The Nineteenth Byte

Doorknob

16:00

@quartata .ua sai .ui do ze'i lojbo

zyabin101

@Doorknob .??.????

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ what do you think of my comment on your sandbox post?

quartata

@Doorknob .ui

Doorknob

.i'i

Dennis

Is this vim?

quartata

16:03

But seriously, this is super complicated. The last time my head hurt this much was when I tried to understand visual block mode in vi

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ one sec

Optimizer

oh god NMP/NSP stop being so awesome

Solver

WHY DO WE STICK TO THE EARTH

Optimizer

nice try

Solver

@Optimizer what dya mean

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

16:06

@epicTCK Seriously, golf your submission. I got under 400 bytes.

epicTCK

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ wait u answered?

i was golfing it. I suck.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@epicTCK No. I golfed your submission.

I'm not posting a direct golf :P

epicTCK

what did you do to get it like that?

I think I golfed decently...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Remove whitespace, for one.

Remove unnecessary lets and vars.

Use template strings for "\n"

Return an anonymous function without alerting the hardcoded input.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ go here

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/38249/the-twentieth-byte

Solver

16:09

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I will add you as room owner

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

and start answering the comments here.

Geobits

> ninteenth

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Solver

epicTCK

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ 'return+;' is 7 and 'alert();' is 8 thats only -1 byte

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ this is golf. ninetheenth byte beats twentieth byte. we win. game over.

Solver

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/38293/avocad

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

16:12

@epicTCK still.

quartata

@Doorknob xu la irci cmene #lojban

Optimizer

@epicTCK he has 18th byte too

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

18+20>19

3

epicTCK

@Optimizer he used a standard loophole. He is disqualified.

Solver

@epicTCK aww...

Geobits

16:16

Doesn't matter. These other rooms fail one crucial test: ideone.com/aK3oKp

6

quartata

oops I need an article in front of the channel name don't I

Solver

@Geobits double awww....

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@AlexA. dis url: avocado.lu

and godaddy.com/domains/…

Geobits

Shouldn't it be avocad.love instead?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^

Geobits

16:26

Unfortunately, avocad.juic doesn't seem valid :(

4

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Could you post the thing in chat? paste is blocked at my school

Solver

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Q: Carrot Calculator

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Carrot. Carrot. CARROT! In PPCG chat, it is very common to use any number of ^ to refer to the message above. Once, I beat EasterlyIrk to saying a carrot string, and I had an idea. ^ can refer to the message above, ^^, to the message above the message above e.t.c. Your task, giv...

code-golf

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ @CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ ^

Loovjo

^

zyabin101

@Solver Congrats! You have already ninja'd New Main Posts. He responds in 5 mins or so.

epicTCK

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ down to 427 thanks, but how under 400?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

16:29

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ sure

# EpicQuineLang, 9 bytes

    epicQuine
    epicquineline2with4spacesbefore

^ is it

Solver

@QPaysTaxes moved to sandbox

Dennis

mod abuse eleven

quartata

@QPaysTaxes The mods can edit the feed messages

mod abyus 11111eleven!1

Dennis

@QPaysTaxes No, that's probable the first conscious design decision I made. For all links but the main link, the arity is either fixed or can be set explicitly. For the main link, there were only two options: require a flag (1 extra byte for each prgram) or deduce it from the number of arguments

quartata

@QPaysTaxes Well, they don't exactly control the feed per se

It kinda has a mind of its own

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

16:32

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ yes

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Carrot. Carrot. CARROT! In PPCG chat, it is very common to use any number of ^ to refer to the message above. Once, I beat EasterlyIrk to saying a carrot string, and I had an idea. ^ can refer to the message above, ^^, to the message above the message above e.t.c. Your task, giv...

Solver

@QPaysTaxes IT's not good enough for main, so moved to sandbox

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@epicTCK Use the template string for newline instead of newline, and use .join`` instead of .join(''), e.g.

quartata

Some strange form of multi-line strings I think

epicTCK

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ thnx

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

16:36

@QPaysTaxes They are template strings; they are used for multiline strings, yes, but also for dynamic ways of calling functions, mainly focused on arrays. (IIRC)

quartata

@Solver In case you don't understand what Dennis means, just because id 2543 is a message in the Nineteenth Byte doesn't mean id 2544 is in the Nineteenth Byte; it could be a message in a different room.

Solver

@quartata oh okay - fixed

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@QPaysTaxes Nothing, really; they are only different when used in place of parens.

E.g. alert(`hello!`) is the same thing as alert("hello!"), but alert`hello!` is not necessarily the same as alert("hello!").

BAI

Ow, and how :P

Solver

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ where ru going

quartata

@Solver But what's the current message ID then? It could mean the "current message ID" is 999 even though the last message was 997, meaning you get extra carets

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

16:40

^

@epicTCK You can do this for \n:

join`
`

quartata

Dammit, I forgot my freenode password

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

gg

Sherlock9

I use LastPass for my passwords

Geobits

@quartata Hopefully their recovery process is better than Sony's :P

Sherlock9

Haven't forgotten a password in ages :D But I also haven't remembered more than a few passwords in ages too :D

quartata

16:45

I swear it was the same as my NAO password but nope

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

All my passwords are password12345. There's a zero-width space somewhere in the real thing.

Sherlock9

@quartata Noodle Art Online?

quartata

@Sherlock9 nethack.alt.org

Sherlock9

Ah :D

epicTCK

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ but a linefeed is a utf-8 byte right

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

16:47

@epicTCK No, it's 0x0A iirc

> "\n".charCodeAt()
< 10

Sherlock9

Admittedly, an anime named "Noodle Art Online" would make for an interesting parody of "Sword Art Online". 'The first season had great taste, but the second season was like a wet noodle."

Geobits

I think I like Noodles and Octopi better.

Can't tell if hentai though.

Sherlock9

Sounds decent if it's a seafood shop or an anime about a seafood shop

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@epicTCK You can also remove the brackets around some of the if and for statements and remove the var from var z=0

epicTCK

s='indexOf';k='lastIndexOf';h="#";t=b=>b[0].map((x,i)=>b.map(x=>x[i]));a=i=>{m=‌i.split\n

;for(h of m){m[m[s](h)]=h.split``;}for(y=0;y<m.length;y++){for(x=0;x<m[y].length;x++){var z=0;if(m[y][x]==h){break;}if(m[y][s](h)<x&&m[y][k](h)>x){z++;}q=t(m);if(q[y][s](‌h)<x&&m[y][k](h)>x){z++;}if(z>2){m[y][x]=h;}}}for(p of m){v=p.join``.match(/\S/);e=v?p.join``:'';m[m[s](p)]=e;}m=m.join

\n;m=m.replace(/‌#/g," ");return m;};

is 417

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

16:51

The end part can be return m.replace(/#/g," ")

No, use a literal linefeed.

you can remove semicolons before and after }

zyabin101

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I thought passwords only have ASCII...

epicTCK

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ what is dat

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@zyabin101 'twas a joke

@epicTCK A linefeed? That's what \n is.

epicTCK

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ so how do i type a literal line feed

zyabin101

@epicTCK Push Enter.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

16:54

@epicTCK Press enter.

Ninja'd

zyabin101

ninja'd

ninja ninja'd

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

NINJAD X2

NINJAD x3

This happens too often ._.

epicTCK

and that doesnt shorten the byte count.

i tried it

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I have 396 bytes.

epicTCK

i have 417

zyabin101

16:57

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Ö

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

You have some invisible chars >_>

goo.gl/qdYmI3 <-- le shortened. See if that works.

epicTCK

i now have 411

kthnxbai

zyabin101

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ This should become a meme.

ninja ==> 1334 messages found

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Iterated Matrix Multiplication fastest-code Given an nxn matrix A, an nx1 matrix X, and a list L of ordered pairs in [1,n]x[1,n], determine if there exists some integer k>=0 such that, with B=A^k*X, for all (D,E) in L, B[D]<B[E]. Why it's possible: Every entry of the natural number power of a ...

zyabin101

ninja'd ==> Sorry, your search gave no results.

wat

El'endia Starman

17:03

SE Chat search is not very good.

Geobits

Oh crap, I accidentally closed this tab for like a minute and a half. Did I miss anything?

El'endia Starman

Not really, no.

Geobits

Huh. Maybe I should close it more often.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

BAI

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

BAI

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ y u no post sandbox?

zyabin101

17:12

BAI

(saying bai to Conor)

El'endia Starman

HALLO

zyabin101

HULLO

quartata

@Doorknob What's up with these experimental gismu?

I want to use cadga in a sentence but the dictionary is warning me I might be misunderstood

trichoplax

@Geobits This room runs client side. None of us talk when you close the tab

Geobits

I can't tell if you're saying I should or shouldn't...

trichoplax

17:17

I guess that depends on your judgement of the quality of our conversation

El'endia Starman

TIL about this terrifying plant:

Dendrocnide moroides

Dendrocnide moroides, also known as the stinging brush, gympie stinger, mulberry-leaved stinger, gympie gympie, gympie, stinger, the suicide plant, or moonlighter, is a large shrub native to rainforest areas in the northern half of eastern Australia and Indonesia. It is best known for stinging hairs that cover the whole plant and deliver a potent neurotoxin when touched. It is the most toxic of the Australian species of stinging trees. The fruit is edible if the stinging hairs that cover it are removed. D. moroides usually grows as a single-stemmed plant reaching 1–3 metres in height. It has large...

> The recommended treatment for skin exposure to the hairs is applying diluted hydrochloric acid (1:10) and pulling them out with a hair removal strip.

trichoplax

@El'endiaStarman It's amazing that they have such a strict policy on not importing flora and fauna. It seems the most dangerous plants and animals are already there

El'endia Starman

hahaha

Well, imported flora and fauna tend to be invasive and rapidly overwhelm the native species.

Solver

@El'endiaStarman lol

trichoplax

@El'endiaStarman It just seems amazing that the invaders even stand a chance

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

17:26

@El'endiaStarman HALLO

trichoplax

(I know they do - rabbits and toads are not as helpless as they appear...)

quartata

Koala bears are really vicious though

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ It's good to let it in there.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

I think it is ready though.

@quartata 0/10 how get off face

quartata

16 hours ago, by quartata

Jul 26 '15 at 6:04, by Optimizer

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

17:33

o-o

facehugger

quartata

headcat

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I can't see the image

quartata

You can't?

Optimizer

you died already?

Rainbolt

I'm surprised nobody else responded to this already. Someone opened the door for you guys to ramble on about your favorite language for KotH and... zero answers?

quartata

17:42

oh dear I'm sure Conor is already typing up a JS one

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

17:54

?

Geobits

I'm trying to keep my long rambles down to about one a week, and was hoping something better would come along. Didn't want to use it up on that.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@quartata i died bai

Geobits

@Rainbolt I get that Strip Mine is cool and all, but I don't get why it's so expensive. (brought up by the fact that my kid found one yesterday in the first booster pack he's ever opened)

(and yes, that had nothing to do with what it is replying to)

quartata

@Geobits It's a vintage/commander staple

Also he opened a strip mine in his first booster pack ever???

what a lucky kid

Geobits

Yea, a foil one. Go figure.

quartata

18:02

A FOIL ONE

Geobits

For realz.

quartata

You have to be trolling

Geobits

one sec, lemme take picture

quartata

That has to be worth at least $100

Geobits

Dunno for sure. A regular is around $70 the few places I've checked.

Optimizer

18:04

these are all online cards, right?

quartata

No physical

Geobits

No, I don't play online.

Optimizer

so people play this game physically?

is there a connection with physical game and online one?

quartata

you can turn online cards into physical ones but not vice versa

Optimizer

I used to collect duel masters cards a lot.. but i think the game never went that mainstream

@quartata what's the policy of getting online cards? free? any card?

Geobits

18:05

quartata

@Optimizer wizards.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/984

@Geobits ermahgerd

Optimizer

@Geobits soo all of other players card on the board (non-deck) are destroyed?

zyabin101

@Geobits Ow my gosh. That's really a holo card?

quartata

@Optimizer No. It destroys one land of your choice.

Hence target

Optimizer

ok

so.. anyone knows both duel masters and mtg?

quartata

18:08

@Geobits Strip Mine is still legal in Commander, by the way.

Geobits

Legality concerns me very little right now, tbh. I play casual more than anything else.

quartata

I bet he'd enjoy commander or 100-card singleton. Constructing decks is easier

Geobits

Besides, I'm gonna let him decide whether to keep it or scrap it to get more cards ;)

quartata

@Geobits Ha, good point.

He could get a lot of cards from selling that

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

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A: What language should I use for a single language KOTH?

JavaScript JavaScript is known by a majority of Developers according to the SO survey. It has (pseudo) classes, like this: function MyBot(action){ this.action = action; this.moves = []; } var bot = new MyBot(function(){return "LRD";}); You can do it online, where most everyone who would...

quartata

18:10

What set is that strip mine from, by the way? The diamond mana symbol thing is new

Optimizer

@quartata that's redemption policy.. but how do you get online cards? you buy them? buy any card of your choice?

Geobits

@quartata Zendikar Expeditions

quartata

@Optimizer Online cards are gotten with a currency called tickets

Solver

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ if you want to collaborate with me on node, please do!

quartata

There's a mini economy

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

18:12

@Solver I don't know much about it :P what makes it different from vanilla JS?

Optimizer

i would only be able to play the game online.. no stores here.. no one i know knows.

Solver

vanilla JS?

Optimizer

@Solver how big is the framework though?

El'endia Starman

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Node is essentially server-side JS.

Solver

^

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

18:13

But with include statements or something

Solver

node also uses commonjs (i think) so you can install modules and require("")

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

oic

Solver

oic?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^

Solver

ois then

El'endia Starman

18:18

@QPaysTaxes Try this?

zyabin101

@El'endiaStarman New Blender render for Starman Innovations, Inc.?

El'endia Starman

@zyabin101 Oh no, not at all.

It's an eye sea.

(Well, a Google image search result for "eye sea".)

Solver

lol

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@QPaysTaxes ?

Solver

♦

Sherlock9

18:21

So I'm trying to think of a research topic for a computer science paper. Basically, find a problem that can be solved with computer science

Trouble is I'm drawing a blank

El'endia Starman

@Sherlock9 I'm not terribly surprised. "A problem that can be solved with CS" is extremely broad.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@QPaysTaxes that sounds righ

El'endia Starman

Computer Science as it is today is more than that. Much of CS is now mostly about theory and not application, which would be programming.

@QPaysTaxes Prime factorization.

Traveling Salesman problem. Knapsack problem.

Neil

@QPaysTaxes Wiktionary only lists gold purity under karat; it also gives gem size as a meaning under carat (no e)

Sherlock9

I think he means either a problem in CS or an outside problem (like environmental issues) that can be solved with CS

El'endia Starman

18:27

List of NP-complete problems

This is a list of some of the more commonly known problems that are NP-complete when expressed as decision problems. As there are hundreds of such problems known, this list is in no way comprehensive. Many problems of this type can be found in Garey & Johnson (1979). == Graphs and hypergraphs == Graphs occur frequently in everyday applications. Examples include biological or social networks, which contain hundreds, thousands and even billions of nodes in some cases (see e.g. Facebook or LinkedIn). 1-planarity 3-dimensional matching Bipartite dimension Capacitated minimum spanning tree Rou...

Sherlock9

My friend's idea was to make an app. The lecturer's response was "please include the algorithm you'll use" :/

El'endia Starman

@Sherlock9 Do you have to do any new work?

Sherlock9

@El'endiaStarman Not specified. I assume he'll be more impressed if it was primary research, but I think secondary is okay

I think

Geobits

@QPaysTaxes Hopefully if NLP ever gets that good, we'll ask it to do more than judge Doritos :P

El'endia Starman

@Sherlock9 Alright, that's helpful to know.

Hey, you could look at some of the techniques done for the really hard questions on PPCG.

Well, I was thinking about stuff like the diamond tiling challenges. Lemme go find it...

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Q: Extending OEIS: Counting Diamond Tilings

I promise, this will be my last challenge about diamong tilings (for a while, anyway). On the bright side, this challenge doesn't have anything to do with ASCII art, and is not a code golf either, so this is actually completely different. So just as a reminder, every hexagon can be titled with t...

fastest-code combinatorics tiling

Sherlock9

18:33

My friend said "a parser between two programming languages"

Rainbolt

@Geobits You're gonna want to put that in a sleeve ASAP

Geobits

@Rainbolt I did. Just took it out for the picture.

El'endia Starman

Paul Graham: How to Disagree - I really like this idea of the "disagreement hierarchy". I've been gradually moving towards the stance of "If an argument is wrong, you should be able to point out why it's wrong.", which is essentially DH5 or DH6.

Octal is the only other standard base.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@QPaysTaxes 0u for unary :D

@QPaysTaxes Why not?

zyabin101

@QPaysTaxes 0o or just 0 for octal

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

18:43

I think using Code Review code on Code Golf is perfect. I've always thought of Code Golf as the evil twin of Code Review, and I love both... — trichoplax Jul 25 '14 at 11:52

JS has something like that (0 is deprecated for octal literals or something)

@QPaysTaxes Firefox, and only in certain cases (I think use strict must be on?) I forgot :P

Oh :P

I saw it on an older version from another code (not mine). I'll see if I can recreate when I get home, I'm sure it has something to do with an actual script.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

ohai

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

haiya

Oiha

zyabin101

hello

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

HAI

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

ok

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

18:59

yah

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