The Nineteenth Byte

feersum

2:00 AM

@quartata What is "current chain number"?

quartata

That's for when chains are broken

Sp3000

Wait, how would input not being a set be worse for itertools?

quartata

It'll start at 1, and then if an answer is posted that isn't cracked in 7 days we start a new chain and the number goes up

feersum

It doesn't check for duplicates

quartata

That way answers don't get confuzzled

Zach Gates

2:01 AM

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feersum

but since we're already calling list() on its output, it would help itertools if duplicates were a problem

quartata

@ZachGates Kek

Sp3000

Oh, I meant the fact that it's an actual set object, so you could do -{...}

Zach Gates

> Blue with a hint of your mother

feersum

Yeah, so set helps non-itertools solution

Sp3000

2:05 AM

The other possibility for itertools being useful I can think of is groupby, but I can't think of any relevant challenges on the spot

El'endia Starman

@ZachGates (If anyone is confused by this, it's from the xkcd color survey.)

minxomat

> A couple dozen people embedded SQL ‘drop table’ statements in the color names. Nice try, kids.

Zach Gates

2:21 AM

I think I have salmonella

Geobits

Well that came out of nowhere.

quartata

@minxomat I while back I went to a place where you had to put in your name and email address in order to get free wifi. I put in Billy; DROP TABLE * and a fake e-mail address. I don't think it worked

Geobits

Vomiting, etc?

quartata

Stupid smart free wifi gits

@ZachGates Uh oh

silence

Is he ok?

cdc.gov/salmonella

Here

feersum

@quartata Back on the topic of your question, it still doesn't handle the case of a different valid crack than the intended one

Also, since humans are involved, it will frequently occur that they don't produce the same hash, even for the same program

They'll have an extra trailing \n or not, \n vs. \r\n, etc.

quartata

2:26 AM

@feersum I think unfortunately there's no way to handle different valid cracks since we don't know the output

And as far as bad hashes

We could write a script that strips out all newlines invisible chars whitespace and lowercases everything and then calculate the hash

That's not too hard

Anyways gtg byte

Zach Gates

Dear god my stomach

Geobits

I think the recommended treatment for salmonella is old chicken salad.

Either that or fluids and sleep. Can never remember which.

Zach Gates

2:49 AM

Currently flailing in agony

Zach Gates

3:05 AM

@Geobits The inverse

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Source code ecological footprint You've just been hired by a german car manufacturing company. Your first task as an engineer is to write a program that computes the ecological footprint of source code. The ecological footprint of a character is computed as follows (you can assume the source co...

PhiNotPi

I just f*cking bricked my laptop.

Dennis

How?

PhiNotPi

Installation crashed, somehow

I can't even open BIOS settings

It freezes at the Dell screen.

Dennis

UEFI?

PhiNotPi

3:17 AM

It's a newer laptop but an older model (windows 7) I think it has both UEFI and "legacy" with legacy the default.

Dennis

Huh. If it's set to legacy, an installation shouldn't be able to mess with the BIOS.

PhiNotPi

Well, what if it was actually set to UEFI?

Dennis

In certain setups, you can access UEFI only from within the OS, but I don't think that's even possible with Windows 7.

Zach Gates

3:37 AM

Was that comment for me or OP? @Geobits

Geobits

OP

Zach Gates

Do you think the rollback was needed? I don't want to overestimate my perceived contribution

Geobits

Needed? Probably not. A lot of it was stylistic IMO, so it could go either way for me. In those cases it's almost never worth worrying about if they roll it back.

Dennis

@Sp3000 Are you still working on the cluster size challenge?

Sp3000

Slowly, yes. I could probably be in the lead temporarily if I pick something like BF, but I was hoping to avoid that...

Geobits

3:41 AM

As in "Well I tried to make it a bit better, but if you insist...". If a rollback actively hurts the quality, it might be worth caring about.

Zach Gates

@Geobits Alright, thanks

Dennis

@Sp3000 OK. I just wanted to know if I should still wait before accepting an answer. I usually do that after 7 days of inactivity, but this is no ordinary code golf.

Sp3000

Ah, right - thanks :) Sorry for taking so long

Dennis

No worries. Taking your time seems to be worth it. 9 tasks in 218 bytes is impressive.

Zach Gates

He ended up reinstating my changes @Geobits

Geobits

3:48 AM

I noticed, or at least most of them. It happens :)

Zach Gates

(the more important changes)

Zach Gates

4:02 AM

How can I split a string into characters in CJam?.. @Dennis .. :) ?

Dennis

By doing nothing. :P A string is nothing but an array of characters.

Zach Gates

Oh, awesome! Nevermind :3

Geobits

"damnCJam".toCharArray()

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Zach Gates

4:20 AM

I don't think I was clear

"ABC" --> [A B C] @Dennis

So I can map a block to each character

Dennis

Yes, that's precisely what I understood. ['A 'B 'C] and "ABC" are literally the same thing.

"ABC"{...}% works just fine.

Zach Gates

Oh, ok

Dennis

What are you trying to do?

Zach Gates

Character to ordinal

Dennis

"ABC":i

Doesn't even require a block.

Zach Gates

4:23 AM

Oh, dang

What if I take the string as an input? q:i?

Dennis

Yes, that works.

Optimizer

6:46 AM

and you don't even have to do that if you eventually want to do base conversion on the ordinals

Optimizer

9:28 AM

wow

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Q: Counting Cunningham chains

Prime numbers have always fascinated people. 2300 years ago Euclid wrote in his "Elements" A prime number is that which is measured by a unit alone. which means that a prime is only divisible by 1. People have always looked for relations between prime numbers, and have come up with some pr...

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10:48 AM

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Q: The Doughnut Shop™

Being short of cash, you have signed up to build donuts for The Doughnut Shop™, the biggest digital doughnut company in the world, mostly because they sell every size of doughnut imaginable. Now, given that trading standards nowadays is very tough, you need to write a piece of code as short as p...

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Optimizer

11:10 AM

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Q: Source code ecological footprint

You've just been hired by a German car manufacturing company. Your first task, as an engineer, is to write a program that computes the ecological footprint of source code. The ecological footprint of a character is computed as follows (you can assume the source code is ASCII-encoded): Write ...

code-golf

Optimizer

11 questions in the last 24 hrs \o/

Doorknob

11:31 AM

:D

Rainbolt

1:04 PM

If you had to guess what network someone would ask the question, "Can I choose not to fly?", what network would you guess?

Geobits

Arqade

Or Board/Card Games

Rainbolt

linky boardgames.stackexchange.com/q/27039/6692

Geobits

Or RPGs

Or Worldbuilding (but that's cheating, since that's an answer to anything)

Oh, or Lifehacks

Maybe Travel

Sp3000

Travel seems pretty reasonable :P

Rainbolt

I should have brought a buzzer and a bell so he would know when to stop guessing...

Geobits

1:06 PM

Buzzers.se

Sp3000

If the question had been in quotes, it could also have been ELU

Rainbolt

The question is in quotes...

2 mins ago, by Rainbolt

If you had to guess what network someone would ask the question, "Can I choose not to fly?", what network would you guess?

Sp3000

No I mean the actual question title itself

Rainbolt

Oh okay. Like ""Can I choose not to fly?""

Sp3000

^^ that

(e.g. like this question title)

Rainbolt

1:09 PM

I don't know too much about that site

But my best question is closed

Well nevermind. Apparently one of my other questions shot up above it

But seriously... how is this off topic? english.stackexchange.com/q/169985/72792

Sp3000

Hm... so some sites have "general reference" as a close reason, interesting...

Rainbolt

Whatev. Just means I won't be using them as a general reference.

Sp3000

(btw this title guessing could be a fun game - which network has a question title "Unnamed faces in my oven"?)

Rainbolt

Imagine if SO had a general reference close reason. "Sorry, but everybody knows this already. Go away."

Sp3000

Hmm I'd expect that they'd allow the first one, then close the rest as dupes instead actually, now that you put it that way

Different sites work differently, I suppose

Geobits

1:15 PM

For a long time, "not constructive" seemed to be used that way quite often on SO.

Optimizer

everytime I mention that my sandbox post did not get any feedback yet, it gets downvoted ...

but still no feedback..

Geobits

Which one? I might not have downvoted it yet, and I'd like to fix that :P

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Optimizer

I guess that's what I get for mentioning Beta Decay in the post...

@Geobits "whose llama is it anyways"

Sp3000

Not my type of challenge, but I think it looks okay

The only thing is that you'd need very good test images for it to be interesting, such that there's a lot of ways to place the llama and still have it make sense

Geobits

Hmm. I'm unsure. You may be getting voted down because it seems at first glance like an art contest.

I'm torn, because it really could depend on the test images and/or answers it gets.

Sp3000

1:20 PM

Hm... question: Should the placement be deterministic?

Geobits

.0

wth...

Oh crap. Looks like my dog found my keyboard again.

Optimizer

@Geobits it is an art contest.

aditsu

Optimizer

@Sp3000 may or may not. depends on the algorithm.

Geobits

@Optimizer If you see it mostly as an art contest, why are you surprised by the lack of enthusiasm? They're generally frowned upon, with a few exceptions.

Optimizer

1:24 PM

@Geobits are they? Martin's and CH's ones were really really popular.

and I know many others

Geobits

@aditsu He's a beagle. You'd have better luck finding a way to control the smell-generator card.

Optimizer

so definetely not "just" exceptions

Sp3000

@Optimizer I'm just a little worried because, relatively speaking, it's easy to implement a random algorithm and handpick the best ones

Geobits

^

Optimizer

@Sp3000 so you are saying that it should only be restricted to deterministic ones?

Geobits

1:26 PM

This isn't coming up with a small algorithm to tweet, or creating a voronoi image. It's "Place this picture on this other picture."

Optimizer

well, voronoi image could also be randomly generated and then the best ones could be handpicked and posted..

Rainbolt

Is nobody going to mention how difficult it would be for a dogs paws to press .0[return]

Sp3000

I think deterministic is better, but I dunno

Geobits

@Rainbolt Well, they're all next to each other on the numpad at least :)

Sp3000

The thing about Voronoi is that it's harder to generate though, whereas with this the only variables are position, scale and rotation

Rainbolt

1:27 PM

Oh right. I forgot about numpads

Optimizer

@Rainbolt his dog has better memory than you ..

Rainbolt

I only have 16 GB

I spend most of it on Minecraft

Zach Gates

1:50 PM

Time to fail a physics test D:

Rainbolt

2:20 PM

I feel slightly bad for making a joke out of another person's English but I cannot stop laughing at "I am new for programming, so know i need to learning java programing from starch." from this question

I'm going to feel worse if starch is actually a programming thing...

Zach Gates

> from starch

Geobits

2:46 PM

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A: Does the wind direction affect the audibility of distant sounds?

the doctor will come the doctor will come the doctor will come ThE dOcToR wIlL cOmE THE DOCTOR WILL COME THE DOCTOR WILL COME THE DOCTOR WILL COME

^ posted by BADWOLF

I don't understand people's motivation for things like that.

undergroundmonorail

3:44 PM

codegolf.stackexchange.com/revisions/58692/6 any objections?

i mean i already did it but if there are objections it can be reverted

Geobits

I meant to do that earlier but got sidetracked :)

Beta Decay

4:41 PM

Haha, 206 poor sods use Yahoo instead of Google :D

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Shoot the ASCII Moon code-golf restricted-source (Previously on "Print the __ without using __" ... this one and this one) The game of Hearts has a popular scoring variant called "Shooting the Moon," where by instead of trying to not acquire penalty cards (and thus penalty points), as is the u...

Geobits

+0.

quartata

?

Geobits

The dog is starting to make sense when he types. This is scary.

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Beta Decay

Looks like a Golfscript-Pyth hybrid

quartata

4:45 PM

Oh lol

Beta Decay

0. = 0 0

+0 0 = 0

Alex A.

I thought he was talking about the sandboxed post.

Geobits

^ that's what I mean. He might be.

Alex A.

You should keep an eye on your dog's online activity. He might create his own account.

Even worse, he might join an online dog dating site.

Beta Decay

This is why you shouldn't give your dog a smartbone

Geobits

4:48 PM

fetch.com

Alex A.

Like this

@Geobits Is that real, like dogpile.com?

Geobits

I dunno, I just wanted a pun on match.com.

Alex A.

Oh, I didn't get that.

Geobits

Yea, not my best work.

It seems to redirect to connotate.com for me for some reason anyway.

Beta Decay

Hmmm fetch.com isn't owned...

Alex A.

4:50 PM

Now's your chance to create a dog dating site.

Or a dog-themed search engine to compete with dogpile.

Needs a better name

neigh.horse is free

Maybe not... :P

what

redrover.com (won't you come over?)

Optimizer

4:51 PM

scoobydoobie.doo (where are you?)

Geobits

@BetaDecay I can't imagine that's not already taken.

Alex A.

scoobydoobledate.com

There's your dog dating site

Geobits

That sounds terrible though :P

Beta Decay

@Geobits Gah double negatives!

Geobits

Parse it out, you can do this :)

Alex A.

4:53 PM

We believe in you!

Beta Decay

dogsbestfriend.com

Geobits

@AlexA. Well, yes. That's true.

Alex A.

Most things are though.

Even Bing.

Geobits

Then why do you have so many wrong opinions?

3

Alex A.

what

Geobits

4:54 PM

Pineapples, tabs, fish, etc...

Alex A.

Don't get me wrong, pineapple is fine. Just not on pizza.

Optimizer

pineapple
pizza

Geobits

Hmm, I see. I thought "Most things are" was a reply to "That's true", not "That's better then POB".

Alex A.

Oh, now I'm less confused.

Beta Decay

@AlexA. This'll be coming the post for you ;)

Alex A.

4:56 PM

Gross

Optimizer

alex-is-confused

Geobits

That shirt is just awful, regardless of your stance on pineapple pizza.

Alex A.

^

Beta Decay

I agree

Any pizza shirt would be terrible

Alex A.

Geobits

4:58 PM

Stoner bait

Alex A.

Hahaha what?

Beta Decay

What human is shaped like that?!

Alex A.

The kind that wears pizza pajamas.

Geobits

Alex A.

Took me a second.

I thought, "Why does that pizza look like a pile of... oh."

Geobits

5:02 PM

:D

Optimizer

awww its so cute

Beta Decay

It looks so happy :D

Optimizer

its finally out and free!

Beta Decay

... O.o

Beta Decay

5:25 PM

I hate being the last message... It makes me think that I've killed the conversation :(

Sven The Surfer

What's the deal with airplane peanuts?

3

Geobits

I know, right? And the packages are so small.

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Q: Make me a scrolling marquee

Introduction Remember the roaring 80's? I mean, you know, like 30 years ago? No cell phones, no internet, no ATM's, fluorescent clothing (what was that?!) and scrolling marqee's! No, no, no! Not the online ones, but real ones, With LED lights. Since I'm in a nostalgic mood, I'd like you to c...

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PhiNotPi

@AlexA. If you haven't heard, I bricked my laptop yesterday while trying the dual-boot thing.

Now I've got one to borrow.

But I'm shipping that other one back to Dell.

I'm going to give up on linux for now.

Geobits

Don't worry, linux won't give up on you. When you're ready to come back, it'll be there waiting >_>

Beta Decay

Which Linux were you trying @Phi?

Alex A.

6:30 PM

@BetaDecay ElementaryOS

@PhiNotPi I haven't heard! I'm sorry, that sucks! D:

(haha got the face backwards at first)

Beta Decay

:D:D:D:

Alex A.

6:53 PM

Who here likes dumb, meaningless quizzes???

Beta Decay

@AlexA. Is it bad that I've never heard any of the songs in the first question? :P

Alex A.

One of them isn't a song and one of them is Weird Al.

The other two I'm entirely unfamiliar with.

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Elementary Cellular Automata, My Dear Watson code-golf A seemingly innocent dinner party composed of elementary cellular automata has just been turned into a murder mystery. One of the cellular automaton guests has killed the host! All that remains as evidence for who committed the crime is the ...

Beta Decay

@AlexA. Well that's reassuring :D

Alex A.

I got "a bowl of Lucky Charms" as the result of my quiz.

Not sure how to feel about that.

undergroundmonorail

7:09 PM

I figured out a shorter Befunge Hello World than the one in the catalogue :D

Alex A.

Post it

undergroundmonorail

I commented it

It's a trivial improvement over the existing one, I don't want to take credit

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Word grids - generating and solving I love code-golf, specifically I particularly enjoy string challenges, but I also like path-finding and (although I've never successfully participated in one) I like the integration of the king-of-the-hill style challenges too! I'd like a way to incorporate ...

Sven The Surfer

@undergroundmonorail Over 5% improved and you call that trivial‽

undergroundmonorail

;)

PhiNotPi

7:36 PM

@AlexA. I'm really at a loss for what to do about my computer.... I've arranged for it to be shipped back to Dell, but I'm afraid I'll lose whatever was on that drive. (I've backed up important files, but I'm talking more about the stuff that was installed on the drive)

I'm also not exactly sure how BIOS itself ended up broken.

Alex A.

How old is your computer?

PhiNotPi

Got it last month, from my university

Alex A.

Oh jeez. And it's a Dell you said?

In my experience they don't make the best computers but they should at least last more than a month.

PhiNotPi

If, say, grub had gotten corrupted and I could only boot from live media, then I would at least understand what happened, but it's not even that

Optimizer

ASUS's latest laptop has the desktop version of GTX 980

(instead of usual M (mobile) version)

PhiNotPi

7:39 PM

I can't even open the F12 boot options or F2 boot menu.

Geobits

Sometimes you can fix BIOS problems with a medium application of hammer. Have you tried that?

PhiNotPi

no

Alex A.

Probably voids the warranty.

Btw, do you have a warranty on it?

PhiNotPi

Yes, complete care 4-year

Geobits

Knowing Dell, trying to dual boot probably voids the warranty T_T

Optimizer

7:40 PM

Why? He was just Dell booting it

PhiNotPi

They separate their software and hardware warranties.

Geobits

Oh that's good at least.

Alex A.

Are the programs you had installed on the drive ones which you can recover via physical media (i.e. installation discs) or licenses sent via email or something?

PhiNotPi

Finale will probably take a call to their customer support.

Mathematica I can transfer easily.

Alex A.

How did you install Finale?

PhiNotPi

7:46 PM

It took a decent amount of effort to get a hold of the correct Dell service person.

Finale via a physical disk, but it requires activation that is synced with their database.

Alex A.

I think they make getting ahold of tech support difficult on purpose so that people won't call them.

quartata

Can confirm

Alex A.

Why, do you work for Dell?

PhiNotPi

Well, I first tried calling a service number I found, but landed myself in India, with a response of update my account information and try again in 2-3 business days.

Then I decided, this must not be the "right" place to go.

Then I found dell's online chat technical help line.

Which actually involved me writing a description of my problem and being placed in a hardware-specific service queue.

Followed by some slow shuffling around to get into the queue for laptop hardware.

Geobits

Still sounds better than Comcast so far.

PhiNotPi

7:52 PM

And then finally found myself in chat with someone who actually handled my problem.

^ big difference from Comcast

Geobits

:D

quartata

No but because I've dealt with Dell so many times I've learned the mind of my enemy

Geobits

Ah, the Sun Tzu approach. Very clever.

quartata

Yes

Sven The Surfer

My favourite part of any automated phone system is smashing all the buttons and shouting to get to a real person.

Alex A.

7:54 PM

When I moved and changed the address associated with my Comcast account, they canceled my email address. I called and they were like, "Oh, you wanted to keep that too?" ಠ_ಠ

Beta Decay

@SvenTheSurfer That works?

Sven The Surfer

@BetaDecay It sure does.

Geobits

I moved this spring and they cancelled my whole account without telling me instead of transferring it. I now have a totally different account.

quartata

Typically I've found that counting from 1 will bully the phone system into submission.

Alex A.

When I first set up the account, nothing worked because they had my last name wrong. ಠ_ಠ

quartata

7:56 PM

(Nice reference lel +10 nerd rep)

Alex A.

@quartata ?

@Geobits They did a similar thing with me.

Sven The Surfer

@BetaDecay This, however, is a much better approach.

PhiNotPi

And, I was like "here's my serial numbers, it won't boot at all, etc." and they were like "sounds like it could be a motherboard issue, would you like to ship it to one of our depots to be fixed?" And the return box is already shipping.

Geobits

@SvenTheSurfer That cannot possibly be better than smashing buttons and yelling.

PhiNotPi

^took too long to type and is now totally out of context

^applies to itself

Sven The Surfer

7:59 PM

@Geobits To each his phone.

Geobits

That's the problem with smartphones, though. You can't really smash buttons, hang up, or slam the receiver on the desk when you're mad.

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