The Nineteenth Byte

Sp3000

2:00 AM

Optimally, it'd be good if the OP posted the trivial answer themselves as a baseline, but one can only hope

El'endia Starman

.........now there are two 4-byte answers to the lipogram challenge.

trichoplax

"Minimal effort" is always subjective, but then so is "blank output" if you want it to include the Starry night example. It's similar to the EmoWolf rule. The obvious cases don't need a rule, and the rule can't decide on the non-obvious cases.

Downgoat

@Sp3000 it is case insensitive if that's what you mean

Anonymous

@Downgoat Not really. Those kind of answers have a snowball's chance in hell of winning. They are in no way competitive, and therefore aren't allowed by the "minimal effort" rule.

Anonymous

Discussion: should the banning of a loophole apply retroactively?

Geobits

2:03 AM

No

Anonymous

(standard loophole, not challenge-specific loophole)

El'endia Starman

^^ Too much work.

Seadrus

HQ9+++

xnor

This is a tricky rule to specify because we're OK with people posting a golfed answer when a shorter one exists in the same language.

Anonymous

@xnor So we make the rule "use common sense"

xnor

2:05 AM

@Mego Well, given that people see to be disagreeing about this case, apparently people's common senses doesn't agree.

Aqua Tart

I don't think they are really.

Those comment upvotes are probably coming from casual observers from HNQ

Alex A.

@Doorknob heh what hello

Sp3000

@Downgoat Hmm k, couldn't quite tell from the explanation

Alex A.

I knew @AquaTart was quartata not because of the avatar but because of the absurd number of chat rooms he's in.

3

Geobits

I knew cuz granama

Alex A.

2:12 AM

Is that like a grandma in Panama?

Aqua Tart

@AlexA. hahahaha

@AlexA. It's an anagram of "anagram."

trichoplax

@AlexA. I read that backwards and was disappointed :(

Alex A.

@trichoplax A Panama in grandma? o_O

trichoplax

@AlexA. Um, no that's not what I meant by reading backwards at all...

Geobits

I think he was hoping for a clever palindrome...

Panama is known for them :P

trichoplax

2:15 AM

Indeed. I have a Pavlovian Panama Palindrome response

Aqua Tart

@AlexA. I was thinking about setting up an experiment involving pop con voting but it involves moderator intervention. What's the proper way to ask if it's OK

It probably won't happen anytime soon since first I need a pop-con that won't get closed...

Alex A.

Um, pending further elaboration I'm going to status-declined that real hard.

Aqua Tart

Yeah, figures.

'Tis OK.

Basically the mods would have to lock all the answers on the question

Alex A.

You can't lock answers individually; you lock the question and everything is locked at once.

Also locks serve very specific purposes.

Aqua Tart

53

A: What is a "locked" post?

What does it mean to lock a post? A question or answer which is locked can no longer accept: edits up-votes, down-votes comments, comment up-votes new answers (questions only) close votes, reopen votes (questions only) In the case of locked questions, the (unlocked) answers are not bounded t...

> questions and answers

I'm pretty sure individual answers can be locked.

Anyways, OK

Alex A.

2:19 AM

Oh, huh, they can.

Weird.

Aqua Tart

The classic regex Zalgo answer is locked for instance.

(although the entire question was later locked too)

ӍѲꝆΛҐӍΛПҒЦꝆ

Kat's Kradle

Here lies the Kat.

Back up for testing 2.

Aqua Tart

@ӍѲꝆΛҐӍΛПҒЦꝆ -1 no ice-nine I was lied to

El'endia Starman

>>> a = [1,2,3]
>>> a
[1, 2, 3]
>>> [*a,b] = a
>>> a
[1, 2]
>>> b
3

Sometimes I love Python.

This question's title made me think it was about how to distinguish bad aim with a gun from a bad back. Nope. Something else entirely.

3

Q: How to distinguish "bad shooting" from "bad spine"?

To tune arrows, one should shoot bare shafts (so called "bare shaft test") onto a target. If it's left or right of your "aiming-point", you should adjust the spine accordingly. I'm afraid that my subconscious will mess up the bare shafts. How can I distinguish "wrong spinned shafts" from just b...

xnor

I'll give 500 rep to anyone who can beat the current Python record of 64 chars on this Anarchy Golf challenge before it closes tomorrow. It really feels like it should be possible.

El'endia Starman

2:31 AM

What hope do I have of beating one of the top Python golfers of PPCG?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

2:42 AM

I need help for naming a programming language

Downgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Stackgoat is a good name

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

It's not a stack based lang

Downgoat

oh

is it a golfing lang?

El'endia Starman

Infixgoat

Geobits

What is the language like?

Alex A.

2:43 AM

Is it a goat-based language?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

It's infix and looks rather like a real programming language

Alex A.

Oh, so definitely related to goats then.

Geobits

Give me a hello world and an isPrime?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Uhh

El'endia Starman

1 min ago, by El'endia Starman

Infixgoat

Geobits

2:44 AM

(or explain what makes it special/different)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I haven't implemented string yet

This is that reverse range problem: disp((a<-str1..<>).+~a)

Infixdragon?

Indragix

dragix

Dranix?

2:46 AM

FixedGoat

I

Inb4fixdragon

Inb4strings

Actually maybe L

Just name it Codename Dragon for now. That way if you decide to change it later, it looks intentional.

Alex A.

2:47 AM

四百二十燃やせ。

El'endia Starman

translate: 四百二十燃やせ。

(from Japanese) 420 burn.

Downgoat

Call in Unnamed, that's what I called one of my languages until I came up with a better name

Alex A.

@El'endiaStarman Not quite

El'endia Starman

Or call it TBNLang.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

._.

Aqua Tart

2:49 AM

Maybe call it Anonymous?

Alex A.

Conor O'Language

El'endia Starman

@AlexA. Pretty clear that's what it was with the "420" and that "burn" is related to "blaze"...

Alex A.

:P

I learned it from Filthy Frank.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

InfixdragonIndragixdragixDranixFixedGoatInb4fixdragonInb4stringsLCodename Dragon
四百二十燃やせ。`Unnamed`TBNLangAnonymousConor O'Language

5

^ that's its name :P

Alex A.

Flawless

Aqua Tart

2:50 AM

@AexA. Lmao right he has it on the banners in his room

New Main Posts

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Q: Generate lazy microwave input

Related: Program my microwave oven and Generate lazy values. My colleague is so lazy that he doesn't even bother to move his finger when programming the microwave oven. (This is actually true!) Help him find the microwave input that gives the time closest to what he wants, but where all digits ...

code-golf number date

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Q: Generate lazy values

Related: Program my microwave oven. Inspired by Generate lazy microwave input. The lazy value of the non-negative integer N is the integer that is closest to N while all its digits are identical. Return (by any means) the lazy value of a given (by any means) N. N ≤ the largest integer that you...

code-golf number number-theory

Aqua Tart

dammit on mobile can't answer ;_;

PhiNotPi

He missed his chance to do an infinite "inspired by" loop.

Alex A.

@AquaTart rect

Aqua Tart

@PhiNotPi haha

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

2:56 AM

I'm calling it Dranix. Any objections?

Aqua Tart

sounds like a flavor of unix

El'endia Starman

Yes. It should be called Infixdragon.

(I kid.)

Geobits

@AquaTart And a pipe cleaner/unclogger.

2

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AquaTart Oh, true. Definitely not dranix then.

El'endia Starman

(Or, in absolutely wrong German, Ich Kind.)

Aqua Tart

2:57 AM

Ingon?

ooo

How about DragIn? :P

:P

oh snap

Instead of println I could have dragln.

Geobits

2:58 AM

Oh snap isn't a bad name.

PhiNotPi

Do we have a language called "or" to fill out the rest of Seriously, GolfScript, CJam, or Pyth?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

strawpoll.me/6895842

feersum

We already have one named ,?

Geobits

Codename Dragon is pretty nice I guess.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Abbreviation would be "CD" :|

Geobits

3:02 AM

No need to abbreviate. This isn't code golf :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Oh right

Geobits

I don't complain because Java abbreviates to a whole other language ;)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I remember my friend wanted me to write a script to count primes and was (a) astounded by it's brevity and (b) wondered where and what exactly I program.

PhiNotPi

Call it "Jörmungandr" or something cool like that.

El'endia Starman

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ "DRAAAGON" looks great in that font.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

3:04 AM

It does XD

Geobits

コードネームドラゴン

El'endia Starman

translate: コードネームドラゴン

(from Japanese) Code name Dragon

Oooh, nice. But let's avoid non-ASCII names, please.

Geobits

Here, this is better:

コード名龍

El'endia Starman

It's hard enough to type Conor's name...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

alright who voted for each one :|

El'endia Starman

3:05 AM

translate: コード名龍

(from Japanese) Code name Dragon

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman I should always be on your clipboard.

Geobits

Oh, it was pick-multi?

Downgoat

ς๏๔єภค๓є ๔гคﻮ๏ภ

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Yea

El'endia Starman

@Geobits Yup. I picked DRAAAGON and one other.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

3:06 AM

@Downgoat Don't be a Molarmanful.

;)

Seadrus

how about dr?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

._____.

Geobits

@El'endiaStarman You could use koudo-mei ryu if it has to stay ASCII :P

Alex A.

Dr. Dragon

feersum

Dragony

2

El'endia Starman

3:07 AM

...Conor! What about Ryu for your language's name? :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

huhwat

El'endia Starman

Make another hard-to-google one! :P

Geobits

Yea... if you want it to be all dragony.

Alex A.

Mr. Dragon's Happy Playtime Pals Language

3

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

MDHPPL

El'endia Starman

3:08 AM

Or you could do Dragonryu and confuse people who know Japanese. :P

Seadrus

My Language Pals

Geobits

Akuma-ryu

@El'endiaStarman If you really want to confuse them call it nihongo.

Alex A.

General Tso's Language

@Geobits Or even better, Nihongo Language. Japanese Language Language.

Geobits

nihongo-san!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

someone up/downvote me please

Downgoat

3:10 AM

1

A: Implement a Truth-Machine

HALT, 49 bytes 1 IF '0' 2 ELSE 3 2 TYPE '0';HALT 3 TYPE '1';SET 1 Pretty simple. If input is one go to 3, output 1, set the pointer to 1 so the program never ends. If input is output 0, print, then halt. Online interpreter (Firefox only)

Geobits

How many answers would you like downvoted?

Downgoat

Can that please be upvoted so my other Chatbot can get enough rep

Alex A.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ ...why?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

i dunt like ma rep score .-.

Downgoat

thanks whoever upvoted

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

3:11 AM

2metal4me

@Downgoat no problem! gimme an upvote

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ done

thanks

you're welcome

@Downgoat @Doorknob says he can enable chat for users without the rep req

Geobits

So the clear winner of the strawpoll seems to be Codename DRAAAGON.

Anonymous

3:13 AM

@xnor I'm trying the anagolf challenge but I don't even see how you got it to 64 o_O

Downgoat

@Doorknob can you give Rightgoat chat privileges even though he doesn't have enough rep?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

strawpoll.me/6895939

Anonymous

Best I have right now is 90 :/

Alex A.

@Geobits COOODENAME DRAAAGON

Anonymous

91 actually

Anonymous

3:17 AM

84, but I'm not sure where another 20 bytes could be removed

Sp3000

I still have that horrid 70 with a mess of an expression, so I might try in a bit :P

feersum

I got 65 last time I tried it.

Maybe should investigate using ~9/~99 for the modulus somewhere.

Aqua Tart

Is there a short way to subtract x from all numbers in an array without using a map in Pyth?

Maltysen

@AquaTart list comprehensions ;P

Downgoat

@AquaTart reduce?

Aqua Tart

3:21 AM

No like [3,4,5] 2 -> [1,2,3]

@Maltysen :/

so no

Maltysen

list comprehensions are probably golfier

Anonymous

[3,4,5]2±+ oh wait you said Pyth :P

Aqua Tart

Er.. pyth has those?

Maltysen

oh you said pyth

i read as python

Aqua Tart

I was a little confused.

Maltysen

3:23 AM

i'm guessing u know about R map

Aqua Tart

no...

Maltysen

then the answer to your question is yes

-RQ2

Aqua Tart

oh nice

Maltysen

there is also a left map

L

and a unary implicit map M

Aqua Tart

hm although I just realized that maybe this isn't the right approach

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

3:26 AM

or the left one?

Aqua Tart

I'm trying to do microwave input

feersum

I don't think that's in our list of acceptable I/O methods.

7

Maltysen

-.-

Geobits

I'm telling ya, just mash the "add 30 sec" button.

Anonymous

Ahah, got a 65-byte solution for the anagolf one

Anonymous

3:29 AM

Now what did xnor do to get 64...

Aqua Tart

Was thinking make list of numbers with same digits, store a copy, subtract the input and abs with right map, pick the min index and get the original

Maltysen

well that's basically what I did for the non microwave one, but its very golfable by using the many control flow options

ballesta25

@AquaTart Are we doing username anagrams again?

Aqua Tart

But surely there must be a shorter way to get the number in an array closest to a given number

Maltysen

not that I know of

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

3:31 AM

how to make a new branch in github?

Aqua Tart

This is like 10 bytes

Maltysen

> …very golfable by using the many control flow options

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

oh okay

Alex A.

@feersum Writing up meta answer: "Input may be received by the microwave"

feersum

What about output?

Maltysen

3:32 AM

@AlexA. brb making my old microwave work with ethernet

Geobits

Great. Now I need an antenna :(

Anonymous

@feersum Hot pockets are acceptable

feersum

Even if the input was in pizza bagels?

xnor

@MitchSchwartz @xsot chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/27767654#27767654

Geobits

Pro-tip: Don't take the magnetron out of a microwave and use dryer ducting to direct the waves at stuff.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

3:33 AM

uh how do I delete a branch?

Maltysen

Steins;Gate anyone?

Alex A.

Microwaving A Microwave Microwaving In HD Wide Screen

►

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ git -r -d <branchname>

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

ok

Geobits

@Maltysen Never heard of it. We did this bored at work once >_>

Doorknob

3:35 AM

@AlexA. quartatotots posted an answer in your favorite 1-letter-long-name language

Anonymous

Easier to just delete on GitHub and git pull though

Anonymous

@Doorknob C?

Doorknob

no

Anonymous

D?

Doorknob

keep trying...

Maltysen

3:35 AM

@Geobits didn't mean to reply to yours. Steins;Gate is an anime involving time travel with a microwave

Anonymous

I'll get there eventually

Anonymous

X?

Alex A.

@Doorknob My favorite one-letter-long-name language is Ostrich.

Sp3000

@Maltysen トゥットゥルー♪

Doorknob

@AlexA. ಠ

Anonymous

3:36 AM

Macrowave Time Machine – RT Shorts

►

Maltysen

@Sp3000 Mayushii for best girl? ;P

Sp3000

Easily.

ballesta25

Kurisu, clearly.

Sp3000

Also wondering how everyone's getting 60-something for ordinals hmmm. Clearly doing something wrong here

Anonymous

Wait you have to do all of the input numbers?!? How on earth is that done in 64 bytes?

Anonymous

3:39 AM

I got 64 for one number at a time >_<

xnor

@Mego yes, anarchy challenges generally require you to read a bunch of newline-separated inputs

Geobits

@Mego ... used Tinder to forge a one-night alliance with France...

Aqua Tart

@Maltysen hrmp I swore pyth had a min index built in

Alex A.

@Geobits ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Maltysen

@AquaTart hint: it has a sort by key function

Aqua Tart

3:42 AM

I got mad2J for the difference part at least

@Maltysen Ugh, more bytes. Then I gotta do range and all that

Anonymous

@xnor Then clearly you use hax

Anonymous

I am not seeing the 64 byte solution at all

Alex A.

@xnor PPCG > Anarchy

Anonymous

Agreed

xnor

I'm lucky to be able to tie xsot and mitchs actually

Alex A.

3:44 AM

Are those our own xsot and Mitch Schwartz?

yup

Traitors

other way

I'm pretty sure xsot was on anarchy first :P

xnor

they were on anarchy before joining ppcg

feersum

3:45 AM

Anarchy is better for actual golfing.

xnor

so, yes, traitors :-)

feersum

As opposed to puns, language design, or things like that.

xnor

yeah, i'm impressed with the consistent quality of golfing on anarchy

Doorknob

@feersum You are confusing chat with main site :P

Alex A.

@feersum What makes it better for golfing?

xnor

3:46 AM

so many times I think I've squeezed out every char only to see the anarchy golfers doing a good deal better

feersum

@AlexA. It has strong competition in various mainstream languages.

And other solutions are hidden.

Anonymous

I slid into #9 with 76 :/

Sp3000

^^ That last one especially (hidden)

xnor

@AlexA. if I had to guess: grouping by lang, sorting by length, no secondary incentives in upvotes, historical inertia

yes, definitely hidden answers

does anyone know how much discussion or community there is on anarchy?

there's none on the surface but i'm not on the irc channels

Anonymous

And 74

Sp3000

3:48 AM

Apart from the IRC, I dunno

feersum

I haven't tried the IRC either

Sp3000

Fun fact: 10th is me, when I forgot to put in my username :P

Alex A.

@feersum I don't see why hidden answers are a positive. We get decent competition in mainsteam languages but we don't have a huge user base like Anarchy. Not yet anyway.

Aqua Tart

@Maltysen bleargh ho@mad2JNUlJ

xnor

@AlexA. i'd be very surprised if anarchy were bigger than us

feersum

3:52 AM

@AlexA. PPCG does not have much of competition in mainstream langs.

Aqua Tart

you're sure there is no other way?

Doorknob

@feersum I try to fix that with Ruby and Rust and such ^.^

Fun fact: We are the top two Google search results for "code golf"

Maltysen

@AquaTart uh yes there is

Alex A.

@xnor Really? Any time I've been on Anarchy it looks huge.

xnor

@AquaTart i think collaboration could produce much the same results as competition

Sp3000

3:52 AM

@AlexA. Ever wanted to golf a question and see an answer already posted in your favourite language, so you don't even bother starting?

Maltysen

same algo but different implementation

Alex A.

@feersum I'm hoping that'll increase as we grow.

Doorknob

@Sp3000 yes, this happens to me a lot actually

Maltysen

what exactly are you looking for code for?

Aqua Tart

@xnor not talking to you :p

Maltysen

3:53 AM

shortest dist from J?

feersum

Worse, you write an answer and are about to post it but then notice there's a char-for-char identical answer..

Alex A.

@Sp3000 Very few other people use Julia so it doesn't happen to me all that often, but usually if someone has already submitted a Julia solution I don't participate...

@feersum Oh, yeah. Good point.

Doorknob

@feersum I've had that happen literally seconds before I clicked "post your answer" once .-.

Mitch Schwartz

the competition aspect can be fun in my experience

Sp3000

@AlexA. "If someone has already submitted a Julia solution I don't participate..." <-- That. Potentially you could have come up with a better answer, but because you already see a pretty good one you don't even bother trying

Aqua Tart

3:54 AM

@Maltysen Shortest distance from a number (replace 2 with Q :p)

Alex A.

Yeah

Mitch Schwartz

having all code visible can feel like playing poker while being able to see everyone's cards

xnor

also, FGITW means the earlier answer likely gets more attention even if yours is better

Aqua Tart

@ho@mad2JNUlJJ in total

Maltysen

@AquaTart ho.a-RJQ

i think

Aqua Tart

3:55 AM

@Maltysen wtf

Mitch Schwartz

i would not describe anarchy golf user base as huge, in terms of active users

Maltysen

if J is the list being looked through

Sp3000

(xnor likes to post late, so I'm always sad when they come in late with a superb answer, only after the question has died down)

Mitch Schwartz

quite small really

and irc is almost always silent

xnor

does someone know how to check how many accounts are on PPCG?

Aqua Tart

3:56 AM

how worky

Mitch Schwartz

just the bot reporting when new submissions are made

Maltysen

@AquaTart does it?

i didn't test

Aqua Tart

idk lemme check

Alex A.

@xnor Hm, I almost wonder if it might be worth experimenting with putting code in spoiler tags. (cc @feersum @Sp3000)

Geobits

Eww

Alex A.

3:57 AM

Yeah

Personally I like having the answers visible because I like to read them and learn from them

Sp3000

Puzzling did that, and I wasn't a great fan of it :/

(do they still do that?)

Alex A.

Yeah

Doorknob

@Sp3000 nor am I

Mitch Schwartz

well there are problems where all code becomes visible after the deadline

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Q: Golf the x'th root of x

While bored in high-school (when I was half my current age...), I found that f(x) = x(x-1) had some interesting properties, including e.g. that the maximum f for 0 ≤ x is f(e), and that the binding energy per nucleon of an isotope can be approximated as 6 × f(x ÷ 21)... Anyway, write the shortes...

code-golf math arithmetic

Geobits

3:58 AM

There's no real problem with answers being visible imo. If you accept the premise that this site is just done differently, that is.

Mitch Schwartz

usually there's some activity shortly after the deadline, if people find a few improvements by combining tricks

but not too much activity for post-deadline problems

xnor

@Geobits it's great how people can comment and suggest improvements to code. i think public answers could be leveraged for quality golfing

Aqua Tart

@Maltysen err missing an arg for o

Geobits

@xnor Yea, my early answers especially were heavily commented on, and I learned a lot from the team process.

Maltysen

@xnor maybe after accepted answer, we can all help golf a community wiki answer

Kat's Kradle

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