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9:00 PM
wohoo 2019
 
@EriktheOutgolfer Calculating Waves and Monday Minigolfs 1-3, my first four challenges altogether
 
@everybody I made a chatroom on my website called ppcg (on MilkyWay90.github.io/chat.html) in case anybody's interested
 
yeah, they all happened to lack a Jelly answer, so I quicked them up
 
@betseg You live 20 timezones away from me
 
probably because Jelly was created several months after those challenges were posted, and no one had gone back to them
thanks for the activity anyway ;)
 
9:02 PM
@MilkyWay90 so... UTC-17?
 
yeah, I don't think Turkey is 20 timezones away from anywhere...
 
@betseg, yes, that means it's 4 am for me
 
4 am on the 31st???
 
oh whoops 4 pm
oof
how did I get the time wrong
 
@ETHproductions don't be so sure that's the end... I intentionally stopped yesterday because I felt for your inbox :P
 
9:03 PM
I am 8 timezones away from you
 
@EriktheOutgolfer I don't care that much, I don't check my inbox that often lol
I probably hadn't gotten 10 notifications over the entire month of December before that :p
 
also, for your original question, yes, there is in fact a hat for answering old questions
 
Maybe even November if you ignore chat mentions
 
"Six-cornered Hat"
that is, earn Necromancer
 
I like getting spammed in my inbox. It tells me that somebody cared to actually spam me
 
9:05 PM
although I already have it from ELL
 
@ASCII-only looks like Equals(array, array) is completely broken :-(
 
Did you guys know that Mathematica has a built-in for the downgoat question?
@Neil For what language?
 
I think I recall that from when the question was posted
 
yeah, a lot of us know it ;-)
 
Charcoal, because that's the only language that I report bugs to him about
 
9:07 PM
Python has a module for everything, and Mathematica has a built-in for everything.
 
I just opened a new tab, clicked on a bookmark, switched back to TNB, and watched in horror as TNB turned into the page I was trying to open
Thanks a bunch, Firefox
 
@Neil Well, Charcoal is a hard language to program by the looks of it, so I congratulate ASCII_only for programming it without it being littered with bugs.
I tried to make a self-modifying BF interpreter and even that was littered with bugs and probably still is (github.com/MilkyWay90/M.I.C.G.B.F.)
or https://github.com/MilkyWay90/M.I.C.G.B.F., if the link is broken
Is there a programming language called A++ or B++
 
@MilkyWay90 A++
 
@Adám Then my slogan "Why get a C++ when you can get an A++?" can finally be true
 
@MilkyWay90 Yes, until you asked now, I thought that was what you had in mind when I saw your profile.
 
9:13 PM
@Adám Oh, can you use MarkDown in your slogan?
 
um... yeah, the "about me" section is similar to a post in many aspects
 
@MilkyWay90 You can't in your chat profile, but you can in your site profile.
@MilkyWay90 B++
 
@Adám Okay!
Okay, my About Me page has been edited
And does anybody have an idea for a new programming idea? I'm looking for an idea which would be unique or very hard to program (not a Befunge derivative, though)
Like my self-modifying interpreter, that was hard for me to program
Or my Turing Machine But Way Worse language, that was very hard for me to program
 
@MilkyWay90 You mean a new programming language idea?
 
@Adám Oh sorry, yes
I just realized how hard it is to jitterclick on a Mac mouse compared to a Windows Mouse
 
9:38 PM
@MilkyWay90 (Off topic: What is a Mac Mouse and a Windows Mouse?)
@MilkyWay90 Try implementing a left-to-right APL dialect.
 
@Adám wait normal APL isn't left-to-right? O_o
 
@Adám Mac Mouse is probably the one-click blobby mouse that ships with macs
It kinda sucks but the scroll-wheel is alright
 
@Downgoat Well-written APL code can easily be read left-to-right, but functions are right-associative — have long right-scope — evaluate from right to left.
 
(psst, I think Downgoat was misled by Amazon...)
:P
 
@EriktheOutgolfer amazon?
 
I'm genuinely afraid true APL related material will drown in the sea of Alexa-related websites, posts, and literature.
 
@EriktheOutgolfer wow
 
But also, how did they fail so spectacularly at checking whether the name was taken?
 
REVOLUTION!
 
@EriktheOutgolfer But how? It isn't like Amazon has a physical presence, and their online presence is "too big to listen"…
 
9:47 PM
It's simple, we kill Jeff Bozo
 
@Adám well, since we can't take it the legal way, we, of course, do it the illegal way! ;)
 
@Veskah *FBI knocks on door*
 
@EriktheOutgolfer Which is hack AWS and erase all mention of Alexa…?
 
@Downgoat Nah, Amazon Delivery Agents will ship me to a Black Site free of charge
 
9:55 PM
@Adám or just DDoS Amazon...
preferably with an APL program to show them what the real stuff can do :P
 
@EriktheOutgolfer Yeah, about that, wonder how much it would cost to buy the required computing power on AWS…
 
@Adám not AWS, the regular Amazon
 
@Adám The only DDoS where the better you do, the worse your attack becomes
 
like, buy&sell
 
@EriktheOutgolfer Yes, use AWS to host a (D)DoS attack against regular Amazon. Apparently, Amazon doesn't work with big margins: all the new holiday gift Alexa devices succesfully DDoS'ed them.
 
10:05 PM
It can be pretty hard to accurately predict the level of new traffic. You don't want to shoot too low because then you end up overwhelming your services, and you don't want to shoot too high because that costs money (by running machines you don't really need).
 
@El'endiaStarman Uh, I'd think Amazon would want to err on the side of apparent reliability of Alexa with a safety margin of, say, 200% of produced Alexa devices.
 
So I would guess that Amazon did know how many Alexa devices were purchased and just lowballed the percentage that would use them right away.
@Adám It's super expensive to do that though.
 
@El'endiaStarman At this point in time, where OK-Google, Siri, Cortana, and Bixby all are fighting for the personal AI assistant market, appearance of reliability and speed is everything. I'm sure Amazon can afford a dozen more data centres just for that.
 
It's also possible there was a bug (or poor planning) that generated more traffic than planned/desired.
 
@EriktheOutgolfer Any particular reason you haven't answered the submatrix counting challenge in APL yet?
 
10:13 PM
@Adám I'm not sure you're aware of how expensive that is. For reference, my company does loadtesting before a new game is launched and we go well beyond what we expect to need to handle the sudden high load at launch. Both of those would cost literally hundreds of thousands of dollars per month, and that's for no more than a few hundred beefy machines. I have no idea how many are needed to handle the traffic for Alexa, but I'm sure the cost is at least in the (tens of) millions.
 
@El'endiaStarman Amazon makes tens of thousands of millions in profit.
 
Of course, the question then becomes: would it have been worth it to scale up more? Did Amazon lose money on the order of millions of dollars because Alexa services went down temporarily? I have no idea at all; that's not my area of expertise.
 
@Adám because I'm busy answering other challenges... :P
 
@Adám And they need that much, yeah? Or close to it, at least.
 
@EriktheOutgolfer What are you chatting for then‽ Get working! Those challenges won't answer themselves ;-)
 
10:16 PM
@Adám job has so-called "break" too, in case you didn't notice :P
in fact, I'm currently answering another challenge in Python...
 
@EriktheOutgolfer Actually, maybe it should be left for someone less skilled than you, as it is truly trivial.
 
@Adám well... currently, it's 00:17 here, so guess what's happening in my family...
not to mention a potential power o
 
@EriktheOutgolfer No idea. What?
 
@Adám apparently, they're still hyping about the new year...
like it's not 00:19 already
 
@EriktheOutgolfer Cutting vasilopita?
 
10:20 PM
@Adám no, just weirdness
the vasilopita has already been cut by now :P
(dad literally crossed it first... and the coin happened to be on the "House and Saints" piece lol)
@Adám so... I happened to figure out the answer in the meanwhile... yawwwwn
 
Jewish new year is much easier to experience — it happens around 6 PM.
@EriktheOutgolfer How many bytes?
 
@Adám 5
uh... why the star?
 
@EriktheOutgolfer Dunno, I thought I had mis-clicked, but it isn't mine.
@EriktheOutgolfer You can chop 1.
 
@Adám yep
unfortunately, I would've liked to chop another one >_<
(btw, I'm not sure why I'm still stuck with the longer way when the shorter way is obviously equivalent...)
 
@EriktheOutgolfer What do you mean by being stuck with the longer way. Didn't you find the shorter?
 
10:31 PM
@Adám yeah, I mean the stuff in my skull just automatically opts for the longer one at first
the shorter one always comes in later :P
 
@EriktheOutgolfer Me too, is new and ≢⍸ hasn't really become an idiom (neither for humans, nor for the interpreter) yet.
 
@Adám maybe it has to do with the fact that I can't improve that aspect when I have school stuff
 
Also, it doesn't work (yet) for non-Booleans, but I'm lobbying for it. Dyadic will allow duplicates, so why shouldn't monadic allow "duplicates"?
@EriktheOutgolfer What aspect?
 
@Adám golf
 
@EriktheOutgolfer aspect skill?
 
10:35 PM
@Adám well... it's actually the "aspect of the unimportant" in my mind, basically anything that doesn't have to do with my future life
 
The future is overrated — we're never there yet.
 
ngn
@EriktheOutgolfer lol, so you have this thing with coin there too
 
@ngn yeeeeah...
 
ngn
@EriktheOutgolfer dogwood too?
 
@ngn nah, at least not in my house, be it spelt with ee or oo
 
ngn
10:47 PM
@EriktheOutgolfer i couldn't remember its english name the first time... here they put a piece of it in each slice and it has some meaning of what your new year will be like, a bit like "fortune cookies"
and, of course, one of the pieces contains The Coin, and whoever gets it will be the luckiest
 
@ngn ouch... are there... bad slices too?
 
ngn
@EriktheOutgolfer no, just positive things, e.g. "a trip", "health", "love", etc
 
@ngn "a trip to hell", "health problems", "love issues"? maybe they're traps?
or am I just a bit pessimistic rn? :P
 
ngn
@EriktheOutgolfer they are not meant to be traps, but sometimes awkward permutations might happen, like a just-married person getting "new love" or a 5-year old "a car" :)
 
@ngn oh so those can happen... :P
i.e. "love" might mean "you'll become a cheater"?
 
ngn
10:58 PM
@EriktheOutgolfer if you take this thing too seriously :)
 
@ngn well, it is a representation of a future prediction, tbf... predictions are never certain
 
You have to be very careful what you ask for. I remember a Donald duck story where Donald uses an Aladdin-style lamp, but the genie keeps interpreting Donald's wishes in unintended ways.
 
ngn
by the way, it's not a pita here but banitsa (filo pastry)
 
@Adám yeah my dad is a specialist of genies
he was blabbering about 'em a few days ago
 
 
11:00 PM
yep, exactly what you read
he was literally talking about how genies work
 
ngn
@Adám that's why if your ever meet a genie, your first wish should be "i want more wishes" :)
 
@ngn Oh no, Disney covers that. Meta-wishes are not allowed. Also not wishes of love etc.
 
@ngn dad actually declined that...
he says genies can't change their nature, or make anybody have power greater than or equal to theirs
although I guess each to their own :P
 
I wonder if you could wish for tokens that can explicitly be traded for additional wishes
 
@ngn You get one more wish, for a net increase of 0 wishes.
Or... you get -2 more wishes.
@Veskah That's a good one.
You get -1 tokens, it annihilates with the surrounding air, you die.
 
11:04 PM
@wizzwizz4 Joke's on you, that was the second wish
 
"gimme tokeeeeeeeeeeeeens!" → "yep I give you -99999999999999999 tokens you dead from asphyxiation"
 
My rabbi told me how he prayed for and was granted to marry his first date. I wanted to repeat his success but phrased my prayer wrong, asking to only have to date one girl before getting married. So God snickered and let me only date one girl before getting married — to someone else.
 
It's better then being smited, I guess. Old Testament God was a rude dude
 
@Adám lol irl?
 
@EriktheOutgolfer Yes. She's right here next to me.
 
11:12 PM
@Adám What is APL
 
@Adám maybe you said "I want to date only one girl before getting married" instead of "I want to marry the girl I first date"? or you omitted the word "girl" as well?
 
@MilkyWay90 Awesome Party, Larry
 
@MilkyWay90 A generalisation and extension of traditional mathematical notation to the point of becoming a full-fledged programming language.
@Veskah Actually, A Programming Language.
 
Adám Pulls Levers.
3
Secretly, behind the hedge.
APL doesn't actually work.
Adám can read minds, and pulls levers. That's all.
 
@wizzwizz4 Now that I think about it, I've never seen Adam and Professor X in the same room
 
11:19 PM
APL is the only programming language that both has its own fleet and its own space craft division.
 
Don't forget that it can now play Despacito
 
@wizzwizz4 Now I don't have to do it any more: Alexa will do it for me.
@Veskah What?
 
"Alexa, play Despacito" is an over-ripe meme
 
@Veskah Ugh, I had to look it up ⍥
 
Heh
 
11:43 PM
@Veskah How do you know I'm going to a party?!
 
@MilkyWay90 um... your identicon... changed?
 
@EriktheOutgolfer I have no idea how that happened
 
@MilkyWay90 It's New Years, bruh. Them brews aren't gonna drink themselves
 
pretty sure we blame either SE or Gravatar for that...
 
Retro Fan
this is a secret hat
@Veskah I can't drink I'm underage
 
11:46 PM
@MilkyWay90 That's never stopped anyone in the history of mankind
 
@Veskah Yes, it has
Is it not allowed for @Veskah to push me to do something illegal
 
You want to be cool, don't you :^)
 
@Veskah No I don't
 
Well then you're in the right place
 
I don't want to make a fool out of myself, so no
i do not want to be cool
got to go
 
11:50 PM
Adios
 
ngn
@Adám "to only have to date one girl" - if i was your god, i'd introduce you to yet another one before your wife, and later i'd say "you didn't have to date this one, she was optional" :D
 
@ngn that's dumb... introduce him to ∞! :P
all but the "last" were optional...
 
Gotta Monty Hall him, show him three girls where only one is optimal
 
ngn
@EriktheOutgolfer hehe, i was expecting a "rotate it to get 8" joke :)
 
@EriktheOutgolfer Well, the first is exactly what I wrote, no? Both my date and my bride were "girls" in the sense of being single and never married.
 
11:53 PM
@Adám I hope there were a few more things that qualified them as girls
 
@Veskah Uh, they were both female… (and at least my wife still is)
 
ngn
@Adám that was in hebrew, presumably?
 
@ngn What was?
 
ngn
@Adám the prayer. not english?
 
@ngn No, Danish.
 
ngn
11:55 PM
ah...
 
@ngn Now, I think about it, I don't think I used any word for girl. My wife-to-be was a girl in the legal sense though. My date wasn't.
 
@Adám um... the term is "unmarried female humans" in that sense?
 
@EriktheOutgolfer It sounds weird to say that I prayed to only date one unmarried female human before marrying one.
Also, itsn't it only possible to date someone who is unmarried? If they are married it is called having an affair with, no?
 
Open marriages, dawg.
You can date a married person
 
@Adám a "date" is actually an activity regardless of marital status
 
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