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user

12:16 AM

@Wezl Wanna make a LotM post for Red?

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12:49 AM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Demonstrate some easier abstract algebra From my related challenge, Demonstrate some advanced abstract algebra Consider a binary operator \$*\$ that operates on a set \$S\$. For simplicity's sake, we'll assume that \$*\$ is closed, meaning that its inputs and outputs are always members of \$S\$. ...

caird coinheringaahing

@SandboxPosts @hyper-neutrino @Bubbler This one has the "may not exhibit the other two in its group" behaviour (with a fancy example table), I decided to do the other one (now called "Demonstrate some advanced abstract algebra") as finding 9 functions with only one of the 9 properties each

It feels weird to basically copy-paste 90% of a question from another one, but I highly doubt that the two will be duplicates

user

Bubbler

Is it really easier...?

user

Github's giving me 42 code scanning alerts, for some reason. Anyone know if that's normal?

caird coinheringaahing

@Bubbler I'm open to better titles, I just chose that because it seems somewhat easier :P

Bubbler

12:54 AM

@user Well, sounds normal if you're using npm and your project depends on a lot of npm packages

caird coinheringaahing

And also, "Demonstrate some abstract algebra" was such a bad title, and then I had to create another title based on that :/

user

I'm not sure enforcing exactly three programs with exactly three properties each would be better than just letting answerers choose what they want to do

caird coinheringaahing

What do you mean by "choose what they want to do"?

user

@Bubbler It's not an npm project (and it doesn't have dependencies). On closer inspection, it looks like I was an idiot and just have a lot of linter warnings (methods that are too long and stuff)

@cairdcoinheringaahing Choose if they want different programs to cover 3 properties instead of just one

@user I take that back, though, it's unlikely that making three different functions would be golfier than making just one

Bubbler

It's weird to have plain linter warnings as "security" issues though

ngn

12:57 AM

@user microsoft advising people about securty.. :)

user

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

caird coinheringaahing

Covering 3 properties is significantly easier than covering less than 3

user

@ngn I hate those false positives :/

caird coinheringaahing

2 hours ago, by Bubbler

It's actually possible if a*b = b*a for some inputs and a*b = -(b*a) for the rest

Bubbler

No, that one's for "not satisfying any of the three"

caird coinheringaahing

12:58 AM

Yeah, but to satisfy <3, it has to "not satisfy any of the three" for the other 2

OldSandboxPosts

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: The Ever-Changing Labyrinth (Controller WIP), (untitled)

Redwolf Programs

Okay so it turns out the auto-acknowledge thing never even worked lol

Apparently there's an id that's separate from the message_id

Fixed now, so I can stop getting emails all the time

caird coinheringaahing

Replies and pings both have a separate id than message_id btw

Redwolf Programs

That's why I added that feature lol

Kind of tempted to keep a counter somewhere

Wezl

@user I feel it's too similar to rebol, no big golfing differences (I may be proved wrong)

user

1:08 AM

ig but that doesn't mean it's a bad language (and you've nominated it already)

Besides, REBOL hasn't been LotM before, has it?

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms event_id of 8 is a direct reply (:message_id style) and 18 is a @NewPosts style reply

Redwolf Programs

I know, that's been working for a while. It's just the weird property naming that confused me :p

caird coinheringaahing

1 is just "message sent to room"

Wezl

@user oh whoops my brain just temporarily broke. Ignore that message, Ok I can make it

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms IIRC OSP has something like 30 inbox notifcations, cause I just don't bother to clear them :P

Redwolf Programs

1:14 AM

You might want to try a system similar to the one I'm using, it's super easy to acknowledge the pings

caird coinheringaahing

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I get an email every 2 weeks I think. Compared to most emails I get, its fairly non-disruptive :P

Plus, its fun to have a counter. I'll check it in like 2 years and see how it turns out :P

Redwolf Programs

Considering making a general purpose library for SE chatbots in JS, I've got most of the work done now

I had to make a custom requests library

Because the default ones don't support cookies

It was as painful as it sounds

caird coinheringaahing

There are 2 main ones for Python that I;ve used, that a lot of bots are based on. TBH I can't think of any SE chatbot in JS aside from NP/SP, so that could be a useful first step towards more

Wezl

1:31 AM

Can I get confirmation that red is the new lOTm?

caird coinheringaahing

Looks to be, go ahead and write up the post :)

Wezl

wait I almost posted it after replacing all the reference to May with April

hyper-neutrino

good job

Bubbler

Lol

Now we're going backwards in time

hyper-neutrino

insert quote about drugs

Wezl

1:34 AM

can I get confirmation that the next month is june?

hyper-neutrino

no it's july /s (yes it's june)

Wezl

thanks want a bounty :P

hyper-neutrino

yes i would like a 1 rep bounty for this highly valuable information

caird coinheringaahing

I think its interesting how anomalous we are in the SE network. If you try almost any sorting option in the site listing, most sites generally fall in clusters. Aside from us - we bounce around the list on literally everything. As an example not shown on the sorting options, editors. Our top editor is Martin, with 1632 edits. Comparing to the 7 other sites closest to us on the SE sorting metrics, the top editors have 28523, 1995, 4122, 278, 5673, 1677 and 516

(FYI 28523 is not a typo, that's Jamal on CR, 2nd is 200_success with 18226, and they're crazy)

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Q: Language of the Month for June 2021: Red

In accordance with our meta agreement, since one candidate received more votes than the others, we have a new featured language! Throughout June 2021, our Language of the Month will be: Red What's a Language of the Month? See the meta post for nominations. In short, during June, those who wish ...

Wezl

1:38 AM

kinda surprized it didn't think it was a dupe of other lOTm posts, especially since a lot of stuff was copied over

hyper-neutrino

BTW if you run really low on rep for bounties let me know lol

i have plenty

caird coinheringaahing

Kudos for even offering bounties with 1k rep tbh

I'm also willing to help pitch in if you'd like, I'm fine to get rid of some of mine

Wezl

@cairdcoinheringaahing I don't have anything better to do with my rep ;P

lyxal

1:55 AM

@Wezl you... You really like using the incorrect casing on purpose, don't you.

Wezl

@lyxal :D yES

Razetime

2:14 AM

@Bubbler you may want to restrict your bounty to "new answerers", cause I post a lot of husk answers

Redwolf Programs

Got my library half-working

I'll do more work on it tomorrow

lyxal

7 hours ago, by hyper-neutrino

@pxeger the book of Golf, 69:420 - And then Lyxal said, "Never gonna give you up."

I only just saw that

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2:34 AM

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Q: Print the tetration

Tetration, represented as \${}^ba\$, is repeated exponentiation. For example, \${}^32\$ is \$2^{2^2}\$, which is \$16\$. Given two numbers \$a\$ and \$b\$, print \${}^ba\$. Test cases 1 2 -> 1 2 2 -> 4 5 2 -> 3125 3 3 -> 7625597484987 etc. Scientific notation is acceptable. Remember, this is c...

code-golf math number

lyxal

wow

took ya long enough

Adám

2:45 AM

Feedback welcome: abrudz.github.io/sans

lyxal

@Adám you had me thinking of megalovania for a moment then

Adám

?

lyxal

Sans from undertale

his theme song is Megalovania

Adám

Due to the icon?

hyper-neutrino

due to the path being /sans

lyxal

2:49 AM

^

Adám

Oh, d'oh.

Adám

3:01 AM

My golden rule of web-design: If you think you need a database, you probably only need a stateless server. If you think you need a backend, you probably only need a frontend. If you think you need a JavaScript library, you probably only need vanilla JavaScript. If you think you need JavaScript, you probably only need CSS. If you think you need CSS, you probably only need HTML. If you think you need HTML, you probably only need plain-text.

hyper-neutrino

I don't like plain-text; it's quite restrictive. The free communication of the hivemind is far faster and allows us to convey much more information and details, especially since we have at least one JSON reader on the network.

but yeah I usually don't like using JS libraries. they usually feel like too much work for something that's not that complex to just do myself; it's not really reinventing the wheel, it's like buying a whole train just to get a wheel

i only really have backends because it takes me like 2 minutes to set up a flask server and that way later if i want to change my statically hosted files to dynamic or add anything it's much easier

Adám

A benefit of a frontend-only site is that once you load it, you can lose internet connection, and it will still function.

Also, such sites can run straight off GitHub pages.

lyxal

I agree that frontend-only is better, because if you can have your desired functionality with less mess is the background, then you should take advantage of that

hyper-neutrino

yeah, TBH i only use a flask server because i'm lazy. static hosting just through nginx would be far better

lyxal

I use flask because I need to run python

hyper-neutrino

3:08 AM

Well, if you need a back-end, then yeah. but like my site is entirely static and it's still hosted on a flask server

lyxal

you gotta appreciate that our national defence organisation has ASCII art in their HTML (look near the top)

hyper-neutrino

lol nice

Unrelated String

nice

Bubbler

And online interpreters can be designed to run on the frontend entirely (if you're determined enough to write your own interpreter in JS or Wasm)

hyper-neutrino

i could but i'd rather not for most things :p who knows, maybe i'll write my next language in JS just so i can do that

don't need to worry about sandboxing if the code is run by the client themselves!

Bubbler

3:14 AM

@Razetime Well, you still deserve the bounty if you solve any hard problem (e.g. Sticky Polyhexes) in Husk. I added a restriction for easy/medium problems

Redwolf Programs

3:30 AM

@Adám My golden rule of web-design is that you first find a steady place to build it. Then, you need to make a sturdy Y shape out of web, before you start on the concentric circles. Alternate between the sturdier silk that holds the web together, and the sticky stuff that holds insects on. Too much of the first and you can't catch prey, too much of the second and your web falls apart. Regardless of that, going back to location, it is seriously important to scout out a good spot. (1/2)

I see too many cobwebs walking around, left behind by web developers who didn't think through how much traffic they'd get, and either had to build a new one somewhere else, or starve. Flies like windows if you can find a hooman settlement; make sure to avoid the moving parts. A good balance between safety (achieved by being hidden and out of the way) and proximity to the most flies is required. Resist the temptation to pick a big web site; smaller webs in smart locations are often better. (2/2)

Razetime

@Bubbler neat, I like it

Redwolf Programs

Are there any sites where minecraft modding is on topic?

Apparently SO

Might actually ask an SO question for the first time in years tomorrow

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3:48 AM

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Q: Compute the generalised XOR

The goal of this challenge is to generalise the bitwise XOR function to other bases. Given two non-negative integers \$ x \$ and \$ y \$, and another integer \$ b \$ such that \$ b \geq 2 \$, write a program/function which computes the generalised XOR, described the following algorithm: First, f...

code-golf base-conversion

hyper-neutrino

4:03 AM

almost full ascii

but I use the built-in to convert from base to integer, rip

Bubbler

Well, Jelly's built-in base conversion has no limits, so no problem :P

hyper-neutrino

Your point about little endian base conversion is very true here and I will definitely think about it if I decide to continue language dev

it has to be a 1b otherwise nothing's saved here

i'm not sure if i want to make a usable/ascii language that can be used for golfing but is more for proof of concept, or a stack based golfing language, or a tacit/jelly-like golfing language, or a practical languages

too many ideas, too little time and motivation

Redwolf Programs

Stop stealing my entire life

hyper-neutrino

sorry, maybe just a restriction to keep the hivemind's power in check

Bubbler

:)

Redwolf Programs

4:14 AM

Uhh...anyone else see that chat flag?

lyxal

yep

Redwolf Programs

I got there late and only saw the last one

Didn't even have time to click for context before it got nuked

Bubbler

I guess it was legitimately nuked anyway

hyper-neutrino

I missed the (very short) window to validate it because I went to go check context out of habit and ended up wasting too much time scrolling through the whole transcript to decide what to do :P

should've just validated the flag first, it was a no-brainer regardless of context

Redwolf Programs

Was there context? Or was it just...that?

hyper-neutrino

4:21 AM

It's public logs so I'll just explain. The user entered the room and was sending rather off-topic messages and didn't really get acknowledged, so they started talking about getting banned and asking to be banned, and eventually sent that after everyone just ignored them entirely.

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Counting uniquely solvable polylinks code-golf grid polyomino combinatorics puzzle-solver Related: Counting polystrips Background Link-a-Pix is a puzzle on a rectangular grid, where the objective is to reveal the hidden pixel art by the following rules: Connect two cells with number N with a lin...

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