The Nineteenth Byte

Geobits

18:00

I agree, that sounds odd. How is the rest of the assignment worded?

undergroundmonorail

my signature is a* getFirstItem(a* list)

flawr

Oh well then you have to return the whole list element.

Geobits

@undergroundmonorail My initial instinct is return list :P

flawr

Or a pointer to the first element.

undergroundmonorail

that's what i thought but it seems so silly

flawr

18:01

That is how homework works.

undergroundmonorail

there is another function that when i get to it is going to be return list == NULL so

Geobits

Well at least they aren't making it a dumb implementation >_>

flawr

Well they perhaps just want you to think about how those effing lists work.

undergroundmonorail

i guess

Geobits

> Thank you for your response. Your input is appreciated.

I took a survey! :D

Zgarb

18:05

@Geobits It will end up on the dusty and forgotten pile called "negative user input".

Geobits

No doubt.

I have one of those too.

zyabin101

@Geobits Now ask them to check activity from IP <your IP here>.

A few minutes again and your password is finally reset!

Geobits

Nah, I just got it reset. He manually changed it, gave the pw to sign in, and then I changed it while signed in. Whatever, it works now.

Terrible process though.

Nathan Merrill

@Geobits at least you didn't have to tell him your new password

zyabin101

@Geobits After you set a new password, all of your current logins (except the PC which changed the password) will have to be done again. But after that, enjoy online gaming with PlayStation! \o/

Geobits

18:08

@NathanMerrill I would have a very offensive password if that were the case.

Nathan Merrill

lol

Geobits

@zyabin101 Yea, just the PS4 and Vita. Not a big deal now that I know the password ;)

flawr

Emma Louise - Talk Baby Talk (Official Music Video)

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zyabin101

@Downgoat call up @RikerW and the entirety of the @jQueryOS/design team.

mınxomaτ

Are any of you here blogging on Medium?

Alex A.

18:11

I only blog on Large

mınxomaτ

>.>

El'endia Starman

I have two blogs on Wordpress.

Morgan 'Venti' Thrappuccino

Medium: Because it's neither rare nor well done.

mınxomaτ

> while done

Morgan 'Venti' Thrappuccino

Much like my typing. :P

mınxomaτ

18:14

I prefer medium rare.

TimmyD

> Did you hear about the dwarf fortune teller who escaped from prison? He's a small medium at large.

7

Morgan 'Venti' Thrappuccino

Woah, apparently I've been here for a year. I really want to know how many hours of productivity I've lost during this year. :P

El'endia Starman

Somehow, I think TNB might have actually increased my productivity on the whole, because I get inspired to make things.

Dennis

Midget derives from midge (sand fly). Do we really need such a pejorative term on our starboard?

Easterly Irk

@El'endiaStarman But is it the things other people want you to do? :P

El'endia Starman

18:18

@EasterlyIrk Considering that I have no job, there is no "other people". :P

Well, except for my parents/fiancée, who want me to keep applying for jobs...

Easterly Irk

That job with the company with a sucky sucky website failed?

TimmyD

@Dennis TIL. I didn't realize - I was just retelling the joke as I heard it. Please feel free to edit as appropriate.

El'endia Starman

@EasterlyIrk They wanted skills I didn't really have, but were on my resume. I need to update that on Indeed (which is how they found me).

Easterly Irk

okai

flawr

I also want some skills I don't have.

Easterly Irk

18:20

^

Like the ability to be productive.

Nathan Merrill

@El'endiaStarman why were they on your resume?

mınxomaτ

> Today, the word “midget” is considered a derogatory slur. The dwarfism community has voiced that they prefer to be referred to as dwarfs, little people, people of short stature or having dwarfism, or simply, and most preferably, by their given name.

Nathan Merrill

was is basically "I've used this a couple of times" and they were looking for an expert?

El'endia Starman

@NathanMerrill Languages that I learned a little of, years ago.

I put them under the "Basic" category of skill.

Easterly Irk

@TimmyD s/midget/dwarf/

@El'endiaStarman Which ones?

El'endia Starman

18:21

I think PHP and C++.

Easterly Irk

> PHP

Tell them to use HTML5 instead.

No offense PHP lovers.

mınxomaτ

But PHP is so easy. You really only need a list of the built-ins.

El'endia Starman

Err, you know PHP and HTML5 are different kinds of technologies, right?

Rainbolt

TIL that the plural spelling "dwarves" was invented by J.R.R. Tolkein

Dennis

Is Tolkein the plural of Tolkien?

El'endia Starman

18:24

I remember being confused, years ago, as to why "droids" was being marked as incorrect by Microsoft Word. I gradually learned that George Lucas invented the word as a shortening of "android".

mınxomaτ

@EasterlyIrk Yeah, because you can easily replace server- with clientside languages. Sorry, but that's a really silly statement.

El'endia Starman

I use Django instead of PHP server-side, myself.

Optimizer

hey, Mootools is the best

Dennis

@El'endiaStarman Zorro is faster.

Optimizer

I think Sanji is faster than Zorro

Alex A.

18:26

I think Usain Bolt is faster than Sanji.

Optimizer

not at all

flawr

@Rainbolt How else would you spell it?

Rainbolt

@flawr "dwarfs"

epicTCK

I love typing on my slow computer, it lags enough to make the letters appear significantly after I type them, making me feel like I can type at hyper-speed

@Rainbolt as well as "elves"

@Rainbolt and elvish and dwarven/ish

Rainbolt

I don't think Tolkein invented elves

From Grammarist: "Elf differs from dwarf, which has two plurals—one for the real world (dwarfs) and one for fantasy worlds (dwarves)."

quartata

18:29

@Rainbolt Do you know a good place to ask about improving a specific MTG deck? I assume it is off topic on Board and Card Games

Rainbolt

TappedOut.net

Here's my Modern deck if you want to provide feedback tappedout.net/mtg-decks/19-01-16-time-warp

epicTCK

Ah. I used to play MTG until I lost my 150 dollar deck. Now I only have xtra cards and a cheap Jesakai Khans of Tarkir store-bought deck

I spent way too much on that game

quartata

I thought TO was more just a service for publishing decklists

Rainbolt

People can comment on your deck, but you kinda have to promote it yourself

But step one: get it published

Step two: promote

quartata

Anyways I have a ton of legacy decks I need to port to modern

Easterly Irk

18:32

hey, anybody notice unikong?

quartata

@Rainbolt ok

epicTCK

Time to release a chalenge I think...

Easterly Irk

Rainbolt

The board and card games chat is probably the best place I know to get feedback. It's a little slow in there.

Optimizer

april fools?

wow

mınxomaτ

18:33

The SSL extended validation process is a real PITA. It's 2016, why do you need a phonebook entry...

epicTCK

is john skeets featured in unikong?

Optimizer

waits for the puzzling meta post about how their design and graduation was all in preparation for today

Dennis

@mınxomaτ Really? I don't even have a landline...

zyabin101

It is still 31th of March. I think they are preparing for April Fools.

El'endia Starman

@zyabin101 It's April 1st somewhere in the world.

Rainbolt

18:35

It's been April 1 for 7.5 hours in New Zealand

Easterly Irk

@epicTCK The player is him.

mınxomaτ

@Dennis I head to got a new landline connected to the office and pay a premium to get the number in a phonebook. As if EV wasn't expensive enough. I think it's been at least 3 years since I held an actual phonebook in my hands.

epicTCK

figued that

Easterly Irk

That is fun.

EVERYBODY GO PLAY!!!!

It should be where the community ads normally are.

Dennis

@mınxomaτ One of paper? I haven't seen those in 15 years...

Rainbolt

18:36

Nobody mention the "r" word for a few days

Dennis

rowr?

zyabin101

rawr?

Easterly Irk

@Rainbolt Which one?

spell it out.

flawr

You mean ruck?

Alex A.

Richard

Dennis

18:37

@EasterlyIrk Unless you shouldn't. Then don't.

flawr

Rainbolt?

Rainbolt

It's that brand that kills bugs dead

Optimizer

RAMBO

mınxomaτ

@Dennis Well, In Germany you will get one every year, no matter what. In my office (Rotherhithe), I've only seen YellowPages once, but then never again.

Alex A.

Round-Up?

No, that's weeds

Dennis

18:37

Pro tip: Don't google rowr.

zyabin101

@EasterlyIrk call up the @jQueryOS/design team in the AvocadOS chatroom. I made some new icons.

Geobits

RAID!

Alex A.

@Dennis Good thing I'm not a pro! Brb, Googling rowr.

flawr

@Dennis Googled rowr, got this:

2

Dennis

I can't post my findings here...

Rainbolt

18:38

OMG A CAT IN A SACKBOY COSTUME <dies>

flawr

*SHARK

Easterly Irk

@Dennis I am scarred for life.

Rainbolt

That's a shark?

Easterly Irk

^

Rainbolt

Looks like sackboy to me

Optimizer

18:39

yarn

Easterly Irk

^^

@Dennis Almost as bad as dogcopter.

flawr

@Rainbolt Only if you ignore the shark-teeth.

Hosch250

How do you like the Unikong?

Easterly Irk

epic

Hosch250

I prefer the Stack Egg.

flawr

18:41

@EasterlyIrk I don't get this game. The stupid guy falls down whenever it gets to the unicorn

Hosch250

@flawr Avoid the unicorn, the trolls, and the flame bomb.

Use the gun to shoot the trolls (it doesn't work on the unicorn), and get the things marked out to pick up.

flawr

How do you use a gun?

Rainbolt

Lol I thought this looked funny so I screen capped it

Easterly Irk

space

@Hosch250 how many levels are there?

@Hosch250 Never say that. Q_Q

Optimizer

@Rainbolt the third one is hidden as its behind you ?

and its green color

Hosch250

18:43

3. It goes on to 4, 5, etc, but they just start repeating as far as I can tell.

flawr

@Hosch250 Why does the ad show the guy riding the unicorn then? Where is the logic in that?

Hosch250

Because it is S(tupid) Exchange?

Easterly Irk

rofl

Dennis

> Your current rep is 4790.

Easterly Irk

I hit 6 before getting bored.

Hosch250

18:44

They give special credits to Jon Skeet.

Optimizer

soneone ping me

Easterly Irk

@Optimizer

El'endia Starman

I just finished level 9.

Easterly Irk

@Optimizer pinging

El'endia Starman

I think it gradually gets harder.

Hosch250

18:44

I'm a pinging, I'm a pinging, @Optimizer.

zyabin101

@Optimizer The time.

PhiNotPi

@Optimizer also pinging

Optimizer

ok stop. i need 1 on there

ok last one.. as soon as i typed, all went off

Hosch250

Ping @Optimizer.

Optimizer

@Rainbolt's backside -

Rainbolt

18:48

What's a green one mean?

Or are you just going for a color wheel

Optimizer

nothing, its just completing the RGB circles on the three opposite vertices

yeah

Rainbolt

There's four opposing vertices, so we missed one

Optimizer

oh well

there are actually more

but this looks cool enough :P

Dennis

codegolf.stackexchange.com/seriously/unikong

> seriously

Rainbolt

We can do yellow. Then we'll have the print color wheel too

El'endia Starman

18:51

@Dennis That's fantastic. :D

Optimizer

go ahead

quartata

@Dennis -1 gun does not shoot close votes

Optimizer

close

(the tab)

vote

Dennis

@quartata But it gets rid of trolls.

zyabin101

Wai C#, I can't compile it ;_;

Cyoce

18:55

Who do I contact for getting something added to TIO again?

El'endia Starman

Dennis.

zyabin101

@Dennis Pull *<your lang name here>*, please.

Dennis

That pings? o_O

Cyoce

@Dennis add Cy to TIO? Syntax: ruby cy.rb -f <someFile> <args>. It also uses STDIN.gets for getting input in the middle of the program.

zyabin101

$ tioupd *<your
tioupd: Can't pull more than one language

Cyoce

18:56

@zyabin101 nice

Dennis

@zyabin101 Close enough. It's tioupd.

@Cyoce I don't Ruby, but I see a few calls to eval there. Is the argument sanitized?

Doorknob

That moment when you realize that's not an ad.

Dennis

hahaha

El'endia Starman

@Doorknob Happy April Fools! :P

Doorknob

is in a timezone where it's March 31

Dennis

18:59

Most of us are.

Cyoce

@Dennis let me see about that. I think those were just placeholders for before I defined my own way of parsing strings and numbers.

CoolestVeto

These ads, man.

El'endia Starman

I was disappointed that the play field didn't wrap from side to side.

Doorknob

I feel like I would get some strange looks if I played it at school... I'll wait until I get home. :P

Dennis

The pedant in me wants to point out that neither badges nor diamonds give you rep irl.

flawr

19:04

@Dennis Whaaat?

How cruel!

Easterly Irk

^

El'endia Starman

But you usually don't get badges without also getting rep... :P

Optimizer

Jon Skeet allowed this?

Easterly Irk

@Doorknob Just do it. :P

/s

@Optimizer totally

Optimizer

april fool on an april fool?

CoolestVeto

19:05

@Optimizer ...probably not.

Optimizer

@CoolestVeto he edited the pic

quartata

@Rainbolt tappedout.net/mtg-decks/31-03-16-ornithopter

zyabin101

Speaking of MTG, I want to make PPCG themed MTG cards. Who supports?

Quill

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 15 mins ago, by Quill

Optimizer

html/js editing

Cyoce

19:10

@Dennis here are the two uses of eval: eval('"' + s.gsub(/"/, '\"') + '"') and eval('"\\' + char + '"'). They look safe to me (any #'s are replaced with \# so you can't interpolate).

Quill

@Optimizer score = 4e6

Geobits

Oh wow. I like the new Music.SE design.

Dennis

Monospace font for tags. Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?

Easterly Irk

^^

Alex A.

@Dennis Seems appropriate for sites like Code Review, but out of place on Music. I otherwise like the design though.

TimmyD

19:14

Thanks @Dennis @mınxomaτ for the elucidation.

Dennis

@AlexA. It's inappropriate for all sites imho.

Doorknob

Uhhh... is it just me or are the badges not monospaced?

Dennis

Except maybe a site about typewriters.

flawr

@Doorknob Probably browser dependent?

Alex A.

@Doorknob Looks like monospace Inconsolata to me

Easterly Irk

19:16

^

Doorknob

font-family: 'Open Sans',Arial,sans-serif

Alex A.

o_O

Doorknob

I don't even see a monospaced font in the font stack.

Dennis

waffles eleven COUNTER-ELEVEN

Doorknob

ohhh

Alex A.

19:17

Oh, heh, I am too

Doorknob

Yeah, those are monospace for me

I agree, that makes no sense

chat.stackexchange.com/messages/28660174/history :P

Optimizer

@Dennis huh?

Doorknob

I elevened the eleven.

Dennis

Your eleven goes up to eleven.

Optimizer

still no

Alex A.

19:20

Each of the ones in the eleven is itself an eleven

Doorknob

It's elevens all the way down!

Optimizer

-_-

Easterly Irk

^

TimmyD

OMG!!!11!!!eleven!!1!

flawr

supercollider.github.io

Dennis

19:21

@Optimizer mod abuse -> mod abuse !!!11!! ->mod abuse !!!11!!eleven!! -> eleven

Easterly Irk

Just saw a chrome popup.

Did nothing to provoke this. WTF Chrome.

Doorknob

Dennis actually evolved it to "mod abuse eleven" first. Then I golfed that down to "eleven."

Dennis

'cause that's how I tro11

Alex A.

ftfy eleven

Dennis

ELEVEN

Easterly Irk

19:23

also:

rofl

Doorknob

@Dennis 11tfy

Dennis

<-- pretty tempted to paint an 11 over your avatar

Doorknob

:O

Alex A.

:D

+11 to that idea

Optimizer

@Dennis when did u do it?

Alex A.

19:28

3

Doorknob

To April Fool's or not to April Fool's...

TimmyD

Doo eeeettt

flawr

@Doorknob Better not.

Alex A.

If we weren't in the midst of a moderator election in which I'm desperately trying to maintain my position, I'd go all out April Foo's.

Doorknob

> April Foo's

flawr

19:29

@AlexA. Use your socks instead.

Alex A.

ಠ_ಠ

Optimizer

time to bring back ^

Cyoce

@Dennis edit: only one eval presence: eval('"' + s.gsub(/"/, '\"') + '"') which is safe unless there's another way to code inject besides ending the string with a " or with #{} interpolation.

Dennis

@Cyoce It's not working. halp cy.tryitonline.net/…

Cyoce

@Dennis try now.

Optimizer

19:33

oh.. there are 11 candidates to mod

Doorknob

10.

Optimizer

coincidence? I think not

there were 11 in the prelim voting phase when i saw

Doorknob

quartofpotatoes withdrew

Dennis

3 mins ago, by Dennis

@Cyoce It's not working. halp http://cy.tryitonline.net/#code=IkhlbGxvLCBXb3JsZCEiIDo8&input=&debug=on

TimmyD

1/4th of potatoes = po

Cyoce

19:35

@Dennis I pushed an updated version before sending "try now". Is it still doing the same thing?

Dennis

Yep.

Optimizer

kung fu panda 3

Rainbolt

My company just laid down the ban hammer on jquery. I'm kind of angry at my boss for the first time ever.

Optimizer

so no jquery?

El'endia Starman

waaat

Optimizer

19:36

how will you add two integers?

Rainbolt

four = $(2).add(1).add(1)

I don't know any other way

Optimizer

but ..

how did u figure that 2 = 1 + 1

?

Cyoce

@Dennis how are you invoking the program? It looks like you're not using -f (specify a file)

Dennis

>_>

cy.tryitonline.net/#code=IkhlbGxvLCBXb3JsZCEiIDo8&input= \o/

flawr

Another question: How many socks per person are allowed in an election?

Cyoce

19:39

@Dennis Yay! ¯\(ツ)/¯

Dennis

@flawr 0 if you mean for voting.

flawr

No, I mean for nominating

But I guess the answer is the same^^

Optimizer

11

flawr

@Optimizer That is zero in base 0

Optimizer

and in -1 base too

Alex A.

19:40

@flawr Technically, as many as you want as long as they have the rep and you don't mind getting a suspension for voting fraud. :P

eleven

@Optimizer Yes?

Optimizer

sock alert!!!11

Martin Büttner

@flawr depends on the definition of 0^0. CJam would give you 1 when treating that as base 0.

Zach Gates

@AlexA.: I've withdrawn. No coming back from -9

Martin Büttner

oh SuperJedi also withdrew

Alex A.

19:43

@ZachGates Ah, okay. Sorry to hear that. You're a valued member of the community regardless of whether you're a moderator though. :)

Helka Homba

14 hours ago, by Helka Homba

Anyone know a famous tune that can be played in exactly 27 or 28 beats? Like the first two lines of Ode To Joy, but that's 32 beats.

Alex A.

@HelkaHomba Face of my Innocence by Arsis

Helka Homba

^^ Still looking for that, but now 27 or 26

flawr

@MartinBüttner But mathematically I do no think that 0^0 is well defined, right?

Martin Büttner

no it's not

Helka Homba

19:45

@AlexA. Goway

Alex A.

:(

Martin Büttner

@flawr but since you gave it a value, you must have chosen some definition, but any other definition is just as good ;)

flawr

I never thought so far.

Zach Gates

@AlexA. I appreciate it

flawr

Well we could save it by noticing that 11 == 0 in base -1

Martin Büttner

19:46

26 Is Dancier Than 4- This Town Needs Guns

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@flawr which Optimizer already did ;)

eleven

@flawr TIL

Helka Homba

@MartinBüttner 5000 views != famous

flawr

Optininja

Martin Büttner

@HelkaHomba pfff

I don't know a lot of famous tunes that are mathy enough for the beats to sum to 26 or 27 :/

Alex A.

@MartinBüttner I love this song

My favorite TTNG song

Well, that or If I Sit Still Maybe I'll Get Out of Here

flawr

19:49

Math Rock ಠ_ಠ

Martin Büttner

you might find something that switches between 6/8 and 7/8 with three bars of the latter, but then more likely than not those bars won't cover a coherent part of the melody (like the 7/8 bars belonging to the chorus and the 6/8 to the verse or something)

@flawr math rock is best rock

Alex A.

^

Truer words hath never been spoken

Martin Büttner

@AlexA. is that the really catchy sing-along one?

flawr

I like rock rock, like real rock made of stone.

Alex A.

@MartinBüttner Um..........maybe?

They have a lot of songs like that :P

It's on the self-titled album but was included as a bonus track on Animals

Helka Homba

19:52

Less than 27 or 26 is ok, just more notes, evenly spaced, is better

Martin Büttner

@AlexA. ah yes, it's the one I was thinking of

I don't know I find it a lot more catchy than any other of their songs

Alex A.

That's fair

I have both TTNG guitar tab books. Unsurprisingly, most of their songs are crazy hard.

TimmyD

PS C:\Tools\Scripts> [math]::pow(0,0)
1

Alex A.

POW!

Optimizer

WOW

flawr

19:54

PEW PEW!

TimmyD

PS C:\Tools\Scripts> [math]::pewpew(0,0)
Method invocation failed because [System.Math] does not contain a method named 'pewpew'.
At line:1 char:1
+ [math]::pewpew(0,0)
+ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    + CategoryInfo          : InvalidOperation: (:) [], RuntimeException
    + FullyQualifiedErrorId : MethodNotFound

Alex A.

hahaha

Clearly you need pewpew version twotwo

El'endia Starman

>>> pow(0,0)
1
>>> 0**0
1
>>> import math
>>> math.pow(0,0)
1.0

Optimizer

0:*:0

^ 2 zeroes kissing

math is lovely and romantic

ven

aw, no min/max in pyth :(

Alex A.

19:59

AHHHH YOU COME FROM SAD WHALE FAMILY DEEP IN OCEAN YOU ARE EVIL

AHHHH NO WINDOWS IN YOUR HOUSE

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