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02:07

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Dyadic Transpose code-golf array-manipulation APL's ⍉ symbol, when called monadically, causes the dimensions of an array to be reversed: the outermost dimension becomes the innermost dimension. However, its dyadic function is more interesting: the dimensions of an array are permuted according t...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

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A: "Hello, World!"

Flummery v3, 166 bytes Flummery is a BF derivative, but not in the usual sense. It's a meta BF, if you will. There is a pointer, and there is a tape. [ < > + - ] ^ The > command moves the pointer right one, < moves the pointer left one, . is ., , is ,, and any other character is a no-op. Af...

bai

Dennis

02:30

Why does having Atom open make my code run faster?

El'endia Starman

....that's so weird.

Alex A.

@Dennis Gremlins.

tac

@Dennis Because Electron is 2fast4u

Dennis

It's perfectly reproducible. Closing Atom before I run my program slows it down by 33%.

tac

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ ಠ_ಠ

Alex A.

02:33

Your code wants to compete with Atom for resources so it makes itself faster to outperform Atom.

There's no incentive for it to perform well if it doesn't have to compete for resources.

tac

your code is jealous of atom; it's trying to impress you and win your heart <33

Aqua Tart

@Dennis Maybe it's trying to use swap and that is somehow faster

Dennis

I don't have swap.

tac

@Dennis ಠ_ಠ

Aqua Tart

Spooky

Easterly Irk

02:35

what is swap

Dennis

Virtual memory.

tac

@EasterlyIrk like pagefiles

Aqua Tart

@EasterlyIrk pages to disk instead of memory

Easterly Irk

oh

Dennis

@tac Why ಠ_ಠ? Why would I need swap?

tac

02:36

*nix calls pagefiles swap; in Windows it's PAGEFILE.SYS in C:\

ಠ _ ಠ
you need swap 4 life

Aqua Tart

Swap isn't that important on desktops if you don't do memory intensive things

Mama Fun Roll

@Dennis Huh that's weird. I have something like that: when committing to a Github repo with Github Pages, the updates take effect more quickly on FF than Chrome.

It happens every time.

tac

or if you have 32gb of ram, in which case you're just too awesome

Aqua Tart

Just another gig you could use for something important

tac

@MamaFunRoll blame caching

Mama Fun Roll

02:37

@tac Oh right. Forgot about that.

:P

Dennis

The worst thing about swap is if you have a misbehaving application that is eating all your memory. Instead of simply getting killed by the OOM, the kernel starts paging to disk, slowing everything down to a crawl.

Aqua Tart

^

Alex A.

Ain't Misbehavin'

tac

unless you have an SSD that's faster than your RAM

Dennis

That's not possible.

Alex A.

02:40

^

Oh hey, it's @MickyT! Haven't seen you around in a while. :)

Aqua Tart

SSDs are overrated.

Dennis

Even SSDs that use actual RAM are still a lot slower, since the interface cannot keep up with the "direct line" between CPU and RAM.

tac

My SSD's cache likes to pretend it's faster than my RAM, because asking memory hogs to page always causes speedup

MickyT

Just lurking lately. Not enough head space to do much else

A Nerd - I

How do stack-based languages deal with doubles? Can the value of a stack be a non-integer?

tac

02:42

@ANerd-I yes? You mean like forth, specifically?

Forth has special Floating Point words because it's... old

Zach Gates

Wooh tornado sirens

Dennis

@AquaTart I wouldn't go that far. All my computers have them, and they really do make a difference.

A Nerd - I

Is it possible to get decimals from, say, Brainfuck?

tac

But other more modern ones like Factor and Blacklight have them natively, and floats are just Bignums as opposed to Fixnums

Alex A.

@MickyT I know the feeling.

tac

02:44

@ANerd-I BF isn't "stack-based" per se. But you could write a program to simulate the bits of a double.

Dennis

@ANerd-I That depends on the implementation. The "stack" is usually a heterogeneous list of some sort. Most of PPCG's common stack-based languages have Doubles.

A Nerd - I

Ok, thanks

I guess doubles in Arcturus will have to be un-representable on the robot grid. Sadness

Dennis

Arcturus?

tac

@ANerd-I innovate!

A Nerd - I

The golfing language I'm inevitably going to give up developing soon

Alex A.

02:45

Arcturus (band)

Arcturus is an avant-garde metal band formed in Norway in 1991. They named it Arcturus (meaning Bear Guardian), after the Behenian fixed star Arcturus. == Biography == The band has released five official full-length albums. Arcturus has experimented throughout their career, extracting influences and incorporating elements from all over the musical spectrum including black metal and classical music, but the band was rooted as a metal outfit. === Early days === The original line-up was changed when bassist/vocalist Marius Vold (ex-Thorns) was taken out of the band. The band soon became la...

A Nerd - I

Also the name of a star in the constellation Boötes

Aqua Tart

You're writing Arcturus in Brainfuck?

Alex A.

@tac ?

Dennis

theoatmeal.com/comics/problems

A Nerd - I

No, I'm trying to make decimal numbers visualize-able with high precision and little effort

tac

02:47

@ANerd-I is it a graphical representation ?

A Nerd - I

Yes

Alex A.

@Dennis haha amazing

A Nerd - I

As a metaphor for what the development of this language will be, I just spent 10 minutes debugging a 50 line program that had the following problem: else() {

Dennis

@AlexA. Also an oddly accurate description of most couples I know.

Alex A.

Most? :/

That's too bad

Dennis

02:49

Hey, dysfunctional people have dysfunctional friends.

Alex A.

You're not dysfunctional. You're golfunctional.

4

tac

that comic is too accurate :c

@AlexA. now i'm imagining you comforting all the odd little golfing languages with that

Alex A.

haha

tac

"there, there, cjam, you're just golfunctional"

Alex A.

Related: strawpoll.me/7077499

Dennis

02:52

Vote seems oddly inappropriate for that.

Alex A.

haha

Dennis

I suddenly feel alone.

Alex A.

:(

Aqua Tart

dafuq strawpoll isn't loading for me

Alex A.

Dennis

02:55

Fun fact: If you say the g-word out loud in South America, you might spook people.

Alex A.

Grandpa?

Maltysen

glitter?

Dennis

G-g-g-ghost.

Mama Fun Roll

@Dennis Gallifrey?

Aqua Tart

Ghost

luser droog

02:55

gargantua

Mama Fun Roll

Gallipoli

Alex A.

@Dennis OH GOD YOU SPOOKED ME

Mama Fun Roll

Gandalf

A Nerd - I

godammit

Mama Fun Roll

GOLD

Maltysen

02:56

golf

Mama Fun Roll

GOD

Dennis

Oh golf, what have I started!

Mama Fun Roll

Glamorous

Glue

Alex A.

Did you say "golf"? #triggered

Mama Fun Roll

Gleaming

Maltysen

02:57

@AlexA. the hug never arrived

Mama Fun Roll

@Maltysen :)

Alex A.

@Maltysen D:

Mama Fun Roll

That's nice.

A Nerd - I

@Dennis Gratuitous garbage

Mama Fun Roll

@ANerd-I Gifted gamer's goods

Dennis

02:58

Idea: Let's all not use the letter G until 2017.

Doorknob

agreed

oops

Alex A.

Oh no, this will be like the lipo*ramming thing

Aqua Tart

Good idea. oops

A Nerd - I

@Dennis I've had enouh of this liporamming stuff, thank you very much

Aqua Tart

dammit ninja'd

Doorknob

02:59

@AlexA. censors only one of the three gs

Dennis

hahaha

Alex A.

@Doorknob hahaha I didn't even notice that

A Nerd - I

lol

Prorammin Puzzles and Code Olf

Mama Fun Roll

@Dennis Alrity!

El'endia Starman

@Dennis I'm sorry Dennis, but I cannot do that.

Mama Fun Roll

03:01

@El'endiaStarman Oh plz don't

Alex A.

Don't what? Be Hal?

Mama Fun Roll

@AlexA. Just don't.

Alex A.

k

Dennis

Projammin' Puzzles and Code Putt-Putt

Alex A.

Just Don't: Nike's failed advertising slogan

Mama Fun Roll

03:03

ALRIԌHTY, IT'S UNICODE TIME!

Alex A.

Mama Fun Roll

just a note, there wasn't a 0x67 there.

Doorknob

@AlexA. caption: Code Review moderator comforting PPCG moderator after CR graduation

Alex A.

hahahaha

Mama Fun Roll

@Doorknob -1 Too many 0x67's

Dennis

03:05

So, PPCG -> bird, CR -> monkey?

Seems about right.

Alex A.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Mama Fun Roll

Is no one lipoԌramminԌ anymore?

No?

Alex A.

Gnot gme

Dennis

You started to cheat, so it kinda became pointless.

Mama Fun Roll

>:Ԍ

Alex A.

03:06

Standard loophole abuse

Maltysen

@Dennis we're not held down by the rules of gravity(style guidelines)

Alex A.

@Doorknob Ohhh because I'm a bird and rolfl's a monkey?

Doorknob

@Maltysen I dunno, monkeys can do some pretty nifty things with trees

Mama Fun Roll

@AlexA. Nah, just usinԌ the unicode table to my advantaԌe.

Doorknob

@AlexA. yes >_>

Alex A.

03:07

@Doorknob <_< okay

Mama Fun Roll

@Doorknob You mean liek binary treez?

Dennis

Who's rolfl? ^_^

Alex A.

A guy with a name that's part rolf, part rofl.

Also a CR mod

Doorknob

v_v

Alex A.

And apprently not great at puns ( ^ ͜ʖ^)

Maltysen

03:08

Ⓥ_Ⓥ

Doorknob

@AlexA. are you kidding his puns were amazing :P

Alex A.

All I know is that they weren't universally appreciated. I unfortunately wasn't able to experience them firsthand.

Doorknob

@AlexA. chat.stackexchange.com/…

Mama Fun Roll

They should totally have a chatbot that Ԍenerates a random letter that you can't use for the rest of the conversation with the chatbot; otherwise, it will destroy your browser/computer.

Or somethinԌ like that.

Dennis

It's called IE.

Mama Fun Roll

03:15

#CXRLE Pos=-10,-14
x = 24, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
11bobo$8bob3o$7bobobo$8bobobo3bobo$7b3obobob3o$6bobo3bobobo$5bobo5bobo
bo3bobo$2bob3o5b3obobob3o$bobobo5bobo3bobobo$2bobobo3bobo5bobobo$b3obo
bob3o5b3obo$obo3bobobo5bobo$7bobobo3bobo$6b3obobob3o$5bobo3bobobo$12bo
bobo$11b3obo$10bobo!

@zyabin101theHated Another glider bomb.

Dennis

Did you fall asleep on your keyboard?

Doorknob

maybbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb

Mama Fun Roll

@Dennis No, I actually played the piano on it. I'm practicing trill exercises.

With variations.

Alex A.

@AlexA. Recursion

Doorknob

guava juice is rarely acidic

Alex A.

03:18

Is that so I do not recall ever ingesting guava squeezings

El'endia Starman

23:19!

Doorknob

@AlexA. wait, you haven't? :O

Maltysen

@El'endiaStarman hmmm?

Alex A.

@Doorknob Not that I recall

Doorknob

it's one of my favorite drinks, but sadly there isn't much of it around here

Maltysen

03:19

@AlexA. guava juice is the best

Alex A.

s/guava/avocad/g

El'endia Starman

@Maltysen Was the current time, and a reference to Monsters Inc.

Maltysen

@AlexA. s/juice/juic/g

Alex A.

@Doorknob I'll have to try it. Can you not get it in the grocery store there?

Doorknob

Aqua Tart

03:21

I dimly recall having guava juice before

Alex A.

@Maltysen s/the best/try for thirtee minut and no/g

El'endia Starman

@Doorknob DST.

Maltysen

@AlexA. amazon.com/Ceres-Guava-33-8-Ounces-Pack-12/dp/B004741B4Y

Doorknob

@AlexA. well, it's probably somewhere, but it's just not that easy to find

Dennis

@Doorknob You should come visit then.

Alex A.

03:23

@Maltysen brb juicin amazan.coom

Maltysen

@AlexA. the link I gave you was a $60 for 12 packs, so just warning you, you prolly want to buy in smaller quantities

Alex A.

no i'mma drunkin all thee juicies

Dennis

60 dollars for guava juice? They literally grow on trees.

zyabin101 the Hated

@MamaFunRoll Noted, will look later.

Maltysen

@Dennis its for more than 3 gallons of it

Dennis

03:28

How much is that in normal people's units? 12 liters?

Maltysen

yeah

Dennis

OK, 5 dollars per liter isn't that bad. I'd still rather pick them from the tree in my yard though.

zyabin101 the Hated

@El'endiaStarman It 6:19 GMT+3 time.

Maltysen

@Dennis amazon says 15¢ / ounce

Dennis

Each of them appears to hold exactly 1 liter.

> ingredients: pear juice, guava puree

hahaha

Maltysen

03:33

it tastes really good? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Dennis

It can solve the halting problem for all I care. Still not "guava juice".

Nathan Merrill

oooh I love me some guava juice

I had it in Canada, but its hard to find here in Utah

Dennis

That's odd. You could probably grow them in Utah, but definitely not in Canada.

Nathan Merrill

hey, are processor registers made out of the same stuff that RAM is?

(and the only difference between the two is the length of cable between them)?

or, asked another way: If I was a quadrillionaire, and I used RAM that stored everything using registers, would my computer be faster?

Maltysen

@NathanMerrill ram is farther away from the processor

Nathan Merrill

03:41

per my second line

Maltysen

ah k

I'm pretty sure registers are slower to I/O than RAM

Dennis

There are memory-mapped registers, so they can't be that different.

@Maltysen Loading something in a register takes a third of a clock cycle on modern CPUs.

Maltysen

@Dennis >_< flip that sentence

I'm pretty sure RAM are slower to I/O than registers

Dennis

Ah, that makes more sense. :)

Nathan Merrill

actually, it might be possible that memory is faster, considering bus size

Dennis

03:45

@NathanMerrill Well, yes. The slowest part of most operations is loading the input into the registers, and write the output elsewhere.

Nathan Merrill

@Dennis I'm not saying to get rid of the "loading" sequences, nor the distance between the CPU and RAM. My question is more of "if I had specialized RAM that was made in the same way that registers was made, would my computer be faster"

Maltysen

@NathanMerrill yeah

dram is a lot simpler than registers, but are slower to I/O

Register file

A register file is an array of processor registers in a central processing unit (CPU). Modern integrated circuit-based register files are usually implemented by way of fast static RAMs with multiple ports. Such RAMs are distinguished by having dedicated read and write ports, whereas ordinary multiported SRAMs will usually read and write through the same ports. The instruction set architecture of a CPU will almost always define a set of registers which are used to stage data between memory and the functional units on the chip. In simpler CPUs, these architectural registers correspond one-for-one...

Dennis

@NathanMerrill No, it would not. The slow connection between the CPU and the RAM is a limiting factor, which would pretty much negate any speed increase.

Mama Fun Roll

04:03

I was just thinking, what if there was a language that had no arithmetic operators but had bitwise logical operations instead? There will still be numbers and functions and all that stuff, but since you can basically simulate adding (and everything else falls into place basically), that would pretty much eliminate the need for +-*/.

Now that I'm thinking of it more, that would be awesome!

Vihan

@MamaFunRoll I don't see the point of that :/

Mama Fun Roll

@Vihan Why not?

Vihan

because it would be a pain to do basic arithmetic?

Mama Fun Roll

Not really, it would be a bit harder.

(See what I did there?)

Vihan

yeah :l

Mama Fun Roll

04:10

here

this should give you ideas

Vihan

I imagine it would be implemented like f=(a,b)=>b?f(a^b,(a&b)<<1):a

but with division it probably becomes more difficult

Mama Fun Roll

@Vihan Geezus, you wrote the same code I had but less golfy!

Same vars and all, too!

o_O

Vihan

fixed

It would make more sense to not have bitwise operators and only arithmetic operators

Mama Fun Roll

Well, division isn't actually that much harder; there's just some more edge cases.

Vihan

if you're making a language please make & the logical and operator and && the bitwise and. no one uses & in everyday code anyway, I think

Mama Fun Roll

04:14

@Vihan I'll keep logical operators out of this. Besides, & is necessary for addition, so...

Vihan

2 mins ago, by Vihan

It would make more sense to not have bitwise operators and only arithmetic operators

Mama Fun Roll

@Vihan But you can simulate arithmetic ops with bitwise ops and loops/recursion!

I guess I'm going ahead with a dialect of DUP that doesn't have arithmetic operators then...

Vihan

why would you remove arithmetic operators :(

ಠ_ಠ

Sp3000

@Vihan Er... except when you're trying to write well-optimised code or just for bit-hacks?

Vihan

actually: ¯\_( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) _/¯

> everyday code

Sp3000

04:18

I don't see why that doesn't count as everyday code :/

Vihan

I use && (logical and) waaaaaaaaaaaay more than & (bitwise and)

Mama Fun Roll

@Vihan That's because you don't use DUP.

:)

Vihan

I like JavaScript which is apparently a bad language so maybe I just have bad tastes

El'endia Starman

@Sp3000: What do you think of using & for logical and and \bitAnd (which is infix) for bitwise and?

Sp3000

That's fine - I was just refuting the idea that no one uses & in everyday code (Mathematica uses BitAnd, so \bitAnd is fine)

El'endia Starman

04:22

Awesome, I'll do that then.

Alex A.

04:36

> Thinks!!!!

Amusing misspelling of "thanks" spotted in a question thread on a website

zyabin101 the Hated

04:51

@AlexA. where?

Alex A.

Can't recall, already closed the tab

zyabin101 the Hated

takes history clock icon

Zach Gates

What should Gogh's behavior be for integer - array?

Alex A.

Map integer - element to each element in the array

Zach Gates

Great idea! Thanks

Alex A.

05:04

No problem

Vihan

@ZachGates or it could generate a range from [5, ...array]. and array - integer does the subtraction

Wow amazon, thanks for telling me this game changing information. What would I've done without it....

zyabin101 the Hated

Time shenanigans?

@zyabin101theHated Erm... nope. No one. No.

zyabin101 the Hated

05:27

@MamaFunRoll This glider bomb stabilised in 181 generations. I expected such a short period for a small bomb.

#N Stable pattern of glider bomb
x = 69, y = 89, rule = B3/S23
3bo61bo$2b2o61b2o$2bobo59bobo5$20b3o23b3o$20bo27bo$21bo25bo7$bo20b2o
21b2o20bo$2o20b2o21b2o20b2o$obo63bobo6$22b2o21b2o$21bo2bo19bo2bo$22b2o
21b2o11$25bo17bo$25bo17bo$25bo17bo3$22b3o19b3o4$22b3o19b3o3$25bo17bo$
25bo17bo$25bo17bo11$22b2o21b2o$21bo2bo19bo2bo$22b2o21b2o6$obo63bobo$2o
20b2o21b2o20b2o$bo20b2o21b2o20bo7$21bo25bo$20bo27bo$20b3o23b3o5$2bobo
59bobo$2b2o61b2o$3bo61bo!

@MamaFunRoll This one stabilised in 2374 generations and has a population of 822. Also it has a bounding box of a whopping 1044 by 1058. >_<

#N Stable pattern of glider bomb
x = 1044, y = 1058, rule = B3/S23
5b2o$5bobo$5bo57$952b2o$953b2o$952bo3$1042bo$1042b2o$1041bobo5$111b2o$
110b2o$112bo12$132bo$131b2o$131bobo27$842b2o$843b2o$842bo20$923b2o$
924b2o$923bo9$237b2o$237bobo$237bo56$891b2o$892b2o$891bo36$274b2o$274b
obo$274bo122$596b2o$597b2o$596bo5$292b2o$292bobo$292bo56$460b2o$459bob
o$459b2o5$458bo$458bo$458bo2$454b3o3b3o6b2o$469b2o$458bo$458bo$458bo7$
453b2o5b2o$453b2o5b2o3$450b2o$449bo2bo$450b2o6b2o$457bo2bo$458b2o$445b
2o$445b2o2$473bo$472bobo$472bobo$460bo12bo$460bo$460bo$489b2o48b2o$

Mars Ultor

05:56

@zyabin101theHated Running the bot in the 19th byte or something?

zyabin101 the Hated

@MarsUltor No. It's actually me.

Mars Ultor

@AlexA. Ctrl+Shift+T

zyabin101 the Hated

@MarsUltor Or history.

Mars Ultor

@zyabin101theHated Ctrl+Shift+T saves a lot of time if he had just closed it

@Dennis Liter != normal people's units - litres = normal people's units

zyabin101 the Hated

06:41

@Dennis @Mego @AandN and other Git users: Upgrade your Git.

Mars Ultor

@zyabin101theHated ?

zyabin101 the Hated

@MarsUltor Shift and Enter are easily confused.

It has flexible git bisect terms.

And other changes and fixes.

Mars Ultor

@zyabin101theHated BTW, everyone uses Git

@zyabin101theHated Except for aditsu, who uses Hg IIRC

zyabin101 the Hated

06:58

Good thing that Git deletes my current version when I upgrade.

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julia>_

Here's looking at you, @Alex! I installed Julia!

mınxomaτ

@MarsUltor sourceforge users can't be trusted :P

mınxomaτ

07:20

I'm so disappointed in the people of the state I live in...

Martin Büttner

08:01

@trichoplax di.fc.ul.pt/~jpn/gv/boards.htm

zyabin101 the Hated

08:19

> di.fc.ul.pt

difficult XD

Optimizer

09:31

The last message was posted 1 nanosecond ago.

zyabin101 the Hated

The last message was posted 10 years ago.

Thanks anonymous bold text

You're welcome...

zyabin101 the Hated

11:31

This message was sent in 2 hours.

I used up my thanks to it...

~~Monking~~ Monknoon @Quill!

Quill

lol

hey there

zyabin101 the Hated

I don't know which thing to program for the zyabinVI organization. Rarely organizations only consist of a website.

New Main Posts

12:32

1

Q: Happy Rounded Pi Day

To celebrate Rounded Pi Day, you must take advantage of today's date to make a program that takes in a circle's diameter and outputs its circumference by multiplying the diameter by 3.1416, where 3.1416 must be obtained using today's date. Input 3 Output 9.4248 etc. Shortest code wins!

code-golf

Katenkyo

13:08

I just saw the JSFuck question and was pretty amazed!

This stuff is pretty interesting to see here!

Nathan Merrill

maybe I"m behind the times, but ELL has a pretty new theme

zyabin101 the Hated

Regex Golf! Trust me, this one is easy. That's why it's named Warmup.

Dennis

@MarsUltor In most cases, I do not care (specialise vs specialize). In others, AE makes me shudder (aluminum). But ˈliːtər has an e before the r, not after it.

TimmyD

13:25

Am I the only person here that distinguishes between a (live-action) theatre and a (movie) theater?

Dennis

Yes.

TimmyD

:(

Dennis

It's not a word that comes up frequently in my conversations though.

TimmyD

insert generic "uncultured swine" insult

Dennis

Ahem, I don't live in an English-speaking country. When I talk about any kind of theater, it's in Spanish.

Katenkyo

13:30

@TimmyD you're not alone :)

I come from France, so Theatre (Théatre) makes me think of a play instantly, while theater makes me think of movies :)

TimmyD

@Dennis Well, then you've already got cine versus teatro, right? So, you have different words anyway, yes?

Or am I getting you confused for another person?

Dangit, now I'm second-guessing myself. You live somewhere in South America, right?

Yes, that's right, because we argued about Americanos previously. Yay, I vaguely remembered where someone lived! :D

Katenkyo

@TimmyD If his native language is spanish, it could be Mexico, Argentina, Spain (Europe :p). ^^

TimmyD

@Katenkyo No, I want to say it was like ... Paraguay.

I think.

Katenkyo

@TimmyD I won't be the one to help you there ^^'

TimmyD

Yay!

Jan 18 at 15:40, by Dennis

@LuisMendo Both. I was born in Germany, but I live in Paraguay.

Dennis

13:41

Guilty as charged.

TimmyD

Wow. I didn't realize it was a crime to live in Paraguay ... TIL.

Dennis

@TimmyD Yes. In Spanish, it's teatro and cine. In German, it's Theater and Kino.

Katenkyo

It's Théatre and Cinéma in french, wonder where the root Cine comes from as there's something close in German (which isn't latin)

Dennis

I don't hear movie theater very often anyway. Simply saying the movies seems rather common.

TimmyD

Seems like no one here in America (evilgrin) calls movie theaters "Cinemas" anyway ... except maybe for Benny Benassi ... "Movies" or "Theater" or the like seems way more common. Unless they're explicitly searching for the name of a cinema chain, like Regal Cinema.

Rainbolt

14:01

I've started having nightmares that test requested a build and nobody gave them a build.

And the customer is upgrading from versions we never released

Katenkyo

@Rainbolt When your code start giving you nightmares, it's time to rewrite it properly ^^'

Rainbolt

@Katenkyo I could write the most beautiful code in the world. If testing doesn't get a build, then they'll never be able to test my beautiful code.

ETHproductions

@EasterlyIrk EST (Oh, wait, now it's EDT)

Stupid DST, this morning I woke up at 8:30 instead of 7:30

TimmyD

DST is the devil.

ETHproductions

Do we even need it anymore?

Rainbolt

14:06

We go forward then we go backward by the same amount. Seems useless to me.

ETHproductions

It was helpful back in the days before modern technology, when farmers needed sunlight to do their work. But now...

Katenkyo

Time change will be in 1 week in France

Rainbolt

@ETHproductions Reference? I highly doubt farmers give a damn about what time of day the clock says it is.

Katenkyo

@Rainbolt I was talking about nightmares of code in general :). But yes, otherwise, I agree with you :)

@ETHproductions Actually, it existed to do some economy on candles

The time shift is here to allow people having 1 more hour of sun-light at in the evening, to prevent them from using to much candles/oil/whatever they used

Now that we use electricity for everything, it's kinda pointless.

TimmyD

If I remember right, there was a study in Indiana that showed an increase in utilization as a result of DST.

Indiana only implemented DST practices in like 2005 or 2006 or something.

Helka Homba

14:17

@Rainbolt I bet they do. Farmers can always farm when it's light but they have to conduct business during normal business hours like everyone else (for their suppliers, distributors, or just the local bank). Having those hours closer to their waking hours probably helps.

TimmyD

Yep, here it is nber.org/papers/w14429.pdf

> Our main finding is that—contrary to the policy's intent—DST increases residential electricity demand.

zyabin101 the Hated

Became ignorant of yet another random person, who isn't even a participant of PPCG.

TimmyD

> We estimate a cost of increased electricity bills to Indiana households of $9 million per year. We also estimate social costs of increased pollution emissions that range from $1.7 to $5.5 million per year.

Katenkyo

@HelkaHomba I think they do care too, but that wasn't the purpose of the DST ^^

@TimmyD Wow, and that's not by a little... That's weird, wonder what have gone the wrong way

Aqua Tart

14:40

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ f is date expansion right

Helka Homba

In there a word or name associated with cubes/grids/twisty puzzles that sounds like "Langton"?

Aqua Tart

I smell a challenge involving Langton's Ant

zyabin101 the Hated

@HelkaHomba Mangton?

Helka Homba

Nevermind actually

Doorknob

oh come on... maybe the newest question (codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/75508/3808) should be closed, but if so, the reason is not "missing an objective winning criterion"

perhaps "missing an objective voting criterion," but can we stop telling people that popcon is a winning criterion and then voting to close their posts as missing one when they use it

unclear would be better actually (unclear as to how voters should judge answers)

zyabin101 the Hated

14:47

@Doorknob If so, say: [tag:vtc-plz] http://path.to/question with the url substituted for the actual link to the question.

Katenkyo

@Doorknob Actually voted for unclear as I don't know what my program should do while I write these piode...

Doorknob

yeah, that too

Rainbolt

That's what the community gets for causing a fuss over the difference between voting criteria and winning criteria.

Katenkyo

Without presicion on that, I could write a piode in brainfuck, composed of no-ops only and that would do the job...

Doorknob

@Rainbolt if we're going to have a specific reason for "objective winning criterion," we may as well use it correctly

Rainbolt

14:50

Maybe make it less specific? Like "This challenge is not objective" instead of "This specific part of the challenge is not objective"

Doorknob

yeah that's a possibility

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