The Nineteenth Byte

Maltysen

00:00

@AlexA. o noes my server became a negerian prince scam

SuperJedi224

Maybe it's not Nigeria's prince

Maybe it's Nigeria's Minister of Finance

Easterly Irk

Maybe.... IT'S @ALEXA.'S SOCK!!!!

Sp3000

@xnor I was wondering if you'd seen my challenge in the sandbox - was hoping to get someone with a mathematical background to look over it before I post :)

Easterly Irk

@Quill oops

@Sp3000 that. is. epic.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@CoolestVeto o_O "Flasp"?

Easterly Irk

00:05

^

link me pls

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I got arrays in FOG!!!!

Working on the dropsort challenge.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@EasterlyIrk Oh, yeah, cool!

So many new languages

xnor

@Sp3000 interesting, i haven't worked with this base

it's not clear to me at first why it's surjective -- how would you represent 2?

Easterly Irk

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ PPCG mc server?

xnor

oh, that's your example :-)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Sure!

Easterly Irk

00:08

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ you can live in my house as in my cave part, you don't need a new hut.

Sp3000

:) It's not obvious to me why it's surjective either, and I haven't had time to try proving it yet, but I've checked a couple of sources which say the same

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@EasterlyIrk D: but the sticky pistons!

Easterly Irk

You can move them. :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

mehhhh

Easterly Irk

but i need roomate

:(

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

00:10

okai fine

Easterly Irk

:D

As reward you can has emerald.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

\o/

Easterly Irk

moar if you give string or raw pork/chicken

quartata

@Doorknob docs for x11 window manager hints and stuff like that

Maltysen

@EasterlyIrk are you a villager?

Easterly Irk

00:11

yes

totally

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

just play the game m8

Easterly Irk

i has pet vilalgers

Maltysen

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ i only have mineshafter account

and no moneys for real one

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Maltysen uh wat?

quartata

I saw your "village." It's literally a child labor camp

Easterly Irk

00:12

mine?

not mien

quartata

baby villagers working in the soil 24/7

Easterly Irk

not me

That is 1's I think

quartata

The one by the mesa is yours right

Easterly Irk

i have no babby vilalger

and no

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

RIKER PLAY THE GAME

Easterly Irk

00:14

i am on

:P

xnor

@Sp3000 I like how the input and output are both in the base. It gives the option of converting, summing, and converting back, or of finding a way to do the addition solely in the base.

Sp3000

Yeah, I've found at least one way to do it without converting, hence why I thought this would be more interesting :)

(whether it's golfier is a separate question though)

xnor

you say there are no extraneous leading zeroes, but 0 is an example input

i'd argue that that has a leading 0 for the empty string, convention aside

perhaps allow empty string for 0, both as the input and output form?

Sp3000

Sounds good

xnor

can the output take any of the formats allowed as input?

Sp3000

00:19

That was the intention, yes (string or decimal integer with digits 01)

The only part I'm hung up about is allowing the binary version, since I'm not sure whether bitwise will help here

(binary as in base 2, e.g. 12 for 1100)

xnor

i can totally imagine it helping just because /2 is shorter than /10.

Sp3000

Hm... the only reason it's not allowed atm was I thought it'd make the input format a bit uglier, but I'm not sure whether that's a good reason

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

One space, Two space, 😡, 😨 code-golf There are endless arguments for using one or two spaces after a period. You don't really care, but decided to make a tool to make switching easy. Given a String and an Integer, reformat the string to have exactly that number of spaces after each period. ...

Sp3000

00:37

Hmm I guess it wouldn't be too bad, and I am curious if bitwise will help

flawr

bitunwise

El'endia Starman

bitfoolish

Bit wise, byte foolish.

Sp3000

@xnor Updated to allow /2 :)

Quill

Is there an STV challenge yet?

Sp3000

Star Trek: Voyager?

Alex A.

00:46

hahaha

Btw @Sp3000, I really like your challenge.

xnor

@Sp3000 small nitpick: for the choice of 0 vs empty string, you're allowed leading zeroes in output, so you could take input as empty string and output as 0?

Maltysen

@Sp3000 Vger

Sp3000

Oof, good point. I'll go remove that part about them having to be the same

SuperJedi224

Also:

planetminecraft.com/project/…

El'endia Starman

@Quill Probably not, and I like the topicality of that.

Maybe save it for election day though. :P

xnor

00:50

@Sp3000 Your challenge looks good to me. I'm interested to see what people come up with.

Sp3000

:) same

@AlexA. Thanks - I like it too, hence why I don't want to mess this one up with input/output bureaucracy! :D

Alex A.

Haha fair point

Also, it appears your services are needed for Lembik's challenge

@Lembik I think Sp3000 and Doorknob are our resident Nim and Rust experts, respectively. Hopefully they join the fun too. ;) — Alex A. ♦ 5 hours ago

Sp3000

I saw that, and I'd like to question the title of "resident Nim expert"

xnor

oh man Nim?

where?

Sp3000

More like "I've used Nim about 3 times, so that's more than most people on this site I guess?"

Alex A.

00:52

Exactly :D

Nathan Merrill

isn't Nim a game?

xnor

oh it's a programming language

i'm disappointed, i thought it was the game

Sp3000

Actually, I haven't answered that question because Dennis' answer there irks me a little

Alex A.

@xnor Here!

Well, if you post it, that is

Sp3000

Ahaha, I think we've had Nim game challenges too

Alex A.

00:53

@Sp3000 In what way?

Sp3000

It just means there's an ongoing discussion as to what's actually valid as an answer

xnor

that solution is totally not O(n log n)

Maltysen

^

Alex A.

this

xnor

the asymptotics needs to be worst-case, and the range of numbers in the input is unbounded in the parameter n

Quill

00:55

@El'endiaStarman Do it before that

Sp3000

It's kind of a problem of "incomparable time complexities" :/

Quill

So you guys can use the dataset SE provides once the election results are out

Maltysen

@AlexA. o_O

what is that?

Alex A.

Idk. My girlfriend sends me weird stuff.

El'endia Starman

@AlexA. I don't think I've seen any of these characters in Harry Potter. o.O

Geobits

00:55

Apparently she sends us weird stuff.

Alex A.

I'm just passing it along, paying my dues to the internet

Geobits

Oh crap, is it dues time again?

El'endia Starman

[reposts top picture on front page of Imgur]

Alex A.

Yeah man. The IRS (Internet Revenue Site) is coming.

Nathan Merrill

out of curiosity: How do you guys feels about the signal to noise ratio here? Do you like the amount of off-topic chat here, or do you wish there was less/more of it?

Geobits

00:57

El'endia Starman

@NathanMerrill Personally, I think it's fine.

Alex A.

@NathanMerrill I certainly don't wish there was more off topic content. I think sometimes it could be a little lower (because at times I do think it gets to be a bit much) but for the most part I'm not bothered by it.

Sp3000

Personally I think it'd be good if there was more on-topic chat, but I'd rather off-topic chat than no activity

Geobits

@NathanMerrill I don't see any problem with off-topic chat, given that it mostly happens when there isn't an abundance of on-topic chat.

Alex A.

^

Maltysen

00:58

@AlexA. Ted Cruz promises to ABOLISH THE IRS

Geobits

Sure, but he probably wants to replace it with some church-related agency.

Maltysen

his voice is so annoying

Geobits

It's no worse than the constant smug look.

Quill

I'd love to see a political candidate that's not from the generation that tolerated homophobia

Geobits

Who'd be run out of town as "too young" :/

Quill

01:00

they're so old, they're trying to do things "the old fashioned way"

Geobits

At least for the presidency. There are some of the newer generation coming up in local/smaller offices.

SuperJedi224

@Maltysen Well, that is something that needs to be done

Nathan Merrill

I've just been thinking about it since Peter Taylor's last chat

Maltysen

@SuperJedi224 idk bout that, but the way he says it is so funny

he's trying to have a booming voice but failing hard

Nathan Merrill

Its fairly sad that we've lost a chat regular in here

El'endia Starman

01:02

@Quill I've seen it said that it's good that the governmental bureaucracy is slow, and I think part of the reason is so that we don't overreact to every minor issue.

SuperJedi224

Also the ForceLang update I was working on has now been published

Nathan Merrill

especially since he brought amazing maths to this place

El'endia Starman

Can you imagine if the nation was run by college students?

Geobits

@El'endiaStarman When you're waiting on something from the government, that sounds worse and worse each day.

El'endia Starman

@Geobits There is such a thing as being too slow.

SuperJedi224

01:03

"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies." --Groucho Marx

Geobits

Politics now is more the art of media management.

Nathan Merrill

Startling Facts About the Government that Made Me Feel Good

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Sp3000

@NathanMerrill If it's any indication, I'd like to also say that I used to check the transcript quite frequently to see what I've missed, but no longer bother

Having said that, that might not necessarily be a bad sign - it could just be that we have a lot more users now

SuperJedi224

@HelkaHomba Hi

Nathan Merrill

I've considered perhaps having a "challenge-related" chat

but not sure it would get the users needed

Alex A.

01:05

There is a dedicated room for asking about golfing but it keeps getting frozen for inactivity.

Geobits

@NathanMerrill No doubt the government does a lot of good. It's also bloated and wasteful as all hell, though. They're not mutually exclusive.

Nathan Merrill

having an "off topic chat" certainly wouldn't work, as trying to force users there would be too hostile

Sp3000

Yeah that's the problem - if the chat was purely on-topic, there wouldn't be enough activity for people to check it all the time

Nathan Merrill

@Geobits yeah, I've found that most of the waste comes from contractors to the government

Geobits

There's a ton of it in the defense dept also, not related to contractors (well, them too, but). I was part of it for a decade ;)

But contracting is a big problem for sure.

There's a reason companies love to get govt contracts, and it isn't civic duty.

Nathan Merrill

01:08

not sure if you watched the video, but he actually goes over the budget, and talks how the actual "core" government is pretty lean

El'endia Starman

@Geobits I think you're probably not far off, and I also think that this is going to change before long. At least, so long as the internet doesn't get restricted by rich people/corporations.

Nathan Merrill

but yeah, I totally agree

SuperJedi224

@NathanMerrill In 1920, the federal government's total anual budget amounted to a grand total of about $1.02B. Even accounting for inflation, there is no excuse for the amount they are spending today.

Alex A.

Granted, the country was pretty different a hundred years ago.

Nathan Merrill

@SuperJedi224 look at the actual budget (not the total dollar amount, but where they are putting the money)

Alex A.

01:11

@NathanMerrill Something that I've been trying to do is encourage discussions with a large amount of activity to create and use their own room. A recent examples include the JavaScript operating system and the Town of Salem discussion.

Nathan Merrill

@AlexA. not criticism, but perhaps we would benefit if those conversations were in here?

Quill

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Q: How much idle chatter do we tolerate in The 2nd Monitor?

Related but not a duplicate: How far off-topic can we get in 'the 2nd monitor'? Today was a complicated day in the history of The 2nd Monitor. On one side there appears to be consensus something went wrong which should be handled. On the other side there appears to be disagreement about how muc...

We did that on CR

we move all off-topic and interrupting conversation to a secondary room

which is usually dead

Maltysen

@NathanMerrill i second that motion

I like the low signal to noise ratio because it keeps things interesting and it exposes you to everything

Alex A.

@NathanMerrill I thought the OS discussion was interesting (and at times instructive) apart from it mostly being pictures of avocados that said "jQuery" at the time it was relocated.

Talk of Salem would definitely better suited for its own room though, just as there's a room for the PPCG Minecraft server.

Nathan Merrill

ah, so you were moving offtopic discussions

Maltysen

01:16

I propose separate chat rooms if you're doing something on-topic and you don't want to be disturbed

Nathan Merrill

I misunderstood

El'endia Starman

In the C.SE main chat room, we used to have long discussions that were all apologetics and/or polemics. We created a side room for those eventually and I think the main chat is better for it.

Geobits

@SuperJedi224 That argument falls flat to me. It only works if you adhere to the policy that government should stay out of everything but the bare essentials. I don't agree with that, and my life has benefited from much government spending. I like interstates, for example.

Downgoat

does anyone know how to do cube root in bc? n^(1/3) is not working, where n is my number...

quartata

n**(1/3) IIRC

Nathan Merrill

01:22

what is bc?

Maltysen

@NathanMerrill *nix util

Downgoat

@quartata bc doesn't use ** it uses ^

quartata

Arbitrary precision calculator. Useful in bash scripts

SuperJedi224

cons js require njs
set canvas graphics.canvas js ({width:90,height:90,bg:0xAABBDD})
canvas.turnPen 45
canvas.setPenDown FALSE
canvas.setPenSize 14
canvas.move 40
canvas.setPenColor 0x880022
canvas.setPenDown TRUE
canvas.turnPen -16
canvas.move 20
canvas.turnPen 150
canvas.move 15
canvas.show()

quartata

@Downgoat Really? could have sworn...

Doorknob

01:24

   expr ^ expr
          The result of the expression is the value of the first raised to
          the second.  The second expression must be an integer.  (If  the

quartata

Must be an integer eh

Downgoat

D:

then how do I do cbrt

Maltysen

@Downgoat there's a hack

Downgoat

pls tell

Maltysen

load bc with -l

Doorknob

01:25

@Downgoat An effortless Google search for bc cube root returns nothing but helpful results

Downgoat

@Maltysen I did

Maltysen

then do e(l(n)/3)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

allo

Easterly Irk

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ discordapp.com/channels/133419285409169408/133419285409169408

Downgoat

@Maltysen what do l and e do?

Maltysen

01:26

@Downgoat ln and e^x

quartata

Looks like cbrt(...) is a thing

Downgoat

cbrt(8)
Runtime error (func=(main), adr=5): Function cbrt not defined.

^[[A^[[Dbc(666,0x7fff7b056000) malloc: *** mach_vm_map(size=18446744071562067968) failed (error code=3)
*** error: can't allocate region
*** set a breakpoint in malloc_error_break to debug
Fatal error: Out of memory for malloc.

uhhhhhh

Maltysen

yeah, none of the one's on google work for me

the ln and exp does

in general, you can do pow(a, b) with e(l(a)*b)

Nathan Merrill

follow up question: Do you feel like mods should be taking more action to move off topic chatter?

El'endia Starman

What annoys me is not off-topic chatter, but pointless chatter.

Doorknob

01:31

Sometimes I wish I could nuke entire conversations

@El'endiaStarman +1

Nathan Merrill

(note, this is not a meta post, but if people feel like it is, then I will make one)

Downgoat

@Doorknob you can?

can't mods do move to trash?

Nathan Merrill

@El'endiaStarman that seems very opinion based

what's the difference?

Doorknob

@Downgoat well, yes, in the same way that I can delete the entire chatroom, or suspend everyone in it

El'endia Starman

@Downgoat We can delete entire strings of messages, and all you'll get is one "these messages were deleted" message.

Downgoat

01:32

@Doorknob ಠ_ಠ

xnor

@Sp3000 i thought i had a nice recursive solution for base i-1, but it gets stuck when the nums add to 0 :-(

Alex A.

@NathanMerrill I assume he means off topic as in unrelated to the site, versus pointless as in just crap.

El'endia Starman

^ basically

A page full of carrots or text faces is pointless.

Downgoat

~~pointless crap is like carrot stuff right?~~ ninja'd :/

Sp3000

@xnor :( yeah, apparently I read that infinite leading zeroes could happen, which is a bit annoying

Nathan Merrill

01:33

but you don't mind the goverment/election chatter?

(which is off topic, but not pointless)?

El'endia Starman

No. That has some value.

So long as it doesn't go on too long.

xnor

@Sp3000 i wish i understood what the negation of a number looks like

Doorknob

@El'endiaStarman And so long as it doesn't interrupt site-related discussion, which should supersede all else

El'endia Starman

If it starts going longer than, say, three pages or so, then it might be worth moving it.

@Doorknob Absolutely.

On-topic discussion should always takes precedence over off-topic discussion.

Nathan Merrill

I've actually never been bothered with multiple conversations happening at once

Sp3000

01:34

@xnor The interesting part is... it's not obvious at all from just glancing, is it :/

Nathan Merrill

(at least on this chat. Their replying features are pretty great)

xnor

@El'endiaStarman how does that work in practice though?

i've found that off-topic conversations tend to be high-volume and win out

Nathan Merrill

I mean, we literally have 2 conversations going on right now (one on Sp3000's upcoming challenge, and this one)

El'endia Starman

@xnor There, fixed it. :P

Downgoat

isn't that why there's like a room for discussing code golf?

Nathan Merrill

01:35

@xnor but that's very true

xnor

@NathanMerrill i've found that works when i'm talking with a specific person or people who are notified by pings

El'endia Starman

I think it's fine when there are two, maybe three unrelated conversations happening at once. Any more than that and it gets confusing and hard to follow.

xnor

the harder case is when i want to discuss some golfing or so with nobody in particular

El'endia Starman

The use of the reply feature is very helpful in such cases.

Nathan Merrill

@El'endiaStarman I don't think that's actually too common.

El'endia Starman

01:37

Yeah, it's not very common.

Nathan Merrill

I think xnor hit it: its that off topic conversations are high volume

(aka, people don't have to think about what they are saying)

xnor

sometimes i ask a question about golfing advice for some language, and it scrolls by so fast that i feel few people see it

El'endia Starman

@NathanMerrill If that's your definition of off-topic, you're probably thinking of something closer to what I think of as "pointless".

Helka Homba

Do you (personally) pronounce Mu moo or mew?

Downgoat

so does all this mean there should be a separate room for general chatter?

@HelkaHomba Moo

Helka Homba

01:38

@Downgoat You're a goat not a cow

El'endia Starman

@xnor I've had that happen with questions I ask that are "secretly" about Pytek, and I usually just wait for the chatter to die down.

Nathan Merrill

@El'endiaStarman I wasn't being pedantic, but I'd argue that both conversations are usually thought-less

Downgoat

@HelkaHomba .__________________________________.

Doorknob

@HelkaHomba /muː/

Maltysen

@HelkaHomba mew

SuperJedi224

01:39

So... has anyone else written any custom ForceLang modules yet?

Helka Homba

@Doorknob Assume for a minute I don't have English IPA memorized

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Downgoat

IPA?

India pale ale?

Helka Homba

International Phonetic Alphabet

El'endia Starman

@El'endiaStarman On the other hand, often times such a question doesn't get responses because people don't really have anything to contribute. It's not rare that I ask a question during a busy time, and then again during a quiet time and see little difference.

Nathan Merrill

Mew, as in the pokemon

El'endia Starman

01:40

@HelkaHomba Well, if you say so... :P

Nathan Merrill

@El'endiaStarman woah, impressive self reply

Downgoat

@HelkaHomba oh, I thought that was just an incomplete sed replacement

Nathan Merrill

that takes work

El'endia Starman

@NathanMerrill Not really. All replies start with :<chat message id number>.

Downgoat

@Downgoat ^

Nathan Merrill

01:41

right, but you can't just click on the reply button

you have to actually get the id number

El'endia Starman

@NathanMerrill Permalink gives it to you.

Downgoat

^

El'endia Starman

Or hover over the arrow on the left. Less effective when messages are going pretty quickly. :P

Nathan Merrill

right, which is why its impressive

Sp3000

@xnor Sometimes I wish there was a filter option so I can go "has xnor said anything in the past day" :P

Helka Homba

01:41

Pinging yourself in the future is impressive

Nathan Merrill

@HelkaHomba depends on how far into the future

Downgoat

:284494337 foo

bar

D:

Helka Homba

It'd be easier if message ids were per-rooom

Quill

@NathanMerrill This chat keeps reminding me that nerds are cool :D

Doorknob

@HelkaHomba /ənd ʍaɪ.ɛvɹ̩ wʊd̚ ðæt biː ðə kʰeɪs/?

Nathan Merrill

01:42

@Quill spoiler alert: they aren't

Downgoat

@Doorknob oh my gosh. all the unicode...

Doorknob

I really need to set up my keyboard so I can type IPA without copy/pasting everything :D

Geobits

> IPA

did it

Quill

@NathanMerrill depends who you ask ;)

Downgoat

@Doorknob you could always just use english words...

Doorknob

01:43

@Geobits I bet you copy/pasted that

Quill

AutoHotKey

Downgoat

@Geobits nice

Nathan Merrill

@Doorknob future ping

Doorknob

@Downgoat /ənd soʊ aɪ æm/

Helka Homba

@Doorknob Typing in IPA is like speaking letter by letter >_>

El'endia Starman

01:44

@NathanMerrill Minor difficulty: you can't guarantee that message is in this chat room.

Nathan Merrill

I aim to

Doorknob

We just need to send super lotsa messages really fast

Downgoat

@Doorknob ... bleeeeeeeeet bleeet bleeeeeet bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!

Geobits

@HelkaHomba You gotta remember, he also likes lojban. If we can get him to change to IPA, I'd say that's a step in the right direction.

Doorknob

Hmmm... if I indent with a mixture of tabs and spaces, will that convince Geobits that spaces really aren't so bad?

Geobits

01:45

Eww no

That's worse than either.

Nathan Merrill

past response

Doorknob

@Geobits Exactly. So... step in the right direction!

FryAmTheEggman

s/indent/tabulate/

Nathan Merrill

bah, off by a second :(

Doorknob

@NathanMerrill Interesting. I refreshed the page, and your ping didn't show up. Only after you edited did the ping ping

Maltysen

01:46

@NathanMerrill quick edit your first one

El'endia Starman

@NathanMerrill At least it was on the page. :P

@Doorknob I edited it.

Nathan Merrill

I didn't edit my ping

Doorknob

oh

Nathan Merrill

ah

El'endia Starman

Messages never change automatically.

Quill

01:46

their content caches permanently

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Of course they do!

Quill

which is why you can permalink old oneboxes

Doorknob

Nitpick: A message with a oneboxed image can change if the image changes on the site the image is hosted on

Quill

oh, really? huh, TIL

Downgoat

@Doorknob brb, making all my chat messages images

Geobits

01:48

No idea how that's going to work.

Maltysen

@Downgoat make them wikipedia articles instead

and then edit the articles

Downgoat

@Maltysen oh yeah, duh, of course!

SuperJedi224

Goodnight

El'endia Starman

That could be an interesting form of security.

Quill

@Maltysen [Citation Needed]

El'endia Starman

01:49

You see this image? Memorized it? Good, cuz now it's different.

Quill

Good Talk:

Joel Spolsky - hack.summit() 2016 by Pluralsight

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epicTCK

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:28449573

Downgoat

Do data RUISwork as inages?

Geobits

@Quill Clicked for dog image (and caption). Landed on an hour long talk. Closed tab :(

Nathan Merrill

ok, back to the previous conversation: You guys are generally ok with off topic chatter, but not pointless stuff. Is there really anything we could do about the pointless stuff?

Downgoat

01:51

^^

Nathan Merrill

I mean, its frequent, but its not ongoing, so its hard to migrate to a different room

Downgoat

13 mins ago, by Downgoat

so does all this mean there should be a separate room for general chatter?

Geobits

@NathanMerrill There are a lot of things you can do if you're willing to drive away more people than not doing something would.

Nathan Merrill

@Downgoat but nobody wants to participate in a room full of goat images and meme faces

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Quill

Move carets, ಠ_ಠ faces and pointless messages to the trash

Downgoat

01:52

@NathanMerrill ಠ_ಠ

Nathan Merrill

(assuming we're still allowing off topic stuff here)

Downgoat

@Quill you can golf that message to: "delete the 19th byte" :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Quill ಠ_ಠ

Downgoat

^

Helka Homba

How about Xi? zigh, sigh

Doorknob

01:53

@Quill I support this

Downgoat

@HelkaHomba I'd pronounce it: "ks ee"

Maltysen

@HelkaHomba zigh

Geobits

The reason I like this room is because there's usually a fair mix of on/off topic, and I can get it all here in one tab. I hate having multiple chats open.

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Sp3000

Depends on context, but as the Greek letter then "sigh"

Nathan Merrill

@HelkaHomba I've always pronounced it Chi

Maltysen

01:55

^^^

Downgoat

strawpoll.me/7158819

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^^, ^^^^^

Doorknob

@Downgoat yes please

Nathan Merrill

@Geobits we're differentiating between pointless and off topic here. Do you like the pointless chatter as well?

Downgoat

Whoever voted ಠ_ಠ, is that a yes or a no?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

01:56

What defines pointless? How would we know what is and isn't pointless?

Geobits

@NathanMerrill Sometimes. I don't have a problem with it until it gets to be 20-30 pointless ones in a row. It's not very hard to skim past it.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Downgoat That would be a no.

Maltysen

^^

Downgoat

pointless is something like:

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Geobits

Also, as Conor said, "pointless" is clearly subjective.

Nathan Merrill

01:57

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ a message that is not part of a conversation

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Geobits

The only real problem I have with pointless chatter is that it messes up Marky's brain >_>

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@NathanMerrill Then what on earth would define the beginning of the conversation?

Maltysen

as Geobits said, I enjoy them, but start getting annoyed when they fill up three entire pages

epicTCK

@NathanMerrill so how do I change conversations? sometimes i want to introduce a new topic

Geobits

Hey guys, who here likes the appropriate variety of peanut butter?

El'endia Starman

01:58

@epicTCK Just bring it up.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Geobits That's a pointless message and should be deleted. :P

El'endia Starman

Don't vomit, though.

Nathan Merrill

fair point, my definition isn't complete

Alex A.

Wow, I walk away to cut a mango and I come back and I have to click to load to my last message. Such activity.

Geobits

@El'endiaStarman And if nobody responds within X minutes, then it isn't a "part of a conversation" and should be deleted? It's too subjective to be rationally defined.

Doorknob

01:59

@AlexA. Mangoes are the best

Geobits

@AlexA. Next time don't cut the mango. Eat it like it's intended, in big toothy bites.

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