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@JoelSpolsky Same question but for here.
@Calvin'sHobbies You can't superping :X
@Calvin'sHobbies Nice try but that's not a super ping. :P
@Geobits Found your post about StackEgg: meta.stackexchange.com/a/252401/254466
@Calvin'sHobbies Thou ist not mod.
22:01
I can believe
> Some users from Programming Puzzles and Code Golf have apparently raided other sites' stack eggs, forcing them to restart.
It's all fun and games until people who are serious about games figure out how to remove that inefficient fun. — Jon Ericson ♦ Mar 31 '15 at 17:02
I can ping @GraceNote. Any news on the ppcg graduation situation? :)
ninja'd
Let Grace and Jon sort out the stuff on their end before pinging them or Joel
@Calvin'sHobbies Other than the fact that we a so desperate that we have a userscript for it? No.
@VoteToClose Him (?)
@RikerW We had one on CR
Him.
22:03
o-o I'm so sorry.
@Quill Nice.
I wrote it ;p
Please don't correct people on that matter. Neither is incorrect.
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@Quill Or, you know, trust that the Stack Exchange community managers will do what they need to do and avoid bothering Joel.
@GraceNote Okay.
22:04
@GraceNote Which do you prefer?
@AlexA. Tough times call for tough solutions
My money is on "either". (or "neither")
@GraceNote sure
22:05
Who remembers that game
@VoteToClose halp?
> wait: w
wait the top item of stack in seconds.
@Adnan hell yeah :)
@RikerW You wait (top) seconds.
Hahaha, I was addicted to that game :)
wait the length of the top stack value in seconds?
22:05
So, if the top item of the stack is 2.5, then wait 2.5 seconds.
@Adnan I belive it.
@Adnan Incredible machine? (or similar) Loved that
I prefer people use whichever pronoun they feel most comfortable with, for whatever reasons they have. When you reach the point of correcting people, that's someone else asserting as if they know that I belong to a particular sex and that's the kind of assertion I dislike.
Does anybody else find @Adnan's avatar creepy
its cute (ish)
22:06
@Calvin'sHobbies Yes, The Incredible Machine
@Calvin'sHobbies :3
Oh that's kind of a doge
Maybe.
@GraceNote Makes sense. Thanks :)
Something like it anyway
@GraceNote Yeah, but I shouldn't have assumed in the first place. :\ Sorry about that. What pronouns would you prefer (I get what you said, but I'm asking what you wish me to use)?
I know it's doge, but it could be a pikachu
22:07
@VoteToClose She just addressed that
If you'd like, you can clear up one other thing while you're here... ;)
@GraceNote Yes, it's the worst doge I've ever made
@AlexA. Eh, alright.
I just don't want to offend anyone. D:
> I prefer people use whichever pronoun they feel most comfortable with, for whatever reasons they have.
Sounds like she won't be offended either way ;)
If I had a pronoun I'd ask you to use, then I'd just tell you to use that in the first place and we wouldn't be in this situation.
22:09
"They" it is. \o/
Yes, that's perfectly fine, haha.
Heh. Good point. =)
@VoteToClose SE is the least offendable/angry community site I know
@Calvin'sHobbies Tell that to Mos Eisley or The Bridge. :P
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Thou shouldst make a "Tips for Golfing in (Simplex|Jolf)" question.
@Calvin'sHobbies \o/
22:10
@VoteToClose Simplex is not yet done. Jolf, maybe!
@AlexA. Try the SO chatrooms
@AlexA. The Bridge is pretty chill usually.
I thought Simplex didn't have an interpreter yet?
^ Does now.
> Simplex is not yet done
22:11
@GraceNote @JonEricson While it wasn't an ethical way to shout out you guys through an MSE loudspeaker, thanks for looking into site graduation process, a massive weight has been taken off the shoulders here.
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Simplex has always had an interpreter.
It was his first language
@AlexA. I'm re-implementing it
In Jolf?
@quartata <3 thanks for remembering
@AlexA. not done doesn't mean non-existant
22:11
@Quill Starred for agreement.
The whole behind it is, basically, I... kinda loathe gender as a construct. In two previous net communities I've been in, after a long period of being basically "genderless" in the fact that it was never a thing of anything, in one community I suddenly was asserted as male (I never figured the trigger for this), and one I was asserted as female (originated from a bug in the forum software)
In both cases, treatment of me completely changed. I stopped being "one of the gang" and instead became, well, the corresponding gender. And that sucked. Big time.
@Quill The guy who posted on MSE wasn't even one of us
@GraceNote :( I'm sorry to hear that.
Although I agree
22:12
Nice
Rather limited as of now
All of my Minecraft buddies think I'm a she. >.> I don't bother correcting. What's interesting is that my pronouns just don't matter online. xD
I am me, one way or the other. I don't be a different person just because of either sex or gender. So that's why my stance is neutrality on the matter. What I am doesn't matter, it's who I am.
So is CP-1252 the new hip encoding now
22:13
@Quill Not ethical to ask a basic question?
In real life, though, it's very he/him/his.
@GraceNote No matter what happens, you're always one of the gang here. <3
@GraceNote Do you have a gender in real life?
(^^|v)
@AlexA. What he said.
22:13
@RikerW o-o?
@Calvin not on the on-topic rules
@VoteToClose * v
(The forum bug one was particularly egregious because I'd been with that community for SIX YEARS and suddenly that all became invalidated basically in how people treated me)
@Quill Oh. I've never seen that person before
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Number spamming + letter spamming + simplex interpreter = 1.212414278788e+12
22:14
@RikerW niiiinjad
Uhh, ^
@GraceNote :c
@Quill how is (removed) a ninja??? :P
@RikerW 121241427...8...7...8...8
@RikerW If you asked me a few years ago I probably would've had a more stubborn answer but after so many years of adopting this neutrality stance... I kinda like that more, really.
Gender is the worst.
22:15
@RikerW You're not the first (removed).
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@RikerW \<|*_*|>/
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Oh. So letters do nothing?
@Lynn o_o it keeps our civilization alive
lol
@RikerW No-ops, until I implement them.
22:16
@Quill Some guy not knowing the exact meta posting rules is not what I'd call unethical. :?
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Nah, procreation does that.
@Quill It's alright. I feel bad that we missed things, so if you want anything we can call it even. ♪
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Sex keeps our civilization alive. >.>
ninjaed
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Gender has nothing to do with keeping civilizations alive.
Gender is self-identity
22:17
The ninja is strong in here today.
@RikerW Nah - I meant as in biological sex, not the task. :P
Yeah it does. Have you had sex without a biological gender? >_<
I think civilization could do fine without gender.
It works for the flowers
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ (question: appropriate?)
22:17
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ sex != gender
Ninja'd. All of you.
xD
Sex is biological, gender is identity.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
22:18
sex == (biological gender|procreation)
They're usually synonyms, unless otherwise said. (At least, because I cannot say "sex" at school or at home)
wth is a biological gender?
Oh boy I leave for 5 minutes and suddenly there's a wave of carrots and ninjas
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I guess for a lot of people, but when the topic at hand is so specific, the difference matters.
@ThomasKwa this second definition plus gender.
22:19
PPCG -> Programming Puzzles and Correction on Gender (definition)
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On an academic level, you can argue that "sex" is physiological and "gender" is identity, but on a linguistic level they're exceedingly interchangeable in common parlance (look at how form fields are done in various forms).
@Geobits I'm not good at getting context from words on a screen ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Neither is my bot. Yet.
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I always assume sarcasm. o-o
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I think that at the very least, if you precede either word with "biological", that along kinda directly gives meaning already.
22:19
The topic at hand is a slightly touchy topic for me, so I'm gonna withdraw for a while.
@GraceNote the same thing is happening to you that happened to quill.
WE ARE STEALING YOUR SOUL
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@GraceNote I'm optimistic that that will change.
@VoteToClose AVOCAD JUIC IS TRUTH NOT SARCASM
@GraceNote Haha, M/F form fields have made me more nervous than some exam questions. v_v
@RikerW oh thanks for reminding me about my avocad challenge
@Lynn If it's a paper form, draw a box to the side with your own specification :)
lol
@RikerW PPCG is just too fun, I can't bring myself to Ctrl+W the chat window anymore
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

quartataChallenge about advacado Inspired by this. No avocados were harmed in the making of this challenge. Hello I have challenge I need help juic an avocado so I need program to tell me how long to juic avocad for Observe this ASCII art avocado: ###### # # # #### # # # p# # ## ...

22:21
any last comments
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ \o
@quartata better title
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ bai
@Calvin'sHobbies What he said.
☐ Male ☐ Female ☑ do u really care
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@Calvin'sHobbies no that ruins the meme value
22:21
/o/
\o\
\o/
\o.
> How much juic avocad? How long?
2 mins ago, by Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
The topic at hand is a slightly touchy topic for me, so I'm gonna withdraw for a while.
I'm trying to leave o_o
stahp pinging meh
/o/
\o\
\o/
*SHING*
\o.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
@VoteToClose That's.... gonna leave a mark.
22:22
xD
> avocadospeak
I had a childhood friend who got a sex change, but it was after I had already left town. I accidentally referred to my friend as a "he" on Facebook and got chewed out for it. Said I was a jerk for not checking her gender before posting. How was I supposed to know she had an operation?
Oh, I forgot to implement avocad
Not really childhood I guess. That was in college
@Rainbolt Some people are just jerks. It's an honest mistake, and if they can't get over it... meh.
22:23
^
@Rainbolt ^
@VoteToClose a language?
if so there must be 3 different juic commands.
Oct 29 '15 at 23:01, by VoteToClose
I must make a language called avocado that uses that syntax.
@Rainbolt I’d think her Facebook name would be different o_o
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Q: We're not a Q&A site. But what should be done about it?

Martin BüttnerIt has come up several times recently (more than usual) that PPCG differs from most of the other Stack Exchange sites in that it's not a Q&A site. People don't come here to ask a question because they have a problem, people come here to solve recreational challenges. The most valuable contributio...

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22:25
@Lynn Unless a gender neutral name. ie Chris, alex, ...
@Lynn there's gender neutral names
@RikerW Pat.
Okay, that works.
Oh, sure, it’s possible
22:25
@VoteToClose wait, was that the actual name?
@Calvin'sHobbies O.o [citation-needed]
@Calvin'sHobbies *bob
@RikerW No, just adding to the list.
@NewMetaPosts @MartinBüttner Nice. We've needed this post for a long time.
@VoteToClose If gender doesn't matter why can't a girl call herself Burt?
22:27
true
So here's an odd question. A man gets a sex change, but you are speaking about a memory that you had before the operation. Do you use the pronoun from the past, or the pronoun from the present?
@quartata I've been meaning to post it for a month or two :/
Example: "He and I used to go fishing all the time."
@Rainbolt use the new pronoun in past tense
@RikerW Patty? Patrick? Pat. It's a name
22:27
@Rainbolt new pronoun
I can't tell @Lynn and @Calvin'sHobbies apart very well cause icon.
ninja'd
UserScript idea: Sort answers by first code block length
@Rainbolt Usually, people prefer you use their new pronouns, even when talking about the past, yeah.
First code block length
usually really short ones have an explanation afterward in a second block
22:29
I realize that they can strengthen a gender identity, but I don't really like gendered pronouns ever since I read Douglas Hofstadter's essay.
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but comments, anyway
@ThomasKwa *]
There is an extra ] on the end.
of the url
@ThomasKwa 404
@trichoplax remove the last bracket
22:29
Works now...
.lol hahaha
> pageok
Why should we force ourselves to differentiate ourselves on gender? That's basically what gendered language is.
22:30
@Lynn >Minxomat owns that one.
@ThomasKwa Sports are one good example I can think of off the top of my head. You wouldn't want to combine men's and women's tennis or soccer into a single bracket.
@ThomasKwa I've disliked them for as long as I can remember, but seeing that essay recently (Lynn linked it a few days ago) I still found it very powerful. It should be shown to more people...
anyone wanna play? -> curvefever.com/…
ppcg.ninja
22:32
@Calvin'sHobbies Ohh, I thought we were listing gender-neutral names. Sorry. :D
@Rainbolt That's based on physical ability, which is based on sex.
@VoteToClose I was
Belgium story: the cities of Ghent and Brussels have a famous joke-y soccer rivalry history, and this happened fuck.gent
@Calvin'sHobbies Waiting for ads...
@Calvin'sHobbies I'm down for that
22:32
ppcg.life
ppcg.for.life
> Lynn linked it a few days ago
Hmm, I didn't see it the first time.
code.golf
@ThomasKwa Don't worry:
> It should be shown to more people...
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ curvefever.com/play2.php if link no work, ppcg room, pw ppcg
22:33
@ThomasKwa I guess you could argue that the pronouns are based on sex too, in that case.
@Calvin'sHobbies The link worked
@Rainbolt ?
@ThomasKwa The caveat there is hormones. It gets really tricky from there
@Geobits oh you ninja'd me while I wrote up my general "fix the help centre" answer
I thought about doing the whole help center, but wasn't sure how specific you wanted them to be.
22:35
I've actually gone through the entire help centre a few weeks ago and made a list. the don't ask page is really just the tip of the iceberg.
Yea, it's pretty bad.
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Q: Challenge about advacado

quartataInspired by this. No avocados were harmed in the making of this challenge. Hello I have challenge I need help juic an avocado so I need program to tell me how long to juic avocad for Observe this ASCII art avocado: ###### # # # #### # # # p# # ## #### # # # ###...

@Rainbolt At a family gathering once I just kind of wondered aloud why there aren't women's football games on tv. My sister's response: "Because who would want to watch that?"
@Calvin'sHobbies I got my colour - what are the chances...? :)
XD but also ಠ_ಠ
22:36
@Lynn It does. My point was that we shouldn't be mandating an increase in the role gender plays in our lives, as that runs contrary to...everything gender-neutral that's happened over the last decades.
@AlexA. That's true of a lot of women's sports
Advacado?
Advacado.
Someone link Grace to the meme
@GraceNote We have a rather odd running joke in here about avocados...
22:37
Well, as long as we don't end up with an Aardvocado
Sep 22 '15 at 3:19, by Alex A.
@PhiNotPi hello i have quetions how does juice an avocado i have try for thirtee minut and no juic
It would also make sense to have weight categories and height categories in many sports, but there aren't. Some sports don't divide by sex or gender, some do. There doesn't seem an underlying good reason that wouldn't also apply to other physical characteristics
I just noticed: was that "thirtee" thirty, or thirteen?
@quartata Pff
22:38
@ThomasKwa Thirteen.
Aardvocado sounds much better than either alone, honestly.
@ThomasKwa Thirty
@AlexA. Wait, really?
Shit, I made it thirteen in the challenge.
Yes
Who cares
We clearly must find user46049 in real life.
22:38
Oh, that is alex
I thought we all knew it was an Alex sock made for just that purpose?
Well considering Alex's message predates the question by 2 weeks..
@trichoplax That's a good point.
@Geobits sshhh
@Calvin'sHobbies crashed my browser and locked me out. (-o
22:39
Oh, I mean, umm. No. It totally wasn't Alex.
There's a CM around we don't want to talk about.. things that go on your feet
@quartata Oh, got it. i totally won't talk about socks stuff.
@quartata Socks go on your feet. Sock puppets go on your hands.
@AlexA. sh.
Sock puppet accounts go on your computer.
22:40
Oh, okay.
I completely didn't know that... /s
Speaking of socks, my roommate and I threw out every sock we own and got two sets of two very distinct kinds of sock. If I catch him wearing my socks again, I am going to be extremely fussy.
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haha
Nice.
@Rainbolt I was expecting a more extreme response than "get fussy."
22:41
You've never seen him fussy then.
Well I can't very well beat him can I?
Well I guess this avocado thing was a mistake
@Rainbolt There's always a choice.
@Calvin'sHobbies ok
22:42
@Mego I don't see the reasoning for closing as dupe.
I kinda see it, but I'm borderline so I'm not voting either way.
Quick announcement:
dare I click on this
It's beautiful.
Oh it's just like codegolf.xyz
22:44
@Quill ♥ A well spent 10 bucks
ppcg.lol/chat should come here.
Or chat.ppcg.lol. Whichever.
FWIW I don't think a straight up flood fill solution would be the best way to tell you how long to juic avocad for.
There's some better approaches I think.
@Geobits on it
BTW: 19byte.com is free IIRC
@quartata Can I get avocad juic to O(1) or is it O(N) where N is the amount of avocads
@Quill The most basic solution I thought of is O(N^2)
where N is size of avocad
Amazon knows something we don’t. Read Clause 57.10 https://aws.amazon.com/service-terms
22:47
Wow, I can't even sort my avocads in O(n), much less juic them.
in The 2nd Monitor, 32 secs ago, by Mat's Mug
> However, this restriction will not apply in the event of the occurrence (certified by the United States Centers for Disease Control or successor body) of a widespread viral infection transmitted via bites or contact with bodily fluids that causes human corpses to reanimate and seek to consume living human flesh, blood, brain or nerve tissue and is likely to result in the fall of organized civilization.
w t f
Amazon's got jokes.
Good for them and all. Their app store still sucks soooo bad though.
22:51
I wonder if PPCG is currently leading the Stack Exchange network in terms of number of sites that redirect to us.
@AlexA. list?
@Quill So far all I know are codegolf.xyz and ppcg.lol.
I bet SO has a few redirects, for anti-abuse if nothing else.
well I just bought two for CR, so meh
22:52
2ndmonitor.lol
He's still one of them. BURN HIM!
@Geobits you already have half my soul, what more do you people want
@Quill The other half obviously
Make a golfing language
I think you know the answer to that.
@quartata I'll settle on a ecmascript dialect
22:54
Post more challenges
Do something
Post more challenges
Someone just linked me this. Ahvucaidee~
@Lynn Is "ahvucaidee" supposed to be some kind of mispronunciation of "avocado"?
Also I don't know what the ~ thing at the end of your messages is for, but it's adorable.
Absolutely
Oh I see, just watched the video
It's not often that my Java answers lead the pack in votes for three hours in golf. Sometimes for a bit right after posting if I'm one of the first, but it usually doesn't last long at all.
22:59
What avocad post
There have been many

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