The Nineteenth Byte

sweerpotato

15:13

Almost done with it

:~)!

Optimizer

are you ever going to fix your nose?

sweerpotato

Nose is perpetual

Optimizer

No~e

mbomb007

@flawr Ha! I like Remi Gaillard's videos! My favorite is the astronaut one:

Astronaut (Rémi Gaillard)

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Optimizer

@flawr awww.. the credits!

sweerpotato

15:29

There we go!

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Q: Save the pilot!

Question We are captured by robot army on their space station. Our space ship pilot is in the prison which is in level 1. The only hope is to rescue pilot and return home! Rules Only possible steps you could do are: Move from level N to level N - 1 Move from level N to level N + 1 Use one-wa...

Optimizer

~~^ that was fast~~ oh, that's not yours

sweerpotato

Oh, that's not mine though

:D

Zach Gates

@PhiNotPi That prints two "l"s to the console

sweerpotato

I posted mine to sandbox

Hope it's fun :|

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15:36

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Background You and some other programmers have been hired by the local sausage guys in Munich, Germany. The sausage guys provide Oktoberfest with all the sausages the giant Volksfest needs. You manage to overhear your boss speaking to the other employees about why you and the others were hired w...

sweerpotato

Perhaps it's too easy

Geobits

I thought there was something similar with candy instead of sausage before, but i might be thinking about the candy sorting one instead.

Zach Gates

Oh, I forgot to mention, you can't have two of the same Act @PhiNotPi

sweerpotato

@Geobits there's a duplicate? D:

Geobits

Not sure. I thought there was, but I can't find it if there is.

sweerpotato

15:46

:/

perhaps a search of 'sausage' and 'oktoberfest' wasn't enough

Zach Gates

Definitely not...

Geobits

Duplicates are based on task, not theme :P

Zach Gates

Duplicates aren't determined by similarity in objects. They're determined by similarity between what the challenge is asking

Dang, beat me to it

sweerpotato

yes

Geobits

Also, I don't see how it's related to Human World at all ;)

sweerpotato

15:48

:~)!

Zach Gates

I think you should try to rephrase what you got from Wikipedia (and shorten it)

sweerpotato

Bloating the challenge too much?

Zach Gates

Yeah

And no one is going to read those long descriptions anyway (they're filled with superfluous information)

sweerpotato

Maybe I'll put it at the end of the challenge

Sausage trivia

Zach Gates

What's the point of facts like this:

> Kabanosy are often seasoned only with pepper. Unlike other meats, these sausages are typically eaten alone as an appetiser and, except when kosher, often served with cheese.

Or this:

> It also has a history as soldier's food because it keeps without refrigeration and comes in single-meal portions.

sweerpotato

15:51

Fun facts I guess

I may have diverging interests :D

You make a valid point though

Zach Gates

No offense to sausage-lovers (or yourself), but who cares..?

Geobits

Is anyone interested in helping this guy out? I'm just not sure what to say at this point, and I'm going to be impolite if I continue.

Zach Gates

That last comment of his..

Geobits

I just can't figure out what he actually wants. It's gone through several tags now, and there's no sort of scoring mentioned in the spec.

Zach Gates

Unless he supplies us with 20,000 test cases, the challenge is void

I'm voting to close as unclear

sweerpotato

16:05

@ZachGates is it better now?

Zach Gates

@sweerpotato Yes

sweerpotato

I think so too

Zach Gates

You might want to add their shortname in parentheses, though

sweerpotato

Oh, yeah! :~)!

Zach Gates

> Prinskorv (P)

Like that

or something

sweerpotato

16:07

Yeah

Good input

Does anything else stand out as ambiguous?

Zach Gates

Not that I see

sweerpotato

Should I post it?

Zach Gates

It's up to you

It's only been in the Sandbox for 43 minutes though

sweerpotato

Yeah, true that

I'll make dinner and then I'll see if I have any input

Optimizer

16:28

chill dude.

let it hang in there for a day or two

Geobits

16:43

Well this app sounds like a really really terrible idea...

> Anyone who has access to someone's cellphone number can start a new profile for them on the site.

^ Not the only reason this is a bad idea, but what the hell? Why would you encourage people to post other people's private information?

Sven The Surfer

I love the idea. I had wanted a centralized place where you can rate drivers and post your complaints and praise. There will never be a good way to implement such things though. Until the robots take over and implant chips in all of us

Geobits

Random drivers on the road?

I'm not sure what function that would really serve.

Sven The Surfer

16:59

Uber is basically doing this now with their rating system. I thought of the idea when a driver did something nice and I wanted a way to acknowledge the person.

Optimizer

uber is not doing the same thing

uber is doing a basic rating system, like any other rating system - u use the product, u rate it

Sven The Surfer

The product being a person. You interact with people every day and use their services. Holding a conversation is a service is it not?

Optimizer

then you should be able to rate the person on your device and there should be a record of you using the product

Geobits

The main difference is that if you are an Uber driver, I assume you agree to this from the start.

Optimizer

in that sense, if u have this app installed, you also agree to be random-reviewed

Geobits

17:05

@Optimizer No, that's the thing. You don't have to have it installed at all. Anyone with your cell phone number can do it.

Optimizer

oh!

lol

Geobits

And there is apparently no way at all to opt out.

Sven The Surfer

Who cares if there is an app or not? People have the right to gossip about others behind their back.

Optimizer

or behind their graves

for people like Sven!

Geobits

People also have the right to privacy, no? This isn't people gossiping among friends, it's completely public.

Optimizer

17:07

its like tagging a person in an fb post and posting shit about that person.

Sven The Surfer

I guess I don't understand the difference.

Optimizer

with a power to override the privacy setting of auto tagging

Geobits

The difference is that this seems to be the app's sole purpose.

At least facebook or twitter (in theory, at least ;) have other uses.

If it was opt in, I wouldn't be really concerned. I'd still think it's odd, but not wrong.

Sven The Surfer

The idea of privacy is all messed up in my mind with all this social media nonsense.

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Q: Pseudorandom Cellular Automaton

Introduction In this challenge, we will simulate a certain probabilistic cellular automaton using very bad pseudorandom numbers. The cellular automaton is defined on binary strings by the following local rule. Suppose that the left neighbor of a cell and the cell itself have states a and b. If...

code-golf cellular-automata

Optimizer

17:15

^ i guessed the poster from first few lines of the post itself'

PhiNotPi

@ZachGates It appears that there's two of the same Act in your current Hello World example.

Optimizer

without looking at image

PhiNotPi

The first l in Hello and the l in World.

Zach Gates

@Geobits Phishing

Geobits

The funniest thing about this is that the founders of Peeple don't appear to take criticism well. It seems they've been asking facebook for a way to minimize/remove negative comments on their page, and think opinion columnists shouldn't judge them without giving them a chance to explain first.

So I can only assume they won't be impressed with the ratings they get on their own system.

Zach Gates

17:28

@PhiNotPi Pull the repo. I added a DUP_TOP function, too.

PhiNotPi

I was referring to the Hello World you posted on PPCG

Sven The Surfer

@Geobits So many hypocrites in the news lately. Some politician against marijuana was caught with it, this other religious/family-man politician got caught cheating on his wife.

Zach Gates

@PhiNotPi Oh, I thought I deleted that

PhiNotPi

Also, ow does this work?

Intermission

# Push 'l' to console.
Symphony No. 22
Symphony in D major
Symphony No. 20
Oboe Concerto in C major

Intermission

# Duplicate TOS.
Cut Time

I thought you said outputting pops from the stack

So there's nothing to duplicate

Does it re-run the previous act?

Zach Gates

I changed it. Now it's an actual stack

Optimizer

17:34

previously, it was just a stack snippet?

Zach Gates

No

Alex A.

It was just a snack.

sweerpotato

Snack stippet

PhiNotPi

Does Cut Time output anything? I don't see an Oboe Concerto

Optimizer

@AlexA. How is that evolution?

Zach Gates

17:37

@PhiNotPi Cut Time duplicates the last element pushed to the stack (l).

Alex A.

@Optimizer Who said anything about evolution?

Optimizer

its like raichu transformed to pichu

PhiNotPi

Where is that l outputted?

sweerpotato

That analogy :D

flawr

Mozart Oboe Concerto in C major, K.314 (2) by Bart Schneemann

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Optimizer

17:38

Its like mewtwo transformed to psyduck

Alex A.

@flawr Is this more airplane crashes?

Optimizer

@AlexA. probably

just with additional background score

Did we flag something again?

Alex A.

Nah, it's just the regular blues trickling in, no blue flood.

Optimizer

when u write a good tweet and you wait for the favs but they don't come http://t.co/RJ4LAD8RNn

Tweeted by benicus_rex on October 1, 2015 at 4:39 PM

flawr

Oh just found my favourite Oboe concerto again:

Vivaldi - Oboe Concerto in a minor, RV 461 (Ton Koopman & Marcel Ponseele, baroque oboe)

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Optimizer

17:40

I read it as "Obese concert"

Zach Gates

@PhiNotPi The Act before Cut Time

Alex A.

@Optimizer Country music

Optimizer

country people are typically fit

PhiNotPi

How do you output both ls in that one act?

Optimizer

specially with all that cardio in the songs

Alex A.

17:42

lolwut

Zach Gates

It pushes an l to the stack, and duplicates it. @PhiNotPi

Optimizer

rodeo

PhiNotPi

The way I read it, it pushes l, outputs it, then duplicates something (the l is not on the stack because it was popped) but the duplicate is never outputted anywhere.

Zach Gates

Oh, it outputs at the very end now.

Oboe Concerto in C major ends an Act, which pushes the item to the stack as a character from the integer.

flawr

@ZachGates You should alter the specs of your programming language somewhat: The program should consist of a youtube playlist with all the corresponding concertos. For running the program the playlist must be played (in real time).

Alex A.

17:47

^ excellent idea

Zach Gates

@flawr Haha, take a whole day to run helloworld.sym

flawr

Wouldn't that be awesome? Always good music when debugging=)

Alex A.

If you implement multithreading, use YouTube doubler.

PhiNotPi

Okay, that's a major change to how it prints.

Alex A.

majar

Zach Gates

17:47

The above image (first Act) is essentially stack.append(chr((22 * 4) + 20)). @PhiNotPi

And then Cut Time is stack[-1:] = [stack[-1], stack[-]1]

PhiNotPi

(I'm on my phone)

Zach Gates

Oh

Alex A.

Em

Gee

flawr

Em = E-minor, but what is Gee?

randomra

Geese

aditsu

17:52

@flawr omg, are you serious? :p

Alex A.

Anybody remember when my avatar was a goose? That was a dark time.

Geobits

Gee is how you make horses go faster (if they're trained the usual way).

El'endia Starman

It's also the 7th letter in the English alphabet.

And the next letter is "whiz!".

Geobits

I thought whiz came after cheez.

randomra

jeez, guys

flawr

17:58

No I am not Sirius. I am not even Siri.

Geobits

What about Sir?

flawr

¡Si! ~~That would be acceptable.~~

El'endia Starman

What about Shirley?

Geobits

Surely that's acceptable.

Martin Büttner

@flawr :)

aditsu

18:04

@flawr oh, you're just being sillyous

flawr

Shore!

aditsu

owl writey than

flawr

I'll write you then.

I imagine everyone sitting on their desk trying to come up with a particularly silly witty punny thing to answer.

Geobits

Not fair, I had one lined up and was about to hit enter :(

Can't do it now...

flawr

> You can always mark it as quote.

Geobits

18:07

> > Hmm, maybe if it was nested it would throw people off.

:(

Not cool, chat. Not cool.

Optimizer

1 min ago, by flawr

> You can always mark it as quote.

flawr

> Because you can quote anything. And quotes make things seem way more credible.

14 secs ago, by flawr

1 min ago, by Optimizer

1 min ago, by flawr

> You can always mark it as quote.

aditsu

quotes make things seem way more credible [quotation needed]

Optimizer

36 secs ago, by flawr

14 secs ago, by flawr

1 min ago, by Optimizer

1 min ago, by flawr

> You can always mark it as quote.

we are reaching the "go do this in sandbox" limit

flawr

@aditsu Here you have your quotation:

57 secs ago, by aditsu

quotes make things seem way more credible [quotation needed]

Geobits

18:11

Guess the speaker:

> It's not how far apart in likes and dislikes we are; all that matters is what people say about us.

aditsu

Miley Cyrus

flawr

It can't be someone from faceboo, there are only likes.

randomra

Geobits

3

Optimizer

@Geobits so basically all that matters is what their app say about them?

Geobits

Yep, it's the co-founder of Peeple.

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18:17

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Q: A real sausage fest

Since the first weekend of October is drawing near, let's have our own Oktoberfest! Background You and some other programmers have been hired by the local sausage guys in Munich, Germany. The sausage guys provide Oktoberfest with all the sausages the giant Volksfest needs. You manage to overhea...

code-golf

Zach Gates

o.o

That title made me do a double-take

sweerpotato

:D

aditsu

I hope that's about actual sausages

flawr

What is a double-take?

Zach Gates

Really?

Geobits

18:19

taketake

It's a mushroom.

aditsu

better than shiitake?

Zach Gates

Even better the hetake

sweerpotato

@MartinBüttner you're WAY too fast at this :|

Geobits

He gave you a full ten minutes before answering ;)

Martin Büttner

@sweerpotato I only had to hit 37 keys, how long can it take? :P

sweerpotato

18:22

.. :D

Optimizer

no point, I was too late

Geobits

Since they're all top aligned and all use different top chars, all it seems you need to do is count occurrences of certain characters on the first line.

sweerpotato

..yep :~)!

Well, you COULD solve it that way

El'endia Starman

@flawr Because no one else answered your question...here's a great example:

Geobits

I guess that assumes all inputs are well-formed.

El'endia Starman

18:24

Geobits

That's much swoopier than my usual double take, but yea.

flawr

@El'endiaStarman Thanks, but what about triple-takes then?

El'endia Starman

This is more typical of a double-take:

Geobits

I think triple takes are best reserved for cartoon characters, so the eyes can actually pop out.

El'endia Starman

sweerpotato

18:26

Triple-take

El'endia Starman

I dunno how many takes this one is...

flawr

Next step quadruple-takes?

El'endia Starman

flawr

Or can we factor those into (double-take)^2?

Geobits

The ridiculousness of takes grows at approx O(n!).

flawr

18:27

So a duodecuple-take would be the same as (double-take)^2 * (triple-take)

Well, give-or-take.

sweerpotato

give-or-triple-take

flawr

or taake

Taake - "Nordbundet" Official Video

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Martin Büttner

> I haven't tested it yet, but it should work.

:/

sweerpotato

That confidence

Martin Büttner

in JavaScript... there is no excuse for not testing JavaScript before answering o.O

oh, it looks like he tested an ES5 version, and then converted it to ES6 without testing

I guess that's okay if you're using... Internet Explorer... or something...

Geobits

18:32

That's at least a bit of excuse if you're on mobile.

Optimizer

@MartinBüttner Chrome doesn't support most golfing features of ES6, neither does Opera/Edge/Safari

sweerpotato

@flawr I love Norwegian metal

flawr

WTF

Martin Büttner

@Optimizer I didn't see any golfing feature except arrow functions.

flawr

Helicopter crash in Switzerland - crash hélico en Suisse

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Optimizer

18:35

@MartinBüttner i dunno, you didn't link. Still since arrow functions are only supported on Firefox .. its not really that easy to test ..

Martin Büttner

@Optimizer Arrow functions are supported in Chrome (have been for a few weeks)

flawr

@sweerpotato They do have a ton of great bands=)

aditsu

@sweerpotato @MartinBüttner pastebin.com/18KV1Nwn

Optimizer

@MartinBüttner ah, they landed already ? I use dev, so I had them since long

aditsu

(the umlaut characters were lost in encoding, I tried to restore them with google's help)

flawr

18:40

@sweerpotato Trollfest are the best=)

TrollfesT - Toxic (Britney Spears cover)

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sweerpotato

@aditsu is that TRANSCRIPT? :D

aditsu

haha, looks like it could be :) but it's an actual transcript from a mud

(edited a little to remove irrelevant stuff)

Zach Gates

I implemented ROT_LT (left) and ROT_RT (right) (rotate top three elements).

I'll be back in a bit

My impact jumped from 29k to 53k....

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19:11

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

The Cake Cutting Contest king-of-the-hill It's my 17th birthday and you're invited to my party! And as always at parties, there will be cake. One cake... And you need as much of it as possible. As this is a fair party, each of us will say how much of my cake we want and the person who said...

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0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Fill the grid! A challenge with simple rules but non-trivial algorithms. :-) Task Take input in the form of space-separated integers: N A B S Where N is the side length of a 2D square matrix filled with unique numbers (integers) between A and B inclusive. For each row and column in this mat...

Optimizer

19:28

Another school shooting

:(

Alex A.

:(

aditsu

is that even news anymore?

Optimizer

Did I call it?

US right now

Geobits

It's about once a week this year, just for schools. Not counting others :(

Alex A.

:(

aditsu

19:31

@Geobits exactly..

sorry for multi-pings

Optimizer

Thursday night is shooting night?

Alex A.

@Optimizer Countries with sensible gun control laws right now: "Go do whatever. You're fine."

Geobits

HuffPo has a calendar. I don't like them much, but I assume these are verifiable with other sources:

Alex A.

Jesus, 45??

Optimizer

who are the shooters here? mostly the students?

aditsu

19:34

mass shooting in other countries -> ban guns
mass shooting in the US -> need more guns in more places

Optimizer

mass shooting in the US -> ban black people

Alex A.

That would be funny if there wasn't some truth to it.

Optimizer

I am not trying to be funny this time

Alex A.

I know

Optimizer

now I feel like the porn ban here was so much more sensible...

Geobits

19:37

Did it stop masturbation or something?

Optimizer

nah. they were linking it with increased sexual violence

although it was reverted back soon enough.

Geobits

Ah. Yea, I can't imagine it would be a good fix for that.

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Q: Math in manhattan

I define the following operators: Manhattan Addition a +M b, for single-digit numbers, is the result of concatenating b onto a. So, a +M b = 10a + b. Therefore, the general operator +M is defined as thus: a +M b = 10a + b Manhattan Subtraction a –M b, for single-digit numbers, is the result of...

code-golf math number-theory

flawr

Lets ban numbers.

aditsu

Zach Gates

19:46

Back

Sven The Surfer

woo

Alex A.

@flawr But how will we do math?

flawr

shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2015

@AlexA. Math does not need numbers.

Alex A.

That's a good point.

How will we do applied statistics?

flawr

We won't.

Zach Gates

19:48

Memphis had the first mass shooting of the year ;-;

Geobits

Statistics are only for people who want to prove a point.

Zach Gates

Probably in Orange Mound

Geobits

Any point.

aditsu

@flawr scary how many are unknown

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Q: "Fill the Grid" Problem

A challenge with simple rules but non-trivial algorithms. :-) Task Take input in the form of space-separated integers: N A B S Where N is the side length of a 2D square matrix filled with unique numbers (integers) between A and B inclusive. For each row and column in this matrix, the sum is ...

code-golf

Zach Gates

19:49

@flawr The majority are most likely gang violence

flawr

Thanks to the internet, I do not believe any sentences that start with "Statistics show (...)" or "Scientists found (...)"

Alex A.

@flawr Well there goes my degree and job prospects...

flawr

@ZachGates Gang violence does not count?

Zach Gates

Where does it say that? (the site is down so I can't see it)

flawr

@AlexA. Do not worry, no numbers => no money.

Alex A.

19:53

@sweerpotato I'm very tempted to make a sausage tag and add it to your challenge.

sweerpotato

:DD

"Problems related to tubed meat or general sausages"

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Alex A.

Haha

flawr

@AlexA. Just do it!

Alex A.

As a moderator I should set a good example, as much as that pains me.

flawr

Why does creating a new tag pain you?

Geobits

19:58

On the topic of US gun craziness, here's a flyer I saw at a community center park a couple months ago:

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