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I want the .baloney tld
Proof that firefox sucks: ^
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ ^
More...
@RikerW Correction: it's customers are idiots.
That is literally the worst argument you can make.
(Figurative Literalism)
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ customers? it's free & open source
^
^^^VVV^^^
02:03
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I'm not sure if that's figurative. It literally might be the worst argument
@Quill "Consumers".
I don't honestly give a damn.
triggered
also yeah, most of the standard colour set are tlds
You guys are still using Firefox? Pssh, IE is the best.
Interesting. I just got an invitation to a closed audition for Wheel of Fortune o_o
02:16
o_______o
@Geobits Congrats!
It's just an audition, but thanks :)
I'm thoroughly confident that Sajak will owe me fistfuls of dollar bills very soon.
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Too bad they seem to have a dress code. I'd wear my SO tee on the show if given a chance.
02:33
\o/
Wear it discretely in your (overcoat?)
Anyone know how to add 2 numbers together in Retina???
I usually let my retinas transmit the images to my brain. It's easier that way.
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Now he has retinas that might take the implant better.
I assume retina fibonacci might help?
You should be in chat more Geobits :D
02:44
@Geobits But that's in unary...
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ More than what? I've got a bit over 20k messages in here ;)
@Geobits o_o
I guess we're never on at the same time
See - this is why I'm scared.
I haven't been on much at all in the last couple months.
I "only" have 16.2k messages here. :P
02:45
@ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ I'm honestly not sure how else numbers work in Retina. It scares me.
@Geobits True...
03:09
It is once again quiet in the room...
The atmosphere is eery, as if something is bound to happen...
apparently i also have 20k messages
Life status = flushed down toliet
My mom and I have had a couple conversations recently about how I went from being somewhere between introvert and extrovert to being almost full introvert. I mentioned that I'm much more social online, and showed her last week that I have over 20k messages in this room.
@quartata It doesn't sound that bad until you realize you achieved it in only four months :P
yeah...
So "social online"... is that an intervert?
If there's not a (good) word for it yet, I nominate that one.
03:23
phew only 5.5k messages here
I believe "basement dweller" is the term 4chan prefers
"the X 4chan prefers" isn't a ringing endorsement.
If anyone is wondering, this explains how SethBling's BASIC interpreter works
Beats "the X tumblr prefers"
03:38
aaaaaaaaaaaaa
when given an odd number of arguments my reduce adds a 0 as well
If it is the Alt world, what happens when you press F4? O.O — XandarTheZenon 7 hours ago
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

DoᴡɴɢᴏᴀᴛFinish the equations Given a block of text, find all the equations, and finish solving them Examples Foo 1 + 2 bar Foo 1 + 2 = 3 bar 2 + 3 + 4 2 + 3 = 5 + 4 = 9 Abc123 3 - 2 / 5 Abc123 3 - 2 = 1 / 5 = 0.2 -3.4+ 2 -3.4+ 2 -3.234 + 0.322 -3.234 + 0.322 = -2.912 Specification You need to ...

I want to write a challenge based on a book, but even the title would contain major book spoilers. :(
What's the title? ;)
You can tell me; I've read the book already.
TIL Geobits has read every book
03:53
Well, not every book. I'm giving myself good odds on this one, though.
Books? Were books those things where swiping rearranges parts of the device?
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> ninja'd by Doorknob♦ 5 secs ago
@Doorknob If it's like "Dorothy goes back to Kansas" I wouldn't worry to much
No, I think they also had little button batteries
She goes back? Great, I guess I don't need to read that now.
@Calvin'sHobbies It's not about such a popular story, and it's about a certain thing that's left as a subject of lots of suspense throughout the first half of the book
03:56
What book is it? You can say that without spoiling anything, I'd think.
dammit calvin stop posting spoilers
The book is Contact by Carl Sagan
Oh. Then I was right :D
His last name is funny X3
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Q: "Higher than 30% of stick A" mean?

user49349I am learning English. I and my friends argue and confuse about about a thing: Let's assume I have a guide to cut 2 sticks Stick A should has 100cm of length. Stick B sholud has length higher than 30% of stick A. So if we calculate, 30% of stick A is 30cm. Is it: Stick A: 100cm, stick B = S...

03:57
@Geobits Have you actually read that, or are you Alexing? :P
@quartata Then read another OZ book. I'll only say that a sawhorse comes to life
(Alexing is a synonym for trolling/etc.)
I've read it. It's a pretty common book on most classic scifi lists.
Seen the movie, too, but that's...
@NewMainPosts that is the first time I've ever seen us confused for English Language Learners SE
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03:59
I suppose I could do the challenge without mentioning the book, but that would make it less interesting
Hmm. I guess I'm not sure exactly what the challenge is, but yea, that'd be pretty spoilery.
Then again, the word "spoiler" itself probably shouldn't be used for a 30 year old book.
As in, input would be like this and the output would be something like this
@Geobits Fair point :P
Everyone who ever wanted to read that back has either already read, is too lazy to read it and will never do so, or are too old/dead.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Or too young ;)
There's that, too :P
04:05
Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and write the challenge without relating it to the book, but I'll stick a non-spoilerish reference in the front like "if you've read this book, this may seem familiar" or something :P
ok
Can't wait for it, already read the spoiler texts :P
It would probably be better if just all the statements were true, so with 2A2=4 you would be able to figure out that A is either + or *, and with 3A0=3 you would know that A is + or -, but combining them you would be able to figure it out"
haha sorry
please edit that to a | or something, it just looks wrong ^^
04:10
Chat should get real spoiler markup.
@Doorknob Alternatively, you could stop worrying about spoilering a book that has been discussed on a gazillion internet sites. :P
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A: Find the Factorial

CyoceDetour, 17 bytes <?\$;p>R*. \ 0/ This is non-competing, as I just finished the language today. There's no good way to explain it, the website will give a visualization of the data flow at runtime.

04:12
Spoiler markup would never be abused in here. No way.
@Dennis Fair enough. :P Edited that previous message
@Cyoce please make a sane data visualization that is smaller preferably, or at least able to slow down
I cannot follow
If a spoiler takes all enjoyment out of a book it was probably a shitty book anyway.
@Geobits Why do you say that? The users of PPCG are well known for their ability to not abuse loopholes and other site features.
04:14
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ you can adjust it via console
detour.interval = 10000 to make it really slow
I'm not opening up my console every time I want to see a Detour answer o_o
It's a work in progress
Spoilers are the reason I never watched Titanic.
Should I have a speed slider?
04:15
@Doorknob you're missing code-bold-italic
@Dennis That was the one about the seals whose iceberg habitat was destroyed by a rogue ship, right?
@ThomasKwa oh sorry, better? :P
@Doorknob Yes. Good job getting the other seven combinations, though.
@Geobits I think. After somebody told me the ship sunk at the end, I stopped caring.
thanks @ThomasKwa for catching my mistake :P
04:17
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ np :)
@Doorknob ok seriously stop abusing markdown
oh I forgot strikethrough
@Dennis You must not watch many action movies. Spoiler: the good guy wins.
I feel responsible for correcting everyone's mistakes in TI-BASIC.
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04:18
@ThomasKwa XD I feel bad for making them. Wasting that much of my life on that thing, you'd think that you'd stop making as much mistakes :P
@Geobits I lost all interest in history class after someone told me the blatant spoiler that George Washington dies.
History class is nothing but spoilers.
@Geobits Nobody watches action films for the plot. One day, they'll realize that and make a film that shows only the explosions.
No, History class is analyzing WHY the things are spoilers in the first place, along with memorizing some random dates that are not important.
04:20
@Dennis I've seen some where I'm pretty sure they tried to do that, but ended up pasting a plot in afterward.
Hm, making a good action movie appears to be harder than I thoguht.
@MartinBüttner When does voting start? (Or has it already?)
I just tricked the bloody system
#thuglife
04:31
Dang it, I just realized something... Assuming that we do graduate, I won't have nearly as many privileges that I do now...
@GamrCorps Trade you 10k rep for your soul
Uh... no thanks...
@Doᴡɴɢᴏᴀᴛ I didn't know there was a TeaScript 3! :D
Ok, after looking through it some more, it seems like that I am at the point for all of the "convenience" privileges. Yay!
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ added byte count and interval slider. Now working on permalink
04:36
Yay!
I'm going to do a non-competing answer for the following question in as many new languages as I can.
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Q: The versatile integer printer

Stewie GriffinWrite a piece of code that is executable in at least three different languages. The code must output the integer 1 in language number one, 2 in language number two, 3 in language number three etc. Rules: The output must be only the integer, but trailing newlines are OK. The code can't take in...

Please ping me if you want me to try and include yours.
Do we really have no primality testing challenge for Mersenne numbers?
@Dennis I am writing a challenge right now about finding the Nth prime, but I saw one earlier where a sub challenge is that
@Dennis Why would that warrant a separate challenge from other primality testing?
Its that challenge from above.
04:49
@feersum Because there are efficient primality tests for special cases like this one. For Mersenne numbers, there's the Lucas-Lehmer test. With a ban on built-ins and/or a time limit, it's a completely different challenge.
These things don't go that well with PPCG due to the need for probabilistic tests
It would be a pain to establish and verify standards for certainty that a number is prime.
Since generally it would be golfier/faster to cut corners and do less tests
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

GamrCorpsHelp GIMPS find Mersenne primes! There has recently been a discovery of a new prime number: 2^74207281-1. This is the biggest prime number to date and broke the previous 3-year record holder by over 4 million digits! Your job will be to help GIMPS (Great Internet Mersenne Prime Search) find som...

@feersum Lucas-Lehmer is not a probabilistic test.
Really?
Yes. 2^p - 1 is prime if and only if p is prime and 2^p - 1 | s_{p-2}, where s_N is a recursive sequence.
04:57
??? I don't get it
Well, not any recursive sequence. s_0 = 4 and s_{n+1} = s_n^2 - 2.
(Not to be confused with Lucas pseudoprimes, which are something else entirely.)
@GamrCorps There are only 11 Mersenne primes that fit in a signed 32-bit integer, and less than 32 Mersenne numbers. With your restriction to the language's native integer type, I don't think it makes sense as fastest code.
@GamrCorps Also, this is somehow unrelated to your challenge, but GIMPS isn't about finding the nth Mersenne prime. It is currently unknown how many Mersenne primes are smaller than 2 ^ 74207281 - 1.
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ now added permalinks
05:18
@Dennis: do we have a challenge about finding the maximum number of times a laser can bounce between two mirrors which are angled to each other?
We only have 9 questions that involve lasers. Not sure if one of those is similar to what you have in mind. For starters, how would you represent those mirrors?
length of mirrors (same length), distance from the line where their planes would intersect, and angle between their planes
(although, really, the actual distances are irrelevant. I could just give the ratio of the two distances.)
The closest thing I could find was this challenge, which gives the laser origin as input.
05:34
i feel like there should be a fairly simple formula if you draw out the phantom mirrors to get a half-circle of mirrors placed radially
I'm getting that with two mirrors of length L, at distance D from the intersection point, and angle x, the number of reflections is floor(2/x*arccos(D/(D+L)))
@xnor fairly simple, but still complex enough to require some work. seems like a good early math challenge to me
what type of challenge could it be though?
the formula is short and it's clear how to write it
and it takes little running time to evaluate
maybe drawing the reflections would be interesting?
Puzzles that are only math aren't a very good fit for the site.
05:53
I just did the same thing to platypar that I did to detour. Hopefully platypar will be more consistent across browsers too
LOL
...why do I see "keyboardfire" there?
That's the @Doorknob website! D'OOOOOoooooOooooh!
Why it's the one reported for "@#$"? I should report to ***** policy that that site isn't guilty!
sometimes it's based on the host
if the host has too many nsfw client domains, some filters can block any domain hosted by that host
06:21
@quintopia Jelly will win since it has two-byte arccos and implicit input. Seriously also has one-byte arccos but not implicit imput, and it needs to save D, costing a byte. APL's arccos is 3 bytes long. Pyth's arccos is 3 bytes, but it doesn't have implicit input either. TI-BASIC has one-byte arccos but input will cost 5 bytes in addition to accessing the variables, so it's not winning.
There are 69 sites hosted on the same server as @Doorknob's website.
Maybe one of these is guilty.
Minkolang has arccos too! ....three bytes...
Roughly 8 bytes in Jelly.
@Dennis you do have a symbol for arccos, don't you?
Arccos is ÆẠ (2 bytes).
06:37
So it costs 3 bytes for both input via the command line and arccos. ³Æ A with a dot below it
 
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07:48
@Calvin'sHobbies it hasn't yet. I've been a bit busy. Maybe I'll get the posts up over the weekend.
 
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Q: Why do door knobs still exist?

Mladen JablanovićAs far as I know, in US, grip-and-turn style door knobs are still the most popular, as opposed to lever-style handles, which dominate in the rest of the world. Is there some UX advantage to door knobs that I am not aware of, which is the reason for keeping them around? Edit: To clarify the dif...

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11:59
any math whiz here know how to implement the last comment at mathoverflow.net/questions/228791/… ?
even in mathematica :)
Look! I found a list that shows that we were naughty!
It's composed by @SmokeDetector, a bot in the Tavern of Meta that reacts to certain filters. When it finds a naughty post, it posts it in chat so that the admins of Stack Exchange can wipe it. Or not.
@zyabin101 Smokey is in CHQ, SOCVR, and I think AU chat as well. And the "admins" of Stack Exchange have absolutely nothing to do with it.
@Doorknob Name these sites fully, please.
@zyabin101 The chatrooms? Charcoal HQ, SO Close Vote Review, and Ask Ubuntu's chatroom.
@Doorknob Yes, the chatrooms. Danke schon.
@Lembik No.
12:16
@Lembik What do you want to calculate that for?
I'm not entirely sure how to phrase this, so please bear with me. I have a modified Julian Day Number function that says day 0 is January 7, 1970 (it's the first new moon of 1970, and this is for the moon phase challenge)
I want the calendar to calculate moon phases to start about twelve hours before the new moon on January 7, 1970 which would 0835 UTC. Currently it starts at midnight UTC on that day, 30900 seconds off, give or take. Do I add or subtract 30900 from my code to make it right?
Welp, I was right about it being hard to phrase
How does one add seconds to code?
Ah well you've probably solved it by now using the rubber duck method.
Nope
I mean, I'm calculating seconds since 0000 7 January 1970
I want to calculate from 0835 7 January 1970
Ah wait. There's the rubber duck. Subtract. Thanks all
You're welcome :P
12:37
@Quill And why does every american doors jam in one way or the other? Are americans unable to make doors that just fit exactly how they are supposed to fit? And why do they still used the crappiest door locks available?
@Sherlock9 Link?
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Q: Calculate the Lunar Phase

insertusernamehereIntroduction tl;dr In this challenge you have to calculate the moon's phase for a given date. This challenge is inspired by the game psycho social audiovisual experiment "Superbrothers: Sword & Sworcery EP". In S:S&S EP the moon's phases are important to the outcome of the adventure as some ...

Excerpt from: The list of things that bothered me in the USA.
@Lembik There is a way but it results in n matrix-vector multiplications. Which is not efficient.
And you really might think that number theory and efficiency are opposites=)
I think you're way better off with using complex numbers.
@flawr I don't know. I'm not the resident door knob
@Quill @Doorknob is the resident door knob. He would know all. Just ask the same questions to him.
12:49
For some reason, I'm imagining @Doorknob as the all knowing computer from Hitchhikers
Perhaps he is, who knows!
it would make sense if Dennis was the computer...
because no one can outgolf him
@Quill Edit: because only the best golfers can outgolf him. I know that someone has once outgolfed Dennis, but exact data I don't know.
Does anyone know what the current name of @BetaDecay aka @BadCatEye is?
@flawr I don't know. He is not in the room, nor in the pingroll.
The pingroll is my term for the boxes that appear when you enter a @ in chat and shows users starting with that name. How they are called?
12:56
Idk, but I know what you mean. I just do not remember what name he used last =(
@PeterTaylor @CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ @Dennis fixed: meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/8159/36670
@flawr The crappy locks are to make it easy for the FBI to come look around if they need information.
@flawr We're also required to lock our luggage with locks for which the skeleton key patterns have been published.
At least I'm finally able to understand why the guys in the movies can kick doors open.
@trichoplax Why can't we ping him in the chat anymore? =(
But thansk!
PS: Does anyone know a quick method for rotating the a center of a rubik's cube?
@flawr He has left 9 days ago.
All the centers?
13:26
@flawr You can only ping people who have been in chat recently. I don't know exactly how recently.
@flawr middle row turn clockwise. Middle column turn clockwise. Middle row turn counterclockwise. Middle column turn counterclockwise. You can change either the row or the column to go counterclockwise to clockwise.
Just experiment with the different combinations to get exactly what you want.
@GamrCorps Please, readable format.
@GamrCorps But then you get the polka dot, dont you?
Oh you mean rotating the whole "skeleton"
I mean rotating only one square (e.g. the white) that is in the center of the white face.
Because I bought a white egg shaped rubiks cube and was able to solve it, but one of those center parts is in the wrong orientation=)
13:43
@flawr Oh I see. Yeah I have no clue in that case.
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Q: Apples are getting down

Washington GuedesIntroduction There is an Apple tree trunk positioned at -2 to 2, where some apples get down around: | | | | <-------|---|-------> -2 2 Everyday, some n apples get down. Each apple has its x-axis and takes its direction to the ground. But if there is already anoth...

@flawr :(
@feersum sorry I missed your comment. Were you asking why one would want to compute a determinant using integer math only?
@Lembik Why are you so interested in those determinants?=)
@flawr I am interested in things I don't know how to do :)
and this is today's topic
in general circulant and toeplitz matrices are fascinating
as there are so few of them but they often seem to have the properties of general random matrices
@Lembik I do not know much abou those. Except that you can write the DFT quite easily with them=)
13:54
@flawr true!
although i realised I didn't understand the DFT recently
having thought I understood it perfectly before
What made you doubt?
Or what problem did you encounter?
ok so.. I have two understandings of fourier transforms (FT). On the one hand the FT simply evaluates a polynomial and n roots of unity. This gives a point value representation. The inverse Fourier transform then lets us go from n evaluations at roots of unit back to the coefficients of a polynomial
One the other hand, when you apply the Fourier transform to an audio signal you get a representation in terms of the sum of sine and cosines
@Lembik I mean why are you interested in computing determinants of these particular matrices.
what has one hand go to do with the other?
Oh, I think you should look into the complex representation!
Everything gets much easier there=)
13:57
@feersum which particular ones? You mean circulant ones? If so, partly because you can do it faster!
@flawr go on...
Sines and cosines are all just trigonometric polynomials
@feersum also partial (that is non-square) circulant matrices turn out to a mystery to math so that is also interesting
Let me see I once found a great link
@Lembik Those don't have determinants though
@flawr ok but in concrete terms. when I get an audio signal am I thinking of it as being the point value representation of some n-degree poly
@feersum true. That was just another thing that interests me
@feersum but you can think about det(MM^T) which is also interesting
14:00
This is a great one:
What kind of background in math do you have?
@flawr hmm.let's say one year of college
That doesn't really help me, as I'm not really familiar with that education system=)
:)
slightly more than high school?
Doesn't help either^^
You know some linear algebra, do you?
what would help?! :)
14:03
Complex analysis?
@flawr very basic lin alg yes
@flawr err.. I know what a root of unity is but not that much more :)
Ok, but you certainly know how to multiply/take to the power / add complex numbers then!
yes
that much I can do
don't ask me to do any complex integrals though!
So multiplying with a root of unity is nothing else than a rotation
yes I know that
14:04
@Lembik Works exactly the same as real ones. You just split it up in the real and imaginary part, integrate, and put them back together=)
@flawr I was thinking line/contour integrals
but I can't even remember what a pole is :)
Not much more difficult either.
Pole = evil, do not go too close^^
pole = happens when you divide by zero
But I really recommend reading this one
Especially the colourful formula
how come you are using archive.org?
and thanks for the link
14:07
Real website doesn't exist anymore =(
oh!
But I need to go now, enjoy the DFT=)
thanks!
Can talk about that later=)
ok :)
14:10
Just keep in mind: The FT transforms a signal (doesn't have to be real, it can be complex) into its frequencies (complex too) and vice versa. The IFT is basically the same as FT (apart from some constants).
So if you evaluate the FT at a certain point, you get the amplitude of that frequency
thanks but I just need to understand why that is the same as evaluating a polynomial at roots of unity :)
roots of unity = rotating stuff=)
amplitude = length of complex number, phase shift = argument of complex number
I'm out now=)
14:25
> To find the energy at a particular frequency spin your signal around a circle at that frequency and :average a bunch of points along that path:.
14:38
199
Q: Fourier transform for dummies

user218A vague question of Kevin Lin which didn't quite fit at Mathoverflow: So ... what is the Fourier transform? What does it do? Why is it useful (both in math and in engineering, physics, etc)? (Answers at any level of sophistication are welcome.)

I learned just enough about FTs to do basic frequency detection for a game I was working on. Math for math's sake? No thanks. Applied math? Sure :D
This guy at my office keeps putting together these workshops on Scrum, and I can't help but think "Wow, how are you guys who keep doing all of these workshops so far behind my team, who never attends any of your workshops?"
Umm, because you're working instead of workshopping? ;)
This weeks topic is "How do we integrate testers in the development process?" and they didn't even invite the testers.
It's kinda like holding a weekly two-hour meeting on time management.
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14:51
Obviously if it was possible to talk to testers, that meeting would not be necessary.
Meanwhile, three months ago our team built a strong case for moving the test team into the pit with the developers
@Geobits I might do that, and spend the two hours trying to convince people they shouldn't be there
We argued that if we didn't have to walk across the hall to have a face to face conversation, we would get more work done
@flawr Yo dawg, I heard you like circles, so we put circles on your circles on your circles on ...
14:54
@Geobits Workshipping=)
What kind of field do you work in?
@Geobits Applied math, for maths sake?
Me? Right now I'm doing crappy business-work for job/task scheduling and management.
Getting people off of clipboards and onto tablets, mainly.
Oh great=)
Nothing interesting at all, really. Hence my fondness for PPCG :)
I see! So what kind of education did you get regarding math/cs?
Nothing formal past high school. I get most of my learnings from the webs.
If I want to do something in code and lack the knowledge for it, I just look it up :)

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