytes: (Thanks to Adnan for the trick about using the * operator in comparisons resulting in 2 saved bytes!) def g(o):import urllib.request as u,re;R=re.findall;w=bytes.decode(u.urlopen('http://ppcg.lol/q/'+o).read());print((len(R('(?:<h[0-9]>|<p>).*python',w.low...

ah nice
'\n' => $/?
wow
My regular expressions in the last code snippet of that answer basically finds all the Python answers, the total number of answers, and the total number of votes on the question, even on those with multiple pages of answers.

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