The Nineteenth Byte

Alex A.

19:00

On a related note, don't use my version of the ??? interpreter. Use BrainSteel's. :|

Geobits

@Zizouz212 What, you mean the socialist hippie comment from earlier? :P

Alex A.

@Geobits s/socialist hippy/Seattleite/ golfed that for you

Zizouz212

Oh god. You're firing me up (and that's generally a hard thing to do)

Geobits

@AlexA. Sure, sure. I was using the long form in deference to you.

Roujo

Huh, looks like I can see upvotes and downvotes on Meta even though I don't have the rep. Is it by design?

Nevermind, that was the userscript doing it. Didn't know. Sorry.

Alex A.

19:02

@Zizouz212 We <3 you

Zizouz212

You won't be able to flatter me :|

Alex A.

Oh hey, now that we've graduated we can end our rivalry with Code Review.

Geobits

@Zizouz212 But... your avatar is like my 247th favorite Pokemon. That's gotta count for something, right?

Zizouz212

What's it called?

Geobits

The poke? Wobbuffet

Trust me, I know my pokemon

Zizouz212

19:04

Alright. Oh, and you peeps are graduating? Congrats!

Alex A.

Thank you :3

Zizouz212

Eh, you know what? I'm going to think of a graduation challenge!

Alex A.

Speaking of BrainSteel, hey @BrainSteel, guess what! We're graduating!

Geobits

Oh is it not StainRebel any more?

Alex A.

Nah

Martin Büttner

19:08

It's been a while, old friend...

Anonymous

This is an exciting day for PPCG

Alex A.

Nah, it's about usual

Anonymous

Feels good

Anonymous

It's not every day your site graduates. Usually that's "never" :P

Alex A.

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Sherlock9

19:10

I have a question about posting in the Sandbox

Also, hello Alex, Martin and Mego! Long time no see

Anonymous

Oh no I've been spotted!

Alex A.

@Sherlock9 Hello!

Anonymous

hides behind the downvote

Sherlock9

If I have two related questions (I was thinking of making it a two-parter, should I post two separate posts?

Anonymous

Almost certainly

Sherlock9

19:11

Alright, thanks

Anonymous

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Q: Should multi-part challenges be allowed?

We occasionally have challenges which consist of multiple separate subchallenges, whose individual scores are simply combined at the end. These are often known as "golf courses". While these are often quite popular they do have some problems. Mainly it's not clear how we should deal with people c...

Roujo

Wooo, I got my referral bonus today! All of the rep!

Alex A.

\o/

Who'd you refer?

Sherlock9

Also, YAY GRADUATION

Roujo

@AlexA. Crap, I meant association bonus. Sorry

flawr

19:14

TimmyD

@flawr Mammalian relative of yours?

Sherlock9

I was reloading the pages going "Weird, the word beta hasn't disappeared yet"

Reloaded again and it disappeared. WE DID IT!

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Beta Function, Part One link to Part Two Sandbox post will be placed here code-golf number-theory integer The beta function B(x,y) is a two-parameter function that is similar to the more well-known gamma function in several ways, including the fact that they can both be defined in terms of int...

Alex A.

@flawr This is so cute I can't even

flawr

But I hope you still can odd.

Alex A.

19:18

I'm always odd

feersum

@NewSandboxedPosts Beta function? We don't need those anymore.

flawr

We graduate???

PhiNotPi

@Optimizer No, I never got chat-suspended or anything.

Sherlock9

@feersum Yeah, my timing was a little odd haha

Alex A.

@flawr YES

flawr

19:23

But it still is a few weeks until april 1st, right?

Sherlock9

The word "beta" is gone, @flawr

We did it

Alex A.

flawr

I agree with @ಠ_ಠ

mınxomaτ

> Congration you Bone it

flawr

I want the beta back as part of the new design. — ಠ_ಠ 2 mins ago

New Sandboxed Posts

19:25

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Beta Function, Part Two Part One Sandbox post code-golf number-theory The beta function B(x,y) is a two-parameter function that is similar to the more well-known gamma function in several ways, including the fact that they can both be defined in terms of integrals or factorials. You can defin...

mınxomaτ

Lol, splendid timing.

Alex A.

@flawr hahaha

Sherlock9

I know! I have been sitting on that beta function idea for days and the day I post it, we graduate XD

flawr

How about the adjustment of the reputation points?

Alex A.

@flawr You mean to +10 for questions? It looks like it probably won't happen.

flawr

19:28

=(

Geobits

@AlexA. +1 for effort, but this can be golfed more.

mınxomaτ

@SimonForsberg It's [font-bowling]. — Alex A. ♦ 38 mins ago

I read that as [font-blowing]

flawr

What does change then with the graduation anyway?

Alex A.

Well, now that we've graduated we no longer have to try to get 10 questions per day. Back to slacking, everyone.

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Roujo

Do we get more stars/day now that we're a real site? =P

Alex A.

19:30

Haha nope

Roujo

dammit

flawr

That means I can again focus on my real life / work / school e.t.c?

I'M FREEEE!

Geobits

Just drop in to post plane crash videos from time to time, k?

Alex A.

@flawr Moderator elections, a custom site design, increased privilege thresholds.

flawr

Oh, that means the whole clutter of deleted posts disappears again? Great=)

Alex A.

19:31

haha

El'endia Starman

Still some time before that happens.

Alex A.

Yep. The privilege thresholds won't increase until we get our custom design.

flawr

Well do we have to get more/less mods?

I think there is not much reason to change the mod team.

El'endia Starman

Alex asked for 4 slots in the election.

flawr

All of them for himself?

Sherlock9

19:32

By the way, I'm on Discord if people want to do a celebratory voice chat

Nathan Merrill

I'm pretty sure there have been more stars today than there have been in the past week

El'endia Starman

And I agree. I want the current (active) mods to remain. :)

Geobits

Should've asked for twelve mods.

Rainbolt

Can I be an inactive mod?

TimmyD

@flawr Alex, AlexSock1, AlexSock2, Dennis

flawr

19:33

Dennis = AlexSock3?

TimmyD

@flawr That would imply that Alex is good at golfing ... ;-)

Sherlock9

Doorknob is a sock? Don't you usually socks on doorknobs not as?

Alex A.

@TimmyD >:U

Geobits

@TimmyD oooo sik bern

TimmyD

:D

flawr

19:34

> As part of the protocol all the mods will have to wear an uniform on their profile picutres that matches the design of the site.

Alex A.

@Geobits Ooooooooh Bernie Sanders

@flawr I could deal with that.

@El'endiaStarman :D <3

Geobits

@AlexA. Is he sick? I haven't looked at the news today.

Alex A.

@Geobits Sick nasty, yo. Bernie Sanders for PPCG mod 2016.

Anonymous

Made some substantial changes to my sandboxed challenge that makes it much more difficult/interesting

flawr

@Sherlock9 Doorsock

Anonymous

19:35

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

The Holier Numbers As we learned from The Holy Numbers, there are 5 holy digits (0, 4, 6, 8, 9), and positive integers consisting solely of those digits are holy. Additionally, the holiness of a number is the sum of the holes in the number (+2 for every 0 or 8, and +1 otherwise). Now, there is ...

Geobits

#feelthebern #consultadoctor

flawr

Who is that?

Alex A.

@Geobits #iftheitchingcontinuesformorethanaweekseekimmediatemedicalattention

Geobits

@flawr Bernie? He golfs by redistributing the bytes among all answers.

Alex A.

hahaha

flawr

19:36

WTF?

Alex A.

Bernie Sanders

Bernard "Bernie" Sanders (born September 8, 1941) is an American politician and the junior United States Senator from Vermont. He is a candidate for the Democratic nomination for President of the United States in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. A Democrat as of 2015, Sanders had been the longest-serving independent in U.S. congressional history, though his caucusing with the Democrats entitled him to committee assignments and at times gave Democrats a majority. Sanders became the ranking minority member on the Senate Budget Committee in January 2015; he had previously served for two years...

^ this guy

AKA the Tiger Woods of code golf.

Sherlock9

@flawr Bernie Sanders is one of the seven remaining main US presidential candidates. The others are Hillary Clinton (the only other Democratic candidate left), Marco Rubio, John Kasich, Ben Carson, Ted Cruz and Donald Trump

Geobits

@AlexA. I hadn't heard he liked to beat up women.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

wait wat

Alex A.

@Sherlock9 Did Martin O'Malley officially drop out?

Sherlock9

19:38

I think so

Alex A.

@Geobits ._.

Sherlock9

Early this February, apparently

Alex A.

@Sherlock9 Glad to see the monkey pile has thinned out a bit >_>

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I join this room and we're talking about communists beating up women and I'm like wtaf

Sherlock9

Jeb Bush dropped out this weekend. That leaves seven

flawr

19:38

As they change the design of the site anyway feature-request blue usernames for everyone.

Alex A.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Bernie Sanders != communist, Tiger Woods is the one who beats the ladies

Anonymous

@flawr Except the mods. They get flashing red and blue usernames because they're the fun police.

TimmyD

@Sherlock9 You mean Jeb**!**

Geobits

flawr

@Mego <marquee>...</marquee>

Anonymous

19:39

@Geobits [downvoting intensifies]

TimmyD

Blink tag? What is this, Geocities?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AlexA. Bernie Sanders ≈ communist, and oh.

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Not even close. Go read a book.

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Sherlock9

Neither Carson nor Kasich are dropping out yet (who knows why). Kasich wants to wait till the primary in his home state of Ohio. No one knows what Carson is going to know. The main Republican candidates are (in order of the latest primary in South Carolina) are Trump, Rubio and Cruz

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Communism and socialism are different

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Sherlock9 forgive me I'm running on ≈ 2 hours of sleep.

@Mego Oh thanksa fucking lot.

Anonymous

19:41

Despite the criticism Sanders gets in the US for being a "socialist", he's actually still way more to the right than actual socialists (e.g. Europe).

Geobits

^

Alex A.

^

Sherlock9

Not a problem. My sleep schedule has been complete crap. Sleep at 8 am sleep till 3 pm

Alex A.

o_O

TimmyD

> Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. -John Kenneth Galbraith

Sherlock9

19:41

^ XD

Alex A.

haha

flawr

Are there any socialists in europe? To me it seems the whole europe is shifting so much right that we soon eat nothing but rice.

Anonymous

A presidential candidate could not be a communist really, because then they'd be running for an office they seek to abolish.

Sherlock9

I just want more social programs in the US. Programs geared towards helping the people. Helping NASA would be nice, too, which has been happening

Nathan Merrill

@MartinBüttner I'd still be a fan of your "Give incomplete directions" as a fastest-code

Anonymous

19:44

@Sherlock9 I just want more American astronauts to go to space. We need Mark Watney on Mars, damnit.

Alex A.

@Mego Marky is close enough. Send him to Mars.

Sherlock9

There's a couple of thinkpieces I read recently that say the American political system (presidential-style) might fall apart soon and that the best option with political parties this polarized is with a parliamentary system

Anonymous

In The Martian movie, Mark should have grown an apple tree on Mars, and brought some apples back with him. Then, when he got back to Earth, he could've offered some to the NASA head guy who was being a prick the whole time, and said "How do you like dem apples?"

Sherlock9

I mean, Indonesia has a parliamentary system and polarized political parties. Lots of corruption, too, but we haven't ever shut down.

Alex A.

@Mego ugh

Did you read the book? I haven't seen the movie.

Sherlock9

19:46

@Mego slow clap

I should read the book

Anonymous

I read the book and watched the movie

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Quick question: Anyone seriously support Donald Trump?

Anonymous

Good Will Hunting is one of my all-time favorite movies

Nathan Merrill

@Sherlock9 there's a reason parties get so polarized: youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I support him winning the Republican primary because there's no way in hell he'll be elected president in the general election

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

19:47

@Mego o_o over the over republican candidates?

Alex A.

Yeah, because the rest are also bad. :P

Sherlock9

I support Bernie Sanders versus Marco Rubio

El'endia Starman

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Considering the demographic you're talking to, I'd say you're querying the anti-choir. :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman (Which demographic am I talking to?)

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ All of them stand a chance at winning the general election. Trump doesn't. I want Bernie in office, so the best chance is if Trump wins the Republican primary.

flawr

19:48

Sleep Fighter

►

TimmyD

What's our policy on abandoned challenge? I formulated a challenge idea, and before I posted it to the Sandbox, I went a-searching for duplicates. I found a similar-ish challenge that was asked over a year ago, no answers, not closed, the author hasn't really been seen since.

Sherlock9

@NathanMerrill I love CGP Grey's videos. I should rewatch some time when it isn't close to 3 am

Nathan Merrill

@TimmyD post a comment

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Mego Then Miz Clinton could win.

El'endia Starman

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Young adults on the internet, the older of whom have been to college.

Sherlock9

19:48

Darn Internet connection at my lodgings is buggy. Sorry for the double post

Anonymous

@TimmyD Make a meta post, ask about closing the old one as a dupe

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman Oh. Hrmph. Irrational, then? :P

RikerW

@Geobits okay if I tell a friend about Marky?

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Not a chance. She's popular among the DNC elite, but she won't be elected if she gets the nomination.

Nathan Merrill

@TimmyD meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/2090/…

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

19:49

@Mego "DNC"? And I'm so happy to hear that \o/

El'endia Starman

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ At least there's more of a political spectrum represented in this room. On Reddit/Imgur, it's Bernie love and everyone-else-especially-Hilary hate.

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Democratic National Convention

El'endia Starman

And Trump mockery.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Mego Ah.

Alex A.

@Mego I actually heard something really interesting on NPR yesterday. They interviewed a reality TV writer who has written for The Apprentice and he said that Trump is very much acting in the same way he would on TV. He doesn't apologize and speaks with such confidence that nobody questions when he says things that are outlandish, contradictory, or just downright wrong. He was saying that Trump doesn't seem to have given a thought to governing but rather is just trying to win.

Anonymous

19:50

Silly community protected the Sandbox

TimmyD

@NathanMerrill Thanks, but the challenge was posted to main.

Alex A.

@Mego Is it protected? I'll unprotect.

TimmyD

I'll go make a Meta post.

Anonymous

@AlexA. I already did

Anonymous

Kinda defeats the purpose if you need 10 rep to use it :P

Nathan Merrill

19:51

@TimmyD ah, my bad

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman Not much more. :P It's a lot of Bernie love in here too

Sherlock9

@AlexA. Except with half a billion people watching (the pop. of America and large chunks of the rest of the world), lots of people are picking his statements apart

El'endia Starman

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ We're just more vocal. :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman :::::P I'm personally okay with Cruz.

El'endia Starman

Well, actually, I forgot another crucial aspect of the demographics in here: a lot of us aren't from the United States.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

19:51

He seems the most presidential of the GOP.

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I don't love any of the candidates. The result will be either a president whose policies and beliefs I oppose, or a president who I support but won't be able to do anything because of congress.

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Despite the fact that it's debated whether or not he's actually eligible to be elected?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I never said you did :|

Alex A.

How many people in here actually can vote in the US presidential election? That is, who's a US citizen and above 18?

Anonymous

@AlexA. raises hand

Alex A.

19:53

raises own hand

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Mego Just cuz there's a debate doesn't mean there's a problem :|

Alex A.

reaches over and raises El'endia's hand

Kevin W.

@AlexA. I can

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AlexA. raises my brother's hand

El'endia Starman

I really need to do some real research on the Republican candidates. Trump is a no-brainer, but I've heard a lot of negative opinions of Cruz, and some regarding Carson, and Rubio seems to be the best of the bunch. But this is all from what I see people say.

@AlexA. :P thanks

Anonymous

19:53

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ There is a problem, though. There's significant reason to say he's not eligible.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Mego Why?

Alex A.

He wasn't born in the US.

Anonymous

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Q: What's the most crucial issue when deciding Senator Cruz's citizenship?

Donald Trump is threatening to sue Senator Cruz for his citizenship issue. I understand Senator Cruz was born in Canada between an American mother and Cuban father. I fully understand it would not be any issue if he had been born in the U.S. or its territory or if he had been born between both A...

united-states us-constitution citizenship

El'endia Starman

@Mego There was a question on Law.SE earlier about that.

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman ninjo'd

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

19:54

If he wasn't born in the US, why is it still debated... ?

El'endia Starman

.........[sigh]

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ He was born to a US citizen.

Hence, has natural US citizenship.

Anonymous

@AlexA. That's not even the reason. The reason is, he was born to a non-US-citizen father and a mother who claimed US citizenship, but was living in Canada and voted in an election as a Canadian citizen, during a time when Canada didn't allow dual-citizenship.

El'endia Starman

^

Alex A.

@Mego Oh, didn't know.

Anonymous

So either his mother commited voter fraud, or by voting in that election she renounced US citizenship, thus making Cruz not a citizen at birth

Alex A.

19:57

Hm.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Is his mother still alive?

El'endia Starman

Gotta say, there's a bit of schadenfreude seeing the GOP's birther accusations of Obama being turned back against one of their own.

Alex A.

translate: schadenfreude

(from German) Schadenfreude

._.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

It's an actual word.

flawr

I was just typing that=)

El'endia Starman

19:57

It's an English word borrowed from German. :P

It's basically "dark joy".

Alex A.

Haven't heard it

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

You are one of today's lucky 10000

flawr

@AlexA. You never heard of damage-joy?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

holy shit we're graduating

Martin Büttner

@NathanMerrill I'm not sure yet whether there's any clever approach to that.

Anonymous

19:59

Schadenfreude

►

Anonymous

(warning: somewhat crude/explicit)

flawr

... is not available in your country.

Anonymous

But an excellent explanation

Anonymous

@flawr :( sowwy

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