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9:00 PM
come @ me scrublord && i am ripped
 
Dost thou even hoist?
 
hahahah
what
 
#markovchains
 
Do pings work inside inline code formatting, @Doorknob?
 
yes
 
9:02 PM
yes @AlexA.
 
oic
thx bb
 
awww, thanks for calling me cute
 
Anonymous
He meant bb as in bbcode
 
> AppleScript is really a passive-aggressive teenager. o-o
 
he meant oic as in "Optimizer is cute"
 
Anonymous
9:03 PM
The degenerate precursor to markdown
 
Hello
 
Anonymous
Hi jedi
 
Well, I just discovered that I didn't close off the open pit from the building of my sugar cane harvester as completely as I had thought.
 
Anonymous
You ded?
 
Now, the pit wasn't that deep. Only a couple of blocks.
I climbed back out and then finished patching it.
Here's what it looks like from above ground level:
Most of the circuitry is hidden underground.
And the water is hidden directly beneath that row of dirt in the middle.
 
Anonymous
9:11 PM
How does it gather the sugarcane?
 
It breaks the plants for you. You still have to pick the broken sugar cane up yourself.
 
Anonymous
I mean how does it break them?
 
There are pistons underneath the sand blocks.
They're all wired up to the button.
 
Anonymous
Hmm
 
Anonymous
I have an idea that I need to test now
 
9:13 PM
Then you replant it?
 
That's very inefficient. You can just have piston push the top sugarcane blocks off without replanting.
And use hoppers to collect it automatically
 
Yes, but then the redstone would be less compact, and harder to hide underground.
...why do I have 3 wooden hoes...
 
I believe there's a separate chatroom for Minecraft discussion.
 
all those carrots and now is when Peter makes a point about off-topic conversations ? :P
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Anonymous
9:20 PM
This room is general discussion, so everything is on-topic. Plus, the other room is specifically for the PPCG server.
 
@Mego I wouldn't say that everything is on-topic. Per the SE guidelines, the chatrooms are supposed to be at least vaguely related to their parent sites.
 
And they are.
By the way, has anyone ever submitted a redstone circuit as an answer to a code golf task?
 
Here not so much. :P
 
Any idea how it would be scored?
 
Can they check primality?
 
9:22 PM
@SuperJedi224 Blocks, probably.
 
I know you can add numbers.
 
@AlexA. Someone built an ALU. Yes.
 
Whoa
 
I've simulated rule 110 in minecraft so it's definitely TC
 
asks google what ALU stands for
 
9:23 PM
@SuperJedi224 Arithmetic Logic Unit. :P
 
Yes, I just found the wikipedia article
An arithmetic logic unit (ALU) is a digital electronic circuit that performs arithmetic and bitwise logical operations on integer binary numbers. This is in contrast to a floating-point unit (FPU), which operates on floating point numbers. An ALU is a fundamental building block of many types of computing circuits, including the central processing unit (CPU) of computers, FPUs, and graphics processing units (GPUs). A single CPU, FPU or GPU may contain multiple ALUs. The inputs to an ALU are the data to be operated on, called operands, and a code indicating the operation to be performed; the ALU...
 
Anonymous
Yeah MC redstone is TC
 
@AlexA. I think this is the original.
 
@Calvin'sHobbies lololololol
MAAL
 
9:26 PM
minecraft as a language
 
@Optimizer With the carrots I flagged one as spam and eventually just gave up on mature conversation. That's why I was absent from chat for quite a while yesterday.
 
@Optimizer Has good educational potential
 
@Calvin'sHobbies Indeed, that's what got BrainSteel interested in electrical engineering.
 
carrot.minecraft
 
@PeterTaylor I gave up on mature conversation in here a long time ago. :/
@PeterTaylor I actually made a separate room specifically for discussion about golfing code. It's called Code Golfer's Corner, if you'd like to join.
It's not very active.
Disclaimer: I often find mature conversation overrated, hence my chat trolling. :P
 
Anonymous
9:30 PM
carrot.redstone
 
I think our profile pictures are a really nice proof of matureness
 
i.dont.carrot.all
@Mego git commit sepuku
 
@PeterTaylor I'm with you. Minecraft is obviously more appropriate here, though talking about it is at least constructive. The carrot carets are silly and nonconstructive.
 
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Q: Imitate an ordering

xnorGiven two lists of numbers, a source and a pattern, reorder the source to match the relative ordering of the pattern. Any two entries of the reordered source should compare the same way as the entries at those same positions of the pattern. For example, the input s = [-5, 9, 4, 13, 11, -6, 0] p...

 
I feel the same about the tha_tha guy
 
9:34 PM
I like to use "ಠ_ಠ" to express my general feelings about things. (Not the account. That isn't mine.)
 
@AlexA. yeah sure
 
But it's become a symbol indicative trolling, unlike other emoticons like :) or :P
 
Has it?
 
ಠ_ಠ
2
 
I mean it's harder to know when "ಠ_ಠ" is used seriously or not, if serious is the word
 
9:37 PM
it can never be srsly
 
I use it with a purpose: It usually is an accurate depiction of my face when I respond to certain things.
 
in no serious mood, I will actually send that emoji
 
I never use emojis amidst a serious mood.
 
@AlexA. never like "Thanks for the help golfing Sp3000 :)"?
 
Anonymous
@Calvin'sHobbies Yeah because who would say that
 
9:38 PM
@Calvin'sHobbies Oh, good point.
Come to think of it, I usually only use :/ in more serious situations.
It's my "seriously, guys?" face.
 
I'm back
 
ಠ_ಠ
2
 
I wonder if I can make a userscript to auto-suspend anyone who uses the word "carrot" in a chat post.
 
carrot
 
56
A: Make a PNG image with "Hello World!" with programming APIs, in the shortest code possible

squeamish ossifrageBash + ImageMagick: 35 33 Default font, default text size, default colours: convert label:Hello\ world! a.png and here's the result: Thanks to DigitalTrauma and sch for the help :-D

 
9:45 PM
I'm fairly certain Mego was kidding.
 
Anonymous
@AlexA. Wrong, I was being sarcastic
 
Hm. So after all.
 
oh my god
 
What's up with your god?
 
Anonymous
9:50 PM
It's a bit sad to see Alex setting up jokes so his alt can deliver the punchlines
9
 
LOLOLOL
 
Anonymous
It's like watching a Jeff Dunham show
 
Anonymous
Every bit as painful
 
Anonymous
 
has this been added to meme catalogue yet?
alex-is-* tags
 
9:52 PM
@GamrCorps Sorry for doubting your math... I got the same equation.
 
Anonymous
The one has been
 
Anonymous
The others are trivial extensions
 
Has Alex in general been added to the meme catalogue?
 
@Mego i think that it should be changed to alex-is-*
 
Anonymous
Nah
 
Anonymous
9:53 PM
alex-is-wrong was the original
 
Anonymous
The memeogenesis
 
but now we barely used alex is wrong.
its derivatives are more popular
 
Anonymous
No, we use synonyms for wrong, like Jeff Dunham
 
Anonymous
9:55 PM
And Bing
 
Anonymous
And Java
 
bing is generally more correct than wrong
at least the bing predictions
 
Anonymous
Bing is good for one thing supposedly, and if you have to ask, you don't need the answer
 
you mean the matches?
 
Anonymous
9:56 PM
Yeah the matches
 
Anonymous
My sugar cane farm design has a serious flaw :/
 
Anonymous
 
I'm actually in the process of converting my design to someting similar.
But thanks for reminding me that I don't need as many hoppers as I thought I would
 
Anonymous
I'm not sure how to get them all to go in the water/hopper
 
carrot.tar
 
10:07 PM
tar.tar
 
Anonymous
tar.tar.sauce
 
quarta.tar
 
^ read this and say that @ಠ_ಠ is not @AlexA.
you cannot be more wrong
thus, only @AlexA. can say that.
 
hm no, alex would use meta tag
 
since @ಠ_ಠ is @AlexA. , he is wrong too.
 
Eeeh, it is a great song!
 
only alex would say that its a great song
 
That is probably not entirely true.
 
0
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Daniel M.Literally just printing the source code code-golfquine Wait a second. We already have a contest where you print the source code. Right? Wrong. The challenge Print out the source code. Not to STDOUT, but to a physical printer. The rules: You must write a complete program that prints out its...

 
10:20 PM
^ Everyone upvote that
 
Anonymous
No why
 
Anonymous
It's barely different from the quine challenge
 
Should I not allow lpr?
 
Anonymous
Then you could just pipe to /dev/lp
 
I hope my new harvester design works out.
 
Anonymous
10:24 PM
Simply adding "print to a printer instead of STDOUT" to a challenge is not enough to make it not a dupe of the previous challenge
 
That may be true, I suppose.
 
I was thinking more along the lines of java where printing means having to go through this
 
Anonymous
Why would you do that though
 
Anonymous
Take old answer, add 4 for |lpr on command line, voila
 
In most browsers, Javscript has a builtin for opening a print dialogue.
 
Anonymous
10:28 PM
Or take old answer, add however many bytes it is to redirect stdout to /dev/lp, voila
 
Anonymous
For java: System.setOut(new PrintStream("/dev/lp"));
 
Anonymous
It's a trivial transformation between the old code and the new
 
How about banning lp(d/r) and similar commands
 
If you can be specific about what that covers, go ahead.
 
Anonymous
I'd say that's getting too restrictive
 
Anonymous
10:31 PM
That's ultimately how every printing system on Unix/Linux works
 
Though then I might as well say no built-ins, and then it's completely impossible
 
Anonymous
Exactly
 
Anonymous
It's not a good challenge, and a dupe of the quine challenge
 
I have a few other ideas that i'd like to bounce around
 
Anonymous
Go for it
 
10:35 PM
How is calculating the golden ratio, but you must do that by dividing subsequent Fibonacci numbers. Input is n, and the program must print f(n)/f(n-1)
I searched it a while ago and it wasn't an existing thing
 
That'd be kinda interesting @DanielM.
 
Anonymous
I like it
 
Anonymous
I assumine n>=1?
 
0
Q: A flat guessing game

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'BʀɪᴇɴThere is a game I like to play. It happens on a grid of finite size. On that grid, a random (integer-only) point is selected. Then, I, the user, am prompted for a coordinate input. If my input matches the random point exactly, I am told that I have won. Otherwise, I am told the point-wise distanc...

 
Yeah
 
Anonymous
10:38 PM
And the fib numbers must be calculated iteratively/recursively, since the closed-form formula uses phi?
 
Yeah
One other idea is fixing braces in code (Braces on a separate line would become braces on the same line).
So
void main()
{
would become
void main(){
And code doesn't work in chat
 
Press the fixed font button
 
Not working for when it's a single message, even when some is left as 4 space indent. Got my point across at least
 
Shift + enter
void main()
{
 
11:07 PM
How did I become a meme?
 
Anonymous
That's a good question
 
Btw, ಠ_ಠ is seriously not my sock. I would appreciate it if people would trust me on that.
 
Thank you.
 
Anonymous
11:16 PM
@AlexA. We do, it's just fun to tease you
 
Same.
And that too. :P
 
Sigh.
 
I have two socks.
 
Anonymous
If you can't take the trolling, get out from under the bridge :P
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11:17 PM
Well, more, actually.
 
^ true
I have like twenty
 
hahaha
 
hi
 
Anonymous
I have more than two socks because I don't do laundry daily
 
Anonymous
11:17 PM
Hi dogetor
 
everyone changed their avatars
 
Yeah, the season has changed
 
Anonymous
Yeah halloween is over
 
oh yeah I need to do that
 
Anonymous
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I can't do challenge 2 or 3 in your game without ending up with a worse score :(
 
11:19 PM
@Mego Oh. Do you think I should increase the reward for the 3rd challenge?
Or would people be ticked
 
Anonymous
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Maybe
 
What dost thou speakest of?
 
Anonymous
It would likely take more than 10 bytes to do that in any language
 
Side note, what's the plural Middle-English "you"?
 
Anonymous
11:20 PM
thou
 
It's actually you
 
Woo, got it right! :P
 
ye?
 
>.<
 
Thou is the singular/informal
 
11:20 PM
as in "abandon all work, ye who enter here"
 
ye is plural I think
 
Anonymous
@Doorknob That's a cool saying, we should use it as our chatroom topic
 
what a great idea!
 
Give him stars!
 
> Ye (IPA: /jiː/) is a second-person, plural, personal pronoun (nominative)
 
Anonymous
11:21 PM
General discussion for codegolf.stackexchange.com | abandon all work, ye who enter here —Doorknob
 
@El'endiaStarman I guess I'm wrong on that one.
 
Anonymous
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Can you answer my question in my comment pretty please?
 
@Mego I didn't see it, sorry
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Mego and I were wrong as well. :P
 
... we're all wrong, together! royal rainbow
 
11:23 PM
@Doorknob Abandon all knobs, ye who use sliding doors
2
 
o_o
 
Anonymous
I forgot the turn counter >_<
 
@El'endiaStarman Are you thinking of adding an "output as number" without a trailing space?
 
@Sp3000 Probably not. I'm planning on adding Z for "convert this number to a string".
 
github.com/zendes/SBUS/pull/2 waits for pull request to be reviewed
 
11:26 PM
"string" as in it pushes the individual chars to the stack?
 
Ah k
 
@El'endiaStarman @VoteToClose There are other 1-byte tokens than ASCII, you know
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I'm sticking to ASCII.
Specifically within 32-126.
 
@El'endiaStarman Okay ^_^
 
11:30 PM
Minkolang is not intended to actually be a golfing language.
 
Anonymous
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I'm designing a language that attempts to make use of the whole 255 non-null range
 
hi fives El'endia for doing the same
 
@Mego Me too XD
 
It's also intended to be one that makes sense and is easy/easier to remember.
 
Anonymous
11:31 PM
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ inb4 our languages are trivial derivatives of each other
 
@Sp3000 high five
 
Anonymous
in before
 
Now, in the future, I might make "Son of Minkolang" that does actually try to be a golfing language.
 
Anonymous
As in, "I'm calling this before it happens"
 
11:32 PM
Oh, what's your langauge @Mego
 
Anonymous
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ "Seriously"
 
...
 
Anonymous
Inspired by
 
Anonymous
11:33 PM
30
Q: Seriously, GolfScript, CJam, or Pyth?

coredumpSome time ago, the following question was asked: GolfScript, CJam, or Pyth? Based on the title only, I thought that it would be a very nice challenge, but unfortunately, it turned out to be a question asking for tips. Here is the challenge I wanted to read: Who said golfing languages were not...

 
Anonymous
\ldots
 
Anonymous
Watch that space
 
Anonymous
Eventually it will have stuff
 
So... you're basing it off of Simplex.
 
Anonymous
11:36 PM
Huh?
 
Anonymous
I just took the name from the challenge
 
5 mins ago, by Mego
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ inb4 our languages are trivial derivatives of each other
 
Anonymous
(more specifically, the jokes in the comments of the challenge)
 
Anonymous
Oh, I thought you meant you were also developing a new language
 
Anonymous
I forgot about Simplex
 
Anonymous
Then I was referring to that
 
New challenge: "Seriously, Simplex, Vitsy, Minkolang, or Gol><>?"
 
Anonymous
I'm not "basing" it off of any existing language, per se
 
Anonymous
But I'm drawing inspiration from BF and CJam
 
11:37 PM
I feel like I missed one.
 
Anonymous
@El'endiaStarman SAF?
 
Eh, that doesn't really count.
@Mego I look forward to seeing how you mash those two together...
 
@El'endiaStarman It's simple.
It's Simplex
:3
 
> Simplex...it's... simple. (Actually, no it's not.)
 
11:40 PM
You don't think it's simple? Good.
 
It's not as insane as Snowman.
Completely unusable.
(sorry @Doorknob)
 
@AlexA. (which one?)
 
Snowman
 
@AlexA. Thanks! :D
 
I remember the solution for Fizz Buzz was pulled from the docs and not even Doorknob remembers how it works...
 
11:42 PM
well I mean I can kinda read it
but... uhhh... I don't entirely comprehend how it all works together
2
 
Anonymous
@El'endiaStarman Simple. Stack-based, everything goes on the stack as an unsigned integer. Interpretation is based on the commands.
 
@Mego That's...uh...incredibly generic. :P
 
@Doorknob Says the creator of the language. :P
 
Anonymous
If your stack is [65], one command might be to pop and output as an integer, another might be to pop and output as a character
 
Anonymous
11:44 PM
No distinguishing between integral and string types
 
Anonymous
Probably should have a floating point type though
 
Anonymous
Anyway bbl
 
...not distinct from Befunge yet. :P
 
11:46 PM
should i make a programming language
 
Do you know one really well already?
 
@AlexA. Hi. I wanted to check with you if it is ok. As I sometimes show you how to improve your answer, you are very quick to update it and thank me in a comment. Is it ok with you if I then delete my comment and mark your "thank you" comment for deletion as obsolete?
 
I know javascript
 
I agree with @El'endiaStarman
 
and I know Batch really well
 
11:47 PM
^ ಠ_ಠ
 
@Seadrus Hmm. When did you start learning how to program? (As in, how many years/months?)
 
@El'endiaStarman I learned Java last year, so...
 
@El'endiaStarman err about a month ago
 
Honestly, I think your time will be much better spent getting better at Javascript.
 
11:50 PM
okay then ^-^
 
@flodel Hey flodel! That's something the mods have been thinking about. I'll get back to you soon. Thanks again for the golfing help. :)
 
I disagree. Javascript is poisonous.
 
It has its uses.
 
@feersum carrot.tar.gz
 
11:52 PM
@feersum depends on whether you know how to use it properly.
 
I hate JS
 
Simplex is written in JS ;-;
 
And I use it all the time so I think that qualifies me to judge it
 
But JavaScript...
 
AND Js is what this chatroom is.
 
11:52 PM
I agree with Martin here. I think JS can be a POS but I also think it can be useful.
 
You'd better port it as fast as possible to stop the contamination.
 
Stupid enter key
 
Js is love js is life
 
Nope
 
http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/62533/30544
Would this Haskell solution be eligible for the multithreaded bonus? Haskell is functional and pure, and does multithreading automatically where possible via a compile-time switch (ghc -threaded file).
 
11:55 PM
@Mateon1 I imagine that the multithreading bonus would be more for manual multithreading but I think that's a question for the OP.
 
I find it highly unlikely that it magically multithreads that.
 
@feersum I do believe it multithreads that, but I'm not sure how to test that theory. Every call splits into two independent calls.
 
@Mateon1 There isn't a method for getting the current thread object like Java?
Never used Haskell so just curious
 
@quartata There is, but it requires a function to be unpure
 
The sinning function
 
11:59 PM
carrot.py
 
What does that mean?
 
It means a Python script saved with the name "carrot"
 
No no no I mean unpure
 

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