@Mayube hm that is interesting

why are monospace fonts never monospace when it comes to unicode

@StepHen how are you going to distinguish half-width and full-width characters?

@LeakyNun but they aren't even monospace for full-width characters

@StepHen lol use courier

@StepHen Do you have an example that's not?

@AdmBorkBork this answer, comparison on TIO: Try it online!

I must not be seeing what you're seeing

the top line is 51 characters, but both lines render as the same length

@AdmBorkBork one line is 50 chars and the other is 51 chars, but they are the same length

it's more distinct for certain chars

not sure if you can access this page, but here's my github codepage (spec): github.com/stestoltz/cQuents/edit/master/codepage.md

and you can see the differences in the source for the md table

Not on my screen. They're about a 1/4-char-width different

Here's a better example

the 2nd line is 50 As

here's what I see:

@Mayube yes that is a better example

Interesting.

Ｐ is distinctly wider than common uppercase characters

@Mayube yep, same with Ｍ

which is annoying cos on my font they look the same, just with more padding

@Mayube oh lol

@Mayube Because they're fullwidth not monospace

Get GNU Unifont then

that's ttf-unifont on apt-get right?

Yeah

@NewMetaPosts ...pls look up before you ask

@totallyhuman it is so hard for me to find that answer, even though I need to find it so much

I always forget the title says "character encoding" and not "custom encoding"

@Adám neat. I'm still trying to solve without recursion, with outer product. It might be even shorter.

Titus Andronicus Act 4, Scene 2 (William Shakespeare)

was that...

a "I fucked your mom" joke.. in shakespeare?

@Mayube yep :p

@Mayube well it is an obscure play no one's heard of

what

@StepHen Obscure? There's been at least one movie adaptation with Anthony Hopkins.

@Downgoat hi

@AdmBorkBork well, at least less known/not a household name

grumble It's known in my household mumble mumble

:Ｐ

@AdmBorkBork thy mother is known in thy household

@LeakyNun hello

:O you change your avata

@Downgoat ya

everyone makes a fuzz about it

much ado about nothing

@LeakyNun that's the second time you've said that

are you reading a lot of Shakespeare or something?

@StepHen nah

do you know that it's another sexual joke :P

@LeakyNun Do you bite your thumb at me, sir?

> brest

@AdmBorkBork lol

@LeakyNun or the moon just decided it liked Jupiter better

Interestingly enough, the distance from Earth to the Moon is enough to fit all the other planets' diameters plus Pluto.

whoa

@AdmBorkBork yes, so we can stop drawing earth and the moon like they were close

@AdmBorkBork but... Pluto is a planet...

Yes to Leaky, no to Step Hen.

@StepHen hah i checked the date first to see why i didn't hear about this

@totallyhuman and then click into the alleged press release :P

It takes light 1 second to go from earth to moon

lol

what's a 2d esolang that starts on the bottom (left or right) and can read integers from STDIN, as opposed to characters

@LeakyNun I thought it was 2-3 seconds because of Doctor Who books was I lied to :(

@ASCII-only Google says 1.3 seconds, although 2-3 seconds makes sense for light to travel to the moon and back

Yeah that makes sense then

@ASCII-only Does charcoal have a command to mark current position such that we can return back to it when needed?

@officialaimm No :|

If you convince me it's useful with pseudocode then I'll add it :P

Well, I donot really know charcoal so that might be tough :D... But I had something in my mind when I was looking at the Alan-Walker's question... Wait I will see if I can explain...

@ASCII-only another feature-request: a way to draw a string. For example, "AA"↓⁵ would draw AA\nAA\nAA\nAA\nAA

^

@StepHen Cardinal, I think, qualifies. It starts at arbitrary % marks, so you could start it in the lower left.

@StepHen Actually I had something like that in my mind as well.. :D

would've really helped with the walker challenge

@StepHen It's fine if it needs a command character before it right?

@ASCII-only I don't know, I don't care about the syntax as much as the feature

@AdmBorkBork I can make that work

@StepHen Like as in it will be less golfy by one byte :P

@ASCII-only right, but it'll still be golfier than the current fixes :P

@totallyhuman Pls pseudocode of answer using this

@ASCII-only he's talking about my thing I think - D"\\"↘² -> "\\\n \\"

Yeah I just need to make sure it will actually make it golfier first :P

@ASCII-only oh hm. yeah I dunno, depends on how you implement it

but it would make drawing my first example golfier (I think)

@AdmBorkBork it works, thanks :) any more? :P

an ascii art lang that works like LOGO

that'd be pretty interesting

@StepHen That's the only one I knew of off-hand that didn't start at 0,0 upper-left. Looking at the 2d tag on Esolangs might reveal another?

@AdmBorkBork I found a few, but all of them can't read integers (only chars)

@totallyhuman ... That exists lol, it's called turtled

oh?

this one: github.com/Destructible-Watermelon/turtl-d ?

@totallyhuman Yes

@ASCII-only ^ 2P means the mode to print double characters

@officialaimm :| but at first count it's less golfy than Neil's

@ASCII-only Yes, it isn't unfortunately... but still, worth mentioning I guess.. :)

Hello

My online interpreter begins look more as an interpreter

I must add byte counts, test suite mode and debug mode... Maybe a documentation search bar

you're gonna write cthulhu in JS?

Write it in Proton

Though it might be a bit much to write an interpreted language in an interpreted language that's written in yet another interpreted language

@BusinessCat Nah it's fine :P

Just look at PyPy :P

the sluggishness would be over 9000

Although you can compile Python

lol there's so much overhead for pypy

even hello world

Is the pypy interpreter at least compiled

dunno

Or do you have to interpret pypy in Python so that it can interpret Python

@BusinessCat If I make another golfing language, that's my plan, trough a bit worse - golfing language -> my language -> processing -> processing.js -> JavaScript :p

Chat-Mega-Challenge: Create a golfing language interpreter in a different golfing language

@BusinessCat SOGL, 2 bytes: !! (SOGL self-interpreter)

@dzaima what does it interpret

In a different language

So no eval :P

@BusinessCat Charcoal, 2 bytes: ＶＳ

Wait no eval damnit

...

Does Mathematica count :P

> in a different golfing language

no self-eval

Invoke-WebRequest www.wolframalpha.com/code

find a golflang that was implemented in a golflang

and make sure it has implementation language eval

ya I'm going to write a Pyth interpreter in Jelly

Copy-paste 05AB1E interpreter into Jelly and Python eval

... when I have the time

Is brainfuck a golfing language?? It is esoteric, but is it a golfing language??

@officialaimm no it isn't

@BusinessCat SOGLOnline JavaScript, 30 bytes: f=(a,...b)=>cp.launchSOGL(a,b) - SOGL interpreter (call like f("+","45","53"))

Yeah @LeakyNun. So, @BusinessCat are we only talking ONLY golfing language business or other esolangs count as well? :D

can it be a non-turing complete language?

@totallyhuman Do you know how to have a function with a default parameter in Proton?

cc @HyperNeutrino

i don't think he's implemented it

oh :/

eugh

that hurts

You could try to implement it yourself and make a pull request

Meh, I will let the creator create his language. I wouldn't want anyone to do that to Cthulhu, for instance.

@officialaimm I dunno. I intended it to be a joke :P

<- would gladly accept help with Charcoal :P

@Pavel Anyway, I should work on my language, not on others'

@ASCII-only I could totally help if it was written in, say, C#.

@BusinessCat well it's a good chance to make Charcoal more practical :P

@Pavel eh C# isn't exactly the most widely known language here

Right, but Java is. :P

:P

WAIT WHAT WHYYYY JAVA

Python is though

Java is literally the most well-known language.. Which by extension means most people know C#, too.

They just don't know it yet.

...and they don't need to?

C#, while being nearly the same is Java, is vastly superior to Java.

It's really easy to switch to C# from Java and then you never want to go back.

IMO, Jelly should be added to that list

I wrote my first trashy language without trees at all (only recursive function, stack-based evaluation and a basic tokenizer)... Now I am planning to write a qbasic interpreter in python but only after really going thoroughly through compiler design course, just so to sharpen my skills.. This thought came when I saw terrible mistake (or so I think) in repl.it's qbasic interpreter repl.it/KKjf/2..

What would be a good name for a 2D tacit language

But Charcoal has things like Python eval, things like they are such a pain in compiled languages

@BusinessCat That exists, it's called TacO

Jellyfish too