The Nineteenth Byte

Geobits

19:00

@flawr No, I was writing mine while you were editing your original. I posted it and it refreshed the comment, so I deleted mine.

flawr

Ah I saw '1 more comment' but when I clicked it it disappeared. But I really never understood the true meaning of *ninja'd*, I think I need a proper definition=)

perhaps something like "you've ninja'd someone if you say the same thing as they do, but faster" ?

Martin Büttner

@flawr you've ninja'd someone if you say the same thing as they do, but faster

TheNumberOne

If you are traveling 99% the speed of light away from the earth, and you turn on a flashlight pointing in your direction of travel, how fast do the light rays travel relative to you.

Geobits

How official do you want? Martin's word is law (obviously), but here's another "source": urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ninja%27d

@TheNumberOne You don't care, because you're dead already.

Sven The Surfer

@Geobits With that attitude...

Geobits

19:05

He didn't say anything about a ship. Just sayin', naked near-light-speed travel probably isn't comfortable :P

Optimizer

@TheNumberOne you have achieved the pinnacle of scientific discovery and all you care about is a flashlight?

TheNumberOne

@Optimizer No, only the light rays coming from the flashlight.

Optimizer

I would rather stop instantly to see a blackhole forming due to the massive amount of force and then escape that blackhole by warping through its center to the other dimension..

flawr

If we are already talking about black holes: spaghettization is what you need to know about.

TheNumberOne

@Optimizer There are easier ways to make a blackhole.

Geobits

19:07

I think stopping instantly would be far more uncomfortable than the travel itself.

Optimizer

@TheNumberOne "alleged"

flawr

@TheNumberOne For example in the very back of the desk drawer at the very bottom of my desk there must be one. Nothing ever came out of there.

Geobits

All you really need to do is throw a few stars together, right? How hard could that be?

Martin Büttner

one is potentially enough

(depending on the star)

Geobits

I'm trying to figure out how to throw a star at itself :)

Martin Büttner

19:14

let me know when you do

Optimizer

we can just wait millions of years for Sol to become one

Geobits

@MartinBüttner You'll probably notice.

Martin Büttner

@Optimizer not going to happen

Optimizer

@MartinBüttner touche

Martin Büttner

our sun won't even become become a neutron star

Optimizer

19:15

I am pretty sure that our science has not evolved yet to know that for a fact

Martin Büttner

sure it has

Chandrasekhar limit

The Chandrasekhar limit (/tʃʌndrəˈʃeɪkɑr/) is the maximum mass of a stable white dwarf star. The limit was first indicated in papers published by Wilhelm Anderson and E. C. Stoner, and was named after Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar, the Indian astrophysicist who independently discovered and improved upon the accuracy of the calculation in 1930, at the age of 19, in India. This limit was initially ignored by the community of scientists because such a limit would logically require the existence of black holes, which were considered a scientific impossibility at the time. White dwarfs resist gravitational...

Geobits

There's just not enough mass.

Optimizer

we have not seen any star's full life cycle.

its all based on theories

Martin Büttner

@Optimizer so is gravity, right? :P

Optimizer

gravity is practical.

Geobits

19:16

So are black holes?

Optimizer

yes (as per the claims)

but then, who knows.

I am just saying that I am all up for possibilities different that what current theories suggest

orlp

one of my gripes

with current astrophysics

is that a lot of it sounds like overfitting

'oh shit our theories totally fall apart - every galaxy should drift apart'

'let's invent 'dark matter' that keeps shit together'

Geobits

My main gripe is that the more I read about astrophysics, the less likely I feel it is that I will ever live off-Earth :(

orlp

'but we can't possibly test that, we can't observe dark matter'

'isn't that great? :D'

@Geobits I think our only hope for interstellar travel is if we somehow become capable of bending space

it's clear that with the expanding universe any velocity-based transport is doomed to fail

Geobits

Yea... :( Like I said, the more I read the more unlikely that sounds.

Martin Büttner

19:21

@orlp off-Earth doesn't really require interstellar travel

flawr

@orlp is there non-velocity based transort?

orlp

@MartinBüttner fair enough

Sven The Surfer

@Geobits Why live off-Earth? I can't think of a better planet.

xnor

is there a short way to take the greater of two numbers in Pyth?

orlp

@flawr wormholes, alcubierre drive, etc

@xnor eS,ab

Geobits

19:22

@SvenTheSurfer Because why not? I like traveling :D

xnor

@orlp yeesh, 3 chars

Optimizer

@SvenTheSurfer because we don't know one yet

@xnor e> get wreckt :P

orlp

@Optimizer either that's very positive

(e.g. we will discover better planets)

or every negative

(we will fuck up earth incredibly)

Optimizer

^ gonna happen

Geobits

I think #2's more likely :P

Martin Büttner

19:24

@orlp likely both

Optimizer

@Geobits ninja'd :P

Geobits

The problem with discovering a better planet is that then we have to actually get to it for it to matter.

There certainly isn't a better one nearby.

Optimizer

agreed, also, with current viewing tech. we would probably be looking at atleast millions of years old picture..

Martin Büttner

@Geobits maybe we could terraform one

Optimizer

and there is no way that a space mission to the planet will be sanctioned given that we have no idea how the planet looks like now.

xnor

19:25

@Optimizer how does that work?

Geobits

@MartinBüttner That would be awesome. We'd have to be careful, though, or we'll mess up the sandworm ecosystem. The spice must flow.

Martin Büttner

@xnor in cjam

Optimizer

for all we know.. some other alien species is right now looking at million year old Earth and getting all excited about how rich of resources and natural beauty it is! :D

Martin Büttner

@Optimizer xkcd.com/1342

@Geobits oh yeah... we also don't want to ruin those nice floating islands

orlp

what annoys me about the universe

is that is seems very, very, very, very, very big

but actually really, really, really young

Optimizer

19:28

its all relative

orlp

consider this

Geobits

That means it's going very, very, really, really fast.

orlp

age of the universe is ~14 billion years old

Optimizer

there might be a full universe inside each quark of averything we know..

orlp

but the oldest life is ~3.5 billion years old

(on earth)

mbomb007

19:29

@orlp Meh, not proven. Nobody observed life that long ago and carbon dating doesn't actually work.

@MartinBüttner I just had a great idea. You should add a configuration option to Retina to convert all decimal numbers in the input to unary.

orlp

@mbomb007 neither is the age of the universe

but they're the best known estimates

mbomb007

@orlp I'd say all estimates are fair game when nobody has any evidence to back it up.

Martin Büttner

@mbomb007 I've been considering this for a while (github.com/mbuettner/retina/issues/18) ... I don't think a configuration option is the best solution though. I'm considering adding a dedicated stage for it. or maybe a replacement syntax command like rs did... or maybe all of those.

orlp

ok another example

I will live for ~100 years, assuming no significant advancements/deacceleration in medicine and living standards

that's around 1e-9 of the universe's age

but look at the diameter of the earth, the approximate size of living space I will live on

that's around 1e-20 of the observable universe

Martin Büttner

"Randall Munroe said it's okay to do maths like this. Really."

orlp

19:33

from my point of perspective the universe is ~10 orders of magnitude bigger than me than it is older than me

Zach Gates

I'm back. Got homer sooner than expected too

mbomb007

@MartinBüttner Or maybe a configuration string for the replacement file? Then you could at least do run-length encoding of Unary for replacement of each decimal? I'm not really sure of the best way to do Decimal-to-Unary in the current version...

Martin Büttner

@mbomb007 decimal-to-unary is still a pain at the moment

mbomb007

@MartinBüttner Can you send me a link to the github page for rs?

Martin Büttner

github.com/kirbyfan64/rs

mbomb007

19:42

@orlp I think it's far easier to believe that the universe was intelligently created 10K years ago than the current big bang theory, where they say that at the beginning the universe was a tiny point of immense energy and mass, and that the bang came from nowhere. Well, where did the mass and energy come from? What initiated the "bang"? Especially considering the fact that scientists are so quick to include dis-proven material in textbooks that are being used today.

Sven The Surfer

Too controversial, bus driver steer away, quick!

TheNumberOne

@mbomb007 Alternatively, the "bang" itself could have been created intelligently.

orlp

@mbomb007 I'm afraid that how easy it is to believe is not the metric to go by

scientists use the metric: 'how easy is it to disprove, and how much have we tried to disprove it, but failed?'

Zach Gates

@TheNumberOne I agree. It makes more sense that "an intelligent something-or-other created a 'big bang'" rather than "it just happened".

orlp

intelligent design utterly fails in that metric

because it can not be disproven

@mbomb007 youtube.com/watch?v=vKA4w2O61Xo

it's not the believable things that educate you

it's the rejection of wrong conjectures that provide you with information

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aditsu

19:52

apparently it's easier to believe something that's been proven wrong a thousand times, than something that's not fully explained yet

Zach Gates

BRB, smoke break.

orlp

@mbomb007 it's easy to believe all swans are white

because every swan you see that is white confirms that belief

Martin Büttner

@orlp that's pretty amazing (I think I've read about this experiment in some book, but it's nice to have it as a video to point to)

orlp

however, if you go to australia you will find a black swan

just seeing that single animal will provide you with more information than looking at billions of white swans will

mbomb007

@orlp I've seen much more evidence disproving the big bang theory than I have disproving there's a God.

orlp

19:55

@mbomb007 that's because it's impossible to disprove there's a god

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orlp

hence it's not useful

Sven The Surfer

I'm confused, so if I go to Australia, I will see the big bang?

mbomb007

If anyone's interested, I added an esolangs page for rs: esolangs.org/wiki/Rs

It's only a stub.

orlp

I'm an agnost

I'm not claiming there is no god, no heaven, no hell

Martin Büttner

19:56

*ic?

orlp

however, I claim that I can not possibly know, and I can therefore not be held responsible for not having that knowledge

any rational god will see that there was no way for me to know it existed, and if he acknowledges that, but still sends me to hell, that god is cruel and unjust

note that it's just as easy to construct an evil god, with just as much proof as the biblical god (read: none), that will send only bad people to heaven, and good people to hell

neither god can be disproven

aditsu

@orlp not if he revealed himself

orlp

@aditsu at that point we will have to go one meta level deeper

'can your senses be trusted'

TheNumberOne

@orlp I trust my senses.

orlp

@TheNumberOne have you ever used any hallucinogenics?

TheNumberOne

20:02

no

orlp

if you did, you'd know that your senses can't always be trusted

mbomb007

@orlp One doesn't need drugs to fool the senses.

orlp

@mbomb007 it was just a construction to show that your senses can not invariably be trusted

mbomb007

There are plenty of optical illusions capable

aditsu

if you deny your senses, you can deny anything and everything, e.g. your mother

Sven The Surfer

20:02

@mbomb007 Then should I do with all these drugs...

Martin Büttner

@mbomb007 Do you agree that the speed of light is finite and unchanging and that the known universe is some billion light years across?

orlp

@aditsu this is not true

we're not that meta yet

my 'belief' structure is that my logic is consistent

all my knowledge consists of conditions -> consequents

e.g. IF ZFC is consistent and two integers 1, 1 THEN 1+1 = 2

aditsu

@orlp so then you would only deny god because you choose to deny god

orlp

IF current theory of gravity is correct, and that apple I see is truly a physical object THEN apple will fall to the ground

the next meta level of philosophy is the most disturbing

'is your internal logic consistent'

'can your mind be trusted?'

@aditsu no, I would deny god because one of my core morals is Occam's Razer

Martin Büttner

@orlp xkcd.com/1163

aditsu

20:07

ok, then you are saying there is no possible situation in which god is the simplest explanation

TheNumberOne

Explain Christ then.

orlp

@aditsu belief in god requires one additional axiom that agnosticism doesn't require

that is: 'god exists'

Martin Büttner

(@mbomb007 I want to clarify that I didn't mean to offend you in any way. I was genuinely interested in an answer.)

orlp

don't get me wrong, I'm not against any religion, as long as everyone does not enforce anyone's beliefs on someone else

Optimizer

@orlp science is fake.. you have to believe it!

orlp

20:11

@Optimizer you have to believe the logic is consistent

outside of that there are no beliefs involved, if the science and maths is done right

Optimizer

@orlp stop enforcing your beliefs on me you hypocrite!

:P

aditsu

@orlp ok, well, then I don't know who the current US president is, because believing it's Barack Obama requires a bunch of additional axioms, such as "Obama exists"

Optimizer

Obama care

TheNumberOne

@orlp Some scriptures concerning this topic: pastebin.com/0NEtgXNQ

orlp

@aditsu that's not true

you could travel to the united states, and figure out for yourself

aditsu

20:14

only if I get to see him, past security and stuff, and even then, can I trust my senses? :p

orlp

you could evaluate sources, find if you can reasonably trust them, and use those

if there is absolutely no one you can trust, no sources to find, impossible to travel, and you still believe obama is the president, then and only then, it becomes an axiom

TheNumberOne

@orlp That's exactly how I know God is real. (not the travel part)

mbomb007

@TheNumberOne Can you provide the reference and version please? Thanks.

orlp

@TheNumberOne how could you regard these sources as trustworthy?

extraordinary events require extraordinary proof

Zach Gates

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TheNumberOne

20:18

@mbomb007 Book of Mormon, Alma 32: 26-43

orlp

hearsay from over 2000 years ago from a couple of first-hand witnesses, with plenty of incentives in between to alter the truth, does not count as trustworthy in my book

mbomb007

@MartinBüttner I wasn't offended. I left b/c I'm at work and I went back to work for a bit, but my current problem has no known workaround or solution. From what I know, the speed of light is constant/finite though it varies (slows) through different mediums, and I don't really know much about the "observable size of the universe", but sure. It's big. I'm not really much of a physics guy.

TheNumberOne

@ZachGates Aren't you a little young to be smoking :P

mbomb007

@TheNumberOne To me, that is not God-breathed scripture, but a book written by a false prophet.

Zach Gates

@TheNumberOne Am I? ;-)

mbomb007

20:21

@ZachGates Yes. Because you're from Memphis, TN and only 16 yrs old...

TheNumberOne

^

mbomb007

@ZachGates And the smoking age in the U.S. is 18.

Zach Gates

9 mins ago, by orlp

you could evaluate sources, find if you can reasonably trust them, and use those

Martin Büttner

@mbomb007 If you don't mind a follow-up question: Assuming we can be sure that there are stars/galaxies several billion (or just million, that's enough) light years away... when we observe them, the light must have travelled for several billion (or just million) years to get here. How does that fit in with a world model where the universe was created a few thousand years ago? Would the universe have been created with the light already travelling such that it would seem to be older than it is?

TheNumberOne

@mbomb007 Read it then, test the principles contained inside. If the principles are false, then you may assume it is wrong. If the principles are true, consider that the book is perhaps also true.

mbomb007

20:24

@MartinBüttner Yes. Since I believe God is omnipotent, he could easily have made it so.

aditsu

Joseph Smith was definitely a charlatan; about the bible though.. it's a bit hard to say how trustworthy it is

PhiNotPi

(Is diving into this conversation a good idea, anyways?) In my opinion, there are several historical facts in the Book of Mormon that don't pan out with independent historical evidence.

Martin Büttner

@mbomb007 Okay, that makes sense. But then why several thousand years ago? Why not a hundred years ago? Why not yesterday?

Zach Gates

@MartinBüttner Perhaps a "day" to God is 2 billion years to us. And the 7 days of creation were 14 billion years from our perspective.

@MartinBüttner That's starting to get into the realm of Last Thursdayism. (Which literally cannot be disproven.)

Martin Büttner

@ZachGates I wasn't aware that that's a thing, but that's exactly what I mean.

mbomb007

20:27

@ZachGates It could be, but it's unlikely, because the Bible was inspired by God and written by man with the Holy Spirit in him. The Bible is related in a way that is to be understood by the people. The same word for "day" is used elsewhere to mean a literal 24hr day.

@ZachGates Also, death did not exist, so evolutionist creationism is not acceptable from a Biblical perspective, because death is a direct result of sin.

Optimizer

obama care sounds so similar to "yo mamma here"

Zach Gates

@mbomb007 Fair point, but it's hard to speculate the actual meaning, because there's many passages that use units of measurement figuratively.

TheNumberOne

@mbomb007 Out of curiosity, what is your secular denomination?

Zach Gates

@mbomb007 I agree that creationism is bogus, for the record.

Optimizer

"Obama care .. by Optimizer"

better get it kids!

Zach Gates

20:30

Is it free?

Doorknob

@aditsu It's four sentences, clearly intended to be good-natured humor. I fail to see how there's a problem, or why your argument doesn't also apply to, say, this challenge.

Zach Gates

@mbomb007 evolutionism**! Sorry, I mispoke.

Optimizer

I believe in organism...

mbomb007

@TheNumberOne Not sure I understand the question? My religion is not secular?

aditsu

@Doorknob good-natured?! Not clear at all to me. And it does apply, to some extent, to that challenge too. Anyway, it was just a suggestion.

mbomb007

20:32

@TheNumberOne Or did you mean what is my denomination, more specific than Christian?

TheNumberOne

@mbomb007 Yes, I accidently misused secular there :)

mbomb007

@PhiNotPi I find the conversation interesting and refreshing. Sometimes it's an interesting change of topic.

aditsu

@mbomb007 better than tabs vs spaces again :p

Optimizer

A friendly reminder that chat is broken and we should all get back to work...

feersum

Religious wars best religious wars

mbomb007

20:35

@TheNumberOne Presbyterian. Though, there are some points I'm just not really sure about what I believe about them, like baptism (as a baby), etc.

@Optimizer How did you make an invisible image?

Zach Gates

Are we considering Catholicism and Christianity different religions?

minxomat

I hope so.

Optimizer

@mbomb007 i did not, that's just a link to stackexchange.com ... read the line following it

aditsu

@ZachGates it really pisses me off that some people do that

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TheNumberOne

@mbomb007 Okay. Incidentally, the majority of Joseph Smith's family was Presbyterian during his childhood.

Zach Gates

20:37

@aditsu I take it you don't?

feersum

Who does that?

aditsu

Catholicism ⊂ Christianity

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TheNumberOne

@ZachGates I would assume that any religion that believes in Christ is a subset of Christianity.

mbomb007

@ZachGates They are, though some Catholics may also be Christians? But the people that believe that doing good works can save you, or in praying to Saints and Mary instead of Jesus, that's purely Catholic, and is contrary to the Bible.

Zach Gates

20:38

There are several definitive points that separate Christianity and Catholicism.

@mbomb007 Agreed.

mbomb007

@TheNumberOne Yeah, plenty of people turn from the religion of their parents for selfish reasons.

aditsu

@ZachGates you could probably argue the same about any denomination, based on what you choose to focus on

TheNumberOne

@mbomb007 His parents and his siblings all joined the LDS church soon after it was formed.

aditsu

and how you interpret various verses

Zach Gates

@aditsu You could. No denomination has every fact correct, IMO.

mbomb007

20:40

@ZachGates ^

Zach Gates

I don't consider myself a Christian, or member of any religion for that matter, if anyone was wondering.

mbomb007

I find this conversation refreshing. It's been a while since I was in Philosophy or Debate.

TheNumberOne

@ZachGates What do you believe then?

PhiNotPi

@TheNumberOne Have you ever heard of the CES Letter?

Zach Gates

@TheNumberOne I believe there is a higher being, but not one who is invested in our day-to-day activities.

@TheNumberOne One that would intervene if we were about to destroy the planet/universe/etc., but not intervene for something like the Holocaust (because it wasn't extinction-threatening).

TheNumberOne

20:43

@PhiNotPi No, I haven't.

aditsu

@ZachGates what do you make of Jesus?

PhiNotPi

It's basically a long (80+ pages) letter written by someone explaining why they deconverted from Mormonism.

mbomb007

@ZachGates I believe that God is doing miracles on a daily basis. I know of several that could not be explained by science, where someone had a terminal illness, or a cancerous tumor the size of a football, and then it was just gone. There was no flaw found in any of the medical equipment.

Zach Gates

@aditsu Not a believer in the Resurrection, but I do believe he existed and was a objectively "good" person who was crucified.

El'endia Starman

This conversation would probably be happening quite differently in The Upper Room... :P

Zach Gates

20:47

@aditsu A few key points, such as the alleged resurrection of hundreds of people at the time of Jesus' death, have me in doubt of the whole thing.

mbomb007

@El'endiaStarman Lol. As soon as I read this I went into that room, to see several other people dropping in at the same time.

El'endia Starman

Haha.

Zach Gates

I entered only to see @TheNumberOne leave, haha.

aditsu

@ZachGates what do you think happened to his body? And what about his appearances to hundreds of witnesses afterwards?

PhiNotPi

@TheNumberOne You can read the whole letter here. (just a warning, that it's rather "anti-mormon" by definition. I've read the whole thing, though, and think it's interesting.)

mbomb007

20:51

@TheNumberOne New avatar? Goofy.

Zach Gates

@aditsu Haha, maybe Jesus had a twin? (<-- joke) Show me some written accounts, and I'll reconsider.

El'endia Starman

@ZachGates The New Testament doesn't count as "written accounts"?

mbomb007

@ZachGates The books of the Bible: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Acts, as well as most of the other books of the New Testament. All written by eye witnesses.

orlp

ergh my interneeeet

Zach Gates

@mbomb007 Could you link some passages?

aditsu

20:53

@ZachGates 1 Corinthians 15

Zach Gates

@El'endiaStarman I don't consider the disciples credible accounts.

TheNumberOne

@ZachGates Mathew was actually a Gentile.

Or maybe it was Mark :/

El'endia Starman

@ZachGates Here's one thing to consider: (most of) the disciples were Jewish, and they wrote to an audience that was largely Jewish. At the time, Jewish law was such that the testimony of women was not reliable or trustworthy. Yet, who tells the disciples that Jesus rose from the dead? Women.

mbomb007

@ZachGates Here's a pretty good list, arranged by topic: biblegateway.com/topical/topical_searchresults/…

El'endia Starman

@TheNumberOne Matthew was a tax collector, and especially reviled because he was a Jew. Extorting from his own people...

Nathaniel

20:57

@TheNumberOne Actually Luke :)

TheNumberOne

@Nathaniel :D

PhiNotPi

I don't believe that the gospels were eye-witness accounts. There's arguments that they were written several decades after-the-fact by anonymous authors.

feersum

What's you guys' favorite translation?

Alex A.

You know, there's a room dedicated to this kind of conversation. It's called The Upper Room. It's for Christianity.SE.

El'endia Starman

@feersum NLT.

Nathaniel

20:59

@El'endiaStarman Heretic! :) ESV.

aditsu

in English I usually use NIV

Zach Gates

@El'endiaStarman It doesn't matter to me whether they were Jewish or not. Their accounts are biased in my eyes.

El'endia Starman

@ZachGates Doesn't mean they're wrong...

Alex A.

Nobody is going to like it if I start spouting my beliefs. :P

Beta Decay

Do birds have beliefs? I thought they spent their time squawking and eating worms ;)

PhiNotPi

21:01

@feersum Whatever pops up first on google. :)

mbomb007

@ZachGates Of course they're biased. Because they were there. Also, Jews were not allowed to associate w/ Gentiles by Jewish law, but God showed them that this is wrong, as told in Acts 10:28.

Zach Gates

@El'endiaStarman I never said they were wrong; just biased. They could perhaps be valid, but we are in no position to prove it.

mbomb007

@aditsu Same

El'endia Starman

@Nathaniel [pushes you off the bridge]

Nathaniel

@PhiNotPi Perhaps the longest ever Christianity SE answer(s) deals with this argument, if you are interested: Among modern critics who believe in the attributed authorship of the Gospels, what are their arguments?

El'endia Starman

21:02

@ZachGates Sure, but I was trying to point out that this message should not have spread.

Alex A.

@BetaDecay Birds believe that if they get there early, they get worms.

mbomb007

Also, completely random, but many history books (like the ones I learned from in HS), have that Hitler committed suicide, but he didn't. yournewswire.com/…

He fled to Argentina.

Alex A.

Where do you find these news sites...

El'endia Starman

@mbomb007 Fodder for Skeptics.SE?

Zach Gates

@mbomb007 Plausible

mbomb007

21:05

@AlexA. That's just one. It's pretty clear from the FBI doc.

El'endia Starman

Oh wait, it's already been asked.

mbomb007

@AlexA. Fine, here it is on fbi.gov: vault.fbi.gov/adolf-hitler/adolf-hitler-part-01-of-04/view

PhiNotPi

@PeterTaylor Turn back before it is too late!

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How do I get Windows to actually store network usernames/passwords?

Alex A.

Tuck it in and read it a bedtime story.

PhiNotPi

21:22

I think I may have gotten it to work.

jk I didn't

Alex A.

You really had me fooled for a second there.

mbomb007

Been having this error for a few hours. I can't do my work until I figure out a work-around... -_-

None of the workarounds I've found are working for me so far.

Alex A.

D:

mbomb007

Thus it is with Mondays. exasperated sigh

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Alex A.

It's been proven[citation needed] that turning your computer upside down, such as with the act of a table flip, will fix all Visual Studio issues.

minxomat

21:31

I stopped using VS when it started showing syntax errors in it's own keywords.

mbomb007

@AlexA. I've actually had unexplainable errors fixed inexplicably by restarting my computer. Windows is off the deep end. They can't even count to ten correctly.

Alex A.

:D

@minxomat What... how...? :O

mbomb007

"Oh no, using 9 would break regexes for previous versions looking at the user agent"
"No, we can't use Windows Nova instead (referencing a Novagon), because *No va* is *no go* in Spanish." Man, Windows Nova would've sounded awesome...

TheNumberOne

@mbomb007 seven ate nine :P

minxomat

@AlexA. Take a look: stackoverflow.com/questions/32430555/…

mbomb007

21:34

@TheNumberOne Just realized, your avatar image covers the "One" in your name perfectly. :D

TheNumberOne

@mbomb007 Not on my screen :)

mbomb007

@TheNumberOne Nvm, it's dependent on window width

feersum

@minxomat 'ng'? Are you sure there isn't some invisible character in there?

Doorknob

@AlexA. (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ 💻

minxomat

@feersum The code is clean. No invisible characters / unparsed whitespace etc.

Alex A.

21:36

@Doorknob It appears the computer has landed right-side-up, and thus no VS issues would have been fixed.

Doorknob

:(

TheNumberOne

@minxomat is it reproducible on other computers?

minxomat

@TheNumberOne Yes, MS says it's an error, they are "looking into it".

TheNumberOne

pastebin link?

Alex A.

@Doorknob But it shouldn't matter to someone who only uses vim, right? :P

mbomb007

21:39

@AlexA. Note that flipping the computer doesn't work with Macs running on an OS named after a cat. Cats always land right-side-up.

minxomat

The code compiles from command line and passes the ReSharper parser, so I guess VS tokenizes the keywords and leaves some crap behind when the editor is refreshed.

Peter Taylor

@PhiNotPi I wouldn't have been sucked in if I hadn't seen an asterisk in the tab title...

Alex A.

@mbomb007 But the newer OS X versions are named after places in California. Stuff there never lands right-side-up. :P

minxomat

@TheNumberOne Yeah, like I'm going to dump the company's code to pastebin...

Alex A.

Do it

TheNumberOne

21:41

Just Do It :P

Alex A.

Beat It

minxomat

We are using VSC to edit the projects now (because it runs on other platforms, not only windows) and use a command line server to compile.

VSC is also way faster for bigger codepages.

Alex A.

@AlexA. Just Beat It

TheNumberOne

@TheNumberOne You can reply to yourself ?!?!?!?!

@TheNumberOne testing

he he

Alex A.

Well I've had a productive workday.

TheNumberOne

21:48

sarcasm?

Alex A.

Drenched in sarcasm.

mbomb007

@mbomb007 I FINALLY FIXED IT! Apparently there was a newer .msi for ActiveReports 8.2 -something. Hurrah! That means tomorrow will be more productive.

@TheNumberOne Ooh, it pings yourself, too!

Rainbolt

This guy asked a question on SO and got four code dumps and one real answer stackoverflow.com/q/32704978/3224483

He commented with "thank you so much<3" on all four code dumps

He didn't thank the real answer

Zach Gates

22:04

@Rainbolt I saw that, haha.

Rainbolt

What's worse is that all four code dumps are almost identical

Zach Gates

And only a minute or two apart

Rainbolt

In fact, I'm going to downvote the three code dumps that were posted after the first one. I'll refrain from downvoting the first one because technically it solves the problem.

In other words, if you want to take a dump, better do it fast.

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minxomat

This is way too cool: visual6502.org/JSSim/index.html

Rainbolt

@minxomat "This simulator uses HTML5 features only found on the latest versions of browsers and needs lots of RAM." Maybe I'm using it wrong, but I pressed play and it seems to be hovering around 75 MB.

minxomat

22:13

There were times this was considered a lot.

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Rainbolt

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that the page is from 2010 based on some copyright dates in some javascript files

Zach Gates

That one point, haha. @mbomb007

Is it too soon to accept an answer on this question? It's been up for a week and was inactive for a few days, but I got an answer out of nowhere yesterday (a winner at 45 bytes).

minxomat

BTW that simulation is created from an 350 megapixel microscopic die shot from the real chip. It works to the extent that you can actually play Atari games with this physical simulation @AlexA.

Martin Büttner

@ZachGates if you're planning on updating the accepted answer if a shorter one comes in, it's fine to accept the Pyth answer now

if you don't want to revisit the challenge ever again after accepting an answer, then wait a few more days

Zach Gates

22:26

@MartinBüttner I always stay active on my questions, so I think I'll accept now. That answer really surprised me, coming out of nowhere at 45 bytes, haha. Thanks for the advice.

PhiNotPi

22:55

Does someone with more mathematical knowledge have any insight into my challenge proposal?

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The Algebra of Reflecting Points This is a challenge based on manipulating points with a specific set of operations, each dealing with the reflection of some points over others. Warning: There's not actually a challenge here yet, just the basis for a challenge that could be to "simplify the giv...

mbomb007

@ZachGates Yeah, I haven't been as active lately.

PhiNotPi

It's not really a "challenge proposal" yet.

It deals with reflecting points over other points.

Underneath, it's just addition/subtraction of vectors.

But, there's restrictions on the way you can manipulate expressions, since everything is in terms of "the reflection operator."

A r B is the same thing as 2B - A

so, proving an equality like Cr(CrA)rB == Cr(BrArC) is easy if you just convert it into subtraction like that.

but keeping it within the rules of "reflection" is harder.

I wonder if this falls under the definition of a quasigroup?

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