The Nineteenth Byte

> This is not 100% automated; CMs will still be manually checking on how individual communities are doing, and some sites might still graduate "earlier" or "later" than their question activity alone would suggest; but it's an effective rule of thumb.

Alex A.

@MartinBüttner o shit where u find dis

Martin Büttner

where do you think? :P meta.stackexchange.com/q/257614/201409

quartata

Like I said:

20 hours ago, by quartata

Maybe we're just not a good fit for the network or something. We're excellent in all categories except for questions which we are Ok in. Sites have graduated with worse (far worse) stats

Martin Büttner

9:28 PM

We're not a good fit for the software.

quartata

We make it work though.

Martin Büttner

I said this before, but I hope we won't graduate before they actually make some changes to the software specifically for this community. And I don't think that's gonna happen any time soon.

quartata

don't say that too loud or we definitely won't graduate :P

Alex A.

s/any time soon/ever/

flawr

Why does this thing fail to upload images that are from imgur itself???

Martin Büttner

9:30 PM

But I'd rather remain in perpetual beta like this than graduate with a completely standard SE instance that doesn't really fit what we're doing here.

Out of all the sites on the network, PPCG is probably the only one where the word "beta" actually makes sense.

quartata

Beta implies that SE is working with us towards graduation

I don't feel that at all

flawr

quartata

lol wat

Alex A.

@MartinBüttner I disagree in some aspects. The beta label makes sense when a site first enters public beta because things are still in flux. For communities who mostly have things figured out and have been around for many years, the beta label doesn't really make sense (IMO).

(That said, I don't think PPCG has everything figured out, but I think we've made it work thus far within the confines of the current framework)

quartata

His point is that beta = they haven't made the software yet to make PPCG work

But beta also implies that said software is being worked on

Alex A.

9:34 PM

But the software doesn't really change much between sites.

quartata

It should for this is his point

Alex A.

I know

quartata

Hence the word "beta" making sense

Doorknob

@zyabin101 my answer what?

quartata

I agree and I think that's why we're never graduating

SE just doesn't care that much

Alex A.

9:35 PM

I understand his point, I just disagree that "beta" makes sense as a label for this community.

quartata

At the same time it cares enough not to let us graduate "incomplete"

Alex A.

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A: Graduation, site closure, and a clearer outlook on the health of SE sites

I think this is a good start. More clarity = happier users, nearly universally. However, I think that more feedback would be very helpful, particularly on sites that have been around for years and are still in beta. Parenting is my example of this, but I'm sure there are other similar sites: s...

I agree with this a lot

quartata

It's a double-edged sword, but the handle is lined with poison spikes

flawr

@quartata I think they just do not want to make different software versions for each individual SE.

quartata

Right

But

1 min ago, by quartata

At the same time it cares enough not to let us graduate "incomplete"

Alex A.

9:38 PM

The thing is though, "complete" doesn't make sense here. We're complete in the sense of working within the current framework, but the current framework isn't ideal for us, which I suppose you could say makes us "incomplete."

Doorknob

@AlexA. IIRC we were promised another "update" meta post... oh, about a year or so ago, but it never happened -_-

Alex A.

:/

quartata

@AlexA. That's my point. SE knows we're not a good fit for the framework but won't change the framework for us

Which is OK

However they also won't graduate us with the bad fit framework

Alex A.

I don't know that they know we aren't a good fit for the framework. I get the feeling they don't pay all that much attention to us. :P

quartata

You're wrong. If they didn't pay attention to us they would have graduated us without thinking it through

flawr

9:39 PM

> "Ew theyre still there. We still cannot close it without anyone noticing...."

quartata

:P

Alex A.

@quartata They wouldn't though, because we don't have the necessary stats.

quartata

We do, in a sense.

We were at 8.5 Qs/day a while back

Alex A.

We don't have the requisite questions per day

quartata

Sites have graduated at 8.5 (I think)

We're perfect in everything else too

Alex A.

9:40 PM

@quartata [citation-needed]

quartata

fine jeez

brb searching A51

Doorknob

@quartata The requirement is 10

flawr

@Doorknob What base?=)

Alex A.

...10

flawr

What base??

Doorknob

9:42 PM

Rephrasal: The requirement for being considered for graduation is 10

flawr

=P

Ampora

Are there any other graduated sites whose main purposes is not asking questions and receiving assistance? As I mentioned in my we-should-make-upvotes-plus-10 answer, we don't ask questions because we need help; we ask questions because we want to challenge those answering them. Could that possibly be a reason (SE wants the "important" parts of it to be assistance-based)?

Doorknob

Why do people upvote answers that don't even pass >50% of the test cases? (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

flawr

@Ampora puzzling.se

Doorknob

@Ampora first question: no. Second question: no, if PPCG as an idea were a bad one it wouldn't have existed in the first place.

@flawr Puzzling is not graduated

Dennis

9:43 PM

@Doorknob ¯\_(ಠ_ಠ)_/¯

flawr

Oh right, sorry.

Didn't read the "graduated"

quartata

Yeah Puzzling is for sure not graduating. Sorry @Doorknob :P

They're like us but even less answers.

They're probably a good fit for perpetual beta though.

We, however, really are not the best fit for perpetual beta (as I see it)

Doorknob

Actually I remember reading from a CM a while back that Puzzling was semi-close to graduating

quartata

Wait, WHAT?

GIVE ME NAMES

dammit

Alex A.

@Doorknob ∏o∏

flawr

9:48 PM

@quartata Jack John Anita Dorothea Charlie

enough?

quartata

Ye sure

Alex A.

Those are some names

quartata

Anyways that more or less confirms my hypothesis

flawr

*hypothesis

quartata

If Puzzling has worse stats than us and yet has been publicly confirmed to be close to graduation....

Then it's not stats.

It's "framework."

@flawr Nitpick

We're in the very srs field of "graduation science" clearly

Alex A.

9:50 PM

A CM contacted us in the code trolling days saying that we were on track to graduate but he got a ton of backlash from the community saying how terrible code trolling was. That may have given SE the impression that we don't want to graduate.

quartata

*she

Alex A.

Grace Note is a dude

quartata

What?

Oh...

Maltysen

@AlexA. really?

Alex A.

Grace Note is just his username.

quartata

9:52 PM

I honestly thought Grace Note was his real name

flawr

Grace note

A grace note is a kind of music notation used to denote several kinds of musical ornaments, usually printed smaller to indicate that it is melodically and harmonically nonessential. When occurring by itself, a single grace note normally indicates the intention of either an appoggiatura or an acciaccatura. When they occur in groups, grace notes can be interpreted to indicate any of several different classes of ornamentation, depending on interpretation. == Notation == In notation a grace note is distinguished from a regular note by print size. A grace note is indicated by printing a note that is...

Doorknob

> The invention of a new puzzle type, and perhaps continued innovation in that department, helps a lot.

(on code trolling)

quartata

I've seen stranger names

Dennis

@Maltysen Positive.

flawr

You know, Alexa too isn't a girl IRL.

Alex A.

9:53 PM

ಠ_ಠ There are no users named Alexa here.