The Nineteenth Byte

2:00 PM

@Lembik It's a full blown Ubuntu container with sudo enabled. Travis gives you Ubuntu or OS X and AppVeyor gives you Windows Server.

Mars Ultor

@Lembik Travis is a CI though - it tests if things succeed, so that means no interactivity

Lembik

CI?

zyabin101

@Lembik Continuous integration.

mınxomaτ

@MarsUltor Well you can output whatever you want to the log, which is just a text file. Input is provided by the test commands (which can be any bash command).

Lembik

I am learning a lot :)

Mars Ultor

2:02 PM

Basically, runs every build to tell you if anything is wrong. It can be integrated with GitHub as well to allow/disallow pull requests

Lembik

have any ppcg challenges used it yet?

mınxomaτ

afaik not

Mars Ultor

@Lembik No

Lembik

as this is all new to me I am not sure I should be the first

but I would love to copy what someone else does :)

Mars Ultor

@mınxomaτ I know, but I didn't say you couldn't. I just meant no c9/Docker-style interactivity

Lembik

2:03 PM

unless someone wants to copy my challenge it

I would happily help them

Mars Ultor

Yeah, I'm not sure how people would commit

unless someone ran a bot

Lembik

of course someone needs to actually submit an answer too :)

1 hour and no answers....

mınxomaτ

@MarsUltor They fork the tester repo add their code and send a PR.

You don't even have to merge it to have it run.

Lembik

is there also free gpu usage online?

Mars Ultor

@mınxomaτ Multiple languages may be a problem though

mınxomaτ

2:06 PM

@MarsUltor No. Just set the language to blank and everone adds their installation command to the install script. This way no one can complain about missing languages / compilers / packages etc.

Katenkyo

@Lembik Fastest code, big code challenges, and pop-con may actually take several hours before one wants to post his answer

No one want to post something he's not proud of

Lembik

@Katenkyo you make a good point

Katenkyo

Finding an algorythm and a data-structure as performant as possible can be really hard

moreover, fastest code will often be win by C submissions (because C is fast), everybody knows that, but not everybody is fluent in C

Lembik

@Katenkyo True.

@Katenkyo that's not so true about C

Katenkyo

So be patient, you made a good challenge, there will be an answer :)

Lembik

2:09 PM

@Katenkyo thanks :)

one of my trickier challenges was won by a nim answer

I mean fastest-code challenges

and another by Java

Katenkyo

"often" ^^

Lembik

the point being that it's just painful to write complicated code in C

although it would be faster if you had the energy.. of course fortran is faster still :)

Katenkyo

But it will be faster, because compiled in less ASM instructions than higher level languages

Lembik

I am disappointed by how few fortran answers we have

Katenkyo

Not everybody knows it ^^

Lembik

2:11 PM

I know! :)

but also not everyone knows jelly

and yet we have plenty of answers in jelly :)

ven

nobody knows Jelly :P

Lembik

:)

mınxomaτ

@Katenkyo That is an impossible statement. Is always depends on the program. Loop unrolling creates massive instruction lists than stress your L-Cache (gcc's -O3 and funroll-loops e.g.).

ven

in Jelly, 2 days ago, by Dennis

I don't understand my language. ._.

Geobits

Jelly was designed here for use here, though. Of course it will be overrepresented here ;)

Lembik

2:12 PM

@mınxomaτ what statement was that in response to?

@Geobits :)

Katenkyo

@mınxomaτ That's why I'm speaking of chosing a language, and not about an algorythm or a data structure

mınxomaτ

@Lembik Just hover over the message.

Lembik

@mınxomaτ oh I see.. the problem with optimized compilation of C is pointers afaik. This is why fortran can often be better optimized

Katenkyo

@Lembik but if someone doesn't want to painfully develop in C, he won't chose fortran/ASM either ^^

Lembik

I believe that fortran is pretty much the only language that was specifically designed to be easy for a compiler to optmize

mınxomaτ

2:15 PM

@Lembik Not really, pointers always exist Wether the compiler adds it or not. The Intel Fortran and C++ compilers don't have that much of a performance difference. Both blow other compilers out of the water.

@Katenkyo ASM is only painful if you use it wrong.

@Katenkyo It's algorithm. But "because compiled in less ASM instructions than higher level languages" is so impossible, it's not even wrong ;-)

Lembik

@mınxomaτ I don't get your point about pointers. If the compiler can't work out what the code is doing it can't optimize it well. That's essentially the problem

Sp3000

@Lembik Fortran is basically the perfect mashup of "language so old that classes are starting to move away from it" and "language so verbose that if you tried to golf it it wouldn't look like you're trying very hard"

Katenkyo

@mınxomaτ so I may be using it really wrong :)

Lembik

@Sp3000 :)

Katenkyo

@mınxomaτ How much instructions are wasted for a simple i=i+1 in Java compared to C? or worst i++!

Lembik

2:18 PM

in any case.. nim rocks :)

Mars Ultor

looks at FORTRAN code

mınxomaτ

@Katenkyo Here are five books that explain how and when to use assembly and when it doesn't make any sense: agner.org/optimize (I wrote one, too, but it's in German :P)

Katenkyo

I didn't say it is true in all situations, but most instructions in C will compiled in less ASM instructions than Higher level languages

Mars Ultor

someone just needs to create a FORT language (like MATL vs MATLAB)

Lembik

263

Q: Is Fortran faster than C?

From time to time I read that Fortran is or can be faster then C for heavy calculations. Is that really true? I must admit that I hardly know Fortran, but the Fortran code I have seen so far did not show that the language has features that C doesn't have. If it is true, please tell me why. Pleas...

that's a more accurate answer than I gave

Katenkyo

2:19 PM

@mınxomaτ Even though it is oriented about C++ optimisation (I hate this language...), I'll bookmark it, it may be interesting, thanks a lot.

Lembik

@Katenkyo FEWER not LESS :)

mınxomaτ

@Katenkyo ASM is always used (or it should) for optimization, never as a standalone language. Those books assume that you know that.

GamrCorps

Anyone know of a way to run bash on windows? (Without VM)

Katenkyo

@Lembik Can't edit, thanks for pointing it out

mınxomaτ

@GamrCorps It's coming soon as an update.

Lembik

2:20 PM

@Katenkyo my pleasure :)

GamrCorps

@mınxomaτ really?

mınxomaτ

@GamrCorps Yes. Really. winbeta.org/news/…

Morgan 'Venti' Thrappuccino

@GamrCorps Sourcetree comes with git bash.

Mars Ultor

@GamrCorps Or use cygwin bash or this

mınxomaτ

But until then you can use win-bash.sourceforge.net

Katenkyo

2:22 PM

@mınxomaτ I never had to go into so much runtime that I have to exploit some ASM for optimization. As I said, I may be wrong about ASM as it is painful to me :)

GamrCorps

Thank to all of you guys, Ill check those out

Mars Ultor

@mınxomaτ Turtled

Katenkyo

@mınxomaτ That's the first time Microsoft Hyped me...

Nathan Merrill

cygwin bash is slow. I prefer git bash

aditsu

I prefer Linux zsh :)

Lembik

2:31 PM

there is git bash?

aditsu

btw, salut

ven

coucou

aditsu

so, I recently upgraded my old phone to a new old phone :)

I'm pretty happy about it

unlike most new phones, it runs android 6

Lembik

@aditsu the important question is what version will it run in 12 months time

i.e. will they actually upgrade the kernel

and... can you code for it? :)

aditsu

in 12 months it will probably run android 7

Katenkyo

2:38 PM

@ven A fellow frog?

ven

@Katenkyo hon hon baguette

Lembik

@aditsu you mean they will give you OTA upgrades?

most networks/phones don't do that

aditsu

I don't have experience with android, but I could probably work something out

Lembik

which is why android is a disaster

Katenkyo

@ven We're invading ppcg.lol slowly! :D

aditsu

2:39 PM

@Lembik it's a Nexus 5

Lembik

ah then you will be good :)

great choice

how much was it?

aditsu

2nd hand, about US$100

Lembik

that's a great price!

I want one :)

aditsu

come to HK and you can probably get one

Lembik

I thought the US was now the home of cheap electronics?

zyabin101

2:41 PM

@aditsu Hell Kitchen? :3

having overtaken HK

Hong Kong

:(

@Lembik "not" or "now"?

Lembik

oops

so.. what is the best phone for under 300 dollars these days?

aditsu

2:42 PM

maybe you can find something similar on ebay, I don't know

Lembik

I am not sure I trust ebay any more

aditsu

but my phone comes with warranty from the shop

somebody recommended me a Zuk Z1

Geobits

@Lembik Android is hardly a disaster ;)

Katenkyo

@Lembik Nokia 3310 :)

Lembik

@Geobits I think for security it is

@Geobits I mean it's what I use.. but I am aware that I am taking a big risk

@Katenkyo good call!

the security problem is simple.. people, like me, run versions of the kernel that are 12months+ old

without any of the patches.. because we are not offered a kernel upgrade

in fact almost everyone does

Geobits

2:45 PM

I weigh the risks based on experience. Neither I nor anyone I know has ever had their phone exploited due to a security flaw, and I know a lot of people with androids.

TimmyD

That's almost entirely the fault of the network operators ... who shouldn't even be in the middle. I don't need Comcast weighing in on a Windows update, so why does Verizon get to weigh in on a cell phone update?

Lembik

@Geobits this is a good point so really it depends on your appetite for risk

@TimmyD yes

Katenkyo

@Lembik My kernel is 30 months+ old :D

Lembik

@Katenkyo :)

aditsu

let me see what kernel I had on my old phone :p

Lembik

2:46 PM

the latest version of android for the galaxy s4 is 5.0.1 for example

there just is no more recent version

Katenkyo

Actually, if you don't do risky things with your phone, you don't have to care a lot about the potential breaches

Geobits

this ^

aditsu

2.6.32

Lembik

@Katenkyo I am not sure that is 100% true

aditsu

there were some media-related exploits

Geobits

2:48 PM

Even on an outdated kernel, it's more secure than most desktops :P

Katenkyo

That is, unless you're scared about a stranger see the message you send to your wife, but again, it's a pretty small things and won't harm you even if someone who don't know you and who you don't know have them

Lembik

kernel version 3.4.0-4760392 whatever that means

@Katenkyo I am worried about people reading and writing my emails

as my phone has full access to my gmail account

which includes lots of personal details in the X GB of emails

Katenkyo

@Lembik That's a thing I call "risky"

Lembik

but we all use our smartphones to read our emails

and no one types in their password each time they want to do that

Katenkyo

But even here, it's still safer than having your account info on a USB-storage, right?

Lembik

2:49 PM

not really. I mean how are you going to remotely hack into usb storage?

Katenkyo

I don't read my email from my phone, so there's not risk about that

Lembik

@Katenkyo ah :) hence the nokia 3310

Katenkyo

I don't pay or anything with it

Lembik

I am not so worried by the paying part

for some reason

Geobits

I read emails from my phone, but only I do. Nobody's hacked into it.

TimmyD

2:51 PM

Security, like most things in life, is a compromise. Here, you're compromising risk vs convenience.

Lembik

@TimmyD well.. I wouldn't mind if my phone upgraded itself every now and then!

that wouldn't be inconvenient

Katenkyo

@Lembik If your phone is shutted down, how are you going to remotely hack it? :)

Lembik

@Katenkyo I am not sure I understand what you mean

Katenkyo

A phone contains encrypted datas, a USB does not

Geobits

@Lembik If you care about security, be proactive and update it yourself. It's not very hard.

Lembik

2:52 PM

@Geobits it's not possible!

there is no later android version

for the galaxy s4

Geobits

@Lembik Please tell me this phone model that is impossible to root/upgrade.

Lembik

see above

aditsu

I guess Geobits is telling you to install a custom ROM

Lembik

ah...

Katenkyo

@Lembik If you're USB-storage is connected to one of your computers, it becomes possible to remotely hack it using your pC

Lembik

2:53 PM

I can't say I am very confident about what you get if you do thta

@Katenkyo true

Geobits

@Lembik forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s4

Katenkyo

@Lembik You get the exact same thing as if you don't

Lembik

@Geobits thanks.. I know about that but I need to know a person who has done it first to tell what you really get

Katenkyo

Just be care, it's like installing a linux: you could destroy your phone ;)

Lembik

@Katenkyo I will buy a google phone instead next time. It's the easiest solution

Geobits

2:54 PM

Meh, I've never bricked anything. Most have very simple step-by-step instructions

@Lembik You get the latest updates (assuming you install the latest), exactly what you're saying you want.

TimmyD

Rooting your phone to install a custom ROM is defined as "very hard" for the average person.

Katenkyo

@TimmyD But we here are a bunch of guys who hacks around with dark features of obscure languages, it should be good enough ^^

Geobits

@TimmyD For the average person, I'd say that's true. For the average person here, I wouldn't.

Lembik

@Geobits I used to read the forums for these things and they always listed weird bugs.

@Geobits is it all very safe and simple these days?

bugs like bluetooth not working

Katenkyo

@Lembik Android Always had weird bugs

Geobits

2:55 PM

It's a lot simpler than it was with my old HTC magic for damn sure :P

Lembik

:)

aditsu

I rooted my old phone and my tablet, not the Nexus 5 yet; also, never installed a custom ROM

Lembik

2 hours and no answer!!

Geobits

I won't say it's 100% safe, but I will say I've rooted 20+ phones/tablets with no bricks.

Katenkyo

Mine will not ring/vibrate on incoming message if the message app' is open

Lembik

2:56 PM

@Geobits how many were yours? :)

there are lots of simple things I don't get about android :)

Katenkyo

If you open the app, it opens the last conv' you had, if you want to chose an other, you have to close it again, then re-open it :)

(it's one of many things :D)

Lembik

ah!

Geobits

@Lembik Umm... HTC Magic, Galaxy S, Galaxy S2, Xoom, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 5... I think those are the only ones of mine I did.

aditsu

@Lembik no answer to what?

Lembik

@aditsu codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/77051/…

TimmyD

2:57 PM

@Geobits Ah, I didn't realize you were specifically talking here. I thought we were still speaking in the abstract population-at-large.

aditsu

oh, a challenge; here is my chance to break the threshold

ah, fastest-code, hmm

Geobits

The only android I've had a real issue rooting recently was a Kindle Fire HD 7", and that's only because it's barely an android at all.

It made me even more sure that I won't ever buy an Amazon device.

TimmyD

Kindle Fire is to Android as TimmyD is to a developer.

Katenkyo

@TimmyD Something strange and without a defined shape?

Geobits

Basically :P

aditsu

3:00 PM

@Lembik looks like too much work :p

I'll do another one instead

Geobits

That entire challenge looks like it is intended as code for "Go away, Geobits".

;)

aditsu

damn, that Jelly is quite something

Katenkyo

I felt the same, math are a field I hate to see placed in theory...

Despite I'm fine applied math fields (Electrotechnics, Mechanics, Electronics...)

Kenny Lau

3:25 PM

@Doorknob How would you filter those whose length <2 ?

in Pyth?

yep

f<lT2

no # for me? :(

well, you have to take the length first, which means you can't use #

Kenny Lau

3:28 PM

ok

Doorknob

oh, f!PT is golfier

orlp

touch da fishy

2

Kenny Lau

wow

does 05AB1E have a:rep(5)?

Nathan Merrill

@orlp I frequently see these edits (which change a gif into a link) (and I appreciate). Is this mods doing it, or did you make the edit?

aditsu

@orlp "oh my god I'm gonna drown you" :p

orlp

3:34 PM

@NathanMerrill I did

I generally display a gif for like 10-30 sec

then edit it

Nathan Merrill

ah cool.

well, thank you :)

orlp

that way people get to see it

Nathan Merrill

I don't like watching it on repeat

yeah

orlp

but are not forced to have flashy stuff on their screen for minutes

aditsu

I think I just saw the loading gif

himarm jr

3:38 PM

I posted to CR for my second time.

They have my soul.

Nathan Merrill

xkcd.com

I'm not sure what the point is yet

trichoplax

Your soul is going to end up eminently readable

@NathanMerrill Takes a while to grow...

Nathan Merrill

oooh, you can change the color of the lights

Downgoat

@himarmjr what did you do to your username

Nathan Merrill

bah, this is worse than a clicker game

himarm jr

3:40 PM

@Downgoat chhanged it

Is explain xkcd down for anyone else?

Downgoat

@himarmjr yes

himarm jr

@Downgoat after a conversation with @Himarm on scifi chat.

Himarm

28.1k 7 104 182

harry-potter star-trek wheel-of-time star-trek-tng star-wars lord-of-the-rings borg

trichoplax

@himarmjr Only the gallery for me

Downgoat

@himarmjr why no capitalization

himarm jr

funness

himarm has a record of sucky spelling

trichoplax

3:42 PM

@NathanMerrill You can makes the lights wide or narrow beam too...

Nathan Merrill

yeah, but that was more obvious

the little circle wasn't at first

trichoplax

OK - I found the colours before the beam width...

Nathan Merrill

lol

trichoplax

I didn't realise the triangle controlled both direction and width

Downgoat

@himarmjr I never thought I would be so bothered by capitalization ._.

aditsu

3:45 PM

Image from origin 'http://xkcd.com' has been blocked from loading by Cross-Origin Resource Sharing policy: No 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' header is present on the requested resource. Origin 'http://www.xkcd.com' is therefore not allowed access.

Nathan Merrill

there's a person in my garden

I have no idea what they are doing there

trichoplax

@NathanMerrill My lights grew a pillar (perhaps a bird bath?)

zyabin101

@himarmjr Works fine for me, however the styling is broken.

Nathan Merrill

does your pillar have a circle around it when you click on it?

it feels like I should be able to control him, but I can't

trichoplax

@NathanMerrill I lost that garden due to being away from the tab for too long, but I think everything is selectable (and deletable...) even smaller parts of large objects like trees

@NathanMerrill As far as I can see all you can do is choose the lighting and delete things (like pruning a garden, I guess...)

Nathan Merrill

3:48 PM

@trichoplax which reminds me: I can't stand how chrome dumps memory

trichoplax

@NathanMerrill Is that what kills my garden? I'm using Firefox and I've tried opening it in a separate window now rather than just a tab, to see if that stops it being lost

TimmyD

@NathanMerrill -1 ... focusing three beams of light on a tree doesn't cause tree to combust

trichoplax

@TimmyD Have you tried putting them all to maximum colour temperature...?

(I haven't - I can't promise anything...)

TimmyD

Doesn't seem to make a difference.

aditsu

related: xkcd.com/1603

Nathan Merrill

3:50 PM

@trichoplax yes. If chrome detects you are low on memory, it'll dump the memory of the last-used tab

lol I got an octopus

trichoplax

The most recently used tab rather than the least recently used tab??

Nathan Merrill

least recently used

trichoplax

Ah OK. That's better. But still annoying that it doesn't save it to disk

Nathan Merrill

yeah

aditsu

hurray, I have over 100000000000000 reputation now! \o/

New Main Posts

4:04 PM

-3

Q: Minimum Permutations for a polindrome

Can someone help me with an algorithm which displays the minimum permutations of letters to become a polindrome?

c++

TimmyD

@aditsu citation-needed

aditsu

oh well, there are 10 types of people in the world...

TimmyD

citation-accepted ;-)

zyabin101

status-completed

TimmyD

@aditsu Reminds me of a joke

> There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, those who don't, and those who think this joke only makes sense in base-2.

zyabin101

4:09 PM

@TimmyD That's 11 types. As I remember correctly, the most popular interpretation doesn't have the "this joke only makes sense in base-2" part.

aditsu

it's obviously using base 3

and looks like you're in the last category :p

zyabin101

How can I find a list of chat stars by a specific user?

Nathan Merrill

user stars isn't public data

zyabin101

@NathanMerrill I mean, messages by a specific user that were starred.

Nathan Merrill

ah

TimmyD

4:23 PM

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/240/the-nineteenth-byte/…

Maybe there's a feed

Downgoat

Does anyone know how to fix left-recursion?

PhiNotPi

@GraceNote o7

(It's supposed to be a salute)

zyabin101

Welcome back @GraceNote. You are always welcome here.

Grace Note

Thanks. And yeah I can recognize a salute.

When I was in high school, my modern european history teacher was a First Lieutenant in Finland. So the goon squad (which was myself and two other students) got into the habit of saluting him whenever we passed him in the hall.

quartata

Was looking through the code of that JS newsreader and I noticed the default feed is Digg. wow this is old lmao

aditsu

4:45 PM

hrm, I got 16GB of RAM sitting on my desk, wish I could plug them into the motherboard without rebooting (and ideally without opening the case too)

Nathan Merrill

oooh, adding another CPU would be nice too

aditsu

@zyabin101 the data explorer might help? I'm not really sure if it can query chat messages

zyabin101

@aditsu I don't think so.

Sherlock9

Heya, Grace Note. What brings you by?

zyabin101

data.stackexchange.com/codegolf/query/8116/my-money-for-jam

Uhh... only three rows for me.

Nathan Merrill

5:00 PM

huh, my money for jam #2 is codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/49130/…

it was one of my favorite challenges, but I don't remember getting passive rep from it

Mitch Schwartz

imagine taking the site and leaving all the other text as it is, but removing all reputation and votes

aditsu

♫nothing to kill, or die for♫

Mitch Schwartz

it's easy if you try

trichoplax

5:16 PM

0.857 rep per day from one answer. Up until the question was closed as off topic...

Optimizer

5:32 PM

are you gonna edit that statement daily or count the rate period end with the closing date?

quartata

interesting

2

aditsu

music is good but video kinda sucks

quartata

That's not the point

Optimizer

that's not the byte

Nathan Merrill

@quartata I'm not sure if you are rick rolling

quartata

5:35 PM

It's the Unikong tune

They didn't actually make it which makes me sad

12

A: Is the Rick Astley chiptune available to download anywhere?

As I mentioned in the comments, we didn't make this particular rendition of the timeless classic. The credit (also listed in the game itself) belongs to Toast024 on Youtube. We've edited it to create a version better suited to looping indefinitely, but here's the tune itself: https://www.youtube...

New Main Posts

-7

Q: If you can find three positive integers k1,k2and k3 as below I shall disprove FLT

If any one could find three positive integers k1,k2 and k3 as attached equation, then I shall disprove FLT. Other wise if there is no such equation exist, FLT is true by 3 page proof.

pfffft

very downvote, wow

I just re-read it and I wish I hadn't recommended Mathematics SE

mm whatever

aditsu

why not? that seems to be the right place for it

the other 2 suggestions, on the other hand...

Geobits

5:45 PM

So... are we saying we don't want proof of FTL (either way)? Harsh, man. Harsh.

zyabin101

youtube.com/channel/UCsLiV4WJfkTEHH0b9PmRklw

aditsu

FTL is known to be impossible :p

Nathan Merrill

FLT != FTL

TimmyD

Fermat's Last Theorem? Fermat's Little Theorem? First Law of Thermodynamics? ... Disproving any one of those would be incredible.

zyabin101

It is an actual YouTube channel. It posts YouTube test videos every 20 minutes or so.

Morgan 'Venti' Thrappuccino

5:47 PM

Fluffy Little Things!

Geobits

@NathanMerrill I anagram things. So maybe not ==, but ~=.

Mitch Schwartz

Your question "Andrew Wiles is an idiot, hahaha" has been put on hold as off-topic

5

quartata

Basically

zyabin101

@MitchSchwartz Which question?

quartata

Well he can have fun searching that haystack

@zyabin101 The one above

zyabin101

5:49 PM

@MitchSchwartz I didn't know that this was asked.

Maltysen

@zyabin101 andrew wiles was the guy who proved fermat's last theorem

Martin Büttner

Andrew Wiles

Sir Andrew John Wiles KBE FRS (born 11 April 1953) is a British mathematician and a Royal Society Research Professor at the University of Oxford, specialising in number theory. He is most notable for proving Fermat's Last Theorem, for which he received the 2016 Abel Prize. Wiles has received numerous other honours. == Education and early life == Wiles was born in 1953 in Cambridge, England, the son of Maurice Frank Wiles (1923–2005), the Regius Professor of Divinity at the University of Oxford, and Patricia Wiles (née Mowll). His father worked as the Chaplain at Ridley Hall, Cambridge, for the...

ninja'd

quartata

The proof is not light reading to say the least

Well, maybe to some people

TimmyD

After several hundred years and thousands of failed proofs, I would be flabbergasted if it were light reading.

quartata

Well, it would be light reading if the abc conjecture is true.

aditsu

5:52 PM

it's not supposed to take much more than the page margin

8

Maltysen

hahahaha

Downgoat

> the Annals of Mathematics

I read that wrong ._.

aditsu

I was more impressed by that Perelman guy

TimmyD

> Then, seemingly as an afterthought, he noted that that meant that Fermat's last theorem was true. Q.E.D.

Wow.

"Here's a recipe for making a really delicious cake. Oh, and, no big deal, it also shows P=NP."

Sherlock9

Never mind that the reason Wiles went into mathematics in the first was FLT. It only took him proving several other theorems about elliptic curves and modular forms to come up with "Owen Bytheway, this proves Fermat's Last Theorem. Q.E.D."

TimmyD

5:59 PM

> Owen Bytheway

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I like that.

himarm jr

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aditsu

hey I know that guy

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