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7:00 PM
Well that's confusing
 
in binary too? Wow
 
I hope it's not the first 0 in that case?
 
i meant the message was in binary and decimal, 32nd digit of pi might or might not be 0 in binary
 
oh ok
 
7:09 PM
Why isn't it that about 1 in 10 decimal digits of pi are 0s and 1 in every 2 binary digits of pi are 0s, so we could expect 1 in 20 to be 0 in both decimal and binary?
 
@Riker unfortunately Operation "host tf2 server for free" is going poorly -- heroku doesn't let you open ports other than 80/443 and most everything else is lacking disk space
 
@user202729 Not sure why this behavior occurs, I think ASCII only is correct that it is intentional, but I can't recall why.
 
hello
 
welcome to TNB :D
 
thanks
what's up
 
7:24 PM
@Adám irrational != random. where are you getting that 1 in 10 digits of pi are 0 and 1 in every 2 binary digits of pi are 0?
s/random/uniformly random/
 
 
Regardless of whether the digits of pi are evenly distributed, I don't think your reasoning is complete. uniformly random != normal.
 
^ that is a better explanation
 
Adjacent digits differences:
 
I'm not saying that it is not the case, it may very well be that your two assumptions lead to your conclusion, however it is a non-trivial leap from one to the other.
If you are interested you might want to ask on Math.SE, I think it is an interesting question.
 
@Adám made using apl?
 
@Cowsquack No, just found it online.
So I've compared the first 2021 digits of pi in base 10 and base 2, and it is 0 in both bases with an average interval of exactly 20. I merged integer digits with fractional digits, but I doubt it will make a difference.
 
@Adám just remove the first digit or a 3 :P
 
@EriktheOutgolfer Shifting things over one step (to account for binary's 11.001… vs decimal's 3.141…) gives an average interval of about 22.8, so I'd say my estimate holds well.
@betseg I don't think that's right. ^ ^^^
 
7:51 PM
Is this about whether pi is normal?
 
@quartata Related to
42 mins ago, by Adám
Why isn't it that about 1 in 10 decimal digits of pi are 0s and 1 in every 2 binary digits of pi are 0s, so we could expect 1 in 20 to be 0 in both decimal and binary?
 
oh cool
 
@DJMcMayhem Given the creativeness of V and BrainFlak, I can't wait :P Which language are you thinking of writing it in?
 
Probably brain-flak? I have no idea what it could be though...
@cairdcoinheringaahing Actually, I've been working on a new tarpit for a little while.
 
Is that the prefix parsing question over on CR?
 
7:55 PM
whats a tarpit?
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Yes actually!
 
turing-complete with as few symbols as possible
 
@Riolku A language that is Turing-complete, but is designed to have a minimal set of commands
 
A Turing tarpit (or Turing tar-pit) is any programming language or computer interface that allows for flexibility in function but is difficult to learn and use because it offers little or no support for common tasks. The phrase was coined in 1982 by Alan Perlis in the Epigrams on Programming: 54. Beware of the Turing tar-pit in which everything is possible but nothing of interest is easy. In any Turing complete language, it is possible to write any computer program, so in a very rigorous sense nearly all programming languages are equally capable. Showing that theoretical ability is not the same...
 
ok thanks!
Im writing my own compiled language that still has nice syntax, similar to python in some ways
 
7:57 PM
@DJMcMayhem Saw it pop up on the HNQ and was 50% sure it was a PPCGer without having read the question :P
 
basically a pit of tar that once you fall into it and start coding, you can't get yourself back out and you just sink deeper and deeper
 
@DJMcMayhem is pretty...would you reach for it?
 
@HyperNeutrino lol
 
@EriktheOutgolfer huh?
 
like, would you decline that challenge? :P (I know that's the kind of challenges you usually accept)
 
7:59 PM
@cairdcoinheringaahing I think due to prefix notation, it should be a bit easier to learn than brain-flak, but in my little bit of time playing with it, harder to design the right algorithm for
Which are... Both good things? I think
 
Sounds like a fun idea!
 
@quartata ask downgoat super nicely?
@ASCII-only ofc @ConorO'Brien has
he's made so many that you count probably count his github as one giant language
 
Ooooh, caird’s CMC is a good opportunity to smash my head into a wall trying to implement a language in Triangularity :P
 
Okx
hexagony
 
Ah good, I'm not the only one who did that wipes sweat from destroyed forehead
 
8:15 PM
|!@0 #=2@0 #-@0 1
!1
@cairdcoinheringaahing That's print(range(input())) in my new lang >:D
 
I may need an explanation :P I'm guessing !1 runs the first line then prints it, but beyond that I'm lost
 
Nope, !1 means print 1
 
Well, I got the print part :P
 
Given a&&b, will we hit the b conditional if a returns a falsey?
 
In what language? Normal languages, no, JavaScript, yes
 
8:19 PM
I want to implement the CMC language in Physica, but it hasn’t really been used on PPCG. Is that allowed? :D
 
C#
 
@Mr.Xcoder is Physica esoteric?
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Definitely not.
But it would be fun for me to find features to add / improve :P
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Why not?
 
@Riker that droplet is being used for other things currently
 
@Mr.Xcoder Thanks!
 
8:37 PM
0
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Dom HastingsFind the Cell's Neighbours Given positive integers h, w and a non-negative integer i, return all of the indices surrounding i. You are to assume a 2D array consisting of h rows of w elements, numbered from lowest, in the top left-hand corner, to highest, in the bottom right-hand corner, and re...

 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Read your message, thought "no, even JavaScript wouldn't do that", proved myself wrong.
 
uh, that doesn't seem correct
of course && will check if the other operand is truthy too
 
@Dennis Don't you want false && console.log(false) or true || console.log(true)
Ninjer'ed
 
he already corrected himself :P (late ninja)
 
9:39 PM
CMC (or main?): Given a matrix and two fractions in the range [0,1] return the matrix's element that is closest to that fraction of the way from the top row to the bottom row and the left column to the right column. E.g. [[1,2,3,4],[5,6,7,8],[9,10,11,12]] and [0.5,0.7] gives 7.
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing excuse me. JS is a normal language...
@Mr.Xcoder add every feature pls
@DJMcMayhem :O new language
@cairdcoinheringaahing how are you still alive :|
 
@ASCII-only Hmm?
 
@Riker well yeah. he's one of the few people here with a practical lang
@DJMcMayhem sorry brain-flak brainfart
 
Oh
@ASCII-only Yes! I'm very excited about this one.
 
9:44 PM
You'll see more about it in here once it's actually functional
I don't even have a name yet.
Right now almost everything works, but I have to hardcode the program and if an operator is called with not enough arguments it will silently fail
 
@mbomb007 that's straight from the FF docs though? are you saying you know FF better than the devs do >_>
@DJMcMayhem sliently failing is good for golfing
 
But it's not a golfing language
 
yeah which is why it's stricken through stroke through striked through struck through
@Dehodson :| then how is it a language
@DJMcMayhem you should write a language in Brain-Flak
 
If you help me come up with a simple enough language :P
 
bitwise cyclic tag
binary lambda calculus
thue
perl
 
9:54 PM
why do you strike the messages?
 
because they're not serious suggestions
 
you don't know when it comes to DJ...
 
0
A: Determining Yes or No?

lukassGo, 91 bytes package main;import ."strings";type s=string;func f(S s)(s){return s("yn"[Count(S,"n")%2])} 105 bytes if ;func main(){} is added; unsure of Gode Golf golang norms.

:| Gode Golf
non-conventional format
 
@EriktheOutgolfer Yeah, sometimes I take a CMC pretty far, but I don't know about implementing perl in brain-flak...
 
ok not Perl, but e.g. BCT or BLC...
I don't know if anybody has ever fully understood Perl yet :P
 
10:00 PM
@EriktheOutgolfer Yes. Ton Hospel.
 
I think if I was going to implement a language in brain-flak, I'd rather make something new-ish
 
LOWER :P
 
@DJMcMayhem Brain-Un-Flak: A fellow person has flak'd their brain so that you can un-flak yours, it's a shame if you don't donate.
 
10:32 PM
@EriktheOutgolfer Perl 5 has no formal spec, it's just a bunch of integration tests that the one and only Perl implementation complies with
A famous saying is that only Perl can parse Perl
 
@quartata this is basically the same with Perl 6
the docs are the tests
 
Perl 6 actually does have a cohesive spec though
 
yeah
@Mayube protip: just write a userscript using google's highlighting/codemirror/ace, or use Downgoat's TIO frontend
 
@EriktheOutgolfer same with the polyglot. for that in perl 6 you check if 'a'..'z' is a subset of lc(input)
uh *pangram
 
11:33 PM
6
Q: Merge two values

xnorYou have two values each of which is either 0 representing "unknown", or one of 1,2,3. Merge them into a single value as follows: If both values are nonzero and equal, output that value: (3,3) -> 3 If both values are nonzero but unequal, output 0 for unknown: (1,2) -> 0 If one value is zero and...

 
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