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5:00 PM
@Geobits I talk to myself all the time
For evidence just look at the MC chat relay
There's nothing wrong with it
 
@Mego Definitely, just not banned, so they still "count" :(
 
Google's favicon service is a hoax:
 
Anonymous
They still count as much as a answer on a question that probably needs to be closed can
 
Or I'm just zoomed in badly
 
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Q: Acronyms can really obviously narrow your message sensors

muddyfishBecause of this, you need a better way of working out if a phrase is an acronym of a word. You also think it would be worthwhile to see if the phrase and word in question are recursive acronyms. Your task: Given a word and then a phrase separated by a line, output if the phrase is an acronym an...

 
5:02 PM
3
A: *Overwrit*labels

DennisCJam, 24 23 19 bytes l~Sf.*'*f*:.{S^+1=} Thanks to @MartinBüttner for helping me save 4 bytes! Try a fiddle in the CJam interpreter or verify all test cases at once. How it works (outdated) Lr Push "" and a token from STDIN (first coordinate). { }h ...

Thanks again!
 
@Geobits Terrible. That's just terrible.
 
@Geobits At least I inspire challenges. (We need to bother Geobits more Hobbes.)
 
@Rainbolt Yes. It most certainly is :)
@Calvin'sHobbies Oh, I though that one was more like "Oh crap I finished writing a spec and found a dupe. Let me mention it to try to deflect the close votes" :P
 
@Mego I think zero byte programs can be valid in real languages. The empty set is a real set in set theory.
@Geobits I don't think so. I had an upvote for my challenge shortly before that was posted and I think it was that guy.
 
This is what happens when a little kid tries to fix the spelling of a foreign speaker: boardgames.stackexchange.com/posts/27263/revisions
I'm kind of surprised he knew what "manner" was
 
Anonymous
5:10 PM
@Rainbolt Yeah, redneck is really southern
 
Maybe he really meant manna, like miracle food?
 
How much miracle food should I put in my deck?
 
Yes. Don't want to starve or anything.
 
I'll eat some manna and counter your spell
 
He needs it for his voyage into the mountains and forest.
 
5:14 PM
@quartata Might just do this... Hmm...
 
Or maybe just stopped up:
 
Anonymous
With SAF/GolfFuck, you can save some room by just not allowing the NOPs
 
> a sweet secretion from the manna ash or a similar plant, used as a mild laxative and as a principal source of mannitol.
 
Anonymous
So don't code for -+, +-, <>, and ><
 
Anonymous
Or in the three-byte version, +-+, -+-, <><, and fish
 
5:16 PM
Yeah - we wanted to get rid of those anyways, so maybe those could be multiply, divide, modulate, and power?
Also: first Vitsy answer. c:
 
Anonymous
waits for @quartata to have an aneurysm
 
I'll work on SAF a bit, see if I can assimilate some form of 3-byte compression for common sets of instructions.
 
@Geobits I didn't realize that manna ash was a real thing. I'm playing Ni No Kuni and the manna is a forbidden spell that rains ash from the sky and turns everyone into a beast
 
Anonymous
@VTCAKAVSMoACE I'll join you in the eso room to help :P
 
@Mego I didn't mean now. I'm doing Calculus. XD I have a test tomorrow. Maybe in about 3 minutes. c:
 
Anonymous
5:23 PM
Calculus is the best time
 
Anonymous
dBF/ds = SAF
 
@Rainbolt I love that game :D
 
Just finished my C# masterpiece only to realize I don't have a compiler
 
@Mego Thing is, I can't really do much without flawr here as well - he makes the js page for decoding and encoding SAF.
 
Anonymous
5:27 PM
@VTCAKAVSMoACE I'm not the worst at js
 
@quartata Is it something you can run online, like at ideone?
 
Anonymous
And I can whip up a python script for encoding/decoding
 
@Geobits I ran it in .NET Fiddle and it ran out of memory
Apparently 300 KB is the max...
 
Anonymous
@quartata Need me to run something for you?
 
@Mego I do actually have to do homework. I'll be back in an hour or so, is that cool? :D I'll hurry.
 
Anonymous
5:29 PM
@VTCAKAVSMoACE Sure thing, I'm gonna grab some food
 
ideone is 256 MB, maybe better luck there. Short time limit, though.
 
@Geobits I didn't know ideone supported C#.
I'll give that a try.
@Mego Nah that's OK.
 
@Mego Plus, once we're done with adjustments, I can make a wiki page for Vitsy. c:
 
Runs in ideone but it throws an error that is on a non-existent line number
 
Nice :)
 
Anonymous
5:35 PM
My offer is still open
 
It's for an upcoming CnR though...
I think I'm just going to get Mono (the compiler not the disease)
 
Anonymous
Same thing
 
I didn't do this in C# by choice
It was either C# or OCaml
 
I'll say I was out with Mono tomorrow, meaning the compiler not the disease XD @quartata
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Give it a shot, tell us how it goes
 
5:39 PM
@quartata Haha, will do ^_^
maybe not. Heck. You only live once.
 
I was just kidding don't risk it
 
I know XD shudders
 
The challenge in case you were wondering: meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/7211/45151
 
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@quartata Thanks
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ YOLO
 
5:42 PM
@quartata Oh, darn. It's with zeroes?
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ No it isn't
That's just how it looks with code formatting
(` `)
 
Anonymous
YOLO is what I got
 
@quartata Oh. Right. YOLO vs Y0L0
Thanks y'all
 
Anonymous
NP
 
Anonymous
I think we need a BF interpreter bot :P
 
5:43 PM
@Mego It was going to be a feature of The Tin Soldier
But a certain bird told us it had to be in its own room
 
Anonymous
?
 
Anonymous
Oh
 
Anonymous
Is it in the esolangs room?
 
<The Tin Soldier> Bot initiated. Type !help for help.
!help
<The Tin Soldier> @quartata Commands: say; time; eval; scope; alex; help; status; stab; doorknob; ಠ_ಠ; delete_self
No docs yet.
 
Anonymous
!ಠ_ಠ
 
5:45 PM
YEAAAAAH
 
Anonymous
:(
 
I turned it off
 
aw
!say bye
;-;
Why , @AlexA., why?????
 
I'll probably make my own room then when Conor and I finish it
We'll call it the 2^31th byte
 
^
But @Mego is right: a BF interpreter should be built in, along with, given an input of a language, output a link to the respective interpreter.
 
Anonymous
5:47 PM
Bonus points: write the bot in BF
 
Anonymous
STDIN and STDOUT are the chat room
 
o________________________o
 
Anonymous
It's theoretically possible
 
Theoretically, yes. It would be like a heck of a lot of data though
 
BF++ has socket support I believe
 
Anonymous
5:50 PM
The glory of Turing-complete languages: it's theoretically possible to do anything, but for some cough BF cough it would be easier to simulate the entire universe
 
So yeah I could write it in that
 
Anonymous
Just have a different program handle the sockets, and pipe them into BF
 
That might work
 
Anonymous
Like C, sockets and popen
 
Anonymous
Enjoy your segfaults
 
5:51 PM
XD ^
 
BF++ has both file I/O and sockets, so we could easily do it in that
 
ahem the term easily is an overstatement.
 
*understatement
 
*sidestatement
Ah man I'm not the most talkative person in PPCG
 
I have only 1.5k messages this week while Alex has 1.9k
 
Clock Clock
 
@Optimizer WHOA
$;"Whoa"
 
@Optimizer Waaat. You get a Simplex program: "WH"('A)1337"T‽"g
 
You know something is wrong when there are 350 bullet points in an overview of a language version
 
6:03 PM
@Optimizer Can you link me the source of that? :o
 
do you not know how to convert back the repo url from io url?
when life gets u down but u decide to just go with it http://t.co/EpRYEJG5L9
 
Uh. No?
 
v any comments?
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'BʀɪᴇɴWrite a RISZHQ9+?!‽~; compiler. AHHH you might see HQ9+ in there. That's right, this is yet another HQ9+ derivative. Though this may actually be useful. Here are the commands: R Read the accumulator and update the reader I Sets the accumulator to the ASCII value of the input S Sets the ac...

 
Anonymous
No, no comments, you should add those
 
6:13 PM
@Mego As in /* */?
 
Anonymous
Of course
 
Okay, just wondering. ("no comments" versus "No, no, comments")
 
Anonymous
English is hard. The interpreter needs a major overhaul.
 
^ And how so? Someone dropped a downvote without telling me anything. @Mego
 
I didn't down vote, so two people did. :P
 
Anonymous
6:19 PM
itwasntme
 
ok
People are mean .,. Don't be on meta if you aren't going to help :P
 
Anonymous
My prediction is, if it makes it to main, it's one of those questions that will end up getting a bounty for more answers
 
It won't make it to main at this rate.
 
@Dennis Wow that is so much better than anything I could come up with :D
 
It'll die in the sandbox. ;-;
 
6:23 PM
@Sp3000 Actually, my second-to-top-voted sandbox proposal is a CnR... and in the meantime I even wrote the stack snippet I was waiting for (for another CnR)... I'm still not convinced whether it's really possible to make difficult cops though.
@Dennis Sf.* is so brilliant! :)
(actually, S^+1= is even better)
 
@Mego Could you upvote something of mine? I need the upvote HTML data. You can remove the upvote afterwards.
 
Anonymous
ಠ_ಠ
 
Anonymous
Sure
 
Anonymous
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A: Don't google "google"

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'BʀɪᴇɴTI-BASIC Heck, while we're at it, might as well get a TI-BASIC answer in here. Input format for all programs is "string":prgmG. Revised version (25 bytes) (Credit to Thomas Kwa for finding it first) PROGRAM:G length(Ans)+log(Ans≠"GOOGLE (Guide: add 1 byte for each lowercase letter replaci...

 
Anonymous
6:25 PM
There you go
 
@Mego Thanks ^_^
 
Anonymous
Welcome. Keep the change
 
Anonymous
And by change I mean upvote
 
I'm trying to make a graphic similar to @DigitalTrauma
 
@Geobits Have you heard of RoboRosewater yet? He came out with another funny mechanic: "unattacked"
 
6:34 PM
wow, you are smart to put in the "yet" there. Otherwise, he would have simply relied with "yes, I heard of him now"
 
I'll stop there. I could quote these tweets all day.
 
PETA alert!
 
How do make an image display in chat? :P
 
magic
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Post the direct link and nothing else
 
6:36 PM
I really liked some of the stuff that came up with. Tromple, Mointainspalk!
 
That card reads oddly. I'm not sure whether it should be any creature, or a specific one, and I have no idea which card that card is :(
 
Anonymous
 
Anonymous
Super magic
 
hmm I don't get any of those.. probably for the better
 
Moi aussi
 
@aditsu hmm, 1 more upvote and no comments in the last 4 hours... I think I'll post it
 
@Geobits @Calvin'sHobbies @Sp3000 Idea for random cup stacks to avoid ascii art: the representation you output is a sequence of "up" and "down" representing the slopes surrounding the stack. (and the input constraint is the number of cups in the structure)
I wonder if that allows some clever algorithms which don't need to construct the full stack before converting to slopes
 
Oh, nvm I read that wrong.
 
it's borken
 
6:46 PM
yeah, one sec
 
@aditsu uh, what, "measured in UTF-8"?
 
yeah, normally I'd restrict it to ASCII, but if people really want fancy characters, they can do that but should use UTF-8 to count the bytes
 
that's just punishing APL
 
can APL play sounds?
 
I don't know, but the point stands.
 
6:52 PM
@aditsu Hmm... Either you're really meta or have a split personality... I have no idea which ;)
 
specifying an encoding seems unnecessarily restrictive
 
well, it's punishing CJam just as much
 
not really? all of CJam's operators and syntax element are in ASCII range
 
I guess you haven't seen all the compressed CJam answers
 
of course I have
and if people use those, they'll have to use an encoding which includes those characters
 
6:54 PM
well, I'd like to punish that :p
 
but if they don't (e.g. because of base encoding only up to base 256) then something like Latin-1 is completely fine
@aditsu just specifying scoring by bytes (as usual) does exactly that though
 
not really, people will make sure to use 1 byte/char
if they can choose their preferred encoding
 
yeah, what's wrong with that as long as they don't use more characters than fit in a byte?
 
@aditsu Does it really have to run in Linux? :P
 
6:57 PM
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Q: Play an RTTTL song

aditsuUser quartata posted this challenge, but he neglected the fact that, for whatever reason, he's not able to play MIDI files on his computer. Let's help him out by writing a full program that reads a song in RTTTL format from the standard input, prints the song name to the standard output and play...

 
@MartinBüttner I think it gives an unfair advantage over languages that can't do that (effectively)
 
languages that can't do that effectively will lose to CJam anyway (not that CJam could play sound...)
 
@feersum yes, not only so that I can test it easily, but @quartata uses Linux too afaik
 
Can I assume that you can use wine to run any Windows program? :P
 
@MartinBüttner What was wrong with ascii art again?
 
6:58 PM
@Calvin'sHobbies He's too nice to me, that's all.
 
@MartinBüttner yes, so at least I want the program to be relatively readable
come on man, it's an improvement over my usual "ASCII-only" restriction
 
@Calvin'sHobbies The fact that I promised Geobits to do no more ASCII art instalments :P (More seriously, the fact that I'd like to focus on the randomness aspect, and leave ASCII art challenges to Optimizer's challenge series ;))
 
^^ haha right
 
@feersum which language are you thinking of?
 
Beep() in windows.h
 
7:00 PM
TBH there's not that much "art" in the cups things
 
@feersum so... C/C++ with win32 api?
 
yes
 
ok.. well, I guess wine is acceptable if it runs the code; I wonder how I would compile it though
 
Anonymous
gcc cross compile
 
gcccc?
 
Anonymous
7:03 PM
Or run the compiler under wine
 
I should have pretended not to see that rule. It probably would have been easier that way.
Easier to ask forgiveness and all.
 
it's not like I said you can't do it
 
What do you mean you didn't say I can't do it?
 
I didn't say "no, that's not acceptable"
 
I have no idea if it runs in wine.
 
7:05 PM
if it doesn't use weird stuff, it most likely runs fine
 
What did I miss?
@aditsu You don't need to cross compile to run something under Wine
 
just compile it as a normal Linux program? will it find the headers and libraries?
 
No you don't even need that
Anything that runs under Windows runs under Wine
 
It can actually run executables linked under Windows
@VTCAKAVSMoACE Well I mean with bugs obviously
 
7:08 PM
well, I have to compile it somehow
 
That's kind of the point.
 
@aditsu Oh I see the problem
Hmm
 
@aditsu well, that's ridiculous anyway :/ ... I don't know, I've never even used APL but I'm not a fan of rules that directly put a small set of (commonly used) languages at an arbitrary disadvantage
 
@Mego Is this real?
 
@MartinBüttner Unrelated to cups but if you want a random thing how about a where you have a grid of some preset size and repeatedly pick two random points on it and join them with the shortest ortho-diagonal path possible that doesn't intersect existing paths. Repeat until a path is impossible. Draw the lines and endpoints so at the end it looks something like this:
 
7:10 PM
@Calvin'sHobbies true, but the formatting could easily take up a decent chunk of the code in languages which aren't well-suited to string manipulation
 
@MartinBüttner it's just one way to level the playing field a tiny little bit... and anyway, it probably won't make much difference among languages that can play sound
 
(maybe it would end up more sparse)
 
@Calvin'sHobbies that sounds pretty amazing
 
There are also languages that don't use an ASCII-based encoding at all.
 
I guess it's more artsy stuff, but I'm not pandering to Geobits :P
 
7:11 PM
@Calvin'sHobbies Wow that's really cool
 
@feersum well that was my point with APL
 
@MartinBüttner Oh and the grid should probably have periodic boundary conditions
 
@aditsu I wonder if I could make a bash one using xset or echo -e "\a"
 
@Calvin'sHobbies Huh? I like that one >_>
 
@MartinBüttner I think in practice APL is today mostly used with UTF-8 encodings.
 
7:13 PM
@quartata isn't that just a fixed-duration, fixed-pitch beep?
 
Most shells don't play the beep anyway :(
 
I'm thinking like TI or C64 Basics which are totally incompatible.
 
@aditsu I think xset can actually do volume/pitch/duration
 
@feersum but that's not how it's normally counted around here
 
@Geobits They do. There's a bug in gnome-terminal that causes the beep to not play
 
7:14 PM
oh ok
 
It's been around for AGESSS
So long that I forgot it was even a bug
 
Ooh. There's actually a beep command in AppleScript. >.>
 
@feersum Yeah, I considered TI BASIC as well, but I wasn't sure whether the TIs can play sound.
 
@MartinBüttner They cannot.
 
@quartata Hmm. Last time I played with it, I tried a few different ones (long time ago, so don't remember which). Might try again some time.
 
7:15 PM
Otherwise I would mention that I DO have a TI-84
@Geobits pactl upload-sample PATH_TO_OGG_FILE_OF_CHOICE bell.ogg fixes it under PulseAudio
At least until you exit the shell
 
Interesting.
Now, make my laptop work with MIDI and I'll be set ;)
 
You can run ping -a google.com to try it out
@Geobits TiMIDIty except it doesn't work my computer
 
@Calvin'sHobbies I might leave that for ninth challenge though... it sounds like quite an involved challenge (keeping track of the grid, path-finding, and graphical output).
 
Yea, I fought with mine for some time a couple weeks ago. It works fine on my desktop.
 
@VTCAKAVSMoACE I believe aditsu is trying to be nice to me (:3) and make it only languages that run under Linux. I do have a really crummy old Mac laptop so feel free to make an AppleScript one
Ah you saw it good.
 
7:18 PM
@MartinBüttner Well, I might get in the mood to make it a challenge before that ;) But until I do anyone can feel free to make it first.
 
You knew exactly what I was asking. ;D
 
Yeah I know you like your AppleScript
It's not a bad choice for this honestly
I know it can do volume/duration but can it do pitch?
Haven't used AS in so long
 
Again, BASIC's PLAY is superior :P
 
I can only recall one useful use of AppleScript
 
@quartata What version of QT are you running?
 
7:22 PM
@Calvin'sHobbies Sure, it's your idea after all :)
 
I can recall a few. Say, set volume output volume to 0. c:
 
This answer isn't ok, right?
http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/61195/42619
 
It's not what the question is asking for... right?
 
I'm not giving the site access just to find out, honestly.
But if it also works with lua and blub, it's probably not as golfed as it could be.
 
@VTC Well, it is technically. It does take brainfuck and interpret it... but it is an external thing, not golfed, and really not suited for the site.
 
7:32 PM
@quartata Damn. Looks like Applescript isn't going to work, the beep method doesn't change tones.
 
It's like if someone asked you to give them a nice and simple recipe for a casserole and you tell them you can get great professionally made casseroles in france.
 
@TreFox Doesn't imply a basic attempt to golf it down and to post the source in the answer?
 
I hope so. Then we can tell Unary to go away :)
 
@VTCAKAVSMoACE Yeah, and ungolfed answers are usually downvoted. But I know this is a low quality answer. I'm wondering if it should be deleted or just downvoted.
 
@Dennis can you do something with this: QeuN/)S/_z1<](
 
7:38 PM
Question: how can a user have 100 Rep and have no questions or answers?
 
If they are "trusted" on other sites they get a bonus for signing up
 
Or they edit a lot I guess. That would be a bit strange, though.
 
Oh. Well then.
 
You get rep for editing?
 
You get +2 per accepted edit suggestion. Once you have full edit privileges you don't.
Also, what's wrong with base 13 jokes? :P
 
7:46 PM
Oh, just for a small puzzle I'm doing in another community :P
It's a douglas adams quote
 
Yea, I've seen it before. HHGttG and all.
 
@MartinBüttner Another random idea, though still ascii art: (and if you prefer to stick with your own ideas I definitely understand)
Start with "__".

Repeatedly replace any random _ with
  __
_/  \_

Do this N times.

e.g. N = 4

Step 0:
__

Step 1:
   __
__/  \_

Step 2:
     __
   _/  \__
__/       \_

Step 3:
          __
  __    _/  \__
_/  \__/       \_

Step 4:
            __
          _/  \_
  __    _/      \__
_/  \__/           \_
Might lead to some interesting terrain.
 
I think we had something like that, just a different shape.
 
"another random idea" hrhr
 
(looks better without the line spacing)
@Geobits Link?
 
7:50 PM
I'm looking for it, but having to wade through other ascii art fractals :)
 
I kinda feel like I may have done something similar before. (One of these days I'll probably post an inadvertent dupe of my own challenge :P)
 
Yea, the only ones I can find right away are less "linear". There are other fractals done, but most are more circular/intricate.
Like this or this
@Calvin'sHobbies Fun fact: A bit over 4% of the questions on the site are yours.
 
And how many of the question votes? :D
 
@VTCAKAVSMoACE Qt? 4.8.6
 
Plenty, but I'm not willing to do the work to find out :P
 
7:56 PM
This has been sitting around for over a year: meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/2268/8478 anyone think it's worth posting? (probably with xnor's suggestion to limit to N <= 16)
 
I really, really can't seem to type today.
 
@MartinBüttner Wow that's old.
Hmm
 
@quartata it's not the oldest one I have in the sandbox... (and others have been in there for several years)
 
Poor sandy questions.
 
I saw one in there that was four years old :P
Is it bad form to answer a challenge that is about you?
I want to try a Perl RTTTL player with xset
 
7:58 PM
No, it's the best form.
 
@quartata No. Dennis and MonkeyBear did it
 
I think Dennis won the Generate Dennis Numbers challenge so I think it is OK
Wow ninja'd
 
I've been trying to get Gareth to post this for a while now as well.
 

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