The Nineteenth Byte

7:04 PM

> I recommend using caps lock instead of shift to type capital letters to allow more flexibility in the hand that you would normally use shift with. -- Sean Wrona, high-speed typist and record holder.

moonheart08

mm

i'm happy with ~70wpm

AdmBorkBork

Yeah, I'm somewhere between 80 and 90 or thereabouts

Poke

i know some folks who use caps lock as their control character in like... tmux and stuff because it's easier than reaching for ctrl

ThePlasmaRailgun

I'm so bad at typing

Poke

but shift is my buddy

I HAVE TYPED ENTIRE SENTENCES HOLDING SHIFT

Rick

7:13 PM

clearly you are very good at it

moonheart08

i'm personally going to be configuring Capslock to open a keybound menu for stuff like quickly opening a terminal or switching keyboard layouts

Poke

:]

ThePlasmaRailgun

I USUALLY HOLD SHIFT INSTEAD OF CAPS LOCK, SINCE I HAVE A BUTTON TO DISABLE CAPS LOCK, WINDOWS KEY, AND ALT+F4 AND THAT BUTTON IS USUALLY ON

Adám

I ALSO HOLD SHIFT AS CAPSLOCK IS MAPPED TO BE APL KEY

ThePlasmaRailgun

ON AN UNRELATED NOTE WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK OF THIS GOLFED EMAIL SIGNATURE: tio.run/##Vc1PS8MwGAbwu5/iZcJo/i1dN/…

moonheart08

7:18 PM

i should make myself an email signature

for fun

ThePlasmaRailgun

THANKS TO ADAM, ASCII-ONLY, AND SOMEONE WHO'S NAME I THINK WAS OUROBOROS. IF YOU HELPED AND I DIDN'T SAY IT HERE, JUST @ ME

moonheart08

but at the same time, to do it with x86, i'd have to use 16-bit mode because you cant do ASCII only x86 in 32-bit or 64-bit mode

and i hate 16-bit mode :<

ThePlasmaRailgun

Seriously though, I had a lot of fun making it, and I owe its existence in its current form to the people here at PPCG

Adám

@ThePlasmaRailgun Is the email that exact length?

ThePlasmaRailgun

Wait, what do you mean?

That's just the signature that now gets appended to all of my emails

Adám

7:21 PM

@ThePlasmaRailgun In your signature, you've reserved space for your email address. Is it the exact length of xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.com?

ThePlasmaRailgun

Yes, why?

At least, the front part is

Adám

@ThePlasmaRailgun Python Developer? But the code is C!

ThePlasmaRailgun

I mainly code in Python!

This was my first C program that I ever did for myself!

Python doesn't fit well into a signature block anyways

J. Sallé

@ThePlasmaRailgun looks very Mandelbrot-y

ThePlasmaRailgun

Because of its indentation and whitespace rules

Yeah, it's supposed to be the mandelbrot set

Rendered in ASCII

Rick

7:23 PM

@ais523 are weighted bipartite graphs useful in matrix multiplication and modeling linear algebraic models?

moonheart08

wait ais is online? huh.

Erik the Outgolfer

he still chats here, even though he has deleted his old PPCG profile

lirtosiast

@ThePlasmaRailgun High volume of low-effort yet well explained answers is the most efficient way to earn rep IMO.

moonheart08

ah

ThePlasmaRailgun

@lirtosiast I'll try my best!

moonheart08

7:25 PM

problem for me explaining my answers is that a proper explanation of some tricks would take up tons of space ):

ThePlasmaRailgun

I also wish there was a "show-off" chamber where you could show off golfing projects unrelated to an actual question

moonheart08

^^^

ThePlasmaRailgun

Especially since I'm trying to get good at C obfuscation, so I'd like to have a place to demo projects

moonheart08

in my case, i have a bunch of x86-64 golfs that i haven't shown anyone due to the lack of an associated question

ThePlasmaRailgun

Fair

So you seem to do a lot of ASM golfs.

moonheart08

7:27 PM

it's my favorite thing to do :p

It's a fun challenge to me

ThePlasmaRailgun

How would you recommend getting started writing ASM?

moonheart08

uh

i have no clue how i personally started understanding it lol

J. Sallé

Step 1 is definitely getting drunk.

ThePlasmaRailgun

I mean like IDEs and assemblers and stuff

Like setting up your development environment

moonheart08

x86-64 has 10 full books from intel, and that's just the manual

ThePlasmaRailgun

7:29 PM

Wowza

moonheart08

anyways, for assembler, i'd recommend NASM

for IDE? Well there isn't one, just use whatever text editor you like

ThePlasmaRailgun

I know that the x86 instruction set is considered pretty bloated, what with all the vector ops and SIMD instructions

At least by proponents of RISC, that is

moonheart08

bloated is a understatement

ThePlasmaRailgun

Oof

moonheart08

https://stefanheule.com/blog/how-many-x86-64-instructions-are-there-anyway/
over 1k instructions

ThePlasmaRailgun

7:30 PM

@Adám Why'd you ask about the email address? Am I just gonna receive an email from you in the next few days?

My god, that's insane

moonheart08

quote from that page, the upper bound on the number of instructions (It's hard to actually measure properly) is roughly 3k

ThePlasmaRailgun

@moonheart08 I'm actually kind of a fan of really low instruction set computing

Some of the combinatory logic esolangs are my dream to eventually be able to program in

Specifically Binary Lambda Calculus

moonheart08

go toy with the MC88100 (It cuts a lot of common instrs out in favor of more broad instructions, like shift left and shift right (Both arithmetic and binary) are replaced with bitfield instructions that can perform the same task and more)

ThePlasmaRailgun

Do you know anything about AVR assembly?

moonheart08

it's also a (albet kinda distant) relative of RISC-V, mostly due to it's choice of register layout

No.

ThePlasmaRailgun

7:33 PM

Like for Atmel chips?

Oh, ok

moonheart08

i know x86-64 assembly and processor noone even knows exists anymore (88100) assembly

ThePlasmaRailgun

I'm now kind of worried about why Adam was asking about my email length

moonheart08

and the 88100 assembly is mostly guesswork, because there isn't even an emulator for the system around

ThePlasmaRailgun

Oh, that sucks

moonheart08

i mean it did completely flop commercially

ThePlasmaRailgun

7:34 PM

The Intel 8086 is basically running a cut-down version of x86 assembly, right?

Like the 16 bit version before the bloat really started being added

moonheart08

mhm

it differs from x86 in a number of ways tho (I.E. Some old instructions from the 8086 were replaced with extension codes for stuff like SSE)

ThePlasmaRailgun

I've got an i7-8086k in my PC right now, which was Intel's commemorative processor of the 8086

moonheart08

i'm stuck with an Xeon x3470 from 2009

does a damn good job tho

stupidly reliable

ThePlasmaRailgun

Oof

My work PC is basically just a server

It's got two 14-core Xeons and 768 GBs of RAM

moonheart08

I plan on getting a Zen 2 based CPU once they are avaliable

ThePlasmaRailgun

7:37 PM

Nice, Zen two looks like it's gonna be killer

Rick

I only have 64GBs of RAM

moonheart08

mhm

Rick

but mine is a laptop

ThePlasmaRailgun

I have 32 GB in my home PC, but my work PC is literally just a deprecated rack-mount server

moonheart08

haha

ThePlasmaRailgun

7:38 PM

So they didn't bother taking the RAM out before giving it to me

moonheart08

@ThePlasmaRailgun i already wish i could have that, specifically for hellomouse.net

ThePlasmaRailgun

What is hellomouse.net

lirtosiast

@ThePlasmaRailgun whyyy

moonheart08

website/server i help host & group i'm part of

lirtosiast

aren't those just overclocked 8700ks for $100 more?

ThePlasmaRailgun

7:39 PM

Oh nice

@lirtosiast Yeah, but I got mine for about the price of an 8700k

moonheart08

current server has a older Kaby Lake Xeon with 4 cores, and 16GB of RAM

lirtosiast

seems good then

moonheart08

it would be quite nice to give it more cores and higher singlecore :p

Rick

my work laptop is worth 6k

ThePlasmaRailgun

And the flight sim I play eats single-core performance like nobody's business

moonheart08

7:40 PM

6 people sharing one server kinda hurts when you dont have many cores TO share :P

ThePlasmaRailgun

Oof

moonheart08

combine that with the fact we're mostly teenagers (Can't just go buy a better rack unit), and it's kinda annoying

lirtosiast

I can't wait until we make 3d computers

moonheart08

as in 3D dies?

ThePlasmaRailgun

I run basically nothing on my work server (yet), though I'm working on getting it set up as a sandbox with a bunch of disposable VMs for all my fellow infosec people to test malware and executables on

lirtosiast

7:41 PM

Long way off but v exciting

moonheart08

there's one big problem with die stacking...

heat

lirtosiast

Yeah

moonheart08

AMD's chiplet approach works better for now

ThePlasmaRailgun

However, graphene dies are supposedly able to handle thousands of times greater clock speeds as well as much less heat

moonheart08

hmm

ThePlasmaRailgun

7:42 PM

futurism.com/…

moonheart08

well, i'll be interested once they show up on the market :p

ThePlasmaRailgun

Same

lirtosiast

is that just because their perf/W is better, or do they have higher thermal conductivity?

ThePlasmaRailgun

I think they have a much higher electrical conductivity, so way less resistance and less heat

And apparently a much higher W/mK thermal conductivity as well, according to that article

moonheart08

RISC-V graphene based CPUs at [INSERT_STUPID_CLOCKRATE_HERE] when

ThePlasmaRailgun

7:44 PM

^

I think I remember something about how scientists had managed to manufacture a ring of NOT gates on graphene, which was as a huge accomplishment

So obviously the solution is to have your 100-300 times faster clockspeed than a modern processor, and 50 times less logic gates for the SAME PERF. mind == blown

mınxomaτ

@moonheart08 -1Hz

moonheart08

hmmmmmm

ThePlasmaRailgun

There were some people saying near-terahertz clockrates weren't too unreasonable with a graphene die, since the propagation delay of the FET transistors was just so much lower

moonheart08

we'll see

ThePlasmaRailgun

It sounds completely ridiculous to my instinctual mind, but if I really sit and think about it doesn't seem that unrealistic

moonheart08

7:48 PM

one big decider here is price

if it costs insane amounts more than silicon, welll....

ThePlasmaRailgun

Yeah, that'll be huge

But I wouldn't be surprised if a silicon replacement trickles down to consumer prices in my lifetime

As a matter of fact, I'd be surprised if it didn't

moonheart08

for now i should probably focus on just replacing my current CPU :P

ThePlasmaRailgun

True

I saved up a ton to buy my current system

So that's basically where 90% of my expendable income has gone for the last 2-3 months

moonheart08

ooooo

Adám

@ThePlasmaRailgun No, I'm asking to see how it all fits in your signature. How many chars is it including @domain.tld?

moonheart08

7:50 PM

RAM prices went down

16GB DDR4-3000 is now roughly $80

lirtosiast

Idk how long your lifetime is, but I expect in the next 75 years nearly all paradigms of technology will be changed

ThePlasmaRailgun

Oh, I'm dumb, the domain is actually 5 chars

I forgot the g in gmail

So that is the exact length

Hopefully my lifetime is gonna be another 50-60 years

lirtosiast

If nothing else AI plus iterative embryo selection will increase the global effective IQ by like 100 points

ThePlasmaRailgun

True

Adám

@lirtosiast That's impossible. avg IQ is always 100 by definition.

ThePlasmaRailgun

7:53 PM

@Adám Did you see my message? That is actually the length of the domain and TLD, because it's just gmail.com

I was dumb and forgot the g

Adám

@ThePlasmaRailgun Yes, I saw.

ThePlasmaRailgun

Ok, cool

immediately receives new email

lirtosiast

I temporarily redefine IQ as what I want it to mean because I found no better way to say what I did

ThePlasmaRailgun

That's fair, you can just say it increases the global average IQ by 100 points compared to the current average

Adám

@lirtosiast it is very rare to see articles and discussions mentioning IQ doing so in a meaningful way. They tend to omit the std deviation. Without it, a specific IQ is completely meaningless.

DJMcMayhem

7:56 PM

Flynn effect

The Flynn effect is the substantial and long-sustained increase in both fluid and crystallized intelligence test scores that were measured in many parts of the world over the 20th century. When intelligence quotient (IQ) tests are initially standardized using a sample of test-takers, by convention the average of the test results is set to 100 and their standard deviation is set to 15 or 16 IQ points. When IQ tests are revised, they are again standardized using a new sample of test-takers, usually born more recently than the first. Again, the average result is set to 100. However, when the new test...

ThePlasmaRailgun

It's the NORMAL distribution, not the TANGENT distribution.

Standard deviation like that?

:0

Adám

@ThePlasmaRailgun Unlikely. That'd mean that the average person then will score better than all currently living humans. (Assuming std dev of 15 or 16)

ThePlasmaRailgun

I don't think that's too unreasonable with genetic engineering and the possibility of eventual brain-computer implants

It wouldn't be near future, but it's entirely possible long-term

Adám

@ThePlasmaRailgun How does this look?

main(k){for(float x,y,u,v,z;++y<40;puts
(""))for(x=-2;x+=.03,x<1;putchar(k+32))
for(u=v=0,k=27;z=v*v,--k&&u*u+z<4;u=u*u
-z+x)v=2*u*v+y/20-1;}/*Python Developer
Finian Blackett             Information
finian.b1ackett@9mail.c0m   Security */

ThePlasmaRailgun

LOL

You figured it out

That's my email

I'm pretty happy with it currently

Adám

8:07 PM

@ThePlasmaRailgun Hey, you didn't need to tell us that! It was just placeholder text from my side.

ThePlasmaRailgun

I trust people here enough (hopefully)

I don't think anyone will be malicious

Adám

@ThePlasmaRailgun Scraper bots may.

Erik the Outgolfer

@Adám maybe make the placeholder more fake-looking...

Rick

mwähähähä!

just kidding I don't care

Adám

@EriktheOutgolfer Already done so.

ThePlasmaRailgun

8:08 PM

Well, that works

I've found scrapers to be pretty dumb

Adám

@ThePlasmaRailgun Anyway, I like it better like this. Less noise.

ThePlasmaRailgun

I know a guy who just concats the parts of his email in JS and then writes it to his page, and he's never gotten a scraper in like 2000 visitors

I might use that Adam

But I do at least like the fancy F

Rick

@Adám would it have been shorter if you used a regular expression

Adám

@Rick What?

lirtosiast

@Adám By global effective IQ I meant the problem-solving capability of our civilization as a whole, which I guess is even less well defined

ThePlasmaRailgun

8:12 PM

How about

lirtosiast

But I think the average, or at least 99th%, person scoring better than all current humans is probable

ThePlasmaRailgun

/*  #######*/main(k){for(float x,y,u,v,z;++y<40;puts
/*  #      */(""))for(x=-2;x+=.03,x<1;putchar(k+32))
/* ####    */for(u=v=0,k=27;z=v*v,--k&&u*u+z<4;u=u*u
/* #       */-z+x)v=2*u*v+y/20-1;}/*Something Here*/
/*#   Finian Blackett | Infosec | Python Developer*/
/*--------=[ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.com ]=---------*/

Rick

are regular expressions bad? I never use them

ThePlasmaRailgun

I love regexes, because they're horrifying

Rick

i hate them for that reason

lirtosiast

8:13 PM

Regexes are a tool useful for some things, especially if you document them well

Just like anything else

ThePlasmaRailgun

Bit of self promotion here, but I made a tool for creating regexes that test if a number is divisible by another number based on one of the posts here: github.com/ThePlasmaRailgun/DivisibilityRegexes

Rick

I think the underlying programming logic that governs them is far more interesting than the expressions themselves

ThePlasmaRailgun

It can either create a Deterministic Finite Automaton file for JFLAP, which would then be turned into a multi kilobyte regex, or use PCRE recursion to make that same DFA into a much smaller regex

regexr.com/493a3

There's my regex for divisibility by 9

@Adám What do you think of that one?

Adám

@ThePlasmaRailgun Working on an alternative with the F

ThePlasmaRailgun

So, you guys all probably know the current shortest known Brainfuck hello world, right?

Erik the Outgolfer

8:23 PM

legend has it that we don't...

ThePlasmaRailgun

True, which is why I was thinking of attempting a brute-force

Adám

    /******/ main(k){for(float x,y,u,v,z;++y<
   /**/      40;puts(""))for(x=-2;x+=.03,x<1;
  /*****/    putchar(k+32))for(u=v=0,k=27;z=v
 /**/        *v,--k&&u*u+z<4;u=u*u-z+x)v=2*u*
/**/         v+y/ //finian.b1ackett@9mail.com
             20-1;}//Python Developer InfoSec

quartata

most programs you brute force are going to run forever

ThePlasmaRailgun

Ooh, that does look nice

I think we could restrict it to programs that only run for less than a few seconds, since it would be useless to have a hello world that takes 5 mins

dzaima

@ThePlasmaRailgun it's quite possible that the optimal solution would use the fact that the tape cycles around for data presetting. anyways the domain of BF programs is way too large even if evaluation of one took just one clock cycle

DJMcMayhem

8:28 PM

Interesting C++ thing

ThePlasmaRailgun

That's true

DJMcMayhem

That took me a little while to figure out

ThePlasmaRailgun

How long is the current shortest? I thought it was like 45 bytes

dzaima

@ThePlasmaRailgun 72 IIRC

ThePlasmaRailgun

Oh, okay, nevermind then

That's way too long to bruteforce (yet)

Erik the Outgolfer

8:30 PM

KSab's "Hello, World!" solution

ThePlasmaRailgun

Was that supposed to be a link? I can't click on it

dzaima

link

Erik the Outgolfer

it's truly beautiful...

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ThePlasmaRailgun

8:39 PM

Holy crap, that answer actually beats Java 8

Wat in tarnation

Adám

@ThePlasmaRailgun Fancy an F?

      main(k){for(float
     x,y,u,v,z;++y<40;
     puts(""))for(x=-
    2;x+=.03
   ,x<1;putchar(k+
   32))for(u=v=0,
   k=27;z=v*v,--
  k&&u*u+z
  <4;u=u*u
 -z+x)v//  finian.b1ackett@9mail.com
 =2*u*v+y
/20-1;}//  Python Developer, InfoSec

ThePlasmaRailgun

Holy crap

That is amazing

Erik the Outgolfer

@ThePlasmaRailgun there's a link in the comments, it doesn't beat Java in general

ThePlasmaRailgun

@EriktheOutgolfer Yeah, but that's apparently a patched "exploit" in Java 6

Erik the Outgolfer

welcome to PPCG, where exploits are features! ;)

Adám

8:42 PM

@ThePlasmaRailgun I still find it very odd that it has "show off" C code, but you advertise yourself as Pythoner

7

ThePlasmaRailgun

Yeah, fair

Do you think I should just put "agile developer"

LOL

Adám

@ThePlasmaRailgun Buzz

Thomas Lackner

golfed/terse python one liners a real challenge - good way to prove yourself!

ThePlasmaRailgun

True

But their size and formatting requirements make them much less suitable than C

I've done some of the opposite way, extremely obfuscated python one liners with lambdas

Adám

I was asked if I wanted anything special on my business cards. I came up with an obscure rebus reference to my religion. Maybe instead I should have put ⍎⌽⍕⌈*○≡⍬

ThePlasmaRailgun

8:48 PM

Wait, what's that?

An APL program I assume, but what does it do?

dzaima

@ThePlasmaRailgun "evaluate the reverse of the string representation of the ceiling of e to the power of pi times the depth of the empty array"

ThePlasmaRailgun

Ah

Adám

@ThePlasmaRailgun It returns 42 without using any numbers or similar.

ThePlasmaRailgun

Nice

Thomas Lackner

@Adám beast mode biz card one-liner! you get a lot of understanding from the regular populace on that one? :)

one time i used "305.978.xxxx" as my number instead of the more traditional "305-978-xxxx" and i felt like i was really living on the wild side.

Adám

8:51 PM

⍬ is the empty list. ≡ is its depth (1), ○ multiplies by pi (3.14), * does e^ (23.1), ⌈ is ceiling (24), ⍕ is stringify ("24"), ⌽ is reverse ("42"), ⍎ is evaluate.

@ThomasLackner Due to the somewhat difficult math (e^pi), even experienced APLers may have a hard time with it.

@ThomasLackner There's actually a shorter, but less interesting one: ⍴⍕!⍋⎕D

⎕D is "0123456789", ⍋ is the grade (indices of elements in ascending order, i.e. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10), ! is factorial (1 2 6 24 120 720 5040 40320 362880 3628800), ⍕ is stringify ("1 2 6 24 120 720 5040 40320 362880 3628800"), ⍴ is shape (42)

Thomas Lackner

@Adám was just about to ask what ⍕ was doing there. on tryapl its hard to see its a string. today i have learned a little more APL, thanks. (kinda a hackey solution to the problem tho :))

Adám

@ThomasLackner Yeah, that's why I like the mathy solution better. I guess it could work in other languages too, no? eval(reverse(stringify(ceil(e^pi)))) or some such.

ThePlasmaRailgun

@Adám I think I'm gonna use your giant F on my business cards, where I'll have more room

That should fit pretty well

      main(k){for(float
     x,y,u,v,z;++y<40;
     puts(""))for(x=-
    2;x+=.03
   ,x<1;putchar(k+
   32))for(u=v=0,
   k=27;z=v*v,--
  k&&u*u+z
  <4;u=u//  Finian Blackett
 *u-z+x//   f1n14n.blackett@9ma1l.com
 )v=2*u*
v+y/20-
1;}///      Python Developer, InfoSec

Modified to have my name as well as email, it might be too redundant, but what do you think?

Adám

9:06 PM

@ThePlasmaRailgun Yeah, I think it is to redundant. If you really want, you can capitalise F and B

ThePlasmaRailgun

Ok, that's a good idea

Adám

Heh, ToExpression[StringReverse[ToString[⌈E^π⌉]]]

Thomas Lackner

I thiiiink you can do ⌈E^π⌉@ToString@StringReverse@ToExpression to save a few bytes on the squarebrax

I really want to apply pattern matching to a vector language. Any thoughts on that @Adám? I presume you've spent some time in mathematica

Adám

@ThomasLackner I have not. That's the longest Mathematica expression I've ever written.

@ThomasLackner There was someone a while back who tried that, but it really wasn't a good fit.

Thomas Lackner

@Adám if you can recall any references i'd love to take a look

Adám

9:15 PM

@ThomasLackner Assuming you want a kind of case statement based on a value fitting some structure, right?

Thomas Lackner

@Adám yeah, so that you can create tagged values that represent semantic things like types.. like a tagged vector. ive always hated how, for instance, q/k's compressed files are implemented

ThePlasmaRailgun

Like Bubblegum? LOL

Seriously though, Bubblegum is my new favorite golfing language

ThePlasmaRailgun

9:42 PM

@Adám What do you think should go here??

/*  #######*/main(k){for(float x,y,u,v,z;++y<40;puts
/*  #      */(""))for(x=-2;x+=.03,x<1;putchar(k+32))
/* ####    */for(u=v=0,k=27;z=v*v,--k&&u*u+z<4;u=u*u
/* #       */-z+x)v=2*u*v+y/20-1;}/*WHAT GOES HERE*/
/*#   Finian Blackett | Infosec | Python Developer*/
/*--------=[ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.com ]=---------*/

Adám

@ThomasLackner Found it, but Anthony Cipriano's online presence seems to have ceased. Search "dyalog ac1235"

@ThePlasmaRailgun Mandelbrot Set

ThePlasmaRailgun

/*  #######*/main(k){for(float x,y,u,v,z;++y<40;puts
/*  #      */(""))for(x=-2;x+=.03,x<1;putchar(k+32))
/* ####    */for(u=v=0,k=27;z=v*v,--k&&u*u+z<4;u=u*u
/* #       */-z+x)v=2*u*v+y/20-1;}/* C Mandelbrot */
/*#  Finian Blackett | Infosec | Python Developer */
/*--------=[ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.com ]=---------*/

Do you think that works? I like the spacing of C Mandelbrot more than Mandelbrot Set

Adám

@ThePlasmaRailgun Hm, even more odd that it basically says. Hey, look at this cool Mandelbrot code in C. Oh, and btw, I'm a Python Dev!

ThePlasmaRailgun

IDK

I'm really not applying to plain dev positions

ngn

@moonheart08 if you'd like to continue our discussion about rust and its suitability for implementing k/apl, feel free to do it in the k room i've just created

ThePlasmaRailgun

9:51 PM

I do mostly information security, but I still code in that

Adám

@ngn What's the significance of the "tree" name?

Erik the Outgolfer

@Adám I suspect it has to do with the Orchard... :P

ngn

@Adám yeah, it's a tree from the ap(p)l(e) orchard replanted elsewhere :)

Adám

@EriktheOutgolfer Oh, like being one of the trees in the orchard.

@ngn k graft

Erik the Outgolfer

@Adám yes, you just got ninja'd

ngn

9:55 PM

@Adám it's also a term for the hierarchical structure of dicts that are used like namespaces in apl, so i thought it would be suitable for a room name

Adám

@ThePlasmaRailgun How about:

/*  #######*/main(k){for(float x,y,u,v,z;++y<40;puts
/*  #      */(""))for(x=-2;x+=.03,x<1;putchar(k+32))
/* ####    */for(u=v=0,k=27;z=v*v,--k&&u*u+z<4;u=u*u
/* #       */-z+x)v=2*u*v+y/20-1;}/* InfoSecurity */
/*#        Finian Blackett Finian.B1ackett@9mail.com

@ThePlasmaRailgun Though I like the /**/ style F better.

ThePlasmaRailgun

That'll error out because the last block comment isn't closed

dzaima

how about this? the trailing comments are annoying though

ThePlasmaRailgun

Oh my, you guys are giving me decision paralysis...

These are all too good and I don't know which one to pick because I'm grossly overthinking things

dzaima

then there's this

Adám

10:04 PM

    /*******///InfoSec finian.b1ackett@9mail.com
   /**/  main(k){for(float x,y,u,v,z;++y<40;puts
  /****/ (""))for(x=-2;x+=.03,x<1;putchar(k+32))
 /**/    for(u=v=0,k=27;z=v*v,--k&&u*u+z<4;u=u*u
/**/     -z+x)v=2*u*v+y/20-1;}///Finian Blackett

@dzaima Or:

    /******/ main(k){for(float x,y,u,v,z;++y<40;puts(""
   /**/     ))for(x=-2;x+=.03,x<1;putchar(k+32))for(u=
  /****/   v=0,k=27;z=v*v,--k&&u*u+z<4;u=u*u-z+x)v=2*
 /**/     /*   Finian Blackett, Info-Sec   */ u*v+y/
/**/     /*   finian.b1ackett@9mail.com   */ 20-1;}

ThePlasmaRailgun

10:36 PM

Do you guys know how to get a string command line argument in C

DJMcMayhem

It's in the arguments to main()

ThePlasmaRailgun

tio.run/##S9ZNT07@/…

I'm trying this but it isn't working

@DJMcMayhem I want to get the length of the first and second argument, to use in a Vigenere cipher program

DJMcMayhem

@ThePlasmaRailgun Try it online!

1) `main` should be `int` not `void`.
2) main can only take 0 arguments or 2: `int argc, char **argv`, which is a pointer to an array of c_str