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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

PPenguinDetermine majority of inputs, a non-uniform computing challenge Non-uniform computing is a class of computing where a different procedure can be specified for each input size of a problem. This allows discussing complexity of languages that are only straight line computations (no looping constr...

 
Pavel
Pavel
1:15 AM
I need to get my dad something for his birthday... anyone have any tacky gift ideas for a software engineer?
 
Zacharý
Zacharý
@Pavel: no. And lucky you, having a software engineer for a father
@GamrCorps, new guy, who are you?
 
GamrCorps
GamrCorps
Old guy, actually. Haven't checked in here in a loooong time...
 
Zacharý
Zacharý
Starman came back, so why not ?
 
Riker
Riker
> McDonald’s Has a Menu So Secret You Need to Go to a Whole Other Place Called Outback Steakhouse Just to Order from It!
@Pavel best dad mug
@GamrCorps haven't seen in said long time :D
 
Pavel
Pavel
1:30 AM
@Riker Well, that's my last resort if all creativity fails me.
 
Riker
Riker
it's the worst gift but the best
@Pavel thinkgeek.com/product/15cc I've got this shirt
not really "software engineer" tho
 
Pavel
Pavel
Woah, I just found a Commodore 64 on Ebay for 30 dollars
 
Riker
Riker
dang
 
Zacharý
Zacharý
How about a shirt that says: "No, I can't fix your computer"
 
Pavel
Pavel
@Zacharý I think I'm buying the Commodore. My dad loves taking apart ancient computers and such. He bought an IBM thinkpad the other day with the sole purpose of dissasembling it.
 
Zacharý
Zacharý
1:44 AM
That seems like a good choice
Of course, it shouldn't be destroyed if it has Dartmouth Basic
Because .... Dartmouth BASIC
 
Pavel
Pavel
Honestly, I'm a little dubious about it still functioning.
 
Zacharý
Zacharý
Who wouldn't be?
I mean, why else would it be $30 ?
 
Pavel
Pavel
Yeah. This is just for the purpose of being taken apart.
 
Zacharý
Zacharý
Could be a scam all together
 
Pavel
Pavel
I sure hope not. But yeah, I'll probably get something else as a backup.
 
Zacharý
Zacharý
1:57 AM
Shirt, LOL. Software engineer ≠ Computer Repairman
 
PhiNotPi
PhiNotPi
2:17 AM
Talking about t-shirt ideas?
 
Pavel
Pavel
@PhiNotPi Not quite
 
Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ
Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ
@Pavel one sec
 
Riker
Riker
2:40 AM
> Santa Was a Real Person and I’ve Got the Skull to Prove It
 
PhiNotPi
PhiNotPi
2:51 AM
I've had some fun making an epic D&D campaign for my gaming group.
Gotta get that "nonlinear gameplay" going
 
Esolanging Fruit
Esolanging Fruit
3:08 AM
@AdmBorkBork (2^277,232,917) − 1 is prime. I win.
 
mudkip201
mudkip201
3:48 AM
lol
 
Anonymous
4:08 AM
 
Anonymous
> We evaluated some approaches to theming last month and this month we will engage with the community the future of theming on network sites. The short version is we want to continue supporting individual site themes, but we need to pare down what can be customized so that we can have a consistent experience, a single code base with less fragility and a quicker path to deploying core improvements across the network.
 
Anonymous
Sounds like we won't be getting custom features that we need :(
 
Esolanging Fruit
Esolanging Fruit
Was that ever even a possibility?
 
DJMcMayhem
DJMcMayhem
@EsolangingFruit Ha
 
Pavel
Pavel
It's allegedly the reason we don't have a design yet, so that they have time to implement custom features.
allegedly
 
Esolanging Fruit
Esolanging Fruit
4:16 AM
Is a design really all that important?
I happen to like PPCG's current design.
 
Wheat Wizard
Wheat Wizard
design is not the important part its the features that come with the design
 
Esolanging Fruit
Esolanging Fruit
True
 
Pavel
Pavel
I use the gradscript, and not having a design means I have enough rep for things like close votes.
 
Anonymous
@WheatWizard Yeah, like increased privilege thresholds and being recognized as an actual part of the network
 
Esolanging Fruit
Esolanging Fruit
I say "True" like I knew that, I really didn't
 
Anonymous
4:18 AM
I really dislike SE's constant ignorance of us, which is one of the biggest reasons why I'm eager to move away from SE
 
Pavel
Pavel
@Mego Are we really ignored more than, say, Puzzling.SE?
 
Anonymous
They got a design within a few months of graduating
 
Esolanging Fruit
Esolanging Fruit
@Pavel Puzzling doesn't have a "We're not a Q&A site." question
 
Anonymous
We're coming close to a year
 
Pavel
Pavel
@Mego And anime.se has been waiting even longer than us. We're not really alone in neglect.
 
Anonymous
4:21 AM
@Pavel I never said we were. That's just more evidence of SE neglecting non-flagship sites
 
Anonymous
We're also pushing up on a year since we got any feedback from Grace Note about our status. The only things she's posted on Meta in the last year were the mod election and the community ads stuff
 
Pavel
Pavel
Has anyone tried asking on meta.se?
 
ATaco
ATaco
November takes a while
 
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Q: Can I redo the Solve Rubik's Cube challenge?

MD XFThe challenge Solve Rubik's cube has a lot of flaws: Arbitrary limits: (say, max. 5 seconds on your machine and less than 1000 moves) Extremely cumbersome input format: The input is in the format UF UR UB UL DF DR DB DL FR FL BR BL UFR URB UBL ULF DRF DFL DLB DBR (this particular input represen...

discussion code-golf challenges reposting
 
Pavel
Pavel
4:44 AM
@aditsu Care to weigh in on ^
 
 
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Adám
Adám
7:03 AM
@EsolangingFruit The one feature I'd like is custom fonts, better suited for code (especially for non-ASCII languages), e.g. we could use TIO's set (Exo 2 + DevaVu Sans Mono).
@Mego The editor with template would be really good to have (if it would be customised for PPCG).
 
aditsu
aditsu
7:23 AM
@Pavel I care, but I'm quite heavy :p
I don't think I have any problem with that, imo people are way TOOOOO stuck up about duplicates and rules and restrictions and whatnot
That's partly why I'm not very active anymore, it's not as fun as it used to be
 
Fatalize
Fatalize
^
 
 
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user202729
user202729
8:40 AM
Can/should someone move the code in this answer to an external website? It heavily lags my computer... I know answers should be self contained, but still...
@Mr.Xcoder What's the highest C++ version you're allowed to use? (you know what I'm talking about...)
^^ (on clicking edit)
 
Fatalize
Fatalize
@user202729 Why?
 
ATaco
ATaco
Yay, Now I have the Ascii-art bronze badge.
 
user202729
user202729
"it heavily lags my computer"... Ok, it may be quite subjective, but...
 
Mr. Xcoder
Mr. Xcoder
@user202729 C++ 11
 
Fatalize
Fatalize
There are many answers that are this long on PPCG
 
Mr. Xcoder
Mr. Xcoder
8:43 AM
Sorry repeated typos
 
ATaco
ATaco
@user202729 What browser are you using?
I'm guessing there's a poor implementation of hidden text.
 
user202729
user202729
...? It lags my computer when I click edit button.
 
Mr. Xcoder
Mr. Xcoder
And to make matters worse, we have to use either Code Blocks or Free Pascal
 
Fatalize
Fatalize
@user202729 I can do the edit for you if that's that
 
user202729
user202729
@Mr.Xcoder ... exactly same situation. We have (in addition) Turbo C++ and Turbo Pascal, but I don't think it's useful... Dev-cpp may be more useful.
.... How can I get it to run in Python 3?
(it = zlib decompress a byte string)
 
Mr. Xcoder
Mr. Xcoder
8:47 AM
I wonder why they don’t let us use Python, maybe because it has useful built-ins and things are less challenging (?)
 
user202729
user202729
Doesn't C++ have useful built in? std::set (equivalent of an balanced segment tree)
(... except big integer built in ...)
Still, eval is really useful (probably)?
I added b before the string and it worked.
 
Mr. Xcoder
Mr. Xcoder
Yeah because that’s a Python byte string
 
user202729
user202729
Now how can I convert it back? str doesn't work.
.decode('utf-8') worked.
... it seems that [answer] auto expands to [How to answer](... link to help page ...). Any other auto SE expand links that I don't know of?
 
user202729
user202729
9:23 AM
Is there anywhere where I can sandbox the snippet? (to see how it works, etc.)
 
user202729
user202729
9:33 AM
How can //cdn.sstatic.net/codegolf/all.css?v=83c949450c8b expands to https://cdn.sstatic.net/Sites/codegolf/all.css?v=83c949450c8b? I don't understand...
Why is the Sites inserted?
@user202729 Test it locally.
@user202729 ... which doesn't really work ...
@user202729 You can just use the preview page while editing.
 
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10:19 AM
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

user71546Build a Board of Napier's Bones! code-golf ascii-art Introduction Napier's bones is a calculation tool, which helps speeding up the calculation of multiplication, division and digit-by-digit square root extraction by turning n-digit-by-1-digit multiplications into table look-ups. Napier's bones...

 
user202729
user202729
10:48 AM
Are privileges reversed when you lose reputation?
 
totallyhuman
totallyhuman
yes
 
Adám
Adám
@user202729 Yes:
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Q: Is losing privileges after placing bounty OK?

SampsonMy rep went over 2,000 today which meant I could edit other people's posts. Great! Then I added a bounty to a previous question, which brought me back down to 1,984...and I can no longer edit other posts. Should this changed? Or is this ideal?

discussion reputation edits bounty
 
totallyhuman
totallyhuman
gah I wanted to ask a meta question about redoing
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Q: Roman numeral converter function

Kevin BrownCreate the shortest function to convert a string of Roman numerals to an integer. The rules for each letter can be found at the Wikipedia page. Letters above 1,000 will have parentheses placed around them to signal their higher value. Requirements: Must convert Roman numerals 1 to 500,000 Mu...

code-golf math function roman-numerals
it's bad
 
user202729
user202729
"No one is spending that much on bounties" tex.stackexchange.com/q/134638/9517 — T. Verron Nov 21 '14 at 9:05
Community = deleted user?
 
flawr
flawr
11:04 AM
@user202729 Regarding the comments in the sandbox: How would you apply dijkstra there? I don't think it is that striaght forward.
(and most dijkstra implementations just store pointers to the previous node which makes the reconstruction easy)
 
user202729
user202729
It can be proven that all the vertices on the path are either start point, end point, or rectangle vertices.
 
flawr
flawr
I see that, but it is not trivial to determine which vertex is visible form which other vertex.
 
user202729
user202729
About the last point... Yes, some language have built in dijkstra function that output path, but it definitely takes more effort (~= code) to store them.
@flawr That's something you have to do.
Also, for all method (I can think of), that part is necessary.
Why does [Sandbox] have 5 rep, while [Community] only have 1?
 
flawr
flawr
I think it might for some languages be shorter to just bruteforce all possible paths from (0,0) to (10,10) and check whether they go through the squares, then pick the shortest
 
user202729
user202729
Probably...
 
flawr
flawr
11:08 AM
maybe it is even sufficient to check paths that are monotonic when projected to the line through (0,0),(1,1)
 
user202729
user202729
So... which one is more straightforward is algorithm-independent.
"monotonous"? "monotonic"?
(sorry I'm not very good at English)
 
flawr
flawr
@user202729 neither am I :D
@user202729 Why don't you get a recognizable name instead of this generic "guest user" name?
 
user202729
user202729
Oct 22 '17 at 16:15, by HyperNeutrino
@user202729 You should get a custom username :P
 
flawr
flawr
You definitely should IMHO
 
user202729
user202729
(also read the following messages)
 
flawr
flawr
11:12 AM
Well it still is not recognizable as it exactly looks like one of those auto generated names.
 
user202729
user202729
It seems that you can't post [answer] in chat...
(try in sandbox only)
 
flawr
flawr
It would just clear some confusion
 
user202729
user202729
So just increase it to 9 digits and people know that SE doesn't have 1e9 users.
 
flawr
flawr
Most people probably don't. I mean nobody can remember your current name
Or at least get a profile pic that does not look like those default ones:)
 
user202729
user202729
... The profile picture is default.
 
Mr. Xcoder
Mr. Xcoder
11:35 AM
@flawr I can remember their username perfectly (mostly because we had many interactions)
 
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Q: What 5 digit number when it has a 1 appended to the right hand side is three times the size if a 1 is appended on the left hand side!

Denham CooteA colleague sent me this brain-teaser which I thought would make a good challenge: A question from an 11+ exam paper, which stumped me for a few minutes... What 5 digit number when it has a 1 appended to the right hand side is three times the size if a 1 is appended on the left hand ...

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Q: How long should you wait before posting an improvement as your own solution?

ShaggySometimes, when you comment on a solution with a suggested improvement, for whatever reason, the author might not take that suggestion on board. If it's a significant enough improvement, I've occasionally felt tempted to post the it as my own solution after a month or so has passed. Is that long...

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Martin Ender
Martin Ender
12:31 PM
@ConorO'Brien your comment was about 5 hours late ;)
 
user202729
user202729
1:16 PM
Today I learned that GDB has python scripting ability...
CMP: Given a Windows 7 machine, what would you do to hide a file such that the change it's discovered is minimal?
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
mark it as hidden
 
Leaky Nun
Leaky Nun
Today I learned (discovered) that Z_p and 1+pZ_p are isomorphic as groups
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
What's 1+pZ_p?
 
user202729
user202729
p times Z_p plus 1?
 
Leaky Nun
Leaky Nun
Z_p is the p-adic integers
@user202729 LOL
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
1:20 PM
yes
 
Leaky Nun
Leaky Nun
so 1+pZ_p is {1+pn | n in Z_p}
it is a group under multiplication
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
flagspam in the SO russian chat?
 
user202729
user202729
... Not too incorrect.
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
oh okay
well using vectorizing multiplication user202729 was right :P
 
user202729
user202729
What happened with this?
learn what is p-adic integers because I forgot it
 
Leaky Nun
Leaky Nun
1:22 PM
@user202729 so you start with the natural numbers including 0
and pretend that they can go infinitely to the left
(just like real numbers can go infinitely to the right)
 
Adám
Adám
@user202729 Stick it in a folder named similarly to the others in C:\Windows\WinSxS.
 
user202729
user202729
Ok no problem I remembered it. (<- the grammar feels somewhat wrong)
Reminds me of quote notation.
@Adám Sounds like a good idea...
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
@user202729 Typically "remember" is used in the present tense unless you're actually saying you remembered it a few days ago or something along those lines.
 
Dennis
Dennis
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A: Write Moby Dick, approximately

daniero///, 2*1 + 1020874 = 1020876 Prints a space.

Voting on this site is so incredibly broken, it's not even funny anymore.
19
 
user202729
user202729
It isn't even on HNQ...
Apparently, it is.
 
Anonymous
1:33 PM
@Dennis That's definitely not a serious contender
 
user202729
user202729
Is Are baseline answers allowed?
 
Anonymous
@user202729 Define baseline?
 
user202729
user202729
... I don't know ...
This one gets 108 upvotes, while this one only 19. (for the older challenge, Paint starry night)
 
Dennis
Dennis
Which is a giant slap in the face for all people who worked hard on their answers.
 
Anonymous
@user202729 I've called out the former for not being a serious contender on multiple occasions. My custom mod flag was marked helpful, but nothing was ever done to enforce the policy.
 
Anonymous
1:42 PM
@MartinBüttner The point is, even if other submissions aren't present, it's not difficult to imagine many different methods that would score significantly better than a grey rectangle. If the only way your solution could conceivably win is if no others are posted, it's probably not a serious contender. — Mego Mar 21 '16 at 19:53
 
AdmBorkBork
AdmBorkBork
@Dennis Sigh. :-/
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
Is OEIS down?
 
Anonymous
 
user202729
user202729
No, just really slow.
@Mego In short, isup.me
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
Oh okay thanks
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

HyperNeutrinoKing of the Hill: Avalon king-of-the-hill Avalon is a semi-team-based strategy card game played with 5 - 10 players. The objective is simple but the gameplay is not as simple. The good people want to complete 3 quests while keeping Merlin alive, and the evil people want to fail 3 quests or assas...

 
user202729
user202729
@NewSandboxedPosts ... which will definitely take a while to write a controller...
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
It will take me a while.
Not sure exactly how long.
 
user202729
user202729
About the mafia challenge... I don't understand what's the point in asking others to do something.
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
@user202729 You mean message code 16?
 
user202729
user202729
I didn't read it very carefully (???) but as I can see some of the messages are for communicating with other users, for which I can't understand what they are used for.
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
2:01 PM
I don't really understand the "Please use your powers on _ tonight" (especially since it should take 2 players arguments to make sense)
I mean it would make sense for you to tell the cop to investigate a player
(Also I sometimes overthink the gameplay of this game because I haven't played Mafia for a while but I frequently play Town of Salem which is just internet mafia with way too many roles)
 
J. Sallé
J. Sallé
@HyperNeutrino Mafia already had too many roles way back when. Town of Salem added more?
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
@J.Sallé I don't think Mafia has too many roles? Isn't it just Doctor, Sheriff, Mafioso, and Villager?
 
J. Sallé
J. Sallé
@HyperNeutrino Oh, I thought you were talking about the SC2 map (also called Mafia) Town of Salem was based on.
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
Oh lol :P
No I was talking about the childhood game / KoTH game
 
J. Sallé
J. Sallé
They had about 20 roles when I last played
 
Anonymous
2:08 PM
@HyperNeutrino Originally, yes. And then people added more. wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Category:Roles
 
J. Sallé
J. Sallé
Most of them were good roles, and well balanced. But then they started adding a lot of Neutral roles that just complicated gameplay
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
Town of Salem has 33
(49 with Coven DLC expansion)
 
Anonymous
@J.Sallé RIP Jester
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
@Mego Oh lol. And also I can't see that site :(
 
J. Sallé
J. Sallé
Holy cow
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
2:09 PM
Neutrals are annoying to deal with
 
J. Sallé
J. Sallé
@Mego Jester was okay, I had issues with Mass Murderers for instance
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
Mass Murderers? You're talking about the SC2 thingy now right
 
J. Sallé
J. Sallé
Yeah
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
okay
 
J. Sallé
J. Sallé
The mass murderer visited someone, and whenever anyone else visited that someone the same night, everybody but the mass murderer died.
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
2:11 PM
oh it's like the Werewolf in Town of Salem
that is very annoying to deal with lmao
Rampage Ability
 
J. Sallé
J. Sallé
Yeah exactly.
Imagine how pissed someone would be when they're the godfather and order a hit on someone just to get all his goons killed.
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
lol
 
J. Sallé
J. Sallé
In SC2 mafia the GF ordered a hit and all the goons (specifically the Mafioso role) visited that person.
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
that's happened before. my brother was playing as Veteran (kind of like Mass Murderer targeting themselves) and killed three of the mafia
 
J. Sallé
J. Sallé
Yeah, Veteran was a great role when you played it well
Killed many a doctor with it though
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
2:13 PM
yeah, same. also bodyguards
 
J. Sallé
J. Sallé
Yup, also bodyguards.
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
I was in a game with a veteran yesterday and they were making absurd claims hoping to bait and get hit by the killers but it just caused them to get jailed and executed lol
 
J. Sallé
J. Sallé
rofl
 
Leaky Nun
Leaky Nun
p-adic is so amazing
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
I like how we're talking about different games but we still understand what each other is saying (except for that you had to explain Mass Murderer's ability)
(that grammar sounds off)
 
J. Sallé
J. Sallé
2:22 PM
hahahahahah yeah, but as I said, ToS is largely based on SC2's map
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
yeah
 
J. Sallé
J. Sallé
I think two of the original modders who made the map in starcraft actually worked in ToS
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
Oh huh, interesting
 
J. Sallé
J. Sallé
Indeed. Anyway, gtg get some lunch now. I'll be back in a couple hours o/
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
cya o/
 
Poke
Poke
2:26 PM
@Mego The fact that the answer is possible is a fault of the challenge itself. As it is that does seem like a valid approach to me. You have to guess the next character. Why /not/ just guess the most common?
It's not the first time that a better-scoring answer has received less votes and it definitely won't be the last
 
Dennis
Dennis
@Poke Because the only way to get a worse score is to actively try to guess the wrong character.
 
user202729
user202729
The main problem is people over-upvote it.
 
Poke
Poke
@Dennis if you use any other character you'll also get a worse score
if you guess a random character you'll probably get a worse score
 
PhiNotPi
PhiNotPi
Who cares about naming conventions when I can just memorize all the variables names? I got this_thing and thisOtherThing and thisthirdthing going.
 
Dennis
Dennis
@Poke Random is forbidden. Choosing a constant character that isn't the most common is actively trying to guess the wrong one.
 
user202729
user202729
2:32 PM
@AlexA. I disagree. This is a valid, if simplistic solution. I doubt there would be any call to remove it if it wasn't so highly upvoted or if it were only one of a couple answers. — Calvin's Hobbies Jan 27 '16 at 5:30
@PhiNotPi ...? What are you talking about?
 
Poke
Poke
@Dennis That's an odd way to look at it
 
PhiNotPi
PhiNotPi
@user202729 just random comment, ignore me
 
Poke
Poke
You're still "solving" the challenge
 
Erik the Outgolfer
Erik the Outgolfer
@Poke a solution returning incorrect results isn't the only case in which an answer can be invalid
 
Poke
Poke
@EriktheOutgolfer ...ok? I still disagree that simplistic solutions aren't valid contenders; they just use naive algorithms
 
Fatalize
Fatalize
2:36 PM
@PhiNotPi thisthirdthing is harder to read than this_third_thing
and marginally easier to write
 
Erik the Outgolfer
Erik the Outgolfer
@Poke I don't think it's very naive, I can't see any serious attempt there IMO (no offense)
 
Poke
Poke
If serious contenders are only the best scoring then how do multiple people answer with the same language
 
user202729
user202729
@Poke ...? How are languages related here?
 
Erik the Outgolfer
Erik the Outgolfer
serious contender means that there has been an attempt to optimize it for the scoring criteria, not that the answer is leading for its language
 
Fatalize
Fatalize
If that "predict space" answer is not a a serious attempt, I don't see how this one is a serious attempt either, considering it is barely more complicated, and its score isn't that much lower
 
Poke
Poke
2:38 PM
@EriktheOutgolfer exactly and that has been done by using the most common character
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
Serious contender doesn't mean it's the best scoring; it's more so whether or not you even tried to optimize it for the task scoring system
 
Poke
Poke
which s/he did
 
user202729
user202729
I vote for just keep it, but don't over-upvote it.
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
^
 
user202729
user202729
That's 0 character lookbehind, my answer and Steadybox's (older) is 1 character lookbehind,
Skyler's is 2-character lookbehind, Arnauld's (original) is 8-character lookbehind (if I recalled correctly)
 
Poke
Poke
2:40 PM
@user202729 This is correct and is backed by meta consensus. codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/10132/51785
 
user202729
user202729
And the zip's are infinite-character lookbehind.
 
Poke
Poke
that meta answer applies to more than just golf langs imo
 
Erik the Outgolfer
Erik the Outgolfer
@Poke it's the same as print' ' in Python for example...Steadybox's answer linked by @Fatalize at least shows an attempt utilizing the input while the /// one doesn't imoo
btw "serious attempt" is a bit subjective right now, and it's very hard to define it objectively
 
Poke
Poke
@EriktheOutgolfer The challenge literally asks answerers to "guess"
If you're of the opinion that the answer is bad, then in this case it's a fault with the challenge itself
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
Not really... how would you define the challenge to avoid this sort of answer?
 
Fatalize
Fatalize
2:45 PM
Non-serious contenders are to me answers that are intentionally made worse than they could be using the proposed approach in the answer
This one isn't, its approach is to predict the most common character (which isn't that dumb)
 
Poke
Poke
@HyperNeutrino I wouldn't have issued a challenge to guess something
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
Well, that's the spirit of the challenge itself, but I understand your point.
 
user202729
user202729
+1 I don't see many great challenges on this site: This is one of them. — Nathan Merrill 23 hours ago
 
Poke
Poke
@user202729 Everyone is entitled to their opinion
not going to bash nathan because i disagree with him
 
Erik the Outgolfer
Erik the Outgolfer
I'd think of it like this: your solution makes an input-based prediction, where the input is in the multi-set of characters of moby dick. since the multi-set is finite, you do know the most common character, which, in this case, is 0x20 (space). however, just predicting the "most common" regardless of input makes the solution be almost as bad as it could
and the reasons that happens are obvious, since the only other modification to make it the worst possible would be to predict the least common char, since randomness is disallowed
 
Poke
Poke
2:50 PM
so don't upvote it
 
user202729
user202729
Can anyone vote/post an answer on this? It doesn't seem good that all answers have negative score...
 
Fatalize
Fatalize
@EriktheOutgolfer BTW, I will probably be in Athens in March
 
Adám
Adám
Informal APL learning session tonight at 18:30 UTC in https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/52405/apl. See https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/41299896 if you don't have 20 Stack Exchange rep points.
Tweeted by dyalogapl on January 10, 2018 at 2:10 PM
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
oo
 
Fatalize
Fatalize
@EriktheOutgolfer There are many ways to make an intentionally bad answer (which would be a non-serious contender): always predict z after q, x after z, a after a, k after b, etc.
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
2:52 PM
i hope i have CS club this afternoon because it runs during then and my science class so i can do part of it :D
 
Wheat Wizard
Wheat Wizard
@user202729 My answer still has a non-negative score
 
user202729
user202729
@WheatWizard +1 and -2 is -1. -1 is negative.
 
Wheat Wizard
Wheat Wizard
Reload the page?
 
user202729
user202729
... someone just upvoted it ...
 
Adám
Adám
@WheatWizard Fixed.
 
Wheat Wizard
Wheat Wizard
2:56 PM
What exactly about the answer do you disagree with? I've not gotten any comments yet.
 
user202729
user202729
... I didn't vote on that, and at the time of posting that chat message the answer is at -1.
 
Adám
Adám
How did I get a downvote the same moment I answered‽
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
someone was waiting with their fingers on the F V D keys
lol
(idk either)
 
Dennis
Dennis
@user202729 I think I understand the question, but the title is throwing me off. Is the discussion about printing to STDOUT instead of STDERR or about stray output to STDOUT?
 
user202729
user202729
... both.
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
2:57 PM
@Dennis It's about how we define "raising an error" on this site, if I understood correctly.
 
user202729
user202729
@HyperNeutrino How do you know that?
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
confirm?
@user202729 I was partially joking, I don't actually know.
 
user202729
user202729
No, I don't understand why do you post that as a chat message.
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
Regardless of how it was done it doesn't make sense because you have to at least read the whole answer before voting
 
Adám
Adám
@Dennis Can you check the exact timestamps for my posting an answer and for the downvote arrival?
 
Erik the Outgolfer
Erik the Outgolfer
2:59 PM
read and think about
 
HyperNeutrino
HyperNeutrino
yes
 
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