Searching the log, we have graduated in 103 in the time we get 235. But I think I didn't understand the other details not in this script correctly yet.
okay guys, I don't like campaigning for close votes, but that comment removal challenge now has three invalid answers. could anyone check the question and see if they agree that it's "unclear what you're asking"?
I haven't checked out the game myself, so I may be missing something... but from what I understand, why do you even care so much about raiding. Wouldn't it actually be more fun if another site managed to beat PPCG's record as a motivation to get even better?
@Simon People calling us evil, cheaters, griefers, sociopaths, losers, and assholes for playing the game as we interpreted it. People were banned from chat and scorned on meta. There was absolutely no assumption of good faith, and an immediate jump to "screw those guys", diamonds included. And they say we're the ones taking it too seriously. So no, no "punishment", but yes, "punishment".
@Optimizer Even if that is true, at this point we've gained all the additional attention/traffic this will give us. Any further raiding will only be detrimental to people's opinion of PPCG, and not bring us further exposure.
Code Bots: Multi-Threaded Bots
Ok. This description is going to be long, but I've tried to make it as clear as possible. It's fairly difficult to give a language spec in a short post.
What Code Bots all about?
Code Bots is a KotH where you try to write your code over other's code before they...
@Martin Yea, the main problem from yesterday (as I see it) wasn't raiding. That seemed like an inevitable emergent strategy to me, and we were only doing it for a couple hours anyway when the rule got changed and we stopped. The reaction to it was quite disproportionate IMO.
@Geobits Think about what the answers from PPCG users said on the meta post. I see a lot of defensive attitude such as "I don't think raiding is all that bad.", "Who cares?", etc. than "We're sorry. We will stop doing this."
@Simon The way I see it, you weren't at all concerned with fixing the problem. You were more concerned with nailing the winners to the wall. I suggested a fix and it got insta downvoted.
An it was an extremely neutral post too. If this is a problem, then here is a suggested solution. Simple as that.
@Simon We stopped. I'm not going to say I'm sorry, though, because I'm not. I explained why we (or at least I) did it, and even that was taken the wrong way. Apologize? No, because it wasn't done in bad faith. We played the game as this site has trained us to play games.
So now allowing brand new accounts to even see the StackEgg would do nothing? Well you're wrong. I signed up for three new accounts yesterday for the sole purpose of raiding, and was successful twice.
Statistically, I'm probably not the only one who did that.
There is a very high chance that raids would not have been possible if new accounts were prevented from cross site stack eggs.
That just leaves the already existing accounts. Yes, some of them may have tried to screw with things, but it would have been to a lesser degree, right?
"There is a very high chance that raids would not have been possible if new accounts were prevented from cross site stack eggs." -> If you actually mentioned that in your Meta answer, things would had went a lot more differently.
Are you kidding? Here is the post, in full. This problem, if it is indeed a problem, can be helped with the following logic:
If User registered prior to today:
Show egg
Else:
Show regular ad
This would at least prevent new users from raiding, but it wouldn't stop existing raiders. So perhaps also add the following:
If User is not trusted:
Hide restart option
That should eliminate restarts altogether, making it difficult, but not impossible, to raid. I don't think raiding can be eliminated altogether, but this might at least make it unattractive.
@Rainbolt I did say "Easy solution: Require 'trusted user' privilege to vote to restart a site." (The crossed-through text about disqualifying PPCG was meant as a joke, a bad one I have realized.) Unfortunately I cannot see your answer as it is deleted but I believe you wrote a bit more than just a suggested fix that might explain the downvotes...
@Rainbolt "This would at least prevent new users from raiding, but it wouldn't stop existing raiders." isn't a persuasive speech like the line I quoted.
@Rainbolt No, I know you're not lying. I downvoted for two reasons: 1. "This problem, if it is indeed a problem" - I interpret that as you didn't really think of it as a problem. 2. It wouldn't fix much, I believe there were a lot better solutions available.
@Rainbolt No, I don't type while looking at the keyboard, I started typing, got distracted, continued typing. Finished my message and then read what had been said. I can't read others messages and write at the same time.
@SimonAndréForsberg Oh, you think there are better solutions do you? Do you remember commenting on my post with "It can also be solved with the following logic: Require 'trusted user' privilege to vote to restart a site. – Simon André Forsberg 20 hours ago"
I'm not involved in the raiding much (1 restart vote, I admit). But for anyone expecting a sorry, I think the problem is, we all know that raiding is bad now, and that won't happen again. But if there is another underspecified event later, where the bad behavior looks nothing like raiding happened today, if you expect everyone (not necessarily us) knows the good way by common sense, it probably won't work as you think. So, that adds nothing to the current solution.
disappointing that we get a bunch of hate for doing it when it wasn't against the rules, and now that it's against the rules, people doing it have no repercussions
@Rainbolt Unfortunately, from what I have been reading here overall, it feels like that attitude is really going around here. I get a lot of "PPCG are the victims now!" feeling around here.
@Simon People calling us evil, cheaters, griefers, sociopaths, losers, and assholes for playing the game as we interpreted it. People were banned from chat and scorned on meta. There was absolutely no assumption of good faith, and an immediate jump to "screw those guys", diamonds included. And they say we're the ones taking it too seriously. So no, no "punishment", but yes, "punishment".
I have a serious problem. I have some text files where I keep my very important numbers -- all of the important ones! And twos, and threes..
These numbers were so important that I couldn't entrust them to those newfangled decimal or binary number systems. I kept each number encoded in unary, as ...
considering people have griefed us nearly constantly since it was made against the rules, but we stopped imemdiately, yes, I think we have a right to be upset
@Simon Eh, the reaction is disproportionate, that's all. As soon as it was complained about, we stopped, yet the hate kept piling on. Like I said before, we expected a different reaction to our PvP play (retaliation).
@Geobits I think that maybe it wasn't enough to stop. He wants an apology and needs us to feel sorry before he can move on. That's the vibe I'm getting.
if anyone else wants the ditto bot, modified to avoid restarts, nothing, flags and closes
//StackEgg JS bot //paste into your browser console (probably F12 to open), definitely works in Chrome //stop with clearInterval(egger) (function() { var time = $('#egg-clock-text') var actions = $('.egg-action') function vote() { if (time.text() != '1') return var votes = [], buttons = [] actions.each(function() { var t = $(this) var id = t.attr('id'); id = id.substr(id.lastIndexOf('-')+1); if(id == 'restart' || id == 'nothing' || id == 'close' || id == 'flagformoderator') return; votes.push(parseInt(t.find('.egg-action-tally').attr('title')) | 0)
@Almo The general idea I had was to use the fact that you have to turn either left or right at a corner, and the first char you hit after a + (either - or |) determines the direction you should be going
So if after a + you go right and hit a | then that's invalid, but if it's - then it's okay and after that can be a mix of - and | before finishing with -+
@Runer112 I am surprised that the SE Devs didn't just fix the issue about the restart button. That was what I expected would happen from the meta post. I did not expect all the "Let's fight back"-attitude.
For the record: Directly when your raids were discovered, at first I went to your site and voted to restart a few times. Then I realized what I was doing and I thought that just because you had destroyed a few other sites eggs a few times, I shouldn't fight back the same way.
"An eye for an eye ends up making the whole world blind"
I hang out at GameDev, and the guys there quickly stopped playing once the original greifing was discovered. They decided it was a poor game design, and not worth playing. Which was an unfortunate consquence of this whole mess with the Egg
I tested it on Sharepoint SE twice with two different stats
Both times, I let two stats go red for three iterations
On the fourth iteration, I addressed one of them
Err... I ignored them I mean
I just let Sharepoint get shut down. Nobody is playing there anyway
But you can go test it yourself on another vacant site. There are a hundred of them
Private Beta: Alternate Q & A Public beta: Alternate Q & A until one is maxed. Then start attacking Quality. Then Users. Graduation: Alternate Q & A until one is maxed. Then start attacking Quality. Then Users. All phases: Ignore warnings up to four times, then address them (unless there are two, then you obviously need to address one of them on the fourth iteration).
And if there are a ton of restart voters, just wait until someone else votes and copy them so that we remain unanimous. They will get tired after maybe five rounds and go home.
@Runer112 It is fallible. I keep telling you that. The more correct rule is "don't vote for something that just decayed unless everything else is maxed".
Are we still using bots or they are not looking at chat? I changed my bot to a follower (while testing strategies elsewhere). But maybe that's being worse.
yes, the problem was that you kept the buttons and options in a variable, and when the on-screen ones where recreated due to change of phase or changing to the restart screen, they stopped working
Code Bots: Multi-Threaded Bots
Ok. This description is going to be long, but I've tried to make it as clear as possible. It's fairly difficult to give a language spec in a short post.
What Code Bots all about?
Code Bots is a KotH where you try to write your code over other's code before they...
