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12:33 AM
Yours is better because it ends in normal mode though
 
1:20 AM
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

BubblerDensely packed decimal (DPD) to decimal code-golf binary conversion Background Densely packed decimal (DPD) is a way to efficiently store decimal digits in binary. It stores three decimal digits (000 to 999) in 10 bits, so it is much more efficient than naive BCD (which stores one digit in 4 bi...

 
1:34 AM
@Adám Which version of Windows does this work on
 
Hmm, anyone know off-hand if there's a challenge that simulates a cisco ios ping? I'm thinking have it be a 50% chance of packet loss, animate . or ! to the console for each tick, then output the percentage of success. Something nice and simple
 
Not that I know of
 
@Pavel works on win7 here
 
I wonder what the most important skill in code golf is
Obviously ability to solve the problem in the first place, ability to estimate whether an approach is short, fluency, working memory, knowledge of idioms, perseverance are all important
But is there one of those that especially distinguishes top golfers?
 
1:52 AM
Formula/Pattern spotting seems a big one. Key part in ASCII art and finding sweet mathy answers
 
@lirtosiast Occasionally even just knowing the syntax rules like the back of your hand if you're doing a more verbose language.
 
@Zacharý True, knowing all the optimal ways to do some particular bit is usually good enough to get you 80% of the way there
 
@Zacharý This is true, I don't think about it much because I usually use golfing languages
 
@Veskah Yeah, I was mainly thinking of me golfing other people's answers into oblivion.
(I mostly get that part in with suggesting golfs on people's answers in C/C++)
(There I can macro the thing to high hell)
 
It seems like there are two aspects to code golf: optimizing particular snippets and finding the correct approach
Where the first is always important and the second gets more important as the problem gets harder (and solution space gets larger)
 
2:49 AM
Man, if someone posts a Duplicate link after like 10 seconds, I'm going to be butthurt
 
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Q: Simulate a Cisco Ping

VeskahPremise: For those in networking, you've most likely have had send a ping to or from something to make sure everything's properly connected. Cisco, a popular company in networking[citation needed], has a command for it in their IOS that looks like this: (Image source) Your challenge is to g...

 
Are tags organized by popularity in the sub-header? It looks that way
 
Yes.
 
Now I fervently mash f5
 
@Veskah You know that the page will show if there is an answer and you can click to see it right :P
 
3:02 AM
@Quintec It's just not the same
 
@Veskah On the other hand, my F5 key changes the brightness of my MacBook keyboard :)
 
Never a bad time for a rave
 
@JoKing Congrats! And you just barely got that 200 reputation for the badge :)
 
3:33 AM
I wonder if the number of sandbox entries will ever catch up to the number of questions on this site
 
@lirtosiast It might, but probably not for awhile. There's still enough off-the-cuff questions that can be chucked out without needing to refine it all that much.
 
True
 
4:21 AM
idea: a === b same as a = a == b
 
@Downgoat Extend it to !== <== >==
 
We must go deeper, a ==== b
 
So what you're saying is a != b should be a = a ! b
 
4:42 AM
@lirtosiast Non-deleted sandbox entries, or total?
 
Or =!= =<= =>=, then we can also have =< and =>
 
Isn't ! unary? So you'd use it like a != menaing a = !a.
 
5:12 AM
@Downgoat In Dyalog APL you can do a anyfn←b which means a←a anyfn b. E.g. a=←b a<←b a>←b a≡←b a×←b a,←b etc.
 
 
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6:36 AM
@feersum Which one is the number below the question?
 
I have a question. Related both to this answer, this answer and this meta answer. Both of my answers in MathGolf end with ], which wraps the stack in an array.
Some people say that the wrapping is unnecessary since it only serves to format the output, while others say that since MathGolf's output format don't print the stack as an array, but as a joined string, I should keep the wrapping in array. What should I do? Should I save a byte but have output badly formatted, should I place the ] in the footer? Should I accept the extra byte for those solutions?
 
I think you need the extra byte
The principle that languages are defined by their implementations overrides most others, and as it's currently implemented you can't distinguish 314 from 3, 1, 4
 
@lirtosiast That's a clearer answer, and it makes sense. It's not a huge loss, since I have used it to my advantage a few times. Thanks!
 
O_o why does a test case work when run individually but when run in test runner fails
 
6:55 AM
@Downgoat What's the test?
 
7:05 AM
@maxb for VSL , LLVM throws a “incompatible function argument types” error
For a test program very weird
 
@Downgoat Hmm, I can't say that I've worked with VSL before, but it does indeed seem strange.
 
8:01 AM
even weirder: only occurs when run with other tests despite the fact each test is executed in an independent process.
Ooooohhhh has to do with dynamic libraries...
 
 
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9:48 AM
@Downgoat The obvious solution is to never use more than one process, ever. Just like the good old days of iPhone.
 
 
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11:14 AM
I'm pleasantly surprised with how well my arbitrary randomness challenge was received
 
What I would like to see in such challenges is random bytes provided as an input.
Then (a) you can make the program deterministic, and (b) you can't shave time by using a crappier random engine.
 
11:29 AM
@Skidsdev I am really excited for the fastest-code submissions. They always blow me away.
 
11:43 AM
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Q: Kolmogorov Flexibility. A.K.A. Sale! \$38\%\$ Off All Codegolf While Stocks Last!

Jonathan AllanThis is a restricted-source, kolmogorov-complexity, code-golf challenge to produce a fixed output with no input. The output format, however, is flexible - it may be printed to standard out, printed to standard error, returned as a list of characters, returned as a list of bytes, or returned as a...

 
 
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12:44 PM
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Q: Number of rotations

Vedant KandoiTask Write a function or a program to find the number of rotations required by a wheel to travel a given distance, given its radius. Rules Input can be 2 positive rational numbers and can be taken in any convenient format. Both inputs are of same unit. There must not be any digits 0-9 in you...

 
@NewMainPosts huh, I can't see any answers... must be that they're all whitespace
 
Do we have a generalised diagonal challenge? I.e. return the list consisting of elements [0,0,…,0], [1,1,…,1][k,k,…,k] of a size kⁿ, n-dimensional array?
 
1:01 PM
@Adám Don't think so but I'm not sure I understand your spec
 
@Fatalize Maybe an example can help: [[[1,2,3],[4,5,6],[7,8,9]],[[10,11,12],[13,14,15],[16,17,18]],[[19,20,21],[22,2‌​3,24],[25,26,27]]][1,14,27]
 
I see
 
and I thought k and n are the inputs, not the array itself :P
 
It can possibly be made more interesting by not guaranteeing dimension lengths, e.g. [[[1,2],[3,4],[5,6]],[[7,8],[9,10],[11,12]],[[13,14],[15,16],[17,18]]][1,10]
@EriktheOutgolfer That's an alternative challenge. :-)
 
@Adám well... actually, I at first thought that the word "diagonal" was used in error over there
like, a completely different challenge
 
1:11 PM
@EriktheOutgolfer Not really. I.e. {"n":4,"k":3}[1,41,81]
 
@Adám no, not this, something else
 
@EriktheOutgolfer Then what did you understand?
 
@Adám for example, k = 4, n = 2 → [[0, 0, 0, 0], [1, 1, 1, 1], [2, 2, 2, 2], [3, 3, 3, 3]]
 
@EriktheOutgolfer What does k=2 n=3 give?
 
@Adám [[[0, 0], [0, 0]], [[1, 1], [1, 1]]]
I know, very messed up
 
1:14 PM
@EriktheOutgolfer OK, that's… odd.
The major cells are full of one of ⍳k each, and the shape is n⍴k?
 
@Adám more like ⎕IO←0⋄(⊃I)≡I⌷x, (n⍴k)≡⍴x (where x is the result)
and, of course, n≡⍴I and ⎕IO←0⋄∧/I∊⍳k
 
n(⊢∘⍳+⍤0 ¯1⍴⍴0××)k
 
@Adám 0×× can be {0} (same length), no?
 
@EriktheOutgolfer Yup, I just thought it was fun to throw some math in there. I hope to get 0⍨ accepted for 18.0.
0⊣⊢ works too, and a bunch of others.
 
btw, I have a 5-byte solution for the diagonal challenge, although I won't show it yet
 
1:25 PM
@EriktheOutgolfer Nice. I only have 6
Maybe it would be better to do the k,n→d as the test cases will be much more compact?
 
@Adám \\#(\_(?\/\r\*) solves that case, I haven't tried any other cases, but I think the logic holds. When I get my current changes up to TIO I could probably knock off 2-4 bytes.
 
@Adám clueless prediction: from there, you need a bit of thought before the snap comes :P
 
@maxb Cool, but hold your Buddhas horses, I may main it.
@EriktheOutgolfer Got 5, but doesn't work on empty arrays, and requires ⎕IO←1.
 
@Adám yep; although empty arrays are edge cases
 
@EriktheOutgolfer True, and shouldn't be included in the actual challenge since many languages (including JSON) can't.
@EriktheOutgolfer Get the joke ^?
 
1:34 PM
@Adám yeah, those empty array jokes :P
 
@EriktheOutgolfer :-⍬ or should it be :- ?
 
uh... what kind of tongue formation is that
(yes, it looks like some yucky tongue formation at first)
 
1:54 PM
I'll be running whatever answers exist so far on my fastest-code challenge tonight to give their actual scores
 
 
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4:02 PM
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Q: Find the best period in which to have invested in a S&P500 index fund

ngmHere are the annual returns for a hypothetical S&P 500 stock index fund for each calendar year from 1928 to 2017, expressed as a multiplier. So in 1927 you might say "the index went up by 37.88%" which I've represented here by 1.3788. 1.3788, 0.8809, 0.7152, 0.5293, 0.8485, 1.4659, 0.9406, 1.413...

 
4:49 PM
Java 12 to introduce `raw strings`
Also, Switch expressions: openjdk.java.net/jeps/325
And C#-style cast-check (simple pattern matching): openjdk.java.net/jeps/305
 
5:07 PM
Hello, Java-not-script
Sorry, forgot editing a reply pings.
 
Um, it looks like there are 90 integers in there, not 89. — Erik the Outgolfer 30 mins ago
so, I said "integers"
 
What is this in response to?
 
ngn
@EriktheOutgolfer @Adám ⍴⍴0×× can be 0⍴⍨⍴
 
@ngn No, clashes with 's operand.
 
ngn
5:16 PM
ah...
 
yeah, that was my concern
 
ngn
@Adám is n=0 valid input?
if not, ⍴⍴↓ could work
 
@ngn Erik's challenge.
 
ngn
@EriktheOutgolfer ^
 
yeah, hm
it's an edge case
 
5:29 PM
@Adám No generalized diagonal challenge I can find; I checked when posting dyadic transpose
 
ngn
@Adám the 0 in +⍤0 ¯1 seems unnecessary
it could also be +[0] (except for n=0)
and isn't the whole thing just ⊃¨∘⍳⍴
 
5:53 PM
Would it be a good idea to have a community wiki answer on challenges to collect the languages that cannot solve the challenge? (e.g. Find an Illegal String could probably use one)
And has this been asked/done before?
 
@ETHproductions sounds like a good meta-question to me
 
Well, if it's provable, then I'd say so.
 
@ETHproductions couldn't find any post in meta relating to this specific question
 
Oh, and hello Ð.
 
Hello ý
@J.Sallé Thanks, I'll write one up then...
 
6:24 PM
LOL.
 
@ETHproductions Nope, CW doesn't allow breaking rules.
If ETH is Ð and Zacharý is ý, am I á?
 
@Adám Hmm. Well, the other idea that came to mind while writing it up was a separate answer for each language--like a regular answer, but proving impossibility instead. I suppose that would be against the rules as well?
 
@ETHproductions Yes, but why don't you write a challenge for it?
 
@Adám Yeah, I'd assume so.
 
@Adám Now there's an idea--a challenge for proving something is impossible in your language of choice :-) Not what I was going for though; I just want to somehow establish that the optimal solution in a given language is no solution.
 
6:38 PM
The first letter of Οurous is not O. I guess that's why @ auto-completes to that — to make it easier to ping with a standard keyboard.
 
It's capital Omicron, if I remember correctly.
 
@Zacharý Yes.
 
Woah, that's nice functionality.
 
@Zacharý So far, I only support Upper circled Latin, upper and lower Latin, Cyrillic, and Greek, plus normal, superscript, and subscript digits.
 
6:54 PM
@Zacharý Yeah, it will give you from the closest starting point of any of those.
 
hah I like that windows 10 turns 2 of those into emojis
they stand out
(namely ⌚ and ⌛)
 
Linux as well, my friend
 
I mean with linux it depends on what system font you have installed
sorry to be clear by turns them into emojis I mean shows full color icons for them
 
⎕ucs 65038 to the rescue…
 
6:56 PM
Bug fix?
 
mojibake
 
@Zacharý looks like UTF-8 converted to ISO-8859-1?
 
Yeah...
 
Off-topic question: What is the most precise moment in time that is considered "significant"?
 
7:01 PM
I think the Big Bang counts as "significant"
 
define significant
 
or is that not what you're asking?
 
I think adam means smallest measurement of time
 
oh, then the Planck time perhaps?
 
PLANCK
(sorry caps lock, and ninja'd ...)
 
7:02 PM
Second: The time needed for a cesium-133 atom to perform 9,192,631,770 complete oscillations.
 
planck mass is funny
 
so 1 oscillation of a cesium-133 atom?
 
it’s about 1 flea's egg
 
No, I mean, most famous moments in history are known by their dates. Occasionally something happened at a specific hour.
 
Oh okay
 
7:03 PM
The best I've found so far was Apollo 11's Moon landing, known to the (relativity!) second.
 
that's probably more precise than my suggestion
which was the signing of the world war 1 armistice
 
@Skidsdev Most people take more than a second to sign something.
 
right but you could determine the exact second pen hit paper, but I don't think we know that exact second
or the exact second the signing was complete, at which point the armistice came into effect
 
@Skidsdev Exactly my point. So what is the most precise "significant" moment we do know?
 
I think we only know it to the hour though
"The eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month, 1918"
 
7:06 PM
<current time here>
 
Maybe we know the millisecond the LHC made its first collision?
 
maybe
 
How about when a leap-second was added to clocks that couple years ago? That had to be very precise on NIST's part.
 
@AdmBorkBork Ah, the very first leap-second?
 
do we know that to the millisecond though? Trouble is with things like that, it could take longer than a single ms to actually happen
 
7:09 PM
not sure if leap seconds are considered significant, apart from the first
 
LHC collision could probably be accurate to the nanosecond, but I don't think we measure that precisely
 
First leap second was Jun 30, '72 at 23:59:60.000 UTC (by definition?)
 
@Adám Here's a question related to mine. The difference is that this one talks about generally impossible challenges, not just im/possible per-language. Couldn't find one about per-language.
 
Oh, I got one - how about when LIGO first detected gravitational waves?
I think that's on the order of ms
 
We could probably find the moment of the first commit to the Linux repo down to the millisecond, if the full history exists somewhere online
The repo on GitHub only goes back to 2005-04-16T22:20:36Z
 
7:16 PM
So I noticed nandgame linked in the chat pins, and in my attempt to create an or gate, I accidentally created a nand gate...
 
@ETHproductions Linus Torvalds released Git four years after he released Linux, so that kind-of makes sense. The date you have is just a week after Git was released.
 
...wow, I totally forgot to take that into consideration xD
 
@ETHproductions afaik git relies on unix timestamps, which is only accurate to the second
ugh can somebody give me a hint on how to build an OR gate using only AND, NAND and NOT? :P
 
@Skidsdev Right.
 
@Skidsdev You can do NOT on the output of an AND gate
 
7:21 PM
@ETHproductions jesus christ I'm an actual idiot
 
but that's NAND
(literally NOT AND)
 
No it isn't
well yeah but no
Or wait no, I'd need to NOT a NAND gate
 
@Skidsdev Hint: OR is false when p∧~q and when p∧q and when q∧~p
 
@EriktheOutgolfer wow, I'm an actual idiot :P
 
because a NAND gate is only 1 on 0 and 0
we want the opposite of that (1 on anything but 0 and 0)
@Adám you lost me after the first when
 
7:22 PM
@Skidsdev false
 
@Skidsdev start by doing NOT on both inputs
 
NAND is only 0 when its inputs are both 1
 
@EriktheOutgolfer ok correction, NAND is only 1 on 0 and 0 in this game
 
@Skidsdev Just translate exactly that!
 
@Skidsdev that's NOR
 
7:23 PM
that's an OR
 
In digital electronics, a NAND gate (NOT-AND) is a logic gate which produces an output which is false only if all its inputs are true; thus its output is complement to that of an AND gate. A LOW (0) output results only if all the inputs to the gate are HIGH (1); if any input is LOW (0), a HIGH (1) output results. A NAND gate is made using transistors and junction diodes. By De Morgan's theorem, a two-input NAND gate's logic may be expressed as AB=A+B, making a NAND gate equivalent to inverters followed by an OR gate. The NAND gate is significant because any boolean function can be implemented...
 
yeah wel, this game also calls NOT "inv" so.. yeah
 
but it doesn't have bugged NAND gates
 
oh no nevermind you guys are right, this game is correct about NAND
I am still an idiot
 
I've always wondered how the NAND gates output an electrical signal when given 0 and 0... now I see they just have a power input as well, lol
 
7:24 PM
∨≡~⍢~
 
haha, yes
 
I'm such a noob at electrical engineering, though much less of one after playing this game :-)
 
@Adám ~ is not right? Is ^ and?
 
@Skidsdev Yes, in standard formal logic notation (and in APL)
 
no wait & is and, is ^ NAND?
oh
ok yeah that's the set up I already had
my problem then was merging all 3 inputs
 
7:26 PM
Electrical engineering: Every machine is a smoke machine if you operate it wrong enough.
3
 
because nandgame only lets each input node link to 1 output node (although a single output node can link to multiple input nodes)
so then I'd need to somehow OR all 3 of those results to get my answer
 
@Skidsdev a∨b∨c
 
what's v? NAND?
 
OR in standard formal logic notation (and in APL).
 
@Skidsdev well... how many wires go to one input? :P
 
7:27 PM
Yeah but I don't have OR, that's the whole point. I'm trying to create OR using only NAND, NOT and AND
I got it anyway, it's ~a NAND ~b
 
it's pretty easy if you think a little bit, I'm sure
yay!
hint: use truth tables
 
yup :P
hmm now xor
 
If you've got and, or, not, it should be easy.
 
not isn't necessary if you have nand
 
@EriktheOutgolfer Obviously, that's the entire game. Is there a norgame too?
 
7:31 PM
I've been fine with the logic part of electrical engineering (what the game is based off of) but the wiring and grounding and all that ... never been good with it.
@EriktheOutgolfer Nothing else is necessary if you have NAND :P
 
yeah that's the whole point of the game, you start with just a NAND and have to construct all the other gates
thankfully once you construct another gate it gives you that gate
 
no, I mean, you don't even need to craft a NOT gate for XOR
 
right
so if ~ is NOR, ^ is AND and v is OR, what's NAND? ~^? :P
 
They should totally make a norgame.com (only the first few steps will be different), just to make the point that either is sufficient.
@Skidsdev Yes .
 
ooh
 
7:33 PM
@Skidsdev Now can you guess NOR?
 
ok so (AvB)^(A⍲B) gets me XOR
uh.. a compond symbol of ~v?
 
@Skidsdev Yup; .
 
oh good I know how to make a half adder :D
 
@Skidsdev Can you guess XOR?
 
7:35 PM
hmm
see in C# (and I think JS and Java), XOR is ^
 
@Skidsdev Try looking at the truth table and see if you notice a pattern.
@Skidsdev That's just silly, when ∧ is the real symbol for AND.
 
is XOR a combination of NOR, NOT and AND?
 
@Skidsdev No, the truth table is
0 1
1 0
 
`8
 
@Skidsdev So what relationship is there between A and B for XOR to be true?
 
7:37 PM
a and ~b or b and ~a
 
(Think outside of ∨, ∧, and ~)
 
@Skidsdev Yes, so A and B are _______? (in English)
 
opposites?
inverted?
 
@Skidsdev Are A and B the same value when XOR is true?
 
no
oh is it the not equal sign? The equals with the slash through it?
 
7:40 PM
@Skidsdev Exactly!
 
the one that I can't type because I don't have a numpad to do altcodes :P
woo!
 
@Skidsdev And how about NXOR? (a.k.a. XNOR for some strange reason)
 
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=?
 
@Skidsdev Yes!
@Skidsdev What Zacharý is trying to say is that you should visit this page.
 
7:42 PM
oh yeah I had that on my old PC from when I started to learn APL
there we go
lmao I'm thinking back to minecraft to remember how to build a full adder
 
So a neat thing: you can "play" NandGame in APL. E.g. inv←⊢⍲⊢ (NAND with both connectors going to the same side), and←inv⊣⍲⊢, or←(~⊣)⍲(~⊢) etc.
 
@Adám yeah, the last thing in my dyalog repl is an xor gate made out of trains & :p
 
You can even set up an oscillator clock with ⎕FX'c←c' 'c←2|6⊃⎕TS'. Now if you continuously query c you'll see that it switches between 0 and 1 every second.
@dzaima trains and or trains of ?
 
@Adám trains of (and & because you can't trains without them)
 
oh boy
 
7:54 PM
@dzaima Right, and then if you built it step by step, you can query its value (with ]box on -t=parens) to get its entire definition just made of (⊣⍲⊢)
 
the game just jumped from "Great you figured out how to add 2 2-bit numbers with a carry, now let's do 16-bit"
 
@J.Sallé Posted. (cc @Adám)
 
@Skidsdev yeah, i felt like it needed an intermediate step there, at least by showing how the adders get chained up (not that it's very important or anything, but still)
 
@ETHproductions why not just make it "a challenge" in general?
 
@EriktheOutgolfer Just thought of that myself, thanks.
 
8:00 PM
oof, reached my first level where I didn't get the minimum possible
 
It gets worse from there, friend
 
oh no, got it down from 9 to 7 but it can still be done smaller
hmm ok, b if a else c
 
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Q: What should we do when a language cannot answer a given challenge?

ETHproductionsMany challenges, mainly restricted-source, are impossible in some languages. Find an Illegal String is a good example—many languages without syntax errors, such as brainfuck (deleted answer), can simply be put in an infinite loop before the illegal string is reached within the code. The challenge...

 
8:51 PM
CMC: Let X1, X2, X3, …, Xn be a list of integers given. Output the product Y1 * Y2 * Y3 * … * Yn, where Yk is the lowest natural number whose prime factors are the same as Xk's (that is, without counting multiplicities)
Note that this is unbelievably short in 05AB1E...
 
@Mr.Xcoder Yk is?
 
@Adám Yk for each 1 ≤ k ≤ n.
k is an index.
 
@Mr.Xcoder Ah, ok.
 
@Mr.Xcoder Jelly, 6 bytes: ÆfQ€ẎP
 
@EriktheOutgolfer Nice, an equivalent: ÆFZPPḢ
 
because that's not a class, but an imported module
also, classes need instantiation too
 
you could probably do it with a metaclass
hmm actually
 
@EriktheOutgolfer Right. It doesn't work if I remove the self parameter, either
Modules in python are "normal" objects
 
actually, they're special
 
can you hook into the creation of a module like that
probably not
 
9:15 PM
The ideal is to be able to define __call__
So if your module only has one method in it
You can call the module directly
I'm actually curious why it doesn't work, though. Is + special-cased to check for modules?
 
well, you can't actually make an instance of a module
 
9:31 PM
@ThomasWard How much work is it for a mod to clear the stars from many consecutive messages?
 
i'd have to clear them per message, which ones need hosed?
 
@ThomasWard Then I (RO) can do it myself. Thanks!
 
ok
@Adám alternatively we can just nuke the room and begin again but for obvious reasons you probably DON'T want to do that :P
 
@ThomasWard No no.
 
that's what I thought :P
 
9:42 PM
@ThomasWard All done. Wasn't that bad. The confirmation prompts are annoying though.
 
indeed
 
10:06 PM
@ThomasWard how are your eyes doing?
 
Currently undergoing LASIK?
 
10:35 PM
Today's XKCD so applies to me. ⍨
 
Same, only update site information when actually forced to
 
@Veskah My bank refused to update my address when they found out that my old address was missing the flat letter.
 
@Adám so now you still have your old adress?
 
It applies to me too when I order pizza in particular lol
 
No, he had to buy the entire apartment building @flawr
 
10:42 PM
@flawr At the bank yes, but my wife (we have a joint account) managed to move her address to our new actual place.
 
@Mr.Xcoder Have you registered your adress on a pizza delivery service?
 
They've done it automatically :)
 
I asked the bank what would happen if I just close the account. They said they'd send a cheque with the remaining balance. I wonder where they'd send it…
 
hehe
 
banks are over-complicating things...
 
10:44 PM
Citing my maths prof., if you enter a bank you're surely going to lose money :P
... and time
 
That's why I use an online bank.
no need to enter anywhere :)
 
That's the same bank that refused to let me cancel my loan because of that missing letter in the address, so I had to keep paying interest even though I had already paid back the entire loan.
 
O_o
 
@NathanMerrill That's what I'm planning on switching to, but it's just so complicated to do so.
 
yeah, I'm actually in that process right now.
The biggest hold up is my wife: she gets (justifiably) worried whenever big things happen around money
so we're slowly transferring accounts over
 
10:48 PM
How comes I have two Visa cards with the same card number, different expiration dates and different 3 digits on the back? Does that mean that multiple answers to those two things are valid for a single card number?
 
I've never heard of that
 
And yes, both cards are functional, and no, I did not report my card lost.
 
Bank renewed my card which was same number ,diff exp dates and security code. I think they were both valid during the overlap of ordering it in the mail and getting it
 
@Veskah Ah, OK, thanks.
The older card's magnetic stripe is gone, so I primarily use that; in case I loose it, it can only be abused for small contactless amounts .
 
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