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9:00 PM
@HyperNeutrino lost is relative
 
no u
 
I mean I won't get FGITW'd right ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ for answers I'll post because I'll probably get votes the next day too and it's rewarding enough in and of itself to make something that works :P
@StepHen ~3 hours
 
if you hadn't posted them, someone else would have (for some of them at least) so you wouldn't have gotten that rep if you had waited
 
(no not -4 hours)
@StepHen true
so much for making the language framework
I'll do that later tonight :P
 
@HyperNeutrino ?
 
9:02 PM
I was going to try to throw together the generic framework for my sequence language in about half an hour to get a better idea of where I want it to go to see if I can merge it with Ceres to avoid making 100000 languages :P
 
question: docs first, code first or both simultaneously?
 
What's the highest REP that actually does something.
 
@totallyhuman spec -> code -> docs
 
Cause I'ma cap out at that and start bountying everything.
 
9:02 PM
Oh.
 
like you mean for privileges?
25k for sites that aren't PPCG
 
but once we graduate it'll spike up
 
@StepHen We graduated over a year ago ಠ_ಠ
 
@StepHen what do you mean by the difference between spec and docs
 
9:03 PM
You mean get a design :P
 
:O SITE ANALYTICS.
 
@HyperNeutrino * fully graduate
 
sure ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@totallyhuman spec is how the language works. docs is how people use your language
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@totallyhuman spec it what it should do, docs are what it does and more information and how to use it
I like @HyperNeutrino's better
 
9:04 PM
hrm
I like to think both could be the same
 
@totallyhuman spec is short and to the point
 
I usually do spec -> code -> spec -> start all over again -> spec -> code -> docs -> give up
 
because I don't plan
at all
 
@totallyhuman for brainf***, spec is the 8 rows in the table
docs are the rest
 
Planning can be very helpful. For the last (and only) hackathon I did we did an actual documentation/specification to do it
 
9:05 PM
I now want to make a challenge "get a website on the site analytics for PPCG incoming traffic."
 
If we didn't do that we would have gotten nowhere because we were all running different servers all over the place and if things weren't consistent nothing would work :P
 
@HyperNeutrino at a decent competition you get scored pretty heavily on planning, docs, and testing
 
ah I see
 
right but this isn't a competition though :P
nobody's judging my work so... :P
 
@totallyhuman nope but if you want to maintain it in the future, you better make it right :P
 
9:06 PM
idea -> code -> spec is RProgN's writing style.
 
Jul 8 at 16:00, by Step Hen
> Any code of your own that you haven't looked at for six or more months might as well have been written by someone else. - Eagleson's Law
@ATaco that sounds horrible
 
It's how I roll. B)
 
I cover a paper in spec before I start coding usually, because my ideas don't happen in front of a computer usually
 
Try it online! - At what point do I just give up and do it in BF?
 
9:09 PM
@MagicOctopusUrn how exactly do you propose to do it in bf? :P
 
Uhhh.... quickly create a Java wrapper to replace >< with 0 and call it BF this challenge.
 
Isn't there BF variants for most letters?
 
@StepHen how many valid bf characters are in the set?
 
@totallyhuman 0 iirc
 
9:11 PM
oh
well then
 
Should just alter BF to allow the character set as an argument haha.
 
can I do ook?
 
It'd be slightly more powerful.
 
@MagicOctopusUrn O_O
 
@totallyhuman go check for yourself lol
 
9:12 PM
oh wait you weren't here
hang on a sec
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A: Trivial Brainf**k Substitution Interpreter

totallyhumanPython 2, 447 bytes import re,sys def f(b,r,a,i,n,f,u,c,k): d,e,g,m=[0]*30000,0,0,'' for n in re.finditer('|'.join(r'(?P<%s>%s)'%m for m in[(j,re.escape(l))for j,l in zip('rlidoswen',[r,a,i,n,f,u,c,k,'.'])]),b): m+=' '*g+{'r':'e+=1','l':'e-=1','i':'d[e]+=1','d':'d[e]-=1','o':'sys.stdout.wr...

gah I can't do ook
wait
 
@MagicOctopusUrn derivatives and equivalents on esolangs
 
i can claim that that answer up there is an interpreter
with the character set as flags
lol
 
@totallyhuman I think that might just be a loophole, but if it's not, you just thought of your next programming language :P
 
eh i'll make it as a one time thing
it's not like i didn't put work into it
Poll: how many times is github.com/new in your history
 
@totallyhuman 0 I don't make repos on this computer :P
 
9:15 PM
I can't decide whether to write a challenge, find a random challenge to participate in, or do nothing at all.
 
@MagicOctopusUrn learn... cQuents...
because its syntax is totally intuitive and makes complete sense
 
If I'm taking the time to learn a new language it may be charcoal.
Neil blows my mind man.
Idk why I struggle so hard to get it haha.
All my answers in it have been unoptimized to the maximum.
We should have a crowd-source sandbox; like a meta-meta for sandbox posts so each post can be its own question.
And the option to migrate it to the main SE without answers.
But I have nooo idea what SE can and cant do.
 
@MagicOctopusUrn that's been suggested like 5 times
 
I stay away from meta b/c I have dumb ideas that have been suggested like 5 times all the time ._.
 
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A: Sandbox good for its own subdomain?

Grace NoteI'm Grace Note, a Community Manager at Stack Exchange. Originally, I was writing this answer explaining the mechanical issues with this idea. I won't bore with details, though, but in the long run, migration (and especially chain migration) is pretty messy and this would be a mess to implement. ...

 
9:26 PM
Think this is good to post: Random-sandbox-link-from-magic-octopus-urn? I can't tell if lack of comments = bad challenge.
Oh holy shnikes I think I cant beat perl with 84
I forgot you gave me x.
 
Trying to do the hello world with uncommon chars challenge in SOGL. The word part isn't hard, but getting the comma is the part I don't know whether I'll be able to get something for..
 
Lol. And 05AB1E can't use strings ;O.
Commas are a SOGL weakness though? hastily prepares an ascii-art comma-heavy challenge.
 
Oh.. R does work, just not on the online interpreter.. Dammit you processing.js
 
@MagicOctopusUrn well, commas with half the codepage restricted :P
 
Print the mona lisa using nothing but commas, without base-conversion, numbers or letters where the mona lisa is subjective to your tastes.
closed before posted due to obvious problems
 
9:35 PM
@MagicOctopusUrn hardcoded ez pz
 
If the character was allowed for a bizarre reason then this would work :p
 
Look at my Sandbox post when it shows up please :)
 
Lol
Dude, come on 2 sentences?
I can ask like 6 clarifying questions off the bat: UTF-8 allowed? ASCII-only? ASCII-printable or ASCII? Can we use external python libraries?
I mean... then again I just posted a 5 sentence sandbox with the word "hella" in it... codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/13539/59376
 
@MagicOctopusUrn :| crap it was supposed to be ready to learn, especially with verbose mode what don't you get
Maybe there are just too many overload hacks? :P
 
O_O, did I accidentally notify you by writing "ASCII-only" in a post?
 
9:42 PM
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Step HenCompare Strings code-golf string Given two strings, output their value if they are exactly the same, and output a third value if they are different. This is code-golf, so shortest answer in bytes wins.

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Magic Octopus Urn15 Characters to Rule Them All, One Golfer to Find Them This challenge is hella simple. Pick 15 characters, these are the characters you're allowed to use in your source code. You must then use these characters to create a proper quine. Here is the catch, you must use at least 15 characters. How...

 
@totallyhuman 3e4 not 30000
@MagicOctopusUrn yes :P (no)
 
@dzaima I'd blame neil if that was allowed.
 
Rip Charcoal can't do the restricted source one
 
HA! 1 -> Register = - 30 bytes Try it online!
 
@MagicOctopusUrn wait are you allowed input
 
9:53 PM
Delete the input, doesn't matter. I was sanity checking myself.
I was thinking XDD = XXXX for some reason, dunno why.
 
What is the JS equivalent of a not in [0, 4]?
Or would I just do (a != 0 && a != 4)?
 
![0,4].includes(a)
 
includes?!?!?!
I was going to say "indexOf != -1" does that really exist?! So much wasted code ._.
 
@MagicOctopusUrn yeah, found out about it doing random stuff making my QotH submission
 
@dzaima Thanks! Unfortunately QT's JS doesn't support that function, so I'll just use the double !=
 
9:59 PM
@dzaima grumbles happily now I have to do like 19 refactors tomorrow.
I wrote a javascript guide on a few things for some interns >_<
I'm definitely not qualified to do that.
 
Here's a beautifully designed and nerdy website that you guys would appreciate: strml.net
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hello
 
10:14 PM
'allo
 
Hollo
 
Dude, damnit, now I want tacos.
 
someone's angry at the oeis challenge right now
i dont understand it :c
 
wait it changed
from a000236
halp
how did it change
 
10:20 PM
Wait, did you actually have an answer for 236?
@MDXF has A000009 been taken btw?
 
I swear to god it changed
I was researching the old sequence
 
@MagicOctopusUrn You rang? :P
 
The old sequence was from an ancient operating system.
Or something like that, it had no algorithm posted so he refactored the code, now it's A000010.
 
what? no it wasn't it had to do with modular arithmetic
 
One of the rules was "the OEIS post must have a definition for the sequence" that algorithm didn't, so he changed it.
 
10:26 PM
@HusnainRaza Yes, I changed it because it broke a rule
 
it reverted back .-.
 
Yeah, and it reverted back
because I'm going to roll it back every damn time the OP rolls mine back
 
my stack exchange machine broke
 
how does my solution of A00236 break a rule?
 
what was your solution?
can you pastebin it or something
 
10:29 PM
I misspoke
I mean, why isn't A00236 a valid sequence to use
 
It is unsolvable
 
by the way, that wasn't deliberately made difficult to follow. It just came out as 236 bytes by chance
 
There is no algorithm in the OEIS sequence
 
Evidence?
 
Um. Look in the OEIS sequence. No algorithm
 
10:29 PM
no algorithm mentioned in the actual page
 
somehow, Max Alekseyev managed to compute the last nine terms
 
but there is something about an algorithm in the papers
mentioend
 
@MDXF want my answer gone?
 
Max Alekseyev made the whole sequence up @ppperry
@MagicOctopusUrn No, why?
 
how do you know?
 
10:31 PM
It was the one after that change.
 
No @MagicOctopusUrn yours is valid
@ppperry Everything in the OEIS page for it says - Max Alekseyev
@ppperry why do you have such a problem with using proper-ish Lisp formatting anyway?
 
I have a problem with people arbitraily changing my answer
 
@MDXF put it in the rules, explicitly, that if your OEIS sequence is not a well known sequence, or lacks an algorithm on the page, that it is not valid
 
he isnt op
 
@ppperry I take blame for that, sorry, I suggested that.
 
10:33 PM
Where does it say that?
 
It had been sitting for 2 days after exploding the first 4.
 
Hey is someone messing with the OEIS answers again?
 
Read the last 40 lines.
 
ಠ_ಠ
 
10:34 PM
What did you also have an answer for 236?
 
I was hoping someone would figure it out :c
 
@MagicOctopusUrn No. Also, you can't use 05AB1E.
 
Why the heckle not?
 
heckle?
 
You can't use a language more than once until 150 answers have been posted
Mr. Xcoder used it 60 answers ago. Please delete your answer. Also, I'm rolling back to Revision 3
 
10:35 PM
HE'S HECKLING MY USE OF 05AB1E. I thought that was funny.
 
*4
*6
Wow that's a lot of revisions
 
Oh jesus, didn't see that.
 
*some number
 
I literally went through manually ._.
And f----d up like a genius.
Give me some credit, A000010 is open ;)
 
Er, no
HyperNeutrino rolled back my answer to the 236 byte version
 
10:37 PM
I meant rhetorically. Rhetorical credit. Credit that matters 0%.
 
maybe someone could try to crack this sequence? :?
 
D<!>žr/ó*q was a neat looking answer though, <!> made me really happy.
Idk why, but it just did.
 
I also flagged it for mod attention (see my comment)
 
this is the danger of challenges
 
Is anyone here good with Vim? Is there a way to set it so my cursor is a block when in normal mode, and a vertical bar in insert mode?
 
10:39 PM
Yeah, but if you NAIL a spec they're good; like this one.
 
Yes. Answers depending on each other gets troublesome when people are changing answers around
 
How many other answer chainings got to 100 answers? Not... many?
 
Polyglot A-C?
 
I want someone to post a urnary answer and get us to A100000+
 
10:42 PM
@DJMcMayhem are you there by any chance?
 
Grr. Community is starting to protect this question a bunch too xD
 
Okay, well, that challenge is over @ppperry
 
@ppperry [WORDS](LINK)
 
oh
 
10:44 PM
You need the http:// (protocol)
 
@HyperNeutrino Yeah I saw your comment
 
I was saying that add a language to a polygot did get more than 100 answers
despite having much more restrictions than this on connections between answers.
 
Well this challenge apparently needs another restriction
OEIS sequence must not be invalid and made up by one guy
 
LOL
Oh man...
That made me laugh so ahrd.
 
Please stop claiming that A00236 was made up by one person.
 
10:46 PM
so hard you missed the h and a keys
 
Ok, I'll do that.
 
And this, this is why my "OEISolang" died so quickly.
 
When it isn't.
 
Rabung and Jordan incorrectly computed a(8) as 399: their placement of residues supporting a(8)=399 fails since 80 and 81 fall into the same 8th-power residue class.
 
there 2 people
 
10:47 PM
@ppperry Rabung and Jordan incorrectly computed
 
yes
 
So you're saying that the fact that two people incorrectly computed it makes it more valid?
 
but they only incoreectly computed A(8)
 
Well, they know it's incorrect!!
 
no one provided evidence that their computations of A(1) through A(7) were wrong
 
10:47 PM
Which means someone else computed it correctly!
 
which means it wasn't made up
 
@HyperNeutrino Yeah! THE SAME GUY THAT MADE EVERYTHING ELSE UP IN THAT SEQUENCE :D:D:D
 
Okay time to do some research. The last time this challenge almost died I ninja'd the 1-week timer so I should do that again :P
@MDXF ಠ_ಠ
I don't care what you think as long as you don't edit-war the post xD
The problem is I don't think I have any more Pythons to use
 
Python -1
 
I might need to use PyPy 3 or a version of Java
 
10:48 PM
Python before it was python.
 
That doesn't exist
 
The problem is that <insert PPCG user here> doesn't have any more <insert language here> submissions for that challenge
 
@MagicOctopusUrn ...ಠ_ಠ
 
@DJMcMayhem Oh yes I remember this
@HyperNeutrino *PyPy 3
 
Has groovy been used?
 
10:49 PM
@ASCII-only done
@MagicOctopusUrn You can search for it using the stack snippet :P
 
Guys
 
yes ...
 
It might be a better idea to see if that OEIS is possible before you start thinking about languages to do it in
 
@HyperNeutrino teach me your mellinial magic, though I am also a mellinial...
 
Ooh since languages are allowed to be created after challenges how about this new lang: IOC
 
10:50 PM
@MagicOctopusUrn is:a groovy inquestion:id
 
@MagicOctopusUrn It's at the bottom of the question ಠ_ಠ
@MDXF what is that
 
@HyperNeutrino INVALID OEIS COMPUTER
 
@HyperNeutrino ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ
 
if you're planning on making a language to compute this: English, 2 byte: no
@MagicOctopusUrn ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ
 
10:51 PM
@HyperNeutrino If you don't mind obfustacing your code, you can use Symbolic Python
 
is that JSF**k for python ಠ_ಠ
 
in a way
 
I don't like the look of that :P
I can just use PyPy 3 if necessary
 
oh
I did a quick search for Python on esolangs.org
 
Ah okay :P
 
10:53 PM
@Phoenix I am now. Whassup?
 
So, last time posting this: codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/13539/59376 yes, no, maybe so?
 
@DJMcMayhem I need some vim help
Is there a way to set it so my cursor is a block when in normal mode, and a vertical bar in insert mode?
 
Ok I'm gonna go away until I can stop being angry at really pointless stuff, which is basically ... anything on PPCG. Bye o/
 
All I need to do is research what a power residue class is and then I can probably brute-force this (won't work well but if it technically works, sure)
@MDXF bye o/
 
Because right now it's stuck in vertical bar mode and it's akward.
 
10:54 PM
@MDXF BUT WE NEED THE XF'd M's!
 
@feersum Yeah most of then are derived from the esolang C ":P
 
@MagicOctopusUrn maybe. looks interesting
 
That works too, thanks!
 
@Phoenix that should be default :| idk what you messed with
 
10:55 PM
Who suggested cops and robbers?
 
Does every non-trivial sequence in that challenge have at least one deleted answer for the following number
I did.
 
For interest:
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A: What is a residue class?

InceptioBasically residue classes are the possible remainders. For example: $a \equiv b (\mod m)$ We say, $b= [a]_m$ Now for the APPLICATIONS: $\implies$ This is used in most of the famous theorems, for example: Fermat's little theorem $\implies$ Modular arithmetic is often used to calculate checksu...

 
@ppperry you should post that as a cops-and-robbers question.
@ppperry you can take full credit, that's an amazing idea.
@ppperry I just don't know the formatting or how to constrain one.
 
@ASCII-only I currently don't have a .vimrc, so I don't think so.
 
Using gvim with the defaults, the cursor shape is a block when in n-v-c modes (normal mode, or visual selection mode, or command mode while entering a colon command), and the shape changes to a vertical bar when in i (insert) mode. The color and blink rates do not change.
 
10:58 PM
This is command line vim, not gvim.
 
@Phoenix well pretty sure the default is block for both or something
@Phoenix did you change your terminal default
 
No
 
Good job, @HyperNeutrino!
 
:)
I'm asking for some help in the Math chat as well to try to get some more information
 
@Phoenix Yes there is. I do the same thing, it's super helpful
 
10:59 PM
Last time I needed to ninja the winner, all I needed was someone to explain things to me :P
 
I don't remember how though, just a minute
 
They appear to be discussing something else though :(
Yay someone's explaining things to me :D
 
@Phoenix Does this work for you? I think it's automatic in GVim (which is what I use) so I'm not sure if this does it
 
It's a vertical bar in cmder, and an underline in powershell and cmd.exe.
@DJMcMayhem Given it specifically says "xterm on linux only", no.
 
What are you using?
 
11:02 PM
Cmder on Windows
Which uses the ConEmu terminal.
 
I have no idea then
 
Aww
 
let &t_AB="\e[48;5;%dm"
let &t_AF="\e[38;5;%dm"
Does that do it? (Random guess)
 
@DJMcMayhem Nope. Oh well.
 
@MagicOctopusUrn I'm not really good at formatting of challenges either.
I've posted one challenge in the sandbox, which got deleted as duplicate.
 
11:07 PM
@DJMcMayhem Actually, kindof. It made my cursor be stuck in block mode.
 
Weird. I got it from here: conemu.github.io/en/VimXterm.html
 
@DJMcMayhem I managed to get it to work with:
let &t_ti.="\e[1 q"
let &t_SI.="\e[5 q"
let &t_EI.="\e[1 q"
let &t_te.="\e[0 q"
However intrestingly enough, the cursor immesiatly becomes vertical when entering insert mode, but only becomes a block after one blink when going back to normal mode.
 
11:26 PM
> immesiatly
 
>_< the d and s keys are right next to each other.
 
@DJMcMayhem That's amazing!
 
11:46 PM
this oeis stuff is confusing :c
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

GryphonChampernowne up to me code-golf number Champernowne's constant is an infinite decimal number that consists of "0." followed by all natural numbers concatenated together. It begins like so: 0.0123456781011121314151617181920212223242526272829303132333435363738394041424344454647484950, etc. Your...

 
CMC: ^
print'0.',;for i in range(input()+1):print i,
 

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