The Nineteenth Byte

DLosc

8:00 PM

Is its call-by-reference like QBasic's, or different?

Neil

@DLosc everything2.com/title/Changing+the+value+of+5+in+FORTRAN

DLosc

@Neil Aha. (Oh, but the last line is the most painful part...)

Radvylf Programs

8:18 PM

There was a lot of janky stuff with rSNBATWFL's parsing that I've had to remove with the addition of the properly handled brackets :/

hyper-neutrino

*rSNBATWPL

Radvylf Programs

Oh I just discovered some new jank in the language :D

The auto-string-concat, like "a" "b" == "ab" changes how the program is parsed

In a lot of fun ways, too

des54321

are these actually fun ways or ways that are fun in the same way javascript's Array.sort() is fun

Unrelated String

oh boy

Radvylf Programs

The second ome

Romanp

8:33 PM

Machine Code: where you define the undefined behavior.

high-level languages: where the undefined behavior defines you.

Radvylf Programs

C: Where the programmer is the undefined behavior

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emanresu A

in canvas, 1 min ago, by Radvylf Programs

Well actually, I guess you could spawn a child, disown it, and then exit

Radvylf Programs

I would be a bad parent

Also your pfp is still broken at some sizes lol

Romanp

" you have a sort of..."hypervisor" that spawns the actual ... child ... and kills it whenever necessary "

Just barely earlier

emanresu A

@RadvylfPrograms I know

And I don't know why

Radvylf Programs

8:41 PM

I had that happen with one of my bots, I just reuploaded it and it was fixed

Have you reuploaded it?

emanresu A

It's probably imgur's fault, I'll try

New Posts

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Q: Who needs 8 bits for one character?

Given a string and the characters used to encode it, you need to comrpess the string by only using as many bits as each character needs. You will return the character codes for each character needed to create a compressed string. For example, given the string "the fox" and the encoder characters "...

Radvylf Programs

@RadvylfPrograms Fixed! And I got to keep a lot of the jank too!

DLosc

8:58 PM

A massive QBasic program that I was working on in Archive.org's emulator got corrupted somehow. No way to copy the file to some other system; no text editor available except QBasic's IDE, which wouldn't load the file. I had to write a QBasic program to read the file, try to diagnose the issue, and fix it. Which I did. Feeling kinda proud of myself, ngl.

Also, speaking of unwieldy ways of editing files, XKCD 378 has been oneboxed in this room 20 times over the course of its existence.

New Posts

9:24 PM

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Q: Find divisible numbers that turn into PI

This is designed to make numbers that, when divided, approximate PI. For example, 22/7 or 333/. For all numbers from 1 to 2^30, make numbers that are closer as so: i/pi ~= x i/round(x) ~= pi Or, i/round(i/pi) ~= pi with i being the number from 1 to 2^30. Expected output: 1 3 22 333 355 103993 1...

code-golf pi

Unrelated String

wow to both

hyper-neutrino

@NewPosts i don't actually get what this means

Unrelated String

it seems like an extremely poorly phrased probably-dupe-of-something

hyper-neutrino

@UnrelatedString the approach you described in the comments is basically how I did it initially lol :P (not the first solution I posted, but the first one I tried)

Unrelated String

lol

des54321

9:30 PM

from a quick read it seems like a better phrasing might be "for any integer x, find the integer y that makes y/x as close to pi as possible"

hyper-neutrino

basically just index into the two strings concat'd, then Uz0ZU, then chop off the starting bit as well?

@des54321 yeah but then they output 22 on line 3 so I don't get how that makes sense

Ginger

@RadvylfPrograms Javascript: Where the undefined behavior has undefined behavior

Unrelated String

also good call on Ż8¡s8z0ZḊ--i tried ØH;s8z0ZḊḊ lmaoooooo

hyper-neutrino

21 still feels way too long lol

Unrelated String

yeah

hyper-neutrino

9:31 PM

@UnrelatedString oh xD

Unrelated String

but also jelly sucks at anything involving padding so

hyper-neutrino

my initial idea was to construct an array of 8 zeroes and prepend (5 bytes I think?) but idk how but i remembered the prepend-zero thing

Unrelated String

i always remember Ż but never remember ¡

Ginger

@RadvylfPrograms ಠ_ಠ

hyper-neutrino

a good tip for jelly that i've come to use from experience over time is that if you can find a way to get behavior that works for what you need as a single link it almost always is going to save you bytes

so abusing quicks to do things whenever possible is good so you don't have to mess with chaining

Unrelated String

9:33 PM

yeah

my go to quick to abuse at this point is Ƭ

hyper-neutrino

oh yeah that's a good one

Unrelated String

@hyper-neutrino also the reason my attempt didn't work is i forgot to do the first padding under reversal lmao

Ginger

TIL Linux lets you disown children

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DLosc

@DLosc Okay, there's some weird stuff going on with this file. Maybe it's too big.

Guess I should try golfing it a bit =P

Ginger

yoU'VE COME TO THE RIGHT PLACE

DLosc

9:43 PM

I'm not sure if this is a QBasic problem or a DOSBox problem or what... it's like when I try to overwrite a file, it stays the same size as before, so if the new contents are shorter, part of the old contents are still there at the end.

Maybe I should KILL it first.

des54321

thats...not how files should work

DLosc

Tell me about it X^D

Ginger

@DLosc ಠ_ಠ

forest

@Ginger You can disown them, clone them, kill them, hang them, abort them at any age...

Linux is abusive to children.

Ginger

language stereotypes:
- c-type: semicolons
- java: everything's an object (except for the things that aren't)
- js: ¯\_(ಠ_ಠ)_/¯
- php: Why

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Unrelated String

9:48 PM

we wish java was everything is an object

forest

I am not a fan of OO.

Ginger

python: magic indent witchcraft

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all of your code has to live in an object, but primitive values and arrays can't be handled uniformly with objects

non-array primitives at least autobox but arrays are just FUCKED

des54321

perl: yeah we can do that with a regex

Ginger

lisp: (((())))

DLosc

9:51 PM

Perl: !@#$%^&*()&^%$#@!@#$%^&**&^%$#

forest

They say Perl is just line noise, but it's not. It's checksummed line noise with a mission in life!

emanresu A

Final feedback?

Ginger

regex: welcome to backslash hell

@emanresuA lgtm!

forest

Slashes are the least of regex's problems.

Unrelated String

^

emanresu A

9:58 PM

Vyxal: unicode mess

Radvylf Programs

@DLosc Nice!

Unrelated String

are you using them in a language that doesn't have syntax for not having to escape backslashes (python raw string literals, perl's various regex constructs, ...)

DLosc

@Ginger Let's go to Mars?

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@Ginger and the floating point calculations don't

Radvylf Programs

@DLosc Speaking of that "speaking of that", I compiled a list of the most used xkcds in comments and posts on CGCC

Unrelated String

10:04 PM

ooh

emanresu A

Oohhhh

DLosc

I was thinking you might

Radvylf Programs

The top was that overused random number one. I'll post the results soon but I did it in an about:blank tab and closed it by accident so I'll have to do it again lol

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lol

Seggan

@Ginger HTML: when markdown became a language

Radvylf Programs

10:07 PM

@Ginger I'd say JS is more of the "everything's an object"

Unrelated String

also python

Radvylf Programs

Since Java's primitives are pretty clearly not objects, yet JS's primitives behave very similarly to objects

DLosc

Also Smalltalk :P

Seggan

Mathematica: yeah we have a builtin for that

Radvylf Programs

Java really has some outdated ideas. E.g., that Womans are objects.

Seggan

10:09 PM

Well so does any other language that supports OO

Also Mans are apparently objects too

forest

Imagine the world we'd live in if all programming languages were replaced overnight with ActionScript.

Unrelated String

i'd rather not

DLosc

@forest I'd be in high demand ^_^

(I'd have to brush up on it a bit, but ActionScript was one of my first programming languages.)

Seggan

do i seriously have to build all of llvm just to get me the library and headers?

forest

Depends on the system you're on. The headers? No.

Seggan

10:20 PM

im on windows

yeah i found the headers

still dont feel like compiling llvm to get me a lib file

Aiden Chow

Oh wow someone actually solved my unanswered wall glitch challenge

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yepo

Aiden Chow

After like 3 months

hyper-neutrino

oh huh, I reached 40k again, sort of surprisingly soon

DLosc

@DLosc Yep, this is exactly what's happening. Anytime I save the file in QBasic, if it's gotten shorter, the new file is the same size as the old one, "padded" at the end with the contents of the old file. I don't remember QBasic behaving like that, so I'm guessing it's an issue with DOSBox or maybe the way Archive.org has it set up.

It's not a problem as long as I just save the file and keep it in the editor, since the version that's in memory isn't corrupted. But if I close out of it and then come back later, there are problems.

Aiden Chow

10:40 PM

2 hrs left! I’m curious to see what my rep is after my suspension ends :p

Oh nvm

forest

@AidenChow Whatever it was before you were suspended (+ or - any votes in the interim).

Aiden Chow

@forest ye ik that but too lazy to calculate rep, just gonna wait till my suspension ends

DLosc

11:03 PM

I've actually done it. I've made a fully functional tinylisp interpreter in QBasic.

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@UnrelatedString ...i also didn't notice that the encoding is 1-indexed lmao

@DLosc NICE

DLosc

(Caveat: that exact code has not been tested yet and might have bugs. It's essentially copied by hand from the code that I have tested.)

Other caveats are that it's very slow, it runs out of memory relatively quickly, and if you don't use proper tail recursion you will blow the QBasic call stack shockingly fast.

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