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12:23 AM
We're fairly quiet today...
 
Sunday
 
Monday :P
 
Fine timezones :P
But American Sunday
 
The Australians are awake and working.
 
The Americans are also quite possible awake and working because I'm on the East side of America (Central-East Canada) so my time is ahead of the mean point of America, I think.
 
12:42 AM
@HyperNeutrino The Americans are awake and making use of thier weekend.
 
12:53 AM
@Pavel s/use/misuse
 
1:04 AM
@Riker 80x24?
 
Anonymous
1:54 AM
@ASCII-only 80 width, 24 height
 
Anonymous
Standard old-school console size
 
2:05 AM
(tnbde) ➜  misc cat ifelif_vs_lambdadict.py
import sys
import random

method = sys.argv[1]

total = 0
LD = {
  0: lambda: 1,
  1: lambda: 2,
}

for i in range(10**6):
  r = random.randint(0,1)

  if method == 'ifelif':
    if r == 0:
      total += 1
    elif r == 1:
      total += 2
  elif method == 'lambdadict':
    total += LD[r]()

print(total)
(tnbde) ➜  misc time python ifelif_vs_lambdadict.py ifelif
1499837
python ifelif_vs_lambdadict.py ifelif  1.76s user 0.02s system 97% cpu 1.816 total
@Downgoat: If-elif seems to be faster than a lambda dictionary.
 
@El'endiaStarman What language is that?
It looks like python but ➜ confuses me
 
@Pavel Yep, Python. That's part of the terminal output.
 
@Pavel I assume that's part of the console prompt
 
Ah
 
That moment when you lose your Fanatic streak and have to start over...
again...
 
2:15 AM
How many times is that now?
 
Idk. I was at 38 days I think.
I can remember losing my streak at around 30-40 a few times.
 
Well, that's not too bad. Not like losing it at 90 or even 99.
 
The break between days is in the evening for me, so even though I was on yesterday and today, I still lost it.
Also, I already have Fanatic for PPCG. This is for meta PPCG that I'm going for.
I usually just check the review queue
There's a reason why >10% of all meta reviews are me
 
Oh, Meta. Yeah, I don't have Fanatic on any site's Meta.
 
and why I have the most in every review category
Oh well
 
2:25 AM
Jun 23 at 16:30, by HyperNeutrino
Except I lost my 98 day progress on Fanatic :(
 
ouch
 
Wut is fanatic?
Oh, the badge.
 
Oh, this one's worse:
Jan 17 '16 at 0:44, by Ampora
I WAS ONE DAY AWAY FROM FANATIC AND IT RESET TO 0 <cries>
 
@Mego yeah but what does that mean for malbolge
 
I've only got the silver badge.
 
2:29 AM
Jul 8 at 0:50, by Dennis
> visited 1254 days, 818 consecutive
Dennis has nearly 3 consecutive years.
 
I'm scrolling through messages with "fanatic" using TNBDE and it seems like people care about that badge more than they should (including me).
 
I'd care more about Fanatic if I could earn it multiple times
 
@Pavel I think I got up to 600 or 700 days on Christianity.SE.
More than 400, that's for sure. Proof: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/25703934#25703934
 
I think there should be a badge for # of ppl reached
 
And in the ensuing conversation, there's this gem:
Nov 26 '15 at 3:25, by Thomas Kwa
@quartata I suspect Starman is secretly Jesus
 
2:32 AM
Everytime I see your profile and see you're a mod on Christanity.SE I find myself judging you and then I feel bad.
 
Why the Christianity.SE time, if I may ask?
 
@ATaco Me be mod.
 
@El'endiaStarman *500
 
@ASCII-only Oh, yes, you're right.
 
Are you very religious, or just a fan of the Theology?
 
2:34 AM
@ATaco Depends on how you define "religious". It might be better to say that I am very spiritual as opposed to religious.
 
@Pavel Holy not sure if this is appropriate :P O_o
 
My dad's an Aethiest and knows more about the Bible than anyone else I know, other than an actual priest.
 
I appreciate people who use it as an excuse to be good people.
 
I'm an atheist, but I had to sit through religious education during lower primary, and my parents sometimes go to church for some reason, so I know a bit (although according to an earlier conversation the majority of my knowledge is probably wrong)
 
@ATaco The Bible teaches that there's no such thing as "good people". (Romans 3:10)
 
2:37 AM
Also weird it seems Sublime is trying to copy Chrome
 
It's kinda like how I spend so much time researching Apple products so I can show all of my friends how wrong they are to be buying iPhones.
 
@mbomb007 Okay, if we're gonna have this conversation, let's move it here: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/1167/the-upper-room
 
@Pavel :| I spend 0 time researching and I can list out every single reason they shouldn't
 
Fair enough.
 
okay I can't instantly remember all of them :P but I'm sure I can list most of them pretty quickly
 
2:39 AM
@ATaco If you want to ping me, I'll reply later, but I was really just stopping in to say I lost my Fanatic streak for meta PPCG.
 
@Pavel Really you only need one reason, any one of the reasons I can think of are much more than enough to put me off buying a single Apple product
 
adios for now
 
@ASCII-only The overpricing?
You'd think so, but that's the most obvious reason and everyone buys them anyway.
 
I'm actually kind of excited for it.
 
2:40 AM
@Pavel That's the least bad reason IMO
 
Not the price, obviously.
 
@ATaco The iPhone X?
 
Yeah.
 
The lack of cross-compatibility, lack of extendability, lack of cables that last over a year, lack of new features and way too many features being removed to name some
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I feel like the iPhone 8 might be better.
Hardware button, and no stupid bump at the top of the screen.
 
2:41 AM
@Pavel Of course, who wants a phone with 1/4 of a status bar
 
The design is my favourite part of it, that black bit at the top isn't "Less space", it's more space in the corners than previous phones.
 
why do people care so much about phones xd
 
You literally can't see any notifications
@DestructibleLemon I'd say the same about every other Apple product lol
 
Obligitory.
(I shouldn't be allowed to Markdown) (Or spell)
 
> git
 
2:43 AM
I think the popularity of phones as main internet access is probably to do with the fact that they aren't much worse than a windows computer
 
@ATaco what about the other five
 
They are scattered across XKCD's comics.
 
@DestructibleLemon And way cheaper than any Mac
@ATaco Also scattered across the first six Google results of "XKCD phone"
 
@ASCII-only most *nix os's = free
 
2:45 AM
You can get MacOSX free[citation needed], but the computers themselves are expensive.
 
@DestructibleLemon huh?
 
@ATaco My favorite part is the wireless charing port.
 
@ATaco Not exactly
 
linux for example
 
You can only legally have 3 macOS copies per physical compuer
 
2:45 AM
And you can't legally put OSX on a non-Apple computer.
 
You can get anything free if you steal it
 
> legally
 
everyone get with the times OS X doesn't exist anymore
 
actually I probably need citation needed on my claim, but I would say that the wide variety of linux dists makes it "a lot of *nix os's = free" if you consider dists separately
 
I'm not going to call it Jaguar or whatever it is now.
 
2:47 AM
@ASCII-only how dare you
 
@ATaco it's called macOS...
 
Ah.
 
Also Jaguar is ancient (2002)
 
kinda weird how it's "mac oh ess ex" and not "mac oh ess ten"
 
Have you been living under an apple
 
2:48 AM
> I'm going to try and put something important in my webpages right where the bump is, so you can't use it on the iPhone Xtra bullshit.
 
@DestructibleLemon no? what about iphone X? adobe reader X?
 
The only apple products I use are Juice and my Phone.
 
@ASCII-only are those examples of x as ten?
 
@DestructibleLemon yes.
 
@ASCII-only I was saying this was a weird exception
 
2:49 AM
this is only apple phone i would consider acceptable
 
or should i say tenception
 
@DestructibleLemon but how is it an exception
 
you're confusing me
I mean, in those, aren't the x's pronounced as 10?
 
wait wat
really?
 
I don't know
 
2:51 AM
why. would they be pronounced as 10β€½
 
roman numerals?
 
yes but you don't see X and go "oh i'll just pronounce this as 10"
 
I suppose you say "grand theft auto vee"
 
BRB writing a userscript that replaces Interrobangs with ?!
 
or something
whichever ones have roman numerals on them
 
2:53 AM
@DestructibleLemon Nope, because those are used as version numbers from version 1
 
do you say "windows one zero"?
 
I consider the ones that start (and end) at X an exception
@DestructibleLemon No? Because I say 10 as "ten"?
 
I'm not sure what I'm going for here anymore
 
Windows is hardly a model for counting.
 
Also that
1, 2, 3, 3.1, 95, 98, 2000, ME, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1, 10
+1 windows
 
2:55 AM
according to some things it's pronounced iphone 10
 
I might have gotten the order terribly wrong
 
1, 2, 3.1, 95, NT, 98, 2000, ME (Cursed), XP, Vista (Less Cursed), 7, 8, 8.1, 10!
 
@DestructibleLemon What. why D: D: D:
 
because x is roman numerals
 
Oh, Ninja'd, mostly
CMC: Given n, output the nth windows version (0 or 1 indexed), assuming windows versioning is the array [1, 2, 3.1, 95, NT, 98, 2000, ME, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1, 10]
 
2:57 AM
what if windows didn't skip 9 it's just that their main series is base 9
 
31
Q: What's the proper way to pronounce "Mac OS X"?

Stefan LasiewskiI was inspired by the question Mac or Macintosh. What's the proper way to pronounce "Mac OS X"? I've heard the following things used to refer to the operating system on the Macintosh: "Mac OS Ten" ("OS" is said like "AHSS") "Mac OS Ex" ("OS" is said like "AHSS") "Mac Oh-Ess Ex" "Mac Oh-Ess Te...

 
@DestructibleLemon turns out it is pronounced ten
 
@DestructibleLemon 3.1 came out not long after 3, and is generally considered just a more complete version of it.
There is unsurprisingly many more versions not listed.
 
@ASCII-only hmmm
I'm gonna say it's like gif
they are wrong
 
3:04 AM
@ConorO'Brien RProgN2, 3 bytes. 2!&
 
@DestructibleLemon Who is wrong
 
the people who made gif and mac osx
about their respective products
 
@DestructibleLemon huh why would your decision be more important than the decision of the people who coined the phrase
 
it's not my decision
it's my opinion, but it's based on what people actually say anyway
 
@DestructibleLemon well that's because most people don't know any better :P
 
3:08 AM
no u
beat that
 
???????
 
3:20 AM
When I actually have a use for the sort by newest userscript I wrote ages back
 
Oh, I shoulda kept scrolling through my search for "fanatic" in TNB messages. This absolutely takes the cake:
Sep 18 '15 at 16:12, by minxomat
That moment when you are at 99/100 for a fanatic badge and you miss the UTC time by 12 minutes...
 
3:43 AM
I need to write a userscript to notify when my other userscripts update.
 
@ATaco But why
Doesn't GM/TM auto-update anyway
 
The bulk userscript can't.
 
huh?
 
It's more convenient to download userscripts and such, but it can't autoupdate.
 
it isn't really more convenient
also pls make it a url instead
 
3:46 AM
whatdoyoumean?
 
url -> server hosts scripts joined together
so GM/TM can just check the URL to see if it's updated
although that might make server load too high so maybe it's a bad idea
 
That's not the issue, the issue is that the version number doesn't change.
 
@ATaco Well you can make it change?
 
Because it's juggling version numbers between X scripts.
(No, not 10)
 
1.0.<daysintoepoch>.<secondssincestartofday>
done
 
3:48 AM
The problem with that is it will always say it's updated.
 
oh I meant the timestamp of the latest update for any of the included scripts
 
I could just concatenate them all together and TM/GM will be like "Oh yeah sure, that makes sense"
 
@ATaco Yeah but you need it to update properly :P
 
Are Lengauge and Unary the same language?
 
3:51 AM
That page is also the only place to get the EmojiButton userscript.
 
They seem to be
 
It was removed from github for heresy.
 
But TeamSpirit wasn't.
On that note, @ATaco please make Chat Formatting not autocomplete <>
 
Chat Formatting is Depreciated
 
I write less than/greater than comparitors much more frequently than I write HTML or brain-flak
@ATaco It would probably make it 10x more convenient and only take a minute or two
 
3:54 AM
You know it's on github right? You can make a pull :P
I'll take a stab at it shortly.
 
@Pavel Even if you were writing brain-flak, auto completing those doesn't really help
Cause of monads
 
Also, MathJax delimiter should be two dollar signs, not one
 
Yeah, I've heard that a couple times :P
If you make issues on the github, it's harder for me to forget.
 
@Pavel lenguage is actually a group of languages
wait no that was a different one wasn't it
len(language, encoding)
 
Even though Code-bowling isn't that viable, Lenguage dominates at it.
 
4:00 AM
@ATaco I've made pull requests for AutoChatJax and MathQuill
@ATaco made pull request for ChatCommands to fixΰ² __ΰ²  bug
 
I've already got a (slightly better) fix for that.
 
Oh?
 
@ATaco Chat formatting costs less now?
@ATaco Not the currently accepted code-bowling... In fact it's the worst language for it
 
@ATaco What's the fix, I'm curious now.
 
"o(_+)o": "ΰ² $1ΰ² ",
Fun fact, if you have the emojibutton installed as well as chat commands, you can do /:emoji_name:
 
4:12 AM
@ATaco That doesn't fix the fact that it removes the space.
<-- literally uninstalled Emoji Button seconds ago and can't test now
 
I'd like to correct that (?:\s|^) second in a much better way anyway.
 
Now I'm just wondering this
when the hell did I pass
40k chat rep?
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Prolly a rep graph you can look at somewhere
 
@LeakyNun You can see from your network profile, although you'll have to sum the rep yourself
 
lol
 
4:20 AM
Is this something SEDE can do?
.oO(I could probably increase my chat rep by a couple thousand by making an account on every SE site and getting the association bonus)
 
@Pavel Chat rep doesn't count that IIRC?
 
Dammit
ok we can find out
I'll create a new account and see if rep goes up
 
@Pavel Also you can only get 15000 wait. what. that's a lot
 
Ok
account created on security se
Let's see
Rep did not increade
;-;
 
4:23 AM
@Downgoat they should use unreal engine for 1000000x better rendering
@Downgoat also replika is like this just for chat and looks much cooler
 
you need like 300 rep or something like that for it to count on network rep
 
crud
 
@ASCII-only I'm not talking about graphics, graphics is been around for 1000 years, but the neural model thing they use
 
Anyone pls suggest new chat bio for me
 
@Downgoat Wait, that would require my PPCG rep to equal my chat rep
 
4:24 AM
> i think i see shep D:
 
@Downgoat :/ IDK, I can't really tell
 
wait what was your old one
 
> palindromemordnilap
 
@Downgoat Just click my name >_> and you can see my current one
@DestructibleLemon why.
 
> Rooms
The Nineteenth Byte
PPCG-gaming
new golflang yay
Zendo
Rubber Duck Debugging
Quark chat room
PPCG Handwriting OCR Challenge
Language Development
Spyfall
Codenames
PPCG Logic
Polyglot Development
Primes and Squares
Contact
VSL
Charcoal
talk.tryitonline.net
Vim-golf
The Third Stack
Cheddar
The Quest for Tetris
Esoteric Programming Languages
Pytek
The Sphinx's Lair
 
4:25 AM
@ASCII-only because your icon thing is a palindrome
 
@ASCII-only didn't you have one before this
 
o_0
 
> PPCG Logic
 
@ASCII-only btw if you have time later today can you take a look at LLIR's serialization and try to make a deserializer if possible
 
> The last message was posted 117 days ago.
 
4:26 AM
@DestructibleLemon but that is not good chat bio 0.10
 
@LeakyNun that's a lot
 
@ASCII-only wasn't your old one like "with great power comes great electric bill"
 
> 3 cool 5 school
 
:| time to clean up rooms
@Downgoat that was someone else's? or mine idk
 
oh
 
4:27 AM
tux's I think
 
O_o what is Neil doing in TNB
 
> even shark is better than unicode fish
 
I thought he never comes on chat
 
@ASCII-only wut he was here?
 
@ASCII-only he chars a little
 
4:28 AM
@DestructibleLemon yep
 
uh I might make another "with great power" bio
 
@DestructibleLemon IIRC I used to have one :P
 
"with great power comes great underdog plot"
 
chat bio?
 
4:30 AM
looks at my chat bio
 
@ASCII-only alternative idea:
> with great water comes evil shark
 
> with great water comes evil shark loose seal!
 
@DestructibleLemon loose seal?
what is the difference between a loose seal and a tight seal
 
@Downgoat if I explained it, it's a spoiler for a show
sort of
 
@DestructibleLemon wait are you australian
 
4:33 AM
yes
 
> with great power comes great responsilility
to swim away from shark
 
oh ok, then you can explain, because 99% sure in australia all TV are upside down therefore plot is opposite.
@ASCII-only 10/10
 
actually it's not really upside down
that's antarctica
 
Of all Australian people I know of, 100% of them I know from TNB.
 
@DestructibleLemon idk what you're talking everyone knows earth is flat :P
 
4:35 AM
@Pavel I know like 75% from TNB, 75% from Puzzling chats
 
> 150%
 
@Downgoat australia and china are on the underside
o wait a minute
 
I probably know Australian puzzlers, but I've never asked puzzlers their nationality.
 
@DestructibleLemon why china.
 
@DestructibleLemon O____o china???
 
4:36 AM
this is why Australia and China have such great relations
@Downgoat this is kindergarten stuff
 
@ASCII-only Aren't you Australian yourself? Implying you would know most of them IRL?
 
you can dig to china, remember?
 
@DestructibleLemon 0/10 discriminatory, goats have hard time using shovels
 
@Pavel I know one ex-PPCG member (from uni), one Puzzling member (from high school)
most of the rest are too far away
 
Question: what happens when emu gets boomerang
 
4:37 AM
@Downgoat well excuse me
 
although I could certainly have stalked them on one of my holidays if I wanted
@DestructibleLemon huh?
 
because we're both on the bottom of the flat earth
 
@DestructibleLemon china is on northern hemiflatsphere?
 
no that is lies probably
 
how do you know
 
4:39 AM
how deep is the flat earth
 
I think like 8 miles (deepest hole is 7.5mi, obviously illuminati had to stop them)
 
@Downgoat wasn't there an actual illuminati that did the exact opposite of what they're claimed to do?
 
@DestructibleLemon yes, there is in actual illuminati it's the illumianti obviously
 
how long can an se username be?
 
@DestructibleLemon very.
 
4:44 AM
thx
 
IIRC 0 ' used to have too many spaces after their name
 
@ASCII-only No what I mean is that most Australians you know you know from real life not from PPCG.
 
@Pavel oh >_> of course
@Pavel I didn't read properly sorry
 
> The Australian Koala Foundation says it’s illegal to keep a koala as a pet anywhere in the world.
wait what
 
Yes it's about 99.9% IRL, .075% TNB, .075% Puzzling
 
4:46 AM
:| isn't that still above 100%
 
There's an overlap between PPCGers and PSEers
 
e.g. Sp3000 is both
 
OIC
 
John Dvorak (and various other PPCGers) play contact pretty often too
 
4:48 AM
I've never met anyone from Australia IRL.
 
@Pavel Is this how much of a sad anti-multicultural country the US is
 
I wouldn't say that
 
@ASCII-only I don't think at this point in time you can make any generalizations about US because 50% of US thinks on way and the other 50% thinks in nearly the opposite
 
Where I live, there's a pretty even mix of East Asian, Eastern Eurpean, Indian. But almost no African-Americans.
 
But .-. you must have met an Australian? Somewhere?
 
Anonymous
4:50 AM
I've met several people from Australia, though most of them were at college
 
Well if I did I didn't ask them their nationality or recognize an accent.
 
@ASCII-only like people who have immigrated? people who are visiting from australia? people with australia background?
 
@Pavel as4, wen, numbermaniac, boboquack, TheGreatEscaper, IDK who else
@Downgoat I'd say immigrated should count (also visiting definitely)
 
ok like around 14 total (in the US)
 
@Pavel Ditto
 
4:52 AM
at least people who I knew 100% were australian
 
The more I think about it the lower the racial divirsity in my area seems to be.
 
Where I live there is no racial group which is > 50% of population
 
Where I live Vietnamese Indians same lol those two racial groups are like the most common so they both take up like 20%? 30%? each
 
RIP CA apparently has 'F' on cost of living
 
@Downgoat F as in too expensive?
 
4:55 AM
yea
 
iirc Seattle has the highest cost of living in the United States?
 
like cheapest house (maybe like 30y old) are like 800K if that gives you an idea
@Pavel no that's NY
 
Right, right, Seattle is only #10.
nvm
 
@Downgoat :| My parents bought a 30 year old house like 9 years ago for ~$700k
 
how much is property tax in australia
 
4:57 AM
Does that mean Australia cost of living is G????
 
@ASCII-only owow that is still very expensive
 
700k is better than 800k
 
@Downgoat link
@Pavel Keep in mind this is 9 years ago
 
Right
 
Accounting for inflation it would be around $1.3m now
 
4:58 AM
@ASCII-only wait how old ru
 
@Downgoat did you forget already (17)
 
From my School's Wikipedia article:
> Notable Alumni
The man, the myth, the legend, gank
 
@ASCII-only you are undergrad?
:| you got a house when you were 8
 
@Downgoat Yes
@Downgoat 1. My parents 2. >_> My parents always had a house it's not like we were living in a sedan
 
@ASCII-only :O so you are millionaire already.
 

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