The Nineteenth Byte

SuperJedi224

1:01 PM

This panel has 86 points somehow

Beats out my second highest scoring panel by nearly a factor of three

wizzwizz4

I am not familiar with DrawCeption. What is it?

SuperJedi224

It's a drawing game of sorts

Kind of like Pictionary Telephone

orlp

@quartata THIS IS MY JAM

@quartata RATCHET N CLANK ON AGDQ

wizzwizz4

Who wants to play cards? I've got a full pack!

A♥ A♦ A♣ A♠
2♥ 2♦ 2♣ 2♠
3♥ 3♦ 3♣ 3♠
4♥ 4♦ 4♣ 4♠
5♥ 5♦ 5♣ 5♠
6♥ 6♦ 6♣ 6♠
7♥ 7♦ 7♣ 7♠
8♥ 8♦ 8♣ 8♠
9♥ 9♦ 9♣ 9♠
J♥ J♦ J♣ J♠
Q♥ Q♦ Q♣ Q♠
K♥ K♦ K♣ K♠

wizzwizz4

1:21 PM

Come on! Everybody likes cards!

Anyone?

Sherlock9

What game, @wizzwizz4?

Start with that

wizzwizz4

The ASCII-CP437 card game.

Sherlock9

Never heard of it

wizzwizz4

You basically just muck around with writing small code, and give it the above input.

Do you know anybody who needs a ~~website~~ pack of cards?

Martin Büttner

@Ampora @FryAmTheEggman @isaacg @ThomasKwa You have all offered bounties for categories that didn't make the top 7. Would you be willing to put in some or all of that rep for categories that did make it instead?

Sp3000

1:27 PM

'AA,2>"JQK"]s"♥♦♣♠"m*4/Sf*N* <-- like that?

Note: Your deck has no tens

SuperJedi224

^

wizzwizz4

@Sp3000 Oops.

Martin Büttner

@Calvin'sHobbies Would you be willing to write a challenge for one of the challenge category winners? (Less is More or Labour of Love)

wizzwizz4

 A♥  A♦  A♣  A♠
 2♥  2♦  2♣  2♠
 3♥  3♦  3♣  3♠
 4♥  4♦  4♣  4♠
 5♥  5♦  5♣  5♠
 6♥  6♦  6♣  6♠
 7♥  7♦  7♣  7♠
 8♥  8♦  8♣  8♠
 9♥  9♦  9♣  9♠
10♥ 10♦ 10♣ 10♠
 J♥  J♦  J♣  J♠
 Q♥  Q♦  Q♣  Q♠
 K♥  K♦  K♣  K♠

Martin Büttner

also @Sp3000 would you consider shifting your 500 rep bounty from Labour of Love to one of the answer categories?

@Sherlock9 That would've been Zgarb, but it turned out their first challenge was posted in November 2014. :/

Sp3000

1:41 PM

@MartinBüttner Hmm I'll think about it - tbh Labour of Love is still the category I'm most interested in :P

Martin Büttner

alternatively, we can come up with a better way to reward challenge authors :P

wizzwizz4

Perhaps giving them ♦s. ;D

Sherlock9

I'd like to think that one of these years, I'll get an award, but I think I'm still too middle-of-the-pack as a golfer. Ah well, puzzles are their own reward often enough.

wizzwizz4

Badges?

Sp3000

@MartinBüttner :P that'd be good - I'd write a challenge, but a challenge from a subpar writer like me would be weird for something that's meant to reward a hardworking category :P

flawr

1:44 PM

@wizzwizz4 I want!

Tell me how it works=)

El'endia Starman

I feel like I'm going to be of little use when the actual voting rolls around, because I'm likely to upvote almost every single nomination... :P

3

There's so much good stuff.

orlp

@El'endiaStarman of what?

wizzwizz4

@flawr Erm... Write some code to play Wist. When it's golfed down as much as possible and has at least a 97% success rate, come back and show it to us. Then claim a world record.

El'endia Starman

@orlp These.

orlp

I am the best of 2015 in the 'No nominations' category

flawr

1:48 PM

@wizzwizz4 Is "Wist" supposed to be the name of the game?

Sp3000

I believe it's Whist

flawr

Oh, there are way more results, thanks.

> Whist is a classic English trick-taking card game which was widely played in the 18th and 19th centuries.[1][2] Although the rules are extremely simple, there is enormous scope for scientific play.[3]

wizzwizz4

@flawr Simple rules, see! Maybe you can write a challenge.

Sp3000

Man, I was going to nominate something from unusable language, but it's hard to fit in one of the categories

Ditto with a few of the polyglot challenges

flawr

@wizzwizz4 I'm not sure whether I get all the rules, but the basics seem similar to jassen

wizzwizz4

1:53 PM

@flawr You know, that cards thing was a bit of a joke to try to get people back on chat...

Sp3000

German Whist is a rare good 2 player, for a quick timekiller [/sidenote]

flawr

@wizzwizz4 I thought so=P

Martin Büttner

@orlp You've got as many votes as anyone else in that category, I've gotta give you that.

orlp

@MartinBüttner Yeah, I'm in the tied #1 spot.

flawr

@wizzwizz4 Ok, now I understand: Whist + Some complicated rules - cards below 6 = Jassen

Or alternatively: Whist + Some complicated rules 6 = Jassen + cards below 6

Martin Büttner

1:55 PM

> The game is most likely of British origin.

I was just gonna say, that doesn't sound familiar...

Sp3000

shrugs makes as much sense as Chinese checkers, unfortunately

orlp

@MartinBüttner can I nominate myself?

Martin Büttner

yes

orlp

IMO the GOLF CPU questions belong in "Labour of Love"

oops wrong clipboard

Martin Büttner

nominate the first GOLF challenge for it?

orlp

1:59 PM

I'd rather wait to see if someone else nominates it though

or at least, I'd like to not write the description myself

trichoplax

Is there some way we could do an ordering-style vote for the Best of 2015? Like the way elections get a vote for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place. El'endia Starman's starred comment makes me wonder about this.

Martin Büttner

seems hard to implement with what SE gives us

Nathan Merrill

oh, there should be a "monumental project"

flawr

Base-jumping barnacle goose - Life Story: Episode 1 Preview - BBC One

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^ Watch till the end.

Nathan Merrill

not a question/answer, but a project a member worked on that took a huge effort

(members)

such as GOLF CPU, Marbelous

actually, wasn't Marbelous last year?

orlp

2:06 PM

@NathanMerrill there is

Martin Büttner

@NathanMerrill I think that was 2014

orlp

"Labour of Love"

Nathan Merrill

Labor of Love is for challenges

orlp

well, the GOLF CPU is for challenges

not sure about marbelous

flawr

:26713691 "Best hexagonal grid based language from 2015"

Nathan Merrill

2:09 PM

lol\

HexaJava

Javagony?

orlp

@MartinBüttner is a generalized version of xorting finding a hash function h(x) such that for any pair of indices i, j in array A with i <= j, h(A[i]) <= h(A[j])?

flawr

@NathanMerrill Javagonx is not based on a hexagonal grid=)

But it is object oriented.

what?

@orlp yes

it exists?

2:10 PM

It does.

orlp

@MartinBüttner well, then an O(1) solution is trivial

@MartinBüttner h(x) = 1

hurr

New Main Posts

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Q: Alignment on Triangular Grids

Hexagonal grids have been become a fairly popular twist for challenges about 2-dimensional data recently. However, it seems that the equally interesting triangular grids have been largely neglected so far. I'd like to rectify that with a rather simple challenge. First, how do we represent a tria...

Jexagony

Jinxagony.

J

2:12 PM

@flawr github.com/m-lohmann/BeeswaxEsolang.jl

Nathan Merrill

oooh, esolang idea

each time you use an operator, it changes

Martin Büttner

@orlp oh right, I guess the condition is h(A[i]) < h(A[j]) unless A[i] == A[j]

orlp

@MartinBüttner yeah, I spotted it right after I messaged you

Nathan Merrill

meaning, if a means add, then you would have to do something like 1a4b5c10

orlp

@MartinBüttner but I'll pretend it was all planned and you fell into my pedantic trap

Nathan Merrill

2:13 PM

which would mean 1+4+5+20

Martin Büttner

@NewMainPosts @feersum looking forward to a Snails answer ;)

flawr

"Best language of 2015 named after a mollusca"

Sherlock9

@NathanMerrill You'd run into operator overload problems unless all of the operators changed when you used one

Nathan Merrill

@Sherlock9 right. If you run into multiple operators on a single symbol, the one least recently used will be the one called

wizzwizz4

Has anybody here seen a Shakespeare play?

Nathan Merrill

2:19 PM

which is why its an esolang

Martin Büttner

@wizzwizz4 yes

Sherlock9

@wizzwizz4 Nope. I don't think I've even read through a full Shakespeare play

Martin Büttner

(The Tempest with Ralph Fiennes as Prospero, which was pretty impressive)

New Main Posts

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Q: Split a Shakespeare Script

Mr. William Shakespeare wrote plays. A lot of plays. I have found a tarball containing every single one of his works. However, each one of his plays is one long file inside it, and I need it split into Scenes for a stage production. Actors are impatient, so your code needs to be as short as possi...

code-golf

wizzwizz4

@Sherlock9 Have you read the full Shakespeare specification?

SuperJedi224

2:20 PM

@wizzwizz4 Yes.

Sherlock9

@wizzwizz4 The esolang? No. Interesting challenge you have there, though

wizzwizz4

It would be interesting if somebody answered it in Shakespeare!

Martin Büttner

@wizzwizz4 Can SPL access the file system?

wizzwizz4

@MartinBüttner Thanks for the edit! I was trying to find another tag to fit the challenge.

No. :-(

Maybe I should allow a deliminator between files if it is output via STDOUT, as I have allowed two different input methods.

El'endia Starman

@MartinBüttner Maybe you could post n! comments that people vote on...

Martin Büttner

2:25 PM

@El'endiaStarman That sounds like a very feasible idea.

wizzwizz4

n! is less than n^n...

flawr

But not much=)

Sp3000

@El'endiaStarman You can get it down to 3n with comments along the lines of "upvote this comment if you wish to vote answer A as 2nd". Ensuring people are honest with votes, on the other hand...

SuperJedi224

n! is greater than and comparable to (n/e)^n*sqrt(2*n*pi)

wizzwizz4

@Sp3000 Or you could clutter the Meta site with a question for each category, and an answer for each submission. They'll all have a particular tag so that they can be cleaned up afterwards.

@NewMainPosts Who likes the Shakespeare Programming Language and wants 500 rep?

undergroundmonorail

2:37 PM

guess who's birthday is today

@undergroundmonorail this guy

wizzwizz4

Congratulations!

flawr

@undergroundmonorail How many candles?

undergroundmonorail

@flawr i'm 20 years old but in reality probably only one candle

flawr

@undergroundmonorail Base 20.

Congrats=)

undergroundmonorail

thanks dawg :)

flawr

2:38 PM

Anything you're now allowed to do / obliged to do?

Dennis

@quintopia I'll see what I can do.

flawr

@undergroundmonorail Alternatively, mod 19.

undergroundmonorail

@flawr 20's not really a big year for that

i've been able to drink since 19 because canada

flawr

@undergroundmonorail Depends on where you are.

Ok canada=)

undergroundmonorail

now i just need to find alcohol i can stand the taste of

@flawr yeah, i just meant here :P

flawr

2:41 PM

@undergroundmonorail Amaretto!

Nice for baking (baking as in baking sweet stuff), and taking a sip while baking every now and then=)

SuperJedi224

I just finished reading this:

dagonbytes.com/thelibrary/lovecraft/mountainsofmaddness.htm

flawr

Thank god I have a mouse with a free spinning scrolling wheel.

Martin Büttner

@SuperJedi224 I have that on my shelf, but I didn't get around to reading it yet.

Penguin classics published all of his works in three small paperbacks with pretty good annotations. I read the first of those (which didn't have MoM in it), but haven't read the other two yet.

SuperJedi224

Goodbye for now, I guess

undergroundmonorail

@undergroundmonorail test

wizzwizz4

2:53 PM

@undergroundmonorail Do you want to make a long chain of recursive posts?

undergroundmonorail

@wizzwizz4 I'm just testing a userscript I wrote because it's not working for someone else... I'm not sure why, it works fine for me.

wizzwizz4

@undergroundmonorail Are they using Chrome?

Because Chrome is often broken.

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Heavy Integer Crunching code-golf Your job is to make a program that allows to add,substract and multiply integers of arbitrary size. Details The two integers as well as the operation are given a string. The output should also consist of a string. Both input and ouptut should be formatted as...

wizzwizz4

Perfect timing @NewSandboxedPosts!

undergroundmonorail

@wizzwizz4 No idea.

It works for me in Chromium, though.

wizzwizz4

2:58 PM

Have you heard that Google recently made Chromium download and install a closed-source precompiled binary?

undergroundmonorail

I heard something like that a little while ago

I mostly just use Chromium out of habit, not any f/oss idealism or anything :P

flawr

No idealism? How dare you!

undergroundmonorail

I'm very much a fan of f/oss idealism it just doesn't really affect me :P

wizzwizz4

@flawr It is his birthday... Let him off, just this once.

What have you been reading recently?

flawr

The Screaming Staircase by Johnathan Stroud (same guy who's written the Bartimaeus trilogy)

orlp

3:02 PM

Martin Büttner

orlp

@MartinBüttner hold on

let me measure that for you

RikerW

@MartinBüttner WTF????

Martin Büttner

that's an Aphex Twin cover

RikerW

I come in here, and I am assaulted by creepy faces?

wizzwizz4

3:09 PM

@RikerW Maybe a challenge will take your mind off it.

2

Q: Split a Shakespeare Script

Mr. William Shakespeare wrote plays. A lot of plays. In this tarball containing every single one of his works, each one of his plays is one long file. It needs to be split into Scenes for a stage production. Because actors are impatient, your code needs to be as short as possible. Task: Your ta...

code-golf

orlp

don't you love these considerate ads that stay small unless you're interested in them and hover over them?

wizzwizz4

@orlp I might write a script that will make sure you can never click on the cross. And it also renders another cross image over the clickable cross, and just changes your cursor when you hover over it, but it moves out of the way soon enough for you not to notice that it is unclickable. That way, I could make a lot of money.

Then again, everybody would hate me.

And it's very not-nice.

orlp

@wizzwizz4 did you also make this?

Ampora

Did anyone see the Computerphile video about Code Golf?

RikerW

Yes.

@Calvin'sHobbies posted in here.

Ampora

3:16 PM

ninjad

RikerW

Wait, link again? don't onebox it though

Ampora

Code Golf & the Bitshift Variations - Computerphile

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wizzwizz4

@orlp Even ~~@grc~~ Black Hat isn't that evil!

RikerW

Calvin says he commented but I can't find his comment ...

Ampora

I think I saw Downgoat comment on it

wizzwizz4

3:19 PM

@Ampora -1 for Downgoat!

RikerW

Saw Downgoat, just replied to him.

Who is siriusthegreyhound?

Ampora

A greyhound named Sirius?

RikerW

Thank you Captain Obvious.

Ampora

Glad to help

RikerW

His google+ is also empty, along with his youtube...

Ampora

3:22 PM

I wouldn't expect a greyhound to be particularly good at having a presence on Google or YouTube

RikerW

Thank you, Captain ~~Picard~~ ~~Obvious~~ Unhelpful.

Sup @Adnan?

Sup @NinjaBearMonkey?

Sup @RikerW?

Sup @RikerW

Sup @RikerW

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Q: Split a Shakespeare Script

Mr. William Shakespeare wrote plays. A lot of plays. In this tarball containing every single one of his works, each one of his plays is one long file. It needs to be split into Scenes for a stage production. Because actors are impatient, your code needs to be as short as possible. Task: Your ta...

code-golf

PhiNotPi

3:30 PM

I've added some formatting specifications to my perplex numbers challenge: meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/7996/2867

SuperJedi224

Hello again

Martin Büttner

@PhiNotPi is this going to be code golf?

PhiNotPi

@MartinBüttner I figured.

wizzwizz4

For some bizarre reason, nobody is answering questions much today.

Martin Büttner

@PhiNotPi so did I, but it doesn't say anywhere :P

PhiNotPi

3:37 PM

Now I noticed I never mentioned that anywhere.

Martin Büttner

@wizzwizz4 that bizarre reason is called weekend.

2

PhiNotPi

Unless there some other possible winning criteria.

Martin Büttner

nah golf is good

PhiNotPi

I'm probably going to post it now...

wizzwizz4

@PhiNotPi Good idea.

New Main Posts

3:51 PM

0

Q: Add and multiply perplexing numbers

The split-complex numbers, also known as "perplex numbers" are similar to the complex numbers. Instead of i^2 = -1, however, we have j^2 = 1; j != +/-1. Each number takes the form of z = x + j*y. In one attempt to limit the complexity of this challenge, I will use the symbol - to represent neg...

code-golf arithmetic complex-numbers

RikerW

Thank you @NewMainPosts.

wizzwizz4

Everybody flock to give this question the upvotes it had in the sandbox!

RikerW

So I look at my pings, and see the 3 "sups" and then below I see TanMath saying "Who is he?"

wizzwizz4

Do you want to have a go at my question?

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Q: Split a Shakespeare Script

Mr. William Shakespeare wrote plays. A lot of plays. In this tarball containing every single one of his works, each one of his plays is one long file. It needs to be split into Scenes for a stage production. Because actors are impatient, your code needs to be as short as possible. Task: Your ta...

code-golf

trichoplax

Quick question about someone's sandbox post I'm looking at: Would you rather a golf where you just have to generate the truth table entries, or where you also have to format the Boolean expression in the heading to add spaces?

wizzwizz4

3:57 PM

@trichoplax The spaces requirement does hold off Mathematica a little, I suppose...

trichoplax

You mean it excludes using a built in?

wizzwizz4

@trichoplax No, but it stops the built-in being the only thing required.

RikerW

^

wizzwizz4

That is, assuming Mathematica has a built-in for everything, which it does.

trichoplax

Yes - I worded that poorly - it excludes using only a built in

RikerW

3:58 PM

^^

@JAtkin Come hither...

Dennis

I really wish one-step built-ins still were a standard loophole...

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wizzwizz4

@Dennis +1 for sanity.

quartata

@Dennis Wow Bing really does suck. "kek" means "cake" in Turkish.

bro do you even translate

Dennis

Did you ever doubt that?

quartata

No, not really.

I wonder if Bing just doesn't have support for Turkish

Or if it's just confused

wizzwizz4

4:03 PM

@quartata It has support for Klingon...

Nathan Merrill

@trichoplax I'd prefer the spacing requirement be removed and builtins be disallowed

quartata

Nope, it has support for Turkish.

Wow.

@wizzwizz4 Yeah but it's terrible

wizzwizz4

@quartata But there aren't any natives to complain about it!

Dennis

translate tr: kek

(from Indonesian) KEK

???

translate tur: kek

OK, so it did recognize the language, but overrode it anyway.

Dammit, Bingeling.

FryAmTheEggman

@MartinBüttner Yeah I'll give my bounty for some other category

wizzwizz4

4:06 PM

Translate: bin
(from German): am

flawr

@Dennis What do you mean by one-step builtins?

Martin Büttner

@FryAmTheEggman cool, I'll get back to you when I sort out the rewards

flawr

Translate: am
(from German): at

Dennis

@flawr Built-ins that solve the challenge in one step. For example, IsPrime for a primality testing challenge.

flawr

Why don't we add that to the loopholes then?

J Atkin

4:09 PM

@RikerW I am hither.

flawr

Answers using one-step-built-ins are usually, apart from showing off language specific features, not very interesting.

SuperJedi224

I don't think they should be forbidden by default.

flawr

Why not?

Dennis

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A: Loopholes that are forbidden by default

Using built-in functions to do the work Mathematica is a big one for this, with Fibonacci[n] to calculate the n'th Fibonacci number.... I have no objection to these being posted as a side note within the main answer though - that is interesting and helps me learn different languages capabilitie...

flawr

J Atkin

4:10 PM

Wow, that has some serious voteing

trichoplax

@NathanMerrill I'm not sure if excluding built ins was the motivation for formating the heading - you'd have to ask @JAtkin

RikerW

@flawr 54/54 now...

wizzwizz4

Translate: bin fast pasta am see Golf floss programmer flop
(autodetect German): am almost pasta Lakeside Golf programmer flop flowed

RikerW

-19

A: Loopholes that are forbidden by default

Compressing your source code Some language provide builtin facilities to compress data and execute the result as source code. I consider this to be a standard loophole, especially when the challenge is counted in characters instead of bytes.

That one is +6/-25

flawr

Not the other way around?

RikerW

4:13 PM

Sorry, fixed.

flawr

Way better.

J Atkin

@NathanMerrill Didn't see your post. The use of builtins is not why I am thinking about adding a rule about formatting the heading, I just thought it would be an interesting challange to add to it...

flawr

Or worse, whatever.

J Atkin

4:26 PM

@trichoplax Does that explane my ordering rule?

Nathan Merrill

@JAtkin I'm not a fan of dual challenges. Right now, you are combining the challenge of truth tables to the challenge of table formatting

I'd just drop the formatting, make the header a single character (O? for output)

and disallow builtins :P

flawr

disallow code

J Atkin

Hmm... Sounds good, thanks for the help!

trichoplax

@JAtkin It does, but it is quite an involved explanation. It is equivalent to saying "reverse alphabetical order" or "reverse lexicographic order" so if you wanted to make it really clear you could say one of those plus your break down of the meaning.

Dennis

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A: 9 Deaths of the Ninja

Jelly, 30 bytes »0o³+ ;1ŀ\<1S_9Nµ×³>0“dead”×¬? Try it online!

status-completed I'll add an explanation after trying to shorten the final conditional.

Nathan Merrill

4:32 PM

is there a good table challenge?

you pass in a 2d array, and it pretty prints it?/

J Atkin

Not quite (unless I misunderstand "reverse alphabetical order"), each col to the right is split in half then sorted

RikerW

Jelly will definitely the new golfing Lang catagory award. :p

Martin Büttner

@Dennis haha, beats Pyth ... "this has to be golfable"

Nathan Merrill

for those of you who have played mafia:

what happens if the town splits its votes 50/50?

RikerW

Nothing.

You just don't lynch that day/night.

@NathanMerrill ^

Nathan Merrill

4:36 PM

I'm looking for other people's input

:P

I've seen that result

as well as random

and kill them all

(though the latter was more of a joke)

I've also seen mods allow revoting for the people tied

RikerW

I have actually done that version. :p

The death one mean.

El'endia Starman

@wizzwizz4 This same thing is on this chat page three times.

That's a bit much.

RikerW

^

wizzwizz4

@El'endiaStarman Two times.

El'endia Starman

@wizzwizz4 Would've been four had you not deleted an earlier one as well.

RikerW

4:41 PM

You forgot the @NewMainPosts one.

wizzwizz4

@RikerW That's not on this chat page.

It's on the previous chat page.

SuperJedi224

"The Space-Time Continuum" - Epic Rock Piano Music

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RikerW

True, but still. Give a bit before you plug it again.

wizzwizz4

@RikerW Yeah. I'm just used to getting a couple more than 42 views within 2 hours of posting.

Although, I suppose 2 hours is a short length of time, especially on a weekend.

Martin Büttner

@SuperJedi224 When I read "Epic Rock Piano Music" I was expecting something like youtube.com/watch?v=MQbgnKyyQBA

(it's good though)

Nathan Merrill

4:49 PM

@El'endiaStarman I imagine debates are a problem on christianity.SE ?

Dennis

@MartinBüttner Well, it was. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

J Atkin

@NathanMerrill, @trichoplax Look good?

El'endia Starman

@NathanMerrill There are no debates on the main site. We cracked down on those early on. In a few chat rooms, we do have debates, but they're usually civil.

Nathan Merrill

what do you do if you have a highly controversial topic posted?

is it expected that the answerer post all points of view?

El'endia Starman

Those are generally "Too broad", but we do allow overview questions.

All the controversial stuff has already been asked though.

trichoplax

4:52 PM

@JAtkin Looks clear to me

Nathan Merrill

sure

wizzwizz4

@NathanMerrill Make it CW. Once people are starting to think about it as opposed to just Down ~~goat~~ -voting, delete the question and then repost it as not CW. That way, you get all the lovely rep from the upvotes.

El'endia Starman

@wizzwizz4 That won't get past the multiple active reviewers we have... :P

wizzwizz4

@El'endiaStarman And obviously I need to work on my sense of humour, because that was meant to be a joke.

El'endia Starman

I didn't really think you were being totally serious, but wanted to point out that it wouldn't work anyway. :P

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