The Nineteenth Byte

3:00 AM

Why does foo FOO bAr BAz bAZ work as an input string but not constructor length? Because JS decides to be an idiot and transform counts into an array.

Downgoat

@Doorknob you shouldn't be using an object without Object.create(null) ES6 fixes this with Map

Doorknob

^that. And the point stands.

quartata

But you can't use ES6 and be cross platform

Downgoat

14 mins ago, by Downgoat

21 secs ago, by Downgoat

you install the babel plugin in your favorite text editor, then you can use ES6 on every browser

Doorknob

but nobody does that

and nobody should have to do that

Downgoat

3:01 AM

yes?

Alex A.

And nobody should have to do that

Doorknob

@AlexA. heh

Alex A.

Damn samurai

Downgoat

14 mins ago, by Downgoat

@quartata you have to compile C too, is that absurd?

Doorknob

@Downgoat no

apples to oranges

Alex A.

3:02 AM

14 mins ago, by Alex A.

No, because C is a compiled language

14 mins ago, by Alex A.

JavaScript isn't a compiled language

quartata

You do understand that having to use a cumbersome third party plugin for something as simple as this is absurd correct

Downgoat

19 mins ago, by Downgoat

@quartata Chrome, Firefox, IE, Safari, Node, and more do.

only thing non nightly-safari doesn't support is arrow functions

Geobits

@quartata Just use Sencha. It's great and does all things.

Maltysen

doesn't chrome only like have half of es6?

Doorknob

@QPaysTaxes hahaha that's fantastic

Downgoat

3:03 AM

17 mins ago, by Downgoat

Chrome has 97% ES6 support

Jester Tran

what does it mean to cast integer to pointer in C?

Geobits

@Downgoat Chrome does not support ES6 well. I still have to break out FF almost every time I try to test golfed ES6 entries.

Jester Tran

@QPaysTaxes I don't understand

Downgoat

@Geobits really? you need to update then (Chrome doesn't support ES7)

Geobits

My Chrome is updated just fine.

Downgoat

3:04 AM

@JesterTran an integer is an actual integer value. A pointer is a location in memory. That probably means to get the location in memory at the integer.

@Geobits please link to an answer which you need FF for

(you can always use ESFiddle too)

Jester Tran

@QPaysTaxes that is interesting...

so how does casting work?

quartata

Even if he had to update no customer is going to update or switch to Firefox just for one site

Maltysen

@JesterTran ()

Jester Tran

casting from pointer to integer for example

Downgoat

48 secs ago, by Downgoat

(you can always use ESFiddle too)

Maltysen

3:06 AM

@QPaysTaxes IIRC on most computers they are the same width

quartata

Bottom line: JS in production means you have to use ES5, which is hell. I think we can both agree that ES6 > ES5

Maltysen

@quartata just use coffescript

Downgoat

@quartata ES6 is fixed ES5. I can admit ES5 has problems

@Maltysen ES6 >>> coffeescript

Jester Tran

@QPaysTaxes how did the word "cast" originate in this context?

Doorknob

@Maltysen yes, a good solution to "JS sucks" is "don't use JS" :P

Downgoat

3:07 AM

@Doorknob ...

quartata

@Downgoat What if ESFiddle goes offline? You cannot rely on a service that heavily in production

Geobits

@Downgoat K, here's one: codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/50164/14215

Downgoat

oh crap, my server is down

My Ham DJ

Here is an interesting question. What's the minimum number of calculations that need to be available in a stack based language to make it turing complete?

Jester Tran

@QPaysTaxes why is a pointer an unsigned integer?

Maltysen

3:08 AM

@Doorknob coffescript is actually really nice, IMHO almost on par with python except for its lack of "batteries included", for which I just use underscore

My Ham DJ

The stack based equivalent of brainfuck essentially.

quartata

Also having to use an outside service just to run code is not gud

Maltysen

@JesterTran cuz its a location in memory

negative locations make no sense

neither do floating point locations

Jester Tran

@Maltysen ok, understood

Downgoat

@quartata are you saying tryitonline is not gud?

quartata

3:10 AM

@MyHamDJ All you need is two stacks that you can push/peek symbols on and a finite set of internal states

orlp

box256.s3-website-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com

fun game

Dennis

@Downgoat For production code? Certainly not.

Maltysen

@QPaysTaxes he was asking why it was like an unsigned int

I told him why it can't be like a signed float

Downgoat

@Dennis well yeah, same for JS, for production code you'd use babel, it is used by facebook and netflix so it must be good

quartata

Which we've already outlined is ridiculous

Downgoat

3:12 AM

@Maltysen goat float ^

Dennis

@Downgoat (used by facebook -> must be good) hahahahaha

quartata

why should I bother to use your language if i have to install a plugin to make it usable?

El'endia Starman

@orlp That's cool but nope. :P

Downgoat

@quartata why should I need to install beautifulsoup if I want to parse HTML?

Maltysen

@Downgoat you use regexp ;P

Geobits

3:14 AM

Parsing != running anyway

Doorknob

@Downgoat you keep making comparisons that have nothing to do with what's being said.

quartata

@Downgoat That's different from being forced to use a potentially unreliable plugin just to make the language work

Maltysen

@Doorknob its like comparing apples and oranges. ba-dum tsssss

Doorknob

12 mins ago, by Doorknob

@QPaysTaxes hahaha that's fantastic

Maltysen

@QPaysTaxes ya i know. that was the joke

Doorknob

3:15 AM

uh oh, we're stuck in an infinite loop

Geobits

Should've used babel

Doorknob

@QPaysTaxes It's a 12-minute long loop. :P

@Geobits hahahaha

quartata

You know the more and more we talk about this the more and more I realize how awesome Brython will be. I should give it a try

Downgoat

@Maltysen code reviewers got mad when I did that

Maltysen

@quartata Brython?

Downgoat

3:17 AM

@Geobits ._.

Geobits

bro + python. It's popular in colleges.

Maltysen

OMG THIS IS AWESOME PYTHON FOR THE WEB

My Ham DJ

@quartata Is it possible with one stack?

Downgoat

@Maltysen D:

Alex A.

@Maltysen It... gets interpreter in the browser by JS. shudders

Maltysen

3:18 AM

@AlexA. no it doesn't

Downgoat

@AlexA. oh okay +1

Maltysen

it gets interpreted in the browser by js

quartata

@MyHamDJ If you can only look at the top element no. With a queue (push and peek at both ends) yes

Alex A.

@Maltysen Oh, that's what I meant. lel

Kenny Lau

@Maltysen hi

Jester Tran

3:19 AM

(void *)(int)

Maltysen

hi

Jester Tran

what's that shit>

Downgoat

@Maltysen i feel bad for whoever had to write thAt

Maltysen

@JesterTran void * is a generic one

it can point to any data type

Alex A.

You're excused

Maltysen

3:19 AM

so he casts to int then to a generic pointer

Jester Tran

@Maltysen what does casting mean? to cast a wand and change from int to pointer data type?

Maltysen

oh ya duh

Kenny Lau

@Maltysen Would you teach me how to golf this code?

My Ham DJ

@quartata Does it have to be a full on "dequeue" or just a a stack with a "peek bottom" function?

Maltysen

@JesterTran ignore me, i'm stupid

Jester Tran

3:20 AM

@QPaysTaxes ok

El'endia Starman

...I'm pretty sure the past hour was one of the most active hours of this chat in a long time. :P

Jester Tran

@QPaysTaxes so it must be originated from casting a spell

Alex A.

@El'endiaStarman probs

quartata

@MyHamDJ Actually hold up

Downgoat

@El'endiaStarman because people were SAYing all the bad things about JS

Jester Tran

3:21 AM

@QPaysTaxes XD

Maltysen

@KennyLau sure. which code?

Kenny Lau

@Maltysen jkm*d/<Q=hZd

El'endia Starman

@QPaysTaxes Only if you keep responding to it.

Doorknob

@KennyLau jk -> s

Kenny Lau

ah

I will give you guys credit

doorknob for chopping 1 byte

quartata

3:22 AM

I meant a structure where you can push to the end and peek at the front oops

Doorknob

hahaha

quartata

@MyHamDJ

orlp

can someone beat my 9 cycles on the blue square on box256.s3-website-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com ?

Kenny Lau

@QPaysTaxes ok xd

My Ham DJ

Sorry but what's the difference between end and front?

Maltysen

3:23 AM

@KennyLau what's it do?

Doorknob

@MyHamDJ e and h?

Alex A.

@QPaysTaxes And as a moderator on Code Golf, Doorknob takes a byte out of crime!

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Doorknob

@AlexA. wat

Jester Tran

@orlp what the...what is that?

Kenny Lau

@Maltysen sm*d/<Q=hZd map(lambda d:repeat(d,occurences(prefix(Q,=hZ),d),Q)

Alex A.

3:24 AM

@QPaysTaxes I think it's a serious pins only place ;)

Maltysen

@KennyLau what is Q

El'endia Starman

@JesterTran I think "casting" is a reference to this:

@Maltysen "bonobo"

Scruff McGruff, son

@AlexA. wut

3:25 AM

16 secs ago, by Alex A.

Scruff McGruff, son

Jester Tran

@El'endiaStarman thanks!

Doorknob

@AlexA. this does not clarify :P

quartata

@AlexA. oh yeh because seriously stop abusing stars was totally serious

Alex A.

McGruff the Crime Dog

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quartata

what a serious pin

orlp

3:26 AM

@El'endiaStarman nice, lead fumes

Alex A.

@quartata We were serious about stopping star abuse.

2

Doorknob

To be fair, it was on the order of "every single message being starred"

My Ham DJ

Oh no...

El'endia Starman

@orlp I presume he's in a well-ventilated place, or more likely, outside.

Downgoat

@Doorknob @AlexA. Pls clear spam stars

My Ham DJ

3:30 AM

... Everybody just stopped talking at the same time. 0.0

Maltysen

what's up with the imports in Brython

couldn't they have been globals?

?

the browser module

Brython?

@Downgoat my new favorite technology: brython.info/index.html

Downgoat

3:33 AM

-1 not enough jQuery

How will you use jquery now!??!?!

Geobits

If js was a complete language jQuery wouldn't need to exist :P

Maltysen

^

My Ham DJ

^^

Geobits

Also, completely unrelated, but:

quartata

oh wow brython has Markdown

GamrCorps

3:39 AM

goodnight

Downgoat

@QPaysTaxes night

Maltysen

@Downgoat also, Brython has a library for jQuery interaction

Downgoat

@Maltysen +2 fro jQuery -2 for significant whitespace

quartata

I wonder if browsers other than Chrome will support NaCl someday. That would rock.

Alex A.

Rock salt

Hayo

get it? ._.

Doorknob

3:47 AM

I get yolk

Alex A.

@Geobits What... am I looking at?

Geobits

Peter Dinklage eating pumpernickel from a hole in the wall. I thought it was pretty clear >_>

Doorknob

Should I know who that is?

Geobits

Tyrion from Game of Thrones. So... yes.

Oh wait, you might be too young for GoT.

Alex A.

I've never seen Game of Thrones

El'endia Starman

3:49 AM

"might be"?

Geobits

@El'endiaStarman I can hardly claim to have watched only "innocent" programming at that age.

El'endia Starman

I've only seen clips of Game of Thrones, and I'm not planning on watching it.

Geobits

Wait, so nobody else in the room has watched GoT at all? This is an odd crowd.

My Ham DJ

I haven't either.

Downgoat

@AlexA. hahaha

Maltysen

3:51 AM

@quartata but a standards nightmare

@Geobits i've read the first two books

Alex A.

Is Game of Thrones like what happens when the automaton in Game of Life goes rogue?

Geobits

Yes. It's exactly that.

Alex A.

Side note: I only barely know what GoL is

Side note redux: I also don't really care >_>

Dennis

@Geobits We should go find people with better taste.

Alex A.

;-;

I taste great

Geobits

3:55 AM

Or people that taste better.

My Ham DJ

Are you a cannibal?

Downgoat

@Geobits good taste =\= good

@MyHamDJ goats eat everything... everything

GamrCorps

@El'endiaStarman that looks awesome! I need to get some work done still so I only speed read through it, but it looks really good!

El'endia Starman

Awesome. Now to await @Doorknob's actual feedback...

Geobits

@MyHamDJ Start reading here for an answer to that:

Nov 6 '15 at 4:40, by Geobits

Never let a friend die in vain, that's my motto.

Alex A.

3:57 AM

@El'endiaStarman Can you relink it?

El'endia Starman

@AlexA. gist.github.com/elendiastarman/c7fc5d4b401bc59078960ab39a32f789

Alex A.

ありがとう

My Ham DJ

goats

Doorknob

@El'endiaStarman I still think it's... long. Too long to expect people to read in full.

Easterly Irk

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ moar FOG: link.

Downgoat

3:58 AM

write it in pictures

Doorknob

(Also, the reading level's been bumped up to 9.7th grade.)

Zach Gates

hustlenomics

Easterly Irk

> 9.7

Dennis

@Geobits Martin also watches Game of Thrones IIRC. I think he even included a quote into his questionnaire answers.

El'endia Starman

@Doorknob Up? Well dang.

Easterly Irk

3:59 AM

How does that work?

Downgoat

@Doorknob we are also code-golf, it should be very short

Easterly Irk

too fast chat

Maltysen

@Doorknob at least its not a wall of text

Alex A.

@Doorknob Where do you find these 9th graders so quickly

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