The Nineteenth Byte

El'endia Starman

22:00

o.o

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman o_OOOO

Dennis

@ThomasKwa meta.stackexchange.com/a/43020/170332

> Note if a user comments on their own post and there is only one person who has previously commented, then that person is also notified if @name is not included.

quartata

Holy smokes are we really going to increase the reputation gained from questions?

Doorknob

maybe

FlagAsSpam

/me celebrates.

quartata

22:10

If that happens, I'll have 5k rep.

FlagAsSpam

Maybe is better than no. :P

ಠ_ಠ I'll be the shorty again.

quartata

Actually, make that 6k.

I'll gain 1820 rep from it.

Doorknob

Did you account for the rep cap?

Alex A.

^

quartata

@Doorknob Oh.

Well that's just not fair.

Hmph.

Doorknob

22:10

haha

FlagAsSpam

Any up votes you got on a Mortarboard don't count. :P

Alex A.

It's tricky to figure in though because the reputation counts as if it was awarded on the day the vote was received.

quartata

@AlexA. Oh.

Doorknob

Ugh, I'm having trouble narrowing down my choices for which org to work with in GCI.

quartata

I thought that would mean I could only get 200.

Alex A.

22:11

No

Doorknob

^

quartata

So that means I'll still get a lot more, but not that much.

Hm.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

They should increase mortarboard then

quartata

Lemme do some math here.

Doorknob

I know there's a SEDE query for it

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

22:11

And give us all free rep

Doorknob

but I haven't found it yet

quartata

Really?

Hm.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

BTW @quartata I am a mortorboard and a fifth ahead of you in rep :D

quartata

Anyways, I do think that's a good idea. Aside from ~~needing the rep to fund our SE addicitions~~ us challenge authors work really hard on our challenges.

FlagAsSpam

I'll only get 415 rep from this if it happens, and 10% of that will go to mortarboard.

quartata

22:13

Imagine how much rep Calvin's going to get.

FlagAsSpam

This has been discussed. ~~We figure~~ Doorknob figures 29.8k with no cap.

quartata

That makes him 3rd in rep overall.

Doorknob

1 hour ago, by Doorknob

in The Twentieth Byte, 10 mins ago, by Doorknob

Calvin would gain 29775

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

> Wait. If everyone is Alex, why isn't everyone posting in Julia? :P

Alex A.

We have much bigger problems. For example, this is similar to corn bread yet is called a soup.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

22:14

I love that on your profile @quartata

quartata

@Doorknob SO THE TWENTIETH BYTE DOES EXIST

FlagAsSpam

So, safe assumption of 15k since Calvin hits the cap a lot for questions?

quartata

HA!

Alex A.

> Okay, now I don’t want to alarm anybody in this room, but it’s just come to my attention that the person to your right is a sock of Alex. Also, the person to your left is a sock of Alex. Also the person sitting in your very seat is a sock of Alex. We’re all Alex.
>
> Wait. If everyone is Alex, why isn't everyone posting in Julia? :P

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ It's stolen from Zizouz, basically.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

22:15

@quartata Oh well :P

Alex A.

@quartata Why. ಠ_ಠ

quartata

Okay, now I don’t want to alarm anybody in this room, but it’s just come to my attention that the person to your right is a liar. Also, the person to your left is a liar. Also the person sitting in your very seats is a liar. We’re all liars.

Wait. If everyone is a liar, how do you know that what I said above is the truth? :P

FlagAsSpam

quartata

His version.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@FlagAsSpam That was so weird :P

quartata

22:16

@AlexA. Because you know the joke had to be made.

Alex A.

@quartata I don't recall ever knowing that...

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ It's from Star Trek.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata I know!!

I'm a Star Trek fan.

FlagAsSpam

@quartata REALLY? :O Never saw that one coming.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Star Trek >>> Star wars

FlagAsSpam

22:17

v This is a lie. c:

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Nah.

quartata

I mean I suppose it's technically from NG which is only arguably Star Trek

@AlexA. Oh shush

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@FlagAsSpam Yeah

FlagAsSpam

/me spawns message.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

strawpoll.me/6207043

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Man, that was the easiest poll I've ever done.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

22:19

@quartata XD

Alex A.

Remember that time Captain Kirk said to Darth Vader, "To infinity and beyond"? That was great.

3

Doorknob

ಠ_ಠ

quartata

@AlexA. pretends to know something about Star Trek

FlagAsSpam

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

:D

Doorknob

22:20

5-1...

Alex A.

+1 for Trek. I used to dislike it but later saw the light.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Doorknob =4

quartata

Nevermind.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AlexA. +S starred if I could

quartata

Looks like I was just imagining that 6th vote.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

22:21

@quartata lol

look again o_O

Dennis

@AlexA. alex-is-right

FlagAsSpam

quartata

I wonder just how much rep will change because of this.

Matter of a fact, we should get everyone to post how much rep they got from this

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@FlagAsSpam ಠ_ಠ

Doorknob

> got

quartata

22:22

@Doorknob Right.... because it is happening, right?

PLEASE

Alex A.

Even if support in our community is unanimous, there's no guarantee it will happen.

Doorknob

13 mins ago, by Doorknob

maybe

quartata

Oh all right.

FlagAsSpam

Alex A.

We would need to talk to the community managers and all that stuff.

quartata

22:23

Just remember: every second you don't do this, a Calvin-kitty dies.

Think of the Calvin-kitties.

FlagAsSpam

D:

Think of the domesticated tigers!

quartata

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata ;-;

quartata

Yes feed us your tears

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata T_T

Alex A.

22:24

@FlagAsSpam No I think it was Gandhi that said that.

quartata

@AlexA. Nah dawg, it was King Edward III

Alex A.

Ah shit dude

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata You're all idiots. It was I.

El'endia Starman

Y'all are such blasphemers.

quartata

@El'endiaStarman D:

We're sorry.

El'endia Starman

22:27

Star Wars is objectively better than Star Trek!

Doorknob

@El'endiaStarman I was the other Star Wars vote, for the record :P

(only because I've only ever seen a single Star Trek episode)

quartata

I'm sorry for saying that Gandhi once stacked 29 hot dogs on his head while singing "Waltzing Matilda"

@Doorknob WHAT

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman ಠ_ಠ

El'endia Starman

@Doorknob Woo! [high five] :D

quartata

For the record, they were unsalted hot dogs.

Not sure how that works.

Zgarb

22:28

@Doorknob I'm the third one.

Alex A.

Oh look at that, I was supposed to be at the dentist's office. >_____> brb

quartata

@Zgarb EW

What is wrong with you people.

@AlexA. Brush your teeth first

New Main Posts

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Q: Connect-n time!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connect_Four Does anyone remember the 2 player game connect 4? For those who don't it was a square, 6x7 board that stands vertical on a surface. The goal of connect 4 is to, well connect 4! The connection is counted if it is horizontal, diagonal, or vertical. You pl...

Zgarb

I've only seen one Star Trek movie and zero episodes though.

quartata

@NewMainPosts Nice

Zgarb

22:29

The movie was terrible.

Doorknob

That's 19 questions this UTC day. Sheesh.

quartata

Although it doesn't affect the challenge too much, @JAtkin should be aware that connect 4 itself has been solved. So good bots should be smart enough to at minimum get 4 points

Thomas Kwa

Okay, re the possible rep change, I'll start asking tons of questions

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Doorknob I'll save mine for next day then

Thomas Kwa

@quartata not with 3 plauers

quartata

22:30

I guess the tricky part is should you try for something riskier or stick with the guaranteed 4

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Zgarb ಠ_ಠ

quartata

@ThomasKwa Wait, there's 3 players?

Oh, I didn't read that carefully.

I thought it was just 2.

Thomas Kwa

Yep, and 9x9 board.

quartata

OK.

Dennis

@ThomasKwa That's the general idea. I hope that more rep -> more questions.

Thomas Kwa

22:31

I don't know if anyone can get 4 in a row with 3 players, come to think of it

if two players cooperate to block all of the 3rd player's threats, they can do it easily and still have room to compete for the best squares

quartata

@ThomasKwa Imperfect players could of course

I assume that's not what you mean though.

Thomas Kwa

With decent bots, I expext the score to be 0-0-0 much of the time

Wait, I just realized

Bots can rack up a massive score by working in pairs

say they're players 1 and 2; player 1 can set up a spot for player 2 and player 3 can't do anything about it

quartata

@ThomasKwa If you can submit two bots, the dream team literally would be two bots that always work together if they can (and if they aren't in the same game just do whatever)

But I'm not sure you can actually organize that.

I don't have any experience at all with KoTHs, can you submit two bots?

Thomas Kwa

Yes

quartata

Hm.

That would be interesting

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

22:39

how to declare a boolean in java?

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Seriously?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata is it bool x?

quartata

boolean x

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

damn

I'm not a Java person

Java is... disgusting.

2

ಠิ益ಠิ Stibe OG

@Geobits ;-; sorry

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

22:44

I'd work with someone to make a bot team :D

J Atkin

@quartata I already know, I almost tossed the idea when I found out. geokavel's idea in the sandbox was what saved it.

@ThomasKwa I don't think that can happen - AFAIK no player should know who it's playing against or communicate with each other.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@JAtkin I cannot compiler the controller

Enter file location of file to be compiled!
>>> controller.java
controller.java:13: error: class ConnectNController is public, should be declare
d in a file named ConnectNController.java
public class ConnectNController {
       ^
1 error
Press any key to continue . . .

Thomas Kwa

23:04

The file name needs to be the same as the class name

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

oh

so it needs to be named Controller.java?

oh wait

J Atkin

Lol! That's why I like scala and groovy

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@JAtkin hah. I loathe Java

Booyah

Martin Büttner

Yay, first silver on "What programming languages have been created by PPCG users?" :) ... (Although I personally don't quite understand how Hexagony pulled ahead of all the others, especially Funciton.)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@MartinBüttner Me neither. Funciton is bae

;)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

23:27

@JAtkin In which way?

El'endia Starman

@MartinBüttner Hexagony is marginally more usable. :P

And the name rolls off the tongue better, and is much more....."appealing", in a twisted sense. :P

Martin Büttner

@El'endiaStarman lol, I don't know about that :D

El'endia Starman

Easier to type might be a better way to put it.

J Atkin

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Remove redundant code, reformat code to fit better with standard java style.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@JAtkin ಠ_ಠ something wrong with my self-taught style?!

Jk, do whatever.

J Atkin

23:34

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Done.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@JAtkin Cool! You don't mind if I copy it?

El'endia Starman

Is anyone having a problem with not getting notifications for simple @mentions?

I only get notifications for direct replies.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman

El'endia Starman

Nope. No notification there.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Do me

El'endia Starman

23:36

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

That worked

J Atkin

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I'm not quite sure what you mean.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I think it's just you

@El

@JAtkin Take the Java-style compliant code?

J Atkin

No, I'm not getting them either.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@JAtkin

El'endia Starman

23:37

Humph. I didn't change the sound notification settings either...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I have desktop notifications on

J Atkin

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Sure, that why I posted it.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@JAtkin cool

J Atkin

@NathanMerrill, @GamrCorps Does it make a difference if I ask the OP?

Nathan Merrill

I don't think so

are you talking about the edit?

GamrCorps

23:48

@JAtkin On this SE site, it is always a good practice to suggest code edits in the comments rather than direct edits

Nathan Merrill

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Q: When is it appropriate to edit someone else's code?

Possible Duplicate: How far can I refactor someone else's code? I see a lot of edits in queue where some well-meaning user attempts to fix OP's code. They range from minor syntax corrections, to near total rewrites. When is it appropriate to accept or reject these edits? Here are my ...

discussion edits suggested-edits code

you had some whitespace editing that was fine

but removing the variable isn't ok

Doorknob

That doesn't really apply here. Our policy is "never edit code in someone else's solution."

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ wat

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

ConnectNController.java:480: error: incompatible types: possible lossy conversio
n from long to int
                        int move = Math.round(median+Math.random()-.5);
                                             ^
1 error
Press any key to continue . . .

:(

quartata

Math.round doesn't return ints it returns a long

add (int) in front of it

J Atkin

23:49

Hmm... OK. I see.

quartata

Lossy conversion means that it might lose precision which is why it warns you

Nathan Merrill

@Doorknob good to know. Do we have a meta post for that?

quartata

(since longs can store larger numbers than ints)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata How.. kind of it.

I see.

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ It's not kind, it's strict-typed.

Quote of the day.

Java is elegant, but just like any other strong typed language you have to work with it not against it

2

Let it be strict

Doorknob

23:51

@NathanMerrill Probably. I'm a bit busy right now, though, but it should be fairly easy to find

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Java is to a parent as JavaScript is to a good friend.

quartata

It'll save you time in the end

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ That's ambiguous, parents can be good friends.

ambiguous function call

Nathan Merrill

@Doorknob well, I already searched for one (before I posted the SE), and I couldn't find one

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata Parents are strict :P

GamrCorps

{insert philosophical java quote here}

shoot my bad

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

23:53

Writing bots to make your bot look good is against the rules, right? XD

GamrCorps

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I would say yes, possibly another standard loophole?

quartata

@GamrCorps It's a loophole already

One second

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A: Loopholes that are forbidden by default

Suicidal entries to King-of-the-Hill challenges. EmoWolf was funny the first time, but it's getting out of hand. While some not-too-serious answers are often necessary to kickstart a king-of-the-hill challenge, purely suicidal answers put in little effort and tend to get more upvotes than serio...

Nathan Merrill

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ it depends on the challenge. Some challenges accept bots that work together, others don't

@quartata he isn't talking about suicidal bots

at least, I don't think so

quartata

@NathanMerrill It's more or less the same.

Nathan Merrill

no way.

quartata

23:57

He's saying "make a bot that makes your bot look real good"

That implies that it loses easily to the other bot

See suicidal entries

Nathan Merrill

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ do you mean suicidal, or a bot that helps another one win?

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