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22:02
lul
A valiant effort, @Roujo.
@Adnan weird its x x for me
Macs don't have alt-gr; I think they have Option instead. Option+= makes ≠.
@AlexA. Of course it does. ಠ_ಠ
Why stick to a standard if you can make one up?
I use caps-lock for mine, alt-gr is too small
22:09
I don't really know what alt-gr is anyway.
AltGr (also Alt Graph, Alt Graphic, Alt Graphics, Alt Car, or Right Alt) is a modifier key found on some computer keyboards and is primarily used to type characters that are unusual for the locale of the keyboard layout, such as currency symbols and accented letters. On a typical, IBM-compatible PC keyboard, the AltGr key, when present, takes the place of the right-hand Alt key. In OS X, the Option key has functions similar to the AltGr key. AltGr is used similarly to the Shift key: it is held down when another key is struck in order to obtain a character other than the one that the latter normally...
TL;DR Right Alt
> In OS X, the Option key has functions similar to the AltGr key.
ok
That is what thinked
Wah, right alt+c doesn't work. :(
@Maltysen Two x's?
22:11
yeah
@El'endiaStarman You need to pick a keyboard layout that has an AltGr key. US international, for example.
heh
Or you could just use a Mac because #yolo
or use linux which lets you set custom compose keys
I use a Compose program on Windows
22:13
key to succes = windows
@Maltysen The characters look the same, but are in fact quite different.
@Adnan flagged as wrong and offensive
It could be that this chat message text input box just doesn't accept the alternative methods. Lemme check in a different program.
Hahaha
@Dennis Well, depending on the language, he might have just assigned windows to the key to succes. In which case it all depends on if the typo matters or not. =P
hahaha
22:15
I heard from a friend that Linux is not as user friendly as Windows
@Roujo Me too! WinCompose is very good
but I'm not sure if that's true
That's false
@Adnan objectively false
@Roujo Every time you press the Windows key, it changes your desktop background to
succes
22:16
Hahaha
Rofl rofl =P
@AlexA. THINK OF THE SHORTCUTS YOU'RE PREVENTING D:
@flawr this is really fun
@Roujo Isn't it worth it for grate succes though?
@AlexA. I've always use a jackdawpole for that kind of thing, though
Hey, guys, what would be a better tag descriptor set for this question?:
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

VoteToCloseApproximate ∫((e^x)/(x^x))dx code-golfmath You are to approximate the value of: Where your input is I. Rules You may not use any built-in integral functions. You may not use any built-in infinite summation functions. Your code must execute in a reasonable amount of time ( < 20 seconds on ...

feels too shorthand.
That's no longer shorthand
As in, more specific.
Hahaha
22:20
o-o
We don't have calculus or Riemann tags
22:23
Too bad I have no internet for the next few days.
Plus, I specifically forbid infinite Rieman sum builtins.
I'm not sure whether I'm gonna survive.
Which is the only accurate way to do that.
@flawr ono y
@flawr DDDDDDD:
@Sherlock9 Eh.
22:23
Cause snow!
And mountains!
And ski!
@AlexA. No time like the present
And snowboard!
Fair enough
And sleds!
@flawr 1/10 not enough PPCG
2
22:24
@flawr Oh, you'll be traveling to the Swiss Alps to participate in winter sports?
@VoteToClose I took it that you had to implement them instead
Sound awesome :D
Perhpas I can log into some not very securely secured wifi hotsppots.
@flawr #vpn
Just leave your desktop on with ssh, tunnel through it.
Problem solved.
@VoteToClose Please do not post it until I'm back D:
22:27
@VoteToClose don't take this the wrong way, I genuinely don't know: why is that interesting?
@flawr No promises. c:
@MartinBüttner (e^x)/(x^x) doesn't really have a definable integral.
Chat mini-challenge: return the nineteenth byte/character in an input string.
Vitsy, 5 bytes: a9+\}
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ qK=
lH= CJam
err, J=? K=?
22:30
K=20
would have been I
haha
we both fail
@MartinBüttner That does give you a good reason for interestingness, no?
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ fun s->s.[18]
oh yes, qI=.
@Roujo That's fun!
ha ha ha..
@VoteToClose oh, so the point is just to use some function that can't be integrated analytically such that all answers are required to use some numerical scheme?
22:32
Assuming printing is fine, Minkolang: $o99+gO., 8 bytes.
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ It is! And only 300% the size of the CJam answer! =D
I guess that's fair enough, but I do wonder if we haven't had other numerical integration challenges before.
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Julia, 8 bytes: s->s[19]. It throws an IndexError if the string is fewer than 19 characters long.
BF: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.
5
Stunning
22:34
@AlexA. That might be a problem you see often, true
everyone +1 it because it's BF
@MartinBüttner Nope.
@Roujo wet
@VoteToClose you win ;)
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I'll be a n00b and change the rules after the challenge is posted :3
jk
22:35
\o/
@VoteToClose yes yes
Welp, time to go home. See ya everyone ^^
Bye
@Roujo You should just rejoin TNB when you get home. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@AlexA. I always do =P
Nice! Then we'll see you in a bit. :D
@flawr One is integrate-able not integrate-able, the other is an improper integral on constant limits.
Ok, so I've been wanting to update a rhythm game of mine for several years. Who wants to be brutally honest about what needs to change? I know the list will be long. If you're interested and have an Android (bigger screen is better), here's the link. You'll need some music on your device to play along to.
@VoteToClose Yes
22:40
Damn.
Do you think it's different enough from the first to count as a different challenge, or is it a subset?
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Q: Fibonacci's numbers ... not those!

Yimin RongLeonardo da Pisano a.k.a Fibonacci was instrumental in bringing the Hindu-Arabic numeral system into Europe. Before that, mathematicians there worked in base sixty with Roman numerals. For example, the square root of two might be approximated as: one and twenty-four parts of sixty and fifty-one ...

I mean, there's no Γ(x) involved.
I define a side of the integral.
I do not oppose, I think there are many interesting integrals to make interesting challenges out of=)
PS: These also involve numerical integration: codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/47759/…
22:44
@Geobits six inch screen enough? or should I wait for my Nexus 9 to be repaired?
Well cu guys. Gonna eat some snow.
(damn son, I almost forgot to insert the word "screen" there)
Seeya @flawr!
Bye, Flawr!
22:45
...follow where the huskeys go, but never eat the yellow snow...
@MartinBüttner shakes head slowly
> We're all very mature in here
like I said...
remove nexus to make it worse ._.
22:47
or put it in quotes.
@MartinBüttner I can do it on my 5.3", but it depends on how good you are with your fingers :)
@MartinBüttner ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@Geobits ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@VoteToClose Do you by chance happen to be using windows?
22:48
No, VTC uses Mac
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ No, that's the grapher utility that comes with mac.
@VoteToClose I haven't played with Genymotion. How well does it simulate multi-touch?
Huh. Mac is now objectively worse than windows.
(not ninja'd, greater explanation)
@Geobits Poorly.
22:49
@AlexA. Italics didn't do much but make it looks like you're leaning o.o
@AlexA. Wow, that came out worse than intended >_>
I'm just realizing this. :C
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ flags as offensive
2
reloads shotgun
I'm tired, sorry :(
@VoteToClose You can kill multitouch in the settings (under filters), but I'll be the first to admit that the settings aren't exactly user-friendly.
22:51
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Windows has a graphing utility builtin?
@VoteToClose No
Windows has utility builtin?
@VoteToClose I was referring to the loading dialogue :P
22:52
Credit where credit's due, grapher is pretty sweet.
it doesn't matter, google has one
@Maltysen Eh, it's offline.
@VoteToClose That was one of the things that first got me excited about my girlfriend's Mac back when I was a filthy Windows users.
@Geobits oh, I don't have any music on my phone yet
@AlexA. I knoooow. We just used it for slope fields in Calculus the other day.
22:54
@MartinBüttner Yea, that's gonna put a damper on things. Step one for update: add some public domain default music.
@AlexA. I admit, that's pretty cool, but, not enough to redeem the abomination that is mac.
yo
the best game I've played that was based on my own music was Beat Hazard
(I need to play the latest DLC)
22:55
Last pic.
@Quill .o/
@Geobits i didn't download it, but does it work with google play music? Cuz that's where I keep all my music
I honestly.... don't know. I haven't touched it since before Play Music was a thing. It uses the system's music picker, so it might pick that up.
@Geobits you got some nice constructive reviews there :)
> dumb shouldnt exist
Gotta love the internet :D
@Maltysen is wikigaming, too
23:00
0
Q: Interesting Question that is Incomplete

LiamThis question about Rubik's Revenge is interesting and I'm working on a solution to it. There are some problems however: First, it cannot be scored without test cases. Points for efficiency are calculated as follows (integer division): 500 / (number of moves) Where "number of moves" mus...

@Lynn hah I won ;P
I click very fast, but I have no idea what I'm doing, ever.
Chat mini-challenge: how many characters are in an input string?
q,
oh
. (Retina)
:3
@MartinBüttner Explain?
23:03
although that Retina solution assumes that there are no linefeeds in the input
. matches any single character. that's a match stage, so it counts the number of matches.
but . doesn't match linefeeds. so if you wanna handle those its three bytes: s`.
ummm... not sure what .NET is doing there (or what encoding I'm using to read input, to be honest)
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Probably just an edge case
might be a problem with .NET defaulting to UTF-16. I assume that uses surrogates in UTF-16? that might be the problem then
@MartinBüttner Nice Retina–gs2 polyglot.
23:06
heh, probably with totally different semantics?
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ 05AB1E: g
Also GolfScript is just ,
Where can I test? ^^
Downloading the interpreter
There is no online interpreter :(
Which is where...? ^^
23:08
Oh
Yeah, input is a string on the stack, and . takes the length.
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ github.com/Adriandmen/05AB1E
@Adnan Ask dennis to put it on TIO?
:3
Labyrinth (why do I need 3 no-ops for that o.O):
""
",#!@
oh, but this one assumes that there are no null bytes in the input
other wise:
""
",#!@
""
(yay, even more no-ops -_-)
nooooops
23:09
I need to learn labyrinth so I can understand what you're talking about ^^"
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I'll probably first need to implement safe mode then
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ please do :)
def flatten(l, a=[]):
    for e in l:
        if isinstance(e, list):
            a = flatten(e, a)
        else:
            a += [e]
    return a
@MartinBüttner That's your language, right?
23:10
yes
\o/
My favorite aspect of this site is the programming languages made by users
^ This is very true
This should flatten a list of lists of arbitrary and irregular depth, but calling it more than once gives me the previous result plus the new result. Help?
I should really get to work on implementing my next one... it's been maturing as an idea for months, but I should probably stop procrastinating and just start working on the interpreter. :/
23:11
Don't do def f(a=[]):
@Sherlock9 It's the default argument you're giving it
It’s a common Python pitfall
@MartinBüttner Tell me about it? :D
^ What she said
23:12
Crap on a stick (not an imperative)
@Sherlock9 brb, going to go crap on a stick as you instructed me to do
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I'll tell you that it's called Trema and involves triangles.
ಠ_ಠ
@MartinBüttner :D :D I literally cannot wait. that sounds so cool
23:13
Trema reminds me: I want to see an esolang that uses combining diacritics in creative ways.
@Lynn I can make one.
X3
One where, say, f̈ is map f.
what does Trema have to do with combining diacritics?
Zalgolang
Err, I did that one wrong, didn’t I?
23:13
@MartinBüttner A trema is an accent iirc
The diaeresis (/daɪˈɛrᵻsᵻs/, dy-ERR-ə-səs; plural: diaereses), also spelled diæresis or dieresis and also known as the trema or the umlaut, is a diacritical mark that consists of two dots ( ¨ ) placed over a letter, usually a vowel. When that letter is an i or a j, the diacritic replaces the tittle: ï. The diaeresis and the umlaut are diacritics marking two distinct phonological phenomena. The diaeresis represents the phenomenon also known as diaeresis or hiatus in which a vowel letter is not pronounced as part of a digraph or diphthong. The umlaut (/ˈʊmlaʊt/ UUM-lowt), in contrast, indicates a...
@AlexA. this needs to happen
Those are called tremas
Trema may refer to: Tréma, a diacritic mark that consists of two dots ( ¨ ) placed over a letter Trema (Croatia) a small village near the capital and largest city of Zagreb Trema (genus), a genus of about 15 species of small evergreen trees Trema discolor, a species of plant endemic to French Polynesia Trema lamarckiana, a species of a plant native to Florida and West India Trema orientalis, a species of flowering tree found in tropical and warm temperate parts of the Old World Trema tomentosa var. viridis, a forest plant of Australia Trema Records, a French record label, now defunct == See... ==
oh right. that's not where I got the name from.
23:14
(In my native language, at least, it’s more common than Diaeresis)
Tr- meaning three?
@MartinBüttner Okay, added to my mental to-do list :D
@Lynn And a lot easier to say
Yeah, jeez
Di erhkgh is eez WHAT EVEN IS THAT SOUND It's like french or something
23:14
@AlexA. only if you promise to make it more interesting than ??? :P
@MartinBüttner ಠ_ಠ
Hahaha
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ nope (quite surprisingly, actually... I like that it seems that way though)
Making esolangs is hard
@Lynn What's your native language?
23:15
@MartinBüttner Hmm...Trema being the genus of a type of (triangular) tree?
i.e. what do they speak in Belgium?
In the Northern half, (Belgian) Dutch.
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Treema
@Lynn Making them isn't hard. Developing them is.
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ uh no, that's also interesting though
23:16
Trema is a genus of about 15 species of evergreen trees closely related to the hackberries (Celtis), occurring in subtropical and tropical regions of southern Asia, northern Australasia, Africa, South and Central America, and parts of North America. They are generally small trees, reaching 10–20 m (33–66 ft) tall. == Taxonomy == Previously included either in the elm family, Ulmaceae, or with Celtis in the Celtidaceae, genetic analysis has shown the Celtidaceae are best placed in the hemp family, Cannabaceae. == Description == The leaves are alternate, simple, 7–15 cm (2.8–5.9 in) long, ...
the definition I'm using is not on that disambiguation page
(Which is where I live, and what I speak natively)
@AlexA. Zalgolang?
23:17
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ nope
@Sherlock9 A forthcoming esolang based on Zalgo text
lol
Belgian Dutch is the American English to Netherlands Dutch’s British English.
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Dam Son, dat analogy tho
23:19
Imagine a silly combining diacritics APL-like where
x c̃ y = y c x
Actually Dam Son grew up to be a theoretical physicist. No shit.
@Lynn I think the idea of using combining marks definitely has potential :)
And is fold with c! And of course you can stack them, like c̃́ 1 2 3 = 3 c 2 c 1.
@AlexA. post-googling Oh, so that's what that kind of text is called
23:21
usfnb bnfsu vtgoc cogtv wuhpd dphuw xviqe eqivx ywjrf frjwy zxksg gskxz aylth htlya bzmui iumzb canvj jvnac dbowk kwobd ecpxl lxpce fdqym myqdf gerzn nzreg hfsao oasfh igtbp pbtgi jhucq qcuhj kivdr rdvik ljwes sewjl mkxft tfxkm nlygu ugyln omzhv vhzmo pnaiw wianp qobjx xjboq rpcky ykcpr sqdlz zldqs trema amert
Nothing ._.
@Sherlock9 はい、そうです
@Lynn clearly number literals should be some base-encoded zalgo madness ;)
Haha
I sort of like the idea of it actually being somewhat readable...
@MartinBüttner @Lynn Just have one number, and let some accent be "head"/"increment" :P
23:22
and I also like the idea of mathematical operators with diacritics on 'em
Does that even work:
Oh, nope ;-;
@Lynn and thus the diacritic esolang wars began...
0 1 2 3 4 = o ô ô̂ ô̂̂ ô̂̂̂
OMG, it's beautiful.
That is so funny. I’m implementing this.
@RikerW That's the one
@AlexA. Okay, I though so. He looks sorta the same.
@Lynn Challenge: print 42. "(language name), 44 bytes"
Well, you would do ô̂̂̂̂̂ times ô̂̂̂̂̂̂ of course.
@MartinBüttner Wars?
23:27
@Lynn please use phinary so that you need combining marks both below and above to represent integers
ô̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂ = 42
I didn’t even consider the below ones
o̬̬̬ is –3 I guess
Well if you're going more for "looks nice" than "zalgo" maybe that's not such a great idea
@Dennis huh. It worked on my computer through node. I will make my own implementation of repeat, I guess. (sorry for the late reply I had to go to class)
@Dennis Please pull MATL whenever you can
23:52
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ But that's what it transpiles to
var y=new Pen("draw");try{var X=eval(prompt("X = "));}catch(e){var X=42;}y.goto(150,75);
y.origin();
map(function(H,S,n){
	y.polar(sqrt(H),mul(H,(function(J){
		return Math["\x176"]	})()));
y.text(".");
}
,unaryRange(X));
bug?
or am I just dumb
silly node. why do you make them different colors? :/
@Cyoce I get undefined
@quartata What's with zX?
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ range input right?
23:58
Yeah, but it does nothing.
It should be mapping over range input.
I just set up my external vnc and ssh on my RPi. \o/
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I do, sort of
@quartata Where's the map character?
but what the hell is with null? Bright white bold?
23:59
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ There's a capital mu in there
yG@–@KyoΜDyOUH*Hm°yT'.}zX
There's an unprintable between the at signs
0
Q: Find the coastline

CarpetPythonYour task is to find the length of the coastline of a map of islands provided in an ASCII map. The input map will consist of 1 or more # characters that indicate land, and spaces which indicate water. The coastline is considered to be any edge between land and water, including inland lakes and is...

ohhh
The array comes before the function.

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