The Nineteenth Byte

caird coinheringaahing

10:00 PM

Does mentioning RO/mod powers call Riker, like V calls DJ? :P

Riker

@cairdcoinheringaahing no I just got back from the gym :p

that's all

though lol if I was here I probably would have kicked y'all long ago /s

Poke

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ did you just flip the brackets

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@Poke just the start of Pain-Flak

Riker

then why ping dennis now

>_>

probably should do soemthing with it first

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

i did

and I have more changes to come

Riker

10:03 PM

@WheatWizard Jelly, 3 bytes looks pretty cool

H.PWiz

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ I am going to delete this. Get it now if you still want it

Wheat Wizard

Thanks! I don't know what you're looking at because we haven't made a description yet but thanks.

caird coinheringaahing

I think he means the name :P

Riker

@WheatWizard the code

@H.PWiz wha'ts that?

sqrt of the big prime?

Wheat Wizard

Oh do you use Haskell then?

H.PWiz

10:04 PM

sqrt of something.

@WheatWizard Yes, Math.NumberTheory.Powers.Squares (integerSquareRoot)

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@H.PWiz got it

thanks

Riker

^^^ that's a java quality name right there

Wheat Wizard

Oh I was replying to Riker. I know you use Haskell.

H.PWiz

@Riker Yeah Math.NumberTheory has a lot of modules

caird coinheringaahing

@Riker The Verbosity version of that name: VerbostyExternalMathematicsPackage:IntegerValueOfTheSqaureRootOfTheGivenArgumen‌t :P (not really)

Poke

10:07 PM

@Riker idk about that. something something law of demeter

Riker

@Poke tru

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10:22 PM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

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Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@DJMcMayhem first large change: code runs once forward and once backward

DJMcMayhem

D:

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

The name has PAIN in it what did you expect?

also I am totally piggybacking on your readme file :P and i quote:

`#To undertand Pain-Flak you need to know brain-flak, so read this:`

@DJMcMayhem you think it would be TC still?

Riker

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ I expected weird changes that honestly didn't affect many things /shrug

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ totally

DJMcMayhem

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ I don't see why not.

Riker

10:30 PM

it can likely error out before it completes the first run through so it just executes once

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

but errors are not ok, they will be eliminated

DJMcMayhem

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ Does ))(( push '1' twice? Or does the reverse run throw errors because the brackets are in the wrong order?

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

it would push 1 twice

it reads the source backwards (should be a easy hack)

DJMcMayhem

But my point is that reading the source backwards would give (()), which is the wrong order

(which is still weird to me)

(()) is not a palindrome, though it looks like one

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

oh my

my own language version just hurt me. I am a genius

caird coinheringaahing

10:33 PM

@DJMcMayhem I think there's a name for visual palindromes (like ()())

DJMcMayhem

I remember there's a challenge about it (from helka I think?)

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

most challenges are from helka

caird coinheringaahing

Not really

We have over 9000 challenges and Calvin has ~500 IIRC

Wheat Wizard

He has ~250

Otherwise they would have more socratics

caird coinheringaahing

277 if I can count

Riker

10:36 PM

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ helka? I only know a Calvin :D

caird coinheringaahing

@WheatWizard Can you get Socratic more than once?

DJMcMayhem

Yes

Anonymous

4

DJMcMayhem

(Helka|Calvin) already has

Anonymous

Finally got my stickers!

Riker

10:37 PM

@Mego congrats!

DJMcMayhem

@Mego Party time! \o/ \o/

caird coinheringaahing

TIL Mego's real name

Riker

@Mego sticker pics, for science?

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@Mego i will send you a picture of my swag that I am supposed to get soon

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing "Stack Overflow\nRyan -"?

caird coinheringaahing

10:38 PM

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ Is that for the hats thing over WB?

DJMcMayhem

That's a strange name

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem Obviously Jeff and Joel met Mego and were inspired to name their website after him :P

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@cairdcoinheringaahing bingo

Anonymous

@cairdcoinheringaahing My first name is on my GitHub profile, so I wasn't worried about trying to hide it

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

10:42 PM

rip my language

caird coinheringaahing

@Mego Yeah, a surprising amount of people have that attitude on this site.

Anonymous

When I get my Charcoal stickers, I'll share them, too

caird coinheringaahing

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ Make it different to BrainFlak, then Dennis will probably add it.

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@cairdcoinheringaahing doing that as we speek

i just updated the readme with another core feature

@DJMcMayhem no offence but you have a horrible comment system (none)

just found where the input is read in to run the code

shoot

caird coinheringaahing

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ Well written code doesn't need comments

Pavel

10:47 PM

@Mego Did you participate in a SO podcast or something?

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@cairdcoinheringaahing well that is a lie

all code needs comments (unless you are writing a 20 line program or somthin)

Pavel

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ What do you mean, comments in BF are # comment style

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@Pavel talking about his code :|

Pavel

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ Ah

caird coinheringaahing

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ I suppose it depends on the language as well, but for something like Python the code should be understandable enough to need a maximum of about 5 comments, if that. In my opinion.

Pavel

10:49 PM

Is there anything in Python's ast module that checks if a given string is a valid variable name?

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@cairdcoinheringaahing ruby

Anonymous

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Anonymous

(Amendment 31)

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

i am 10 rep from getting another 300 network rep

Uriel

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ [citation needed]

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

10:51 PM

@Uriel F-12

i take it back dj, i couldn't see the comments :|

Anonymous

@Pavel Not that I'm aware of, but it's simple enough to check manually. It must consist of alphanumeric characters and underscores, and the first character cannot be a numeric.

caird coinheringaahing

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ Similar to Python, but can be unreadable. It depends on the coding style.

Pavel

@Mego Can they contain unicode?

Anonymous

@Pavel Yes

caird coinheringaahing

@Pavel Some Unicode characters IIRC

Anonymous

10:53 PM

Python 2 might complain without the proper # encoding: blahblah thing though

Anonymous

docs.python.org/3/reference/lexical_analysis.html#identifiers

Pavel

Well, I need to check if any string can be used as a variable name. I can always try exec(var_name+'=None') and see if it throws an exception.

Anonymous

Do it in a nested scope so that you don't inject a few thousand locals into your working scope :P

Pavel

Also that would fail for strings like print('foo') and x

totallyhuman

isn't the python brainflak interpreter called pain-flak

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

10:58 PM

wth i can't even get brain-flak to work on my computer :P

@totallyhuman there is not a python one iirc

ik b/c i asked b4

totallyhuman

github.com/Flakheads/PainFlak

Uriel

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ huh?

Anonymous

@Pavel No?

Anonymous

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ Taking a few seconds to actually spell out the words you're typing greatly improves understanding

Pavel

@Mego Fine, it would fail for strings like dostuff() #

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

11:02 PM

@Mego golf speak from calc :P (we use lots of shortenings when writing out explinations)

Anonymous

@Pavel There you go

Anonymous

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ That doesn't make it a good idea in an online chat room, with people with varying levels of mastery of English. Please be considerate and actually spell out your words.

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@Mego will do

to be clear I should talk in base 64 now? (joke)

Uriel

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ Tm90IHJlY29tbWVuZGVk

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

hmmm i can't tell if my code is bugged or if i am running everything wrong

hmmm interpreter is not bugging or returning the results

@DJMcMayhem hey how do you get the interpreter to return the results? doing ))(( returns nothing (not doing the swap just yet (disabled it))

Wheat Wizard

11:12 PM

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ If you want the main stack use the .main_stack method on the interpreter object

If you're making a fork of the lang you might want to use BrainHack instead. It's much cleaner

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

too late

Wheat Wizard

and faster

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

i am just trying to get my code to give me back my values when i run the interpreter

PhiNotPi

Nothing came of the 2017 time capsule, correct?

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@WheatWizard when i run it the code runs (i think) but no output to my command line

Wheat Wizard

11:13 PM

Oh wait active_stack not main_stack

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

i just want the TIO style output

hard to explain

Wheat Wizard

How are you running it?

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

 ruby brain_flak.rb a.txt

Wheat Wizard

ok that should work

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

christopher@ComputerOnLeft:/mnt/c/Users/chris/Documents/GitHub/Pain-Flak$ ruby brain_flak.rb a.txt
christopher@ComputerOnLeft:/mnt/c/Users/chris/Documents/GitHub/Pain-Flak$

nada

Wheat Wizard

11:16 PM

Well what's in a.txt?

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

))((

Wheat Wizard

Ok well based on your changes you basically have just broken the interpreter, You changed what it considers to be matching but you haven't changed the behavior of any of the braces

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

cool

Wheat Wizard

You need to edit BrainFlakInterpreter.rb

Also I'd recommend doing some serious clean up, there is a lot of stuff in this interpreter you won't need. Would you mind if I made a PR?

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@WheatWizard here

and you can make a PR to clean it up if you want

Wheat Wizard

11:19 PM

I'm not sure why you sent me that commit

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ