The Nineteenth Byte

Geobits

20:00

SE just crashed, guys. It's gonna be a while.

ElectionBot

Unofficial results: Winners are Alex A., Doorknob, Dennis, and Martin Büttner.

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Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Yay!

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Ballot file contains 8 candidates and 512 ballots.
No candidates have withdrawn.
Ballot file contains 512 non-empty ballots.

mınxomaτ

> 2,932 voters were eligible, 1,141 visited the site during the election, 1,126 visited the election page, and 512 voted

Undo

512 votes. Nice job, guys.

Zach Gates

20:00

only 512 voted??

aditsu

@Downgoat I'll just say that all people I chose have a non-unique first letter of the name

El'endia Starman

That's actually really impressive.

Undo

@ZachGates would have been pretty terrible if 513 or 511 had voted.

Nathan Merrill

@MartinBüttner nice job getting the threshold first

zyabin101

Okay, elect someone to make statistics for the election.

muddyfish

20:01

512s a nice number#

Anonymous

Yay I wasn't the first to be eliminated!

Zach Gates

@Undo My point exactly

El'endia Starman

@Mego I didn't think you would be. :P

flawr

Why doesn't it show any results???????

Undo

CMs have to manually run the election, IIRC

zyabin101

20:01

One statistic: I was the user who chose a second and third but not a first.

flawr

They didn't even implement a simple evaluation??????

zyabin101

And all that by lucky accident :P

Anonymous

~21 points before being eliminated is pretty good :)

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

What are the results?!?!

Undo

@zyabin101 Looks like there were three people who did that

Geobits

20:02

The system is rigged! This wouldn't have happened if we didn't have superdelegates.

zyabin101

@Undo :O

El'endia Starman

Okay, looks like Martin was elected first, then Dennis and Doorknob at the same time, then I was eliminated, then Mego, then PhiNotPi, and finally Alex A. was elected.

aditsu

aww

El'endia Starman

Mar 31 at 21:50, by El'endia Starman

I predict that mods will be elected in this order: Martin, Dennis, Doorknob, Alex, with these candidates being eliminated in the process in this order: El'endia Starman, Mego, (and maybe PhiNotPi).

Mar 31 at 21:51, by El'endia Starman

I predict I will be eliminated between Doorknob and Alex.

Geobits

The establishment candidates won. Get big rep out of politics!

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El'endia Starman

20:04

Spot on. :D

Except for being uncertain about PhiNotPi.

aditsu

I was hoping for some change

mınxomaτ

26 secs ago, by aditsu

I was hoping for some change

Everyone after every election ever.

aditsu

not really, change sometimes happens

Nathan Merrill

@El'endiaStarman I'm impressed

New Meta Posts

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Q: A fond farewell from an old-time mod

tl;dr: I'm starting a coding tutoring company, and if you have any interest in coding education, or want to get coding tutoring or be a tutor, email me at [email protected]. I hope to keep in touch with you all! So long, and thanks for all the fish As we wrap up the first PPCG election, i...

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Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

20:05

Wait, so what does the raw data mean? i don't understand the format it's in.

mınxomaτ

@aditsu Still guaranteed to be different from the change someone else wanted.

Chris Jester-Young

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ Its format is described in the original STV paper.

Dennis

2016 Community Moderator Election Results

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aditsu

> the 4 "new" moderators are

Downgoat

Should the election Q&A be unpinned now?

Digital Trauma

20:07

I don't know the implementation details of STV, but there must be a code-golf question in there somwhere

El'endia Starman

Visualization of the results.

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Nathan Merrill

^ wow. look how far ahead Martin is

zyabin101

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ Download OpenSTV, python setup.py install, then run runElection.py in the resulting folder.

El'endia Starman

@NathanMerrill I know! He had twice the votes of anyone else!

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

@zyabin101 Yeah, I was just looking at it in vim.

Quill

20:08

Congratulations @MartinBüttner, @Dennis, @Doorknob and @AlexA.

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Cyoce

Pyth = Python, shortened

Therefore, Java = JavaScript, shortened

Chris Jester-Young

@QPaysTaxes I don't care about degrees. If you are good at coding and good at teaching, then I'd say yes.

Nathan Merrill

wait, who is Exhausted?

Undo

STV thing

El'endia Starman

@NathanMerrill Votes that don't count anymore.

Undo

20:09

@ChrisJester-Young How about minors?

ArtOfCode

@ChrisJester-Young oh, snap then

Oh, and I don't even have to worry about being a minor :D

Forget JIT compilation, I have JIT birthdays.

Nathan Merrill

congrats @DigitalTrauma for being the top runner up!

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aditsu

guys, you're writing too fast, please stop until I catch up

Digital Trauma

@NathanMerrill Thanks

Zach Gates

@ChrisJester-Young: I'm going to email you regarding this business :)

Chris Jester-Young

20:11

@Undo I'd have to look into labour laws and all that, but I have no reason to discriminate against minors per se.

@ZachGates Thanks! I'd love that. :-)

TimmyD

@aditsu Quick, everyone write faster!

Nathan Merrill

@ChrisJester-Young I think as long as you aren't paying people, you're fine

TimmyD

fastest-chat

aditsu

FCITW

Chris Jester-Young

@NathanMerrill I'm sure tutors want to get paid. :-)

ArtOfCode

20:12

@ChrisJester-Young where's the company based? US?

Anonymous

Meta is borked

Nathan Merrill

@ChrisJester-Young oh, I thought you were talking about contributing to the site

Chris Jester-Young

@ArtOfCode I have no idea. (Long story. I'll have to explain this later.)

ArtOfCode

@Mego I was going to say caaaaache but then I saw the list.

Anonymous

Right now Martin is the only mod on Meta (aside from a SE engineer)

Anonymous

20:13

And fixed

Dennis

Where's my diamond?

Anonymous

And broken again

aditsu

@Mego congrats to Kasra Rahjerdi!!! :)

Undo

@ChrisJester-Young Labour laws in Idaho are the strangest thing ever. You can't hire a minor... UNLESS they have achieved "basic academic requirements"

Anonymous

@ArtOfCode I don't think the userlist pages are cached

Chris Jester-Young

20:14

@Undo :-O Yeah, definitely important for me to talk to a lawyer at some stage.

Undo

One of those is "mathematics up to and including the multiplication of fractions" if I remember correctly.

Dennis

All better now...

ArtOfCode

@Undo wat

define 'up to'

Undo

@ArtOfCode also, exemption if it's a family wreath-making business.

ArtOfCode

@Undo uwat

Undo

20:15

I'm not even making this crap up.

Zach Gates

@Undo That's not very unreasonable. He just can't hire any (average) 3rd graders

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Q: 2016 Community Moderator Election Results

Programming Puzzles & Code Golf's first moderator election has come to a close, the votes have been tallied, and the 4 new moderators are: Please thank them for volunteering! And please join me in thanking Chris Jester-Young and gnibbler for their service as moderators pro tempore. Level-...

discussion featured election

Zach Gates

Although it seems arbitrary

ArtOfCode

Pinged a dev about the mod list

Undo

oh, here it is. legislature.idaho.gov/idstat/Title44/T44CH13SECT44-1302.htm That doesn't have the wreath-making thing in it, that might be federal.

Lembik

20:16

@flawr that needs a little explanation :)

Nathan Merrill

you guys know the mantra of "refactor, don't rewrite"?

Zach Gates

Oh, so basically it's a fail-safe if a business wants to hire someone younger than 16

Chris Jester-Young

@QPaysTaxes Cool, let's keep in touch for sure. :-)

Lembik

@flawr I mean I am sure one can solve it.. but to what end?

Nathan Merrill

the problem with that is that it makes language change impossible

Martin Büttner

20:18

Well... wow. Thanks to everyone who voted for me/us/at all. Also, to the candidates who didn't make it this time, I hope you'll nominate yourself again on the next election so that some of your nice faces can join us on the mod team when it grows. :)

Nathan Merrill

aka, you can't refactor into another language

Undo

Oh, here's the funny one: webapps.dol.gov/elaws/whd/flsa/cl/exemptions.asp "Youth working at home in the making of wreaths composed of natural holly, pine, cedar, or other evergreens (including the harvesting of the evergreens).". That's a US DOL page.

El'endia Starman

@MartinBüttner Yep, I'm expecting that @DigitalTrauma will be elected in the next one. :D

Martin Büttner

@El'endiaStarman What is the "keep factor" in the visualisation?

flawr

@Lembik This will provide the bound=)

(I hope)

Lembik

20:20

@flawr I can just ask on math.se if you like :)

flawr

The problem is that you cannot solve it analytically.

Lembik

you want a numerical solution?

flawr

You cannot even evaluate that integral analytically

That makes it somewhat cumbersome

Well I'm looking into that right now0)

Lembik

the integral is sqrt(pi) when c -> infinity

as I am sure you know

El'endia Starman

@MartinBüttner I don't know, actually, but I'll bet it scales votes in some way.

Lembik

20:24

@flawr and the integral you gave is just erf(c)*sqrt(pi)

which is not wildly helpful :)

muddyfish

I think I'm going to disappear for the day

bye!

Zach Gates

@MartinBüttner @Dennis @AlexA. Don't forget to remove "pro tempore" from your profiles :P

Martin Büttner

oh, good call, thanks

Lembik

@MartinBüttner will you report that siegeltheta bug do you think?

Martin Büttner

(will probably do tomorrow, because I can't be bothered with making sure I update all the profiles correctly right now)

@Lembik ah yeah, I forgot about that...

flawr

20:26

@Lembik Right, perhaps matlab has a buitl in erf inverse

El'endia Starman

Oh hey @Maltysen, your Academia question hit HNQ!

flawr

Link?

Lembik

@MartinBüttner cool.. oh and re: the comment from J.M. I think the problem I am posing is much easier that the general task of computing siegeltheta :)

flawr

The one about the plagiarism?

Lembik

@flawr mathworks.com/help/matlab/ref/erfinv.html?s_tid=gn_loc_drop

El'endia Starman

20:27

@flawr yeah

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Q: Is it acceptable for paid online course to use quizzes and materials from elsewhere on the internet?

This question is specifically about a high school course, but it should be applicable to any online course in general. I was taking a physics course online to skip it in school, those courses are really expensive, so I took the cheapest one that my school was allowing me to take, and it was unde...

plagiarism online-learning

Cyoce

Wait. So the joke in C++ is that it's C incremented, right? Because ++ is the increment operator?

El'endia Starman

Yep.

Cyoce

But C++ increments C, but evaluates to the old value

Digital Trauma

...going to get a haircut. Now I wonder if I would have been elected with tidier hair ;-)

Cyoce

When you program in C++, you're incrementing C but programming in the old C

Zach Gates

20:28

@Cyoce C++; C == D

Cyoce

@ZachGates (C++) == D // false

Zach Gates

I suppose not

Cyoce

They should have named it ++C

or -~C

Zach Gates

"Plus Plus C"

Lembik

@flawr fsolve(int(exp(-x^2), x = -c..c)=0.5,c);
0.2554492865

in case you need to check an example :)

Cyoce

20:32

Dennis

@ZachGates status-completed

Cyoce

@Cyoce exactly

Lembik

@flawr I have to go soon.. is there anything I can help with before I do?

in case it wasn't clear.. c == erf^{-1} (k/\sqrt(pi)) which is directly computable

aditsu

I caught up now, you can resume :p

trichoplax

Excellent

Rainbolt

20:43

Hah. I turned attention to an old question of mine and it got a close vote. Are questions like that off topic these days?

quartata

No.

Cyoce

Agggh

it hurts

quartata

what

JavaScript?

Cyoce

@quartata no, but that too

quartata

ah

Cyoce

20:48

It's perfectly valid syntax

El'endia Starman

If that were Python, you would have to do q=str.replace.

Rainbolt

It fails to compile when I do it. Feel free to edit the post with a more appropriate word.

flawr

@Lembik I do not thinkg so, perhaps I look at it again tomorrow=)

Rainbolt

It took me a good two minutes to understand that your snippet was from my post lol

aditsu

@Cyoce it took me a good two minutes to understand you didn't actually have a problem with the code

Cyoce

20:52

I'd just remove the word syntax.

Rainbolt

Fixed

Cyoce

Aggggghhhhhhhhh

quartata

typeof(NaN)=="number"
true

TimmyD

@aditsu You're not alone.

quartata

why

@aditsu Haha

Rainbolt

20:53

Okay, Python isn't a compiled language. I failed again

What can I do next that will torture poor Cyoce...

Okay, fixed for reals now @Cyoce

TimmyD

@quartata Ahahaha.

quartata

@TimmyD I bet you can't guess what language that was

Cyoce

@Rainbolt :(

But I was preparing screenshots! :(

Zach Gates

@El'endiaStarman But then chaining wouldn't work

Cyoce

Rainbolt

20:55

Okay you went from agony to just sad. How does one make you happy?

Cyoce

quartata

Well PyPy JIT compiles it so

Cyoce

@Rainbolt IRL non-browser cookies.

quartata

Depends on your definition of "interpret"

TimmyD

@quartata Looks vaguely .NET-ish, so I'm going to go with F#

Cyoce

20:56

@quartata JS

quartata

@TimmyD Nope, JavaScript

Rainbolt

Wait a second... doesn't it get compiled after it gets interpreted? If it fails to be interpreted, then it also fails to be compiled.

Cyoce

@quartata ninja'd

Chris Jester-Young

@NathanMerrill I've successfully registered this. If we want koth.ppcg.io to point somewhere, for example, we can make that happen. :-)

TimmyD

I know very little about JavaScript. All my exposure to it has been PPCG.

quartata

20:57

@ChrisJester-Young I was very confused for a second when I noticed your name in italics

You're still a room owner

But not a mod :(

aditsu

@TimmyD you happy guy :)

quartata

@TimmyD lucky

TimmyD

.NET buries NaN under the [double] tree -- msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/…

Cyoce

JavaScript is great if you don't mind programming in a vindictive language that is trying to decieve you.

Rainbolt

He's still a mod, right?

Chris Jester-Young

20:58

@quartata Yeah, I created the room, so.

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TimmyD

PS C:\Tools\Scripts\golfing> ([double]::NaN).GetType()

IsPublic IsSerial Name                                     BaseType
-------- -------- ----                                     --------
True     True     Double                                   System.ValueType

trichoplax

@Rainbolt It gets compiled to bytecode so you're kind of right

TimmyD

With its own set of quirks ...

PS C:\Tools\Scripts\golfing> ([double]::NaN)-eq([double]::NaN)
False

quartata

@TimmyD That's normal behavior.

NaN != NaN

aditsu

that's how you detect a NaN in many languages

Chris Jester-Young

20:59

@Rainbolt Nonono, I'm not a mod any more.

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