The Nineteenth Byte

Thomas Kwa

19:03

ooh, mathworld.wolfram.com/eApproximations.html gives

e~=163^(32/163)

that's a wonderful approximation, because it has a 163

Seadrus

@Maltysen lol i assure you i am my own person

Thomas Kwa

/me squints

Optimizer

^ read that as squirts

and was like wtf is going on?

anOKsquirrel

Wello!

I got OBS to work yayyyyy

SuperJedi224

Also, x^(1/x) is at its highest when x=e

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

19:16

^ e and 1/e are often maxima and minima for a good deal of functions

SuperJedi224

e^(1/e) is also the largest value of x for which x^^a converges as a goes to infinity

Optimizer

is it the e day today?

anOKsquirrel

Oh no@

I haven't installed git or python on my new PV

PC*

SuperJedi224

I never got around to installing git either

Thomas Kwa

@SuperJedi224 Thank you for reminding me of one of my favorite facts

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

19:18

x^^a is tetration?

Thomas Kwa

x↑↑a is Knuth up-arrow for tetration

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I knew that, just wasn't familiar with it's ASCII representation. Thanks :)

Optimizer

3

anOKsquirrel

So you people were talking about CGOL earlier?

Thomas Kwa

Yes

anOKsquirrel

19:21

Noice

CGOL is <3

Optimizer

Precap: Bill is a stick man

aditsu

Bill's keyboard is bigger (sideways!) than his arms.

Thomas Kwa

@anOKsquirrel Have you something to say about it?

anOKsquirrel

uhhhh the wifi is terrible in my room

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

And he has an HD monitor

Optimizer

19:21

20 secs ago, by Optimizer

Precap: Bill is a stick man

aditsu

that's not an excuse

anOKsquirrel

@ThomasKwa not really, other than it's amazing and fun

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Who here actually knows Lojban?

aditsu

I know one word

Optimizer

@aditsu its a fact

Thomas Kwa

19:22

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I know about fifty words

aditsu

@Optimizer it's a trivial and irrelevant fact

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@ThomasKwa cool! That's more than I know.

anOKsquirrel

Q: 7zip or winRAR?

I personally like 7z

SuperJedi224

WinZip

anOKsquirrel

not an answer, silly

Optimizer

19:24

tar

just tar

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

7zip

RookieTEC9

hello

Thomas Kwa

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ you should try learning Ithkuil; it's better*

aditsu

xz (which is derived from 7z, and supported by tar using -J)

anOKsquirrel

@RookieTEC9 Wello

RookieTEC9

19:25

My feelings when using the iMac...

Thomas Kwa

(* but literally no one speaks it, and it's pretty much impossible to pronounce)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@ThomasKwa Ithkuil... thanks, I'll look into it!

RookieTEC9

2

Sorta like this.

anOKsquirrel

apple sucks lol

Optimizer

@anOKsquirrel brotli

SuperJedi224

19:26

@RookieTEC9 'Hoy

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Apple is for people who like to appear professional

RookieTEC9

The only good product they made was the `IphoneMini` (also known as AppleWatch)

(J.K.)

Thomas Kwa

Hmm, Lojban gave me an idea for a challenge

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^ do it.

Anonymous

I'm finally back home, so now I can work on my language implementation... And all motivation is gone

Optimizer

19:27

Megone?

aditsu

I don't often use apple products, but when I do, I wish I didn't

4

Anonymous

No, Seriously

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@ThomasKwa I'm looking at ithkuil. And I'm like... Oumpeá äx’ääļuktëx says thirty words. wtf!?

Thomas Kwa

Gismu formation. Given a list of six words, output the valid gismu that maximizes the score that Lojban gives.

anOKsquirrel

python yu no download faster

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

19:27

@aditsu I only have an iPhone.; That's it.

Anonymous

@anOKsquirrel The issue is you're supposed to already have Python

anOKsquirrel

@Mego Just got a new PC

so no

Thomas Kwa

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ When there's no redundancy, and 60 different phonemes, you can pack a lot of information in.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@ThomasKwa Huh... that's fantastic. It's like an English golfing language.

feersum

Sounds like this esolang is Unusable for verbal communication.

anOKsquirrel

19:29

python faster than git to download?

wat?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

note to self do not listen to rock (e.g. Rise Against) whilst programming, if you want to get anything done.

anOKsquirrel

only 26 seconds left...

nope 1 minute

no, 2 minutes

no, 10 minutes

Calvin's Hobbies

@Mego And you call yourself a motivational penguin

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

no, 4.3 seconds.

anOKsquirrel

no, 1 minute

Thomas Kwa

19:31

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ did I mention three- and four-consonant clusters are very common in Ithkuil?

anOKsquirrel

1.5

aditsu

lojban is a cool idea, but they already lost me with their terrible choice of alphabet; ithkuil (first time I heard of it) seems 1000 times worse

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@ThomasKwa That's appealing! Easier to memorize, eh?

Thomas Kwa

@aditsu how is it terrible?

anOKsquirrel

back to one and a half minutes

30 seconds

Anonymous

19:32

@Calvin'sHobbies I motivate other, not myself :P

Thomas Kwa

Granted, ' is a bit strange, but everything else seems fairly good

Anonymous

@anOKsquirrel ![imgs.xkcd.com/comics/estimation.png]

SuperJedi224

I decided to finally install git. Will relocate stuff there from pastebin as soon as I have it installed and figure out what the heck I'm doing.

anOKsquirrel

@Mego my favorite one :)

Anonymous

Why won't the image appear :(

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

19:33

@Mego top 10 for me

anOKsquirrel

mego stop editing your posts and giving me messages lol

Heyyy it's done!

aditsu

@ThomasKwa they use "c" for a "sh" sound, and punctuation for certain other sounds

Anonymous

Sorry

feersum

With git, you never figure out what the heck you're doing.

5

Anonymous

Trying to make markdown work

Anonymous

19:34

It doesn't like to lol

Anonymous

2

Anonymous

@feersum git gud

2

SuperJedi224

Hey, in some of Joyce's arithmonyms he insists that a triple c is pronounced as "shk"

Optimizer

@feersum I don't understand why people don't understand git and then blame git.

Anonymous

2

Anonymous

19:35

@Optimizer git blame git

feersum

I don't blame git. I see it as a feature.

Optimizer

while they say that svn/cvs/hg is much easier, while all they've used in those three would be just committing and pushing

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Lol wtf's wrong with me. I'm making yet another golfing language. >_<

anOKsquirrel

xkcd.com/1386

Optimizer

8

anOKsquirrel

19:36

Optimizer, stop wasting my stars

Thomas Kwa

@aditsu I don't have a problem with c, but '., are probably not the best choice.

Optimizer

@anOKsquirrel et tu

anOKsquirrel

et tu

wait what?

aditsu

if they wanted a single symbol for "sh", they should have picked the Romanian "ș" :)

Optimizer

@anOKsquirrel you too

Doorknob

19:37

@Calvin'sHobbies no

anOKsquirrel

@Optimizer Yeah, I know.

I didn't mean to press enter

heyyy python and git are done \0/

aditsu

I think Turkish has a similar letter too

Thomas Kwa

@aditsu or esh!

aditsu

huh?

Thomas Kwa

Esh (letter)

Esh (majuscule: Ʃ Unicode U+01A9, minuscule: ʃ Unicode U+0283) is a character used in conjunction with the Latin script. Its lowercase form ʃ is similar to a long s ſ  or an integral sign ∫; in 1928 the Africa Alphabet borrowed the Greek letter Sigma for the uppercase form Ʃ, but more recently the African reference alphabet discontinued it, using the lowercase esh only. The lowercase form was introduced by Isaac Pitman in his 1847 Phonotypic Alphabet to represent the voiceless postalveolar fricative (English sh). It is today used in the International Phonetic Alphabet, as well as in the alphabets...

The IPA symbol for sh

aditsu

19:41

ah, like ʃ? I suppose that works too

Anonymous

Yay, my REPL works

flawr

Is there a good or a bad squirrel too?

Anonymous

Now I just need to implement the hundred or so commands I've defined

Anonymous

While trying not to add more until I get done

flawr

Own language?

Anonymous

19:44

Yep

anOKsquirrel

@flawr nope

Anonymous

@anOKsquirrel Time to test it out!

Anonymous

s/it/them/g

anOKsquirrel

@Mego k fine

but then I have to dowload that, too D:

Anonymous

git clone https://github.com/Mego/Seriously.git

anOKsquirrel

19:49

but why

Anonymous

The entire project is 66.5 KB lol

anOKsquirrel

I have things to do, too :P

Anonymous

If your computer takes too long to download a 66.5 KB git project, it's time to upgrade the hamster

Optimizer

aBusySquirrel

SuperJedi224

I think I got it working

Took a while to register my changes though

:(

Optimizer

19:54

> be happy that it happened, not sad that it took a while

Thomas Kwa

@Mego I think you need a "convert whole stack to list" and "pop list, then push all its elements" function

Anonymous

@ThomasKwa Probably. I think I considered adding those to the list, and then fell asleep.

Anonymous

Thanks for the suggestion

Thomas Kwa

np

SuperJedi224

Currently listening to:

Denny Schneidemesser - The Magic of Rain

►

Anonymous

20:04

@ThomasKwa For the first one, should it flatten lists on the stack or no? Or have a function for both?

Anonymous

Also the second one is i (when a list is on top of the stack)

flawr

I just had an idea for a new challenge, but I am not sure whether we've already covered it.

The problem is that I do not know how to call it

Optimizer

pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CTKQLreU8AAug00.mp4

SuperJedi224

I've relocated two things from pastebin to Github so far

flawr

The idea is: How can you efficiently calculate a^n where n is a given number. Efficiently = least number of multiplications.

a^5 = a*a*a*a*a but you can also calculate a = (a*a)*(a*a)*a where you only really have to calculate one parethesis.

Does anyone remember something like this?

SuperJedi224

20:15

a^8 is ((a*a)*(a*a))*((a*a)*(a*a))

Anonymous

Ask Dennis, he probably knows what that's called in math words

El'endia Starman

@Calvin'sHobbies This is AMAZING.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@flawr This is intrinsically connected to prime factorization and modulo.

El'endia Starman

@flawr Project Euler #100-something.

SuperJedi224

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Yes.

El'endia Starman

20:16

projecteuler.net/problem=122

flawr

Oh noh, someone stole my idea=)

El'endia Starman

9.5 years ago! :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman ahhh

Anonymous

@flawr votes to close as dupe

flawr

0.o I have already completed this challenge

... about 1.5 years ago!

New Main Posts

20:18

0

Q: help in PHP palindrom

Palindromes: Write a function isPalindrome that accepts a string as a parameter and returns true if the string is a palindrome and false otherwise. A string is considered a palindrome if it has the same sequence of letters when reversed (for example, "radar","toot", "mom", "a", ""). Your function...

flawr

How the hell didn't I remember???

Anonymous

Why did someone star the dupe?

El'endia Starman

@flawr Maybe that is the reason that idea came to mind. :P

flawr

No way!

Thomas Kwa

@Mego It's your language.

Anonymous

20:20

@ThomasKwa What?

Anonymous

Oh

Anonymous

Silly auto-reply thing

Anonymous

Was showing it as replying to my dupe star question

Anonymous

I decided to add both... Not like I'm running low on characters :P

El'endia Starman

@Mego You'll run out sooner than you think. :)

Anonymous

20:23

@El'endiaStarman It'll be hard with over 1000 instructions :P

El'endia Starman

Oh, never mind then. :P

(Though, at that point, how do you expect to remember them all?)

flawr

General question: Is it allowed to post project euler questions?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^ I don't think so.

Even if it was, I think that it wouldn't be in the spirt of PE

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman commands.txt

El'endia Starman

@flawr What CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ said.

Anonymous

20:26

Like Conor said, it wouldn't be in the spirit of PE to post the exact question, though you could post a PE-inspired question

flawr

We should probably start thinking about a christmas/new year challenge.

2

El'endia Starman

^^ that too

Anonymous

@flawr Input x, print the line(s) for 12 Days of Christmas for day x

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Funnily enough, a PE-inspired question is on-topic at Puzzle.SE

Anonymous

Dibs on that btw

Anonymous

20:27

If it hasn't already been asked :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^ you can take it.

SuperJedi224

@Mego Or print the full lyrics

Anonymous

11

Q: 12 Days of Christmas Lyrics

I thought this would be a fun challenge for everyone and I'm curious to see the solutions people come up with. Print the "12 Days Of Christmas" lyrics On the first day of Christmas, my true love gave to me, A partridge in a pear tree. On the second day of Christmas, my true love gave to me,...

code-golf kolmogorov-complexity

SuperJedi224

@Mego Oh, okay

Anonymous

Why is the BF answer accepted when it's at least twice as long as the others?

Anonymous

20:29

Though the "print 12 days lyrics for day x" challenge would probably get closed as a dupe of that one, tbh

Anonymous

Hmm

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I'm making a JavaScript extension that allows for the use of #define f(x) adfasf(x). Again, wtf is wrong with me.

Anonymous

why

flawr

>

The bald and not excessively bald and not excessively smart hamster obeyed a terrified and not excessively terrified hamster.

-MatLab

TheDoctor

um

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

20:32

^

TheDoctor

oh right

flawr

That is what you get when you type why in Matlab=)

TheDoctor

why.m

Anonymous

why.py

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

why.mat

lab.why

Anonymous

20:33

why.yhw

Anonymous

why.carrot

TheDoctor

looks for it

flawr

yhwh

yahweh

warum.wiso.weswegen.weshalb

TheDoctor

why.m

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

why.are.we.doing.this.question~Mark

Anonymous

20:35

do.you.ever.wonder.why.we're.here

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

nope.nope

flawr

we.are.never.ever.ever

getting.back.together

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

wtf.ಠ_ಠ

flawr

ಠ.ಠ

TheDoctor

best_file_ever.ಠ_ಠ

Calvin's Hobbies

20:37

@flawr That's Addition-chain exponentiation

Sparr

just had a new idea for codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/35827/…

flawr

@sparr One cell grid?

Sparr

no, a square grid where each row has squares smaller than the previous. exactly half the size for my first implementation, although other ratios could work as well

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

whoa that's cool

flawr

Hm, that reminds me of adaptive grids for numerical stuff.

SuperJedi224

20:39

> Must contain... finitely many... differently shaped prototiles

Sparr

1 is finitely many :p

oh, damn, it does say at least two

Calvin's Hobbies

@Sparr That would be cool, but it breaks the finite number of tiles as jedi said

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

What do you guys think? I think not.

flawr

Hm, but two squares of different size would count as different shapes, don't you think?

Calvin's Hobbies

Yes

Sparr

20:41

this might fall into my previously discussed category of times where I think it's ok to submit an answer that breaks a rule. I'll disclose that first in the description.

this late in the game there's no way it will get a lot of votes

Thomas Kwa

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I'd go with no.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@ThomasKwa Thanks man

Sparr

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[______________]
[______][______]
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[][][][][][][][]

that's the tiling, btw

unclear on whether I'd render it as rectangles or squares. purely an aesthetic choice.

flawr

I think that seems to be interesting

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^

Calvin's Hobbies

20:43

@Sparr Personally I'd be ok with it :) (though I wouldn't be accepting it as the answer if it did get the votes) Just other people may start fussing at you :P

flawr

But I'd make it refine the grid in different dimensions.

Sparr

8 neighbors per cell, just like original life, but the shape of the neighborhood is different. vaguely hyperbolic.

is there a python data structure like an array but that I can specify the behavior when I request an index out of bounds?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I think I'm going to make one too just for fun

Calvin's Hobbies

@Sparr could just work around

Sparr

yeah, I know

Anonymous

20:47

@Sparr try: array[i] \n except: #do stuff

Sparr

gotta run, back later to work on this.

undergroundmonorail

later

SuperJedi224

It has most certainly not been 13 hours since my last contribution. Why the heck is it saying that it has.

flawr

Hm yes, try would be the way to go in python.

El'endia Starman

@SuperJedi224 git?

flawr

20:49

SuperJedi224

@El'endiaStarman Yeah

El'endia Starman

@SuperJedi224 If you're working with a remote repository, perhaps you forgot to push?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Here's my idea:

Anonymous

^

SuperJedi224

@El'endia Starman The online repositories are all up to date.

Anonymous

20:51

I was stuck being unable to work on Seriously for nearly a week because I forgot to push before leaving

Calvin's Hobbies

While you guys are upvoting my old challenges I'd like to advertise Red vs. Blue - Pixel Team Battlebots which is so close to 100! (but no pity upvotes please, only vote if you mean it :P)

99

Q: Red vs. Blue - Pixel Team Battlebots

This contest is officially over. The Blue Team won! I autoran two sets of 50 battles and amazingly, Blue won all 100 of them. Looking at the stats, it is clear that the cooperative entries of PhiNotPi and Sp3000 were the real heroes. Great job you two! In fact, if you disqualify every other memb...

game king-of-the-hill grid javascript

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Calvin'sHobbies +1

I forgot to do it when I was on vote restriction

Calvin's Hobbies

:D

flawr

Let me unvote

Anonymous

@Calvin'sHobbies I swear I upvoted that like a month ago, but apparently not

flawr

20:53

I like 99 way more than 100

=)

Optimizer

@Calvin'sHobbies I remember someone dissing someone on the means of getting gold badge ;)

Calvin's Hobbies

@Optimizer Hey, I'm asking for honest upvotes, seriously!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^ he is

Anonymous

@Calvin'sHobbies No that's my language

Optimizer

I am not complaining, but honest upvotes are never asked ;)

Calvin's Hobbies

20:54

@Optimizer And when was this?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Is this a bad/good idea?

4 mins ago, by Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Optimizer

May 23 at 16:15, by Calvin's Hobbies

@Optimizer tsk tsk. You don't Publicist to accumulate golds

flawr

For what?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

(For Game of Life)

flawr

What exactly does this represent?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

20:56

It represents a titling of a cell

flawr

So this is one cell?

El'endia Starman

I don't see it either.

flawr

Or 5?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

One section; it's five cells

El'endia Starman

ahh, okay

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

20:58

example small board:

flawr

So each corner cell has three circles as neighbours?

Calvin's Hobbies

I see it. But depending on what how infinitesimal you get all tiles have 8 neighbors, no?

undergroundmonorail

unless it's not actually a circle

Optimizer

its a squircle

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