The Nineteenth Byte

Jo King

00:01

@DialFrost close friend i guess? it gets a bit harder to keep up with people once you finish high school

caird coinheringaahing

If we're going by "close friends", then my number decreases

DialFrost

@JoKing very true

caird coinheringaahing

Maybe 3-6 close friends I'd say

DialFrost

ic

all my friends are currently gaming so ur the only ppl i can talk to :3

Niko

i doubt if i even have a single friend :(

lyxal

00:12

@JoKing mood

I haven't really spoken to anyone from high school since leaving

I just indulge my code golf addiction instead

DialFrost

@lyxal ayy same

(except for the part where im still in school)

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@cairdcoinheringaahing if we're going by close friends my number goes from effectively zero irl to actually zero period

Jo King

i definitely have people i'd consider friends that i haven't seen in 6 months, and only really see when other people have organised the event

caird coinheringaahing

This feels weird, am I the cool kid of CGCC? :P

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yes

caird coinheringaahing

00:20

I also do sports from time to time, am I the jock???

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yes

caird coinheringaahing

I don't know what to do with this info :P Do I steal someone's code golf money? Do I be the himbo jock? This is entirely new territory for me :P

emanresu A

You're also meant to be the responsible mod, so....

south

you can try to take my money but be warned, i have very little

caird coinheringaahing

@emanresuA I'm the new mod, since when was I the responsible one? :P

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00:22

i have $29 in a pocket in my backpack

and literally nothing else

caird coinheringaahing

I'm still learning not to hit the "nuke the entire site button" whenever I handle a flag, I'm definitely not the responsible one :P

DialFrost

@cairdcoinheringaahing yes

I have friends too, but since im less than 20yrs old, I'm not counted here :P

Niko

@cairdcoinheringaahing become north korea in a matter of second by smashing that button!

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it was $40 but then classes were cancelled in a 1:20 span of time for some kind of ceremony and i couldn't tell if my last class was going to be held in the last 30 minutes it would have afterwards so i went to get some nepali momo

why is 20 the exact cutoff
is it specifically to fuck with me

Jo King

does anyone know how to make friends? asking for a me

caird coinheringaahing

00:36

@JoKing Personally, I found being outgoing worked well

But, in seriousness, at least 20 of the people I'd consider friends have come from joining clubs/societies at university, and just talking with people. I easily have 4 very different friendship groups consisting of people I know from these clubs/societies/groups, that I've spent regular times with them over the past year or so, and gotten to know them well

Jo King

i feel like that still falls under "be outgoing"

i don't think i joined a single club at uni

caird coinheringaahing

I'm not sure what kinda "social" clubs Aussie unis have, structure-wise, but my main ones were just things I enjoy. Boardgame society and poker society especially

I didn't go there to meet people, I went to do an activity I enjoyed, and got to know people while there

south

@JoKing i had to force myself to join a club, im finally in one making friends but it took me until my last year

i only hang out really with one person from hs since all of the rest are still back home hours away. my only other friends are online or these roommates from a different uni. i see them the most

OldSandboxPosts

01:00

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: Partition square into squares

DLosc

01:10

@JoKing All my current friends are people I met at church. So, to generalize, I'd say "routinely attending gatherings and participating in activities with other people, some of whom share my values/worldview."

Also, it helps a lot if you find/are someone who likes inviting people over for holiday gatherings and stuff. I've been lucky to meet multiple people like that, since I am not that person myself.

But yeah, I haven't exactly cracked the code either. I've been part of an improv group for a few years, and while it's fun and I like some of the other people, I wouldn't count them among my friends. Not sure why, we've just never clicked.

Jo King

i'm hoping to start some sort of boardgame gathering thing with non-close friends once i manage to move out fully, hopefully that doesn't fizzle out

DialFrost

How long yall think it took u to get a gold badge in codegolf

caird coinheringaahing

100 days

emanresu A

A few months

DialFrost

I've been here for 10 months

bronze badge

DLosc

01:18

@DialFrost 3 years and 10 months

DialFrost

@DLosc lol

caird coinheringaahing

@DialFrost Visit every day for 100 days, and you get a gold badge

DLosc

@DialFrost Did you mean any gold badge, or the code-golf tag badge specifically?

DialFrost

Ye specifically that tag badge

@cairdcoinheringaahing cant, I did! I'm only at 3k rep eith a bronze badge

caird coinheringaahing

@DialFrost It took me 4 years

DialFrost

01:23

:(

At this rate I'm never getting there

plus I've never gotten anything on any other sites either :(

@cairdcoinheringaahing Wow

@emanresuA legend

caird coinheringaahing

Honestly, just enjoy the site. Tag badges are a good goal, especially once you get close, but the better thing to do is to just post consistently on the site

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^

emanresu A

(And by "a few" I mean 7-8 months of semi-active posting)

caird coinheringaahing

@emanresuA 10 months for you

emanresu A

Preceded by 1-2 of not being able to access by account

DialFrost

01:26

@emanresuA "a few" is defined as 2-4

@emanresuA hehe wut

emanresu A

I can't count okay

Coincedentally, I also got 20k around then

DialFrost

@emanresuA in 10months? damn

me: 3k 10months lol

caird coinheringaahing

Hell, I'm 63 upvotes, and 32 answers on meta away from being the second ever gold discussion badge holder. That is an encouragement for me to engage with meta, potentially a bit more than usual. But, I'd still post on meta without that, and would continue to lend my voice/opinion anyway

DialFrost

Mainly cuz I honestly have poor problem solving skills

~~so I have to keep pestering lyxal, tybo, and emanresu to help me :(~~

caird coinheringaahing

@DialFrost I hit 10k rep within a year of joining. I hit 15k 3 and a half years after joining. Go at your own pace, it's not a race

Jo King

01:30

@DialFrost 271 days between my first answer and the gold

DialFrost

@cairdcoinheringaahing ahem :P

caird coinheringaahing

@DialFrost I thought you were asking "how quickly can I get any gold badge on CGCC?" which is 100 days

DialFrost

Ah lol

DLosc

CMC: Given an integer (positive, negative, or zero), return the shortest list of 0s and 1s whose alternating sum equals the input number.

DialFrost

Anways cya, i gtg back to vyxaling

caird coinheringaahing

01:32

All the gold badges are variable, you could get one in a day if you get 100 upvotes, but the most consistent is in 100 days :P

emanresu A

@DialFrost You'll get better, simply by learning new operators. You've already grasped the basic language, what you'll accumulate over time is specific knowledge and what I call a "golfing mindset" - being able to think of many different ideas and solutions to a problem. (also, if you golf for long enough you'll be able to golf in your head, which is either a curse or a blessing)

DialFrost

@emanresuA "golf in your head"????

emanresu A

@cairdcoinheringaahing Electorate requires 600 votes. 600 / 40 = 15 days

caird coinheringaahing

@emanresuA That requires consistent vote capping, plus distributing votes properly. Fanatic is just show up for 100 days :P

DialFrost

@emanresuA theres 500 operators!!!

caird coinheringaahing

01:34

@DialFrost Yep :P

in Jelly Hypertraining, Jul 1, 2021 at 22:40, by caird coinheringaahing

The nightmares are when you start dreaming of ways to golf your Jelly answers :P

I have genuinely dreamt golfs to my answers before

emanresu A

@DialFrost Yeah, but you'll pick up the most common ones quickly, and the less common ones as time goes on

Seggan

@cairdcoinheringaahing same lol

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7

A: Is IMPLY enough for this function?

Jelly, 9 8 bytes oJ’|/‘nL Try it online! -1 because it came to me in a dream... to use >, which would not have worked at all, but it still got me thinking Same input format as hyper-neutrino's solution and also uses OP's spoiler. oJ Replace each 0 in the input with its index in the inpu...

caird coinheringaahing

@DialFrost I think that you could show me any Jelly operator, and 99% of the time, I'd be able to tell you what it does, without looking it up

emanresu A

You don't have to memorise the operators, you just need to have a general idea of "there's an operator for that"

Seggan

01:35

@DialFrost i only have ~40 or so basic vyxal builtins in my head, yet thats anough for 90% of answers

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^

Seggan

@emanresuA this

DialFrost

@Seggan I have 0

emanresu A

(although eventually you do end up memorising most of them)

Seggan

@cairdcoinheringaahing im the complete opposite

DialFrost

01:36

I always have to use the keyboard unfortunately

caird coinheringaahing

There's the weird AE/ae/OE/oe ones that might trip me up, but most of them, I think I'd get

emanresu A

@DialFrost How do you multiply two numbers?

DialFrost

er

*

emanresu A

So at least 1

DialFrost

@emanresuA (i learnt that from python ok :3)

Seggan

01:36

@cairdcoinheringaahing for some reason im blind to jelly's operators

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@cairdcoinheringaahing i'm pretty good at remembering which digraph prefix is which but i cannot keep straight what the second character is for most of them :P

emanresu A

@DialFrost How do you check if one thing contains another?

caird coinheringaahing

@UnrelatedString Same

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some of the dot ones are just plain confusing

DialFrost

@emanresuA uh

caird coinheringaahing

01:37

Ngl, I do like the unlimited edit time in chat :P

DialFrost

it's something near a C or something

emanresu A

Yeah, c

caird coinheringaahing

Screw all the other mod stuff, this is the main reason :P

Seggan

@emanresuA wait i thought it was .f

emanresu A

Wrong language :p

caird coinheringaahing

01:38

@emanresuA e

DialFrost

@emanresuA wait what

then whats the c with a dot

Seggan

@cairdcoinheringaahing the one thing i hate is the edit time

even if u are ro

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like ŒṪ being multidimensional T is just disgusting

caird coinheringaahing

Try being a mod (⌐■_■)

emanresu A

@DialFrost a != 1 for some reason. It's sttolen from osabie for no particular reason

Kinda useless but eh

caird coinheringaahing

01:39

@UnrelatedString Tbf, ŒT was already a thing

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yeah

DialFrost

@cairdcoinheringaahing :(

Seggan

@cairdcoinheringaahing i got your vote in the 2056 election then?

caird coinheringaahing

@Seggan Idk, Redwolf might decide to run then :P

DialFrost

@cairdcoinheringaahing redwolf is running next year

pretty sure

emanresu A

01:40

2024 probaby

caird coinheringaahing

I believe he turns 18 in 2024

DialFrost

if there is any election next year

We have 4 mods

caird coinheringaahing

in Jelly Hypertraining, 23 secs ago, by caird coinheringaahing

Open challenge: send me any Jelly builtin, and I will identify it without using the docs

DialFrost

so we can't elect any right?

caird coinheringaahing

@DialFrost I'd be very surprised

emanresu A

01:41

@cairdcoinheringaahing ¥

caird coinheringaahing

@emanresuA Last 2 links as a dyad

DialFrost

wow that was fast

where's the jelly page/

caird coinheringaahing

@DialFrost We can, there's no limit on the number of mods, but given that I was recently elected, and I'm fairly active, I doubt we'll have much need for an additional mod for a while

@DialFrost github.com/DennisMitchell/jellylanguage/wiki/Atoms

DialFrost

ṭ

caird coinheringaahing

Tack

DialFrost

01:42

how...

caird coinheringaahing

Append the right argument to the end of the left

DLosc

ṙ

emanresu A

ḳ

caird coinheringaahing

Rotate

DialFrost

Æi

Seggan

01:43

@cairdcoinheringaahing then I believe hes the same age as me :P

caird coinheringaahing

@emanresuA Doesn't exist

emanresu A

It's in your fork, I thought I could confuse you :|

DialFrost

@cairdcoinheringaahing if thats true then ur hacking :3

caird coinheringaahing

@DialFrost I believe this is interpret [a, b] as a+bi

DialFrost

Separate a number z into [real(z), imag(z)].

Seggan

01:43

Øv

DialFrost

dont understand lol

caird coinheringaahing

@DialFrost Ah, close :P

DialFrost

æC

caird coinheringaahing

@Seggan Vowels

@DialFrost Convolution

DialFrost

@cairdcoinheringaahing honestly HOW

æR theres no way u get this right

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01:44

there's not that many arithmetic dyads that start with c :P

emanresu A

Ø.

Seggan

@cairdcoinheringaahing Øv Yield 'Ṙv'.

caird coinheringaahing

@DialFrost Prime range from a to b

DialFrost

@cairdcoinheringaahing ok I give up

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@DialFrost is that the fucking modular range one

oh nice

caird coinheringaahing

01:45

@Seggan FFs, the damn quine builtins

DialFrost

caird's too smart

@UnrelatedString no? prime range inclusvie

Seggan

Æf

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wait there isn't even a modular range i just got æ% mixed up with something else

DialFrost

œ! last one

caird coinheringaahing

@emanresuA Frick, I know this. Is it [0, 1]? It's a 2 element list of numbers, but can't remember precisely

@Seggan Prime factorisation

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01:46

indexed permutation?

caird coinheringaahing

@DialFrost Dyadic permuations

Seggan

@cairdcoinheringaahing too good

emanresu A

@cairdcoinheringaahing Yes

DialFrost

@cairdcoinheringaahing without replacements

caird coinheringaahing

@emanresuA Nice :P

Seggan

01:46

do i gett a prize for fooling you

caird coinheringaahing

@DialFrost Yeah, that's permutations :P

Seggan

ÆĿ

caird coinheringaahing

Lucas numbers

DialFrost

Œp

Seggan

@cairdcoinheringaahing why on earth does jelly have a builtin for some obscure number sequence

Æṭ

DialFrost

01:47

@Seggan lyxal: cuz why the hell not

caird coinheringaahing

@DialFrost Cartesian product of self? Jelly has too many Œ with a p builtins

DialFrost

@cairdcoinheringaahing i give up, u win

emanresu A

ØỴ

caird coinheringaahing

@Seggan I think you've got me here

@emanresuA Capital vowels, with a Y

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i feel like i should know Æṭ

emanresu A

01:48

@cairdcoinheringaahing Lowercase consonants and no Y

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but there's too many weird Æ builtins

caird coinheringaahing

It's not totient

@emanresuA FFS Dennis :P

emanresu A

Lol

caird coinheringaahing

@cairdcoinheringaahing Fuck, I looked it up, trace

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...looked it up in the docs and now more confused

caird coinheringaahing

01:49

Ugh, I knew that, I've used it

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oh it's a linalg thing

caird coinheringaahing

@UnrelatedString Which one?

Unrelated String

sum of main diagonal?

trace

emanresu A

Open challenge: Give me any vyxal code <30 bytes and I will tell you what it does

caird coinheringaahing

Yep

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01:50

that does actually seem useful :P

DialFrost

@emanresuA wow

caird coinheringaahing

A really useful builtin in general LA tbh :P

tybocopperkettle

@cairdcoinheringaahing æċ

Seggan

@cairdcoinheringaahing trace

whats that even do

caird coinheringaahing

@tybocopperkettle Ceiling to the nearest power of 10^-y?

@Seggan Sum of the leading diagonal of a matrix

Seggan

01:50

ah

DLosc

@Seggan Prints debug output to the console... no wait, that's in ActionScript :P

Seggan

ŒV

this is fun

tybocopperkettle

@cairdcoinheringaahing "Ceil x to the nearest power of y" according to the docs

caird coinheringaahing

One useful example of trace, is that the characteristic polynomial of a 2x2 matrix A is x^2 + tr(A)x + det(A)

@tybocopperkettle Close :P

DialFrost

@emanresuA ∷ȧ₇C

caird coinheringaahing

01:51

@Seggan Eval as python

Seggan

yep

@emanresuA lyxal

emanresu A

@DialFrost ... prints chr(128)?

@Seggan I added that lol

Seggan

what about Steggan

DialFrost

@emanresuA dammit

emanresu A

@Seggan Nothing useful

0

DialFrost

01:53

₄₅≈εǓ∩

caird coinheringaahing

Tempted to create a "what does this builtin do?" quiz, at least for Jelly, where it gives you a builtin, and it provides you with e.g. 4 options to choose from :P

DialFrost

@emanresuA for u^^

emanresu A

@DialFrost Push [[5], [2]] I think? Can I have actual code plz

Seggan

@emanresuA е

emanresu A

Oh wait nvm, got confused

@Seggan Exponentiates two numbers

caird coinheringaahing

01:55

@UnrelatedString That's œ?

emanresu A

And/or extends strings and/or regex something

Seggan

@emanresuA wrong

does nothing

emanresu A

is that a homoglyph

DialFrost

@emanresuA Lol sry and no

Seggan

@emanresuA yep :P

DialFrost

01:56

it gives <<0>>

Seggan

ruassian е

caird coinheringaahing

homoglyphs don't count

emanresu A

Some actual code: codegolf.stackexchange.com/search?q=vyxal

DialFrost

02:08

why doesnt think search work?

inquestion 20115: APL

to find APL answers in the qustion id of 20115

caird coinheringaahing

inquestion:20115 APL

emanresu A

inquestion:

Radvylf Programs

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquestion

4

DialFrost

@cairdcoinheringaahing tysm

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@cairdcoinheringaahing for a couple seconds i didn't see that the question mark was in the code formatting and thought you were in disbelief that that builtin was an œ digraph, then went to look it up and legitimately was about to respond with "yes, that's œ?"

caird coinheringaahing

02:15

@UnrelatedString Have you heard about the builtin Æ? :P

But yeah, I get that whenever I end my code with a ? :P

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ending programs with ? in brachylog is weirdly mnemonic in some way

Radvylf Programs

@UnrelatedString Chat Monospace Fix ftw :p (assuming you don't have it)

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i guess mostly because it's virtually always a success or failure output

@RadvylfPrograms i have stack exchange font fixer

south

02:29

anybody happen to have or know where to find a Factor icon? trying to make a language request to a sublime plugin and id prefer to give something to the author to help them out

oh nvm, didnt notice it ships with an icon dir

DLosc

I wish there was a shorter alias for inquestion: like inq: or something. I use it a lot.

Steffan

^^

Radvylf Programs

^^

Userscript idea?

inq:id for IDs, inq: for current one

Might do that tmrw

Steffan

I'd use it

Jo King

there's inquestion:this for the current question

Steffan

02:36

Ooh didn't know that

That would be very useful, I always copy the id from the url

Jo King

though of course, i have my favourite question id already memorised

Steffan

/q/69?

DLosc

I also wish user: worked with usernames, though I can see why it doesn't

emanresu A

@JoKing 2140?

Jo King

@Steffan yup, that's the one

Steffan

02:37

@emanresuA 2140 is an answer

Radvylf Programs

@JoKing Yeah but this is longer than inq :p

Steffan

Oh ig it's sandbox on meta (iirc)

Jo King

@Steffan for question 2041, which really confused me for a second

Radvylf Programs

@DLosc It should just pick the best user with that name

Steffan

I've gone to /a/2140 a zillion times because I'm on sandbox and trying to go to main, so remove meta. but forget to move the question part

Radvylf Programs

02:38

@RadvylfPrograms That will certainly not create any problems

Steffan

@RadvylfPrograms How does it know whether to do steffan or seggan

DLosc

@Steffan Question 69 on meta is pretty noteworthy too, as it turns out

Steffan

Yep I've been there

why on earth is this on the starboard

DialFrost

@Steffan lmao

Steffan

@DialFrost Hmm... Push a number I can't remember, check if the digits of that number are all equal, get the absolute difference between that and 26, rotate right, and transpose

The code doesn't sound very useful

I think it pushes either [[2], [6]] or [[6], [2]] but I'll have to test

Oh bruh ₅ isn't a constant

emanresu A

02:49

@Steffan My guess is it's keyboard hashing

DialFrost

@emanresuA ?

Steffan

₅ checks divisibility by 5. Wanna guess the output again?

Knowing that, it's pretty easy

emanresu A

0

Steffan

[[0]]

emanresu A

(i checked half an hour ago)

Oh nvm lol

Steffan

02:51

0 transposed is not 0

gimme some code :P

thejonymyster

@Steffan stern silence in response to some kind of silly chat shenans, plus it was a mod :P

Steffan

oh, didn't notice the diamond lmao

New Posts

03:05

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Q: Does the sequence shut the box?

Determine whether a given sequence could be a winning sequence for the game shut the box. Background There are a few variants to this game, so I'll clarify the rules here. Play begins with 12 tiles (1 through 12) face up. Each turn the player rolls two six sided dice, and must then flip over one ...

emanresu A

03:35

SEO go brrr

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i love how it seems to get progressively less coherent independent of getting progressively further off track

Steffan

why are you looking at that, you know how to get integer partitions in vyxal

i've seen zillions of sites exactly like that tho lmao

same design, everything

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that is kind of the point of ai seo content mills

graffe

08:46

Hello all awake people!

CMC for a, b both integers in the range 0 to 100, find which pairs of values maximizes a+b - sqrt(a^2) - sqrt(b^2)

emanresu A

is this a joke

graffe

@emanresuA no... did I screw up the question?

emanresu A

The result's always 0

graffe

oh oops.. typo

CMC for a, b both integers in the range 0 to 100, find which pairs of values maximizes a+b - sqrt(a^2 + b^2)

@emanresuA better now I hope

maybe it is still too easy?

Adám

100,100?

graffe

08:54

@Adám mostly likely but I was hoping for code :)

Adám

But golfed? 2/100 in APL.

graffe

@Adám of course golfed!

but it has to do the search

Adám

Unobservable.

graffe

:)

as long as you can prove it is 100,100

Adám

I used ⍸a=⌈/,a←∘.(+-2*∘÷⍨,+.×,)⍨0,⍳100

But I didn't try to golf.

graffe

08:56

I am imagining a high school student who gives their proof to the teacher in that form :)

(assuming high school students ever have to write proofs at all of course)

I now want a map of world with different colours showing the youngest that a person has to write a proof in the respective education systems

are we really now CGSE? That is worryingly close to GCSE

AviFS

@graffe is... this a homework problem :p

graffe

@AviFS sadly no

AviFS

@graffe i don't get it not even a little

graffe

General Certificate of Secondary Education

The General Certificate of Secondary Education (GCSE) is an academic qualification in a particular subject, taken in England, Wales, and Northern Ireland. State schools in Scotland use the Scottish Qualifications Certificate instead. Private schools in Scotland may choose to use GCSEs from England. Each GCSE qualification is offered in a specific school subject (English literature, English language, mathematics, science, history, geography, art and design, design and technology, business studies, classical civilisation, drama, music, foreign languages, etc). The Department for Education has drawn...

@AviFS which country are you from?

AviFS

09:11

@graffe sally wants to buy wallpaper. she wants to cover a 5 by 10 area but she can only buy it in sheets of 15 by 15. each sheet costs her $7 but she loses $3 for every... okay CMC check the values from 1 to a thousand. what value makes sally the most money? please.

@graffe US of A

graffe

@AviFS it's too early isn't it!

AviFS

@graffe well it's 2am if that's what you mean :p

graffe

it is :)

Ginger