The Nineteenth Byte

user202729

15:06

@Mego Should I install Linux or something?

J. Sallé

@user202729 probably.

Anonymous

@user202729 That's always a good suggestion

Pavel

@user202729 You can install Linux Subsytem for Windows, which will basically allow you to run Linux on Windows. It's pretty great.

Nathan Merrill

@user202729 if you want to find out, you can install bash so you can just run it from cmd

-.-

what a ninja

Pavel

@J.Sallé Bash is not a good shell. CMD is far far worse, but bash isn't 'awesome'.

J. Sallé

15:11

@Pavel yes it is. As the name suggests: best and awesomest

Pavel

The name suggests Bourne-again Shell

I did an awful hack to let PowerShell use Linux utils like grep and such and it's actually quite nice.

J. Sallé

@Pavel you're no fun :(

Anonymous

@Pavel I'm not a fan of PowerShell's excessively verbose command names

Anonymous

Also the monolithic design means it's hard to swap out things

Pavel

@Mego They all have short aliases. sc for Set-Content, man for Get-Help, for example.

Anonymous

15:14

Err, command options

Pavel

@Mego I don't actually know what that means ._.

user202729

@Pavel It will be slower than just use Linux. Also mine is 32-bit OS on 64-bit machine.

Anonymous

@Pavel Like -RedirectStandardOutput for Start-Process

AdmBorkBork

@Mego As long as you're unambiguous, you can shorten command options. E.g., instead of sort -unique you can do sort -u

tfbninja

@DJMcMayhem have you written an answer in brain-flak for codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/59347/… ?

user202729

15:15

@Mego So why are people still using Windows? (Anyone here in TNB are using Windows)

Nathan Merrill

I am

Pavel

@Mego I meant the monolithic thing

Nathan Merrill

I can't stand linux UI

I've tried a gazillion of them, and I vastly prefer windows

Anonymous

@user202729 I use Windows solely for gaming and Windows-specific development

Pavel

@user202729 I am, this is my work laptop and I'm not allowed to install Linux on it.

J. Sallé

15:16

@Mego same

Pavel

So basically ^^^

Nathan Merrill

@Mego what's Window-specific?

Anonymous

@Pavel It means that it's one giant monster instead of a bunch of connected pieces that you can easily swap out for other pieces

J. Sallé

Linux is the best platform for not-gaming.

Riker

@tfbninja not posted at least

I like your answer tho, +1

Pavel

15:17

@Mego Oh you mean that most commands are builtins and not executables?

tfbninja

@Riker

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill Development for specifically Windows - it doesn't make sense to use Mono/whatever when you're only targetting Windows

Nathan Merrill

yeah, that makes sense

Anonymous

@Pavel Yes

Riker

@tfbninja ya?

tfbninja

15:17

@riker thx, how does one check for an answer in a certain language?

Riker

well, I ctrl-f'ed the leaderboard in the question

you can also do "brain-flak" inpost:POST_ID_HERE or something in the search bar

but it's not inpost I don't remember what it is

tfbninja

cool thx

Nathan Merrill

does F# run on the CLR?

Riker

maybe "inq"

Pavel

@Mego I have all the exes that come with MinGW in my PATH. I largely use GNU coreutils instead of PowerShell builtins.

Nathan Merrill

15:18

oooh, it looks like it does

Pavel

@NathanMerrill How else would you run F#

Nathan Merrill

Mono targets the CLR, right? So that means that F# isn't windows specific either

@Pavel I don't know F#. I wasn't sure what it was built on

it could just be compiled or something.

Pavel

@NathanMerrill Oh. F# is a .NET language, it runs on everything that C# runs on.

Anonymous

@Pavel But configure is so slow under Windows because of the different process model. I'd much rather take the minute or so to boot up my Linux machine than to wait for ages for a decent-sized configure script to run on Windows.

Nathan Merrill

what's the difference between the CLR and .NET?

Riker

15:20

@tfbninja if you're curious it's inquestion:QUESTION_ID

Nathan Merrill

like, I know that the CLR is basically the JVM for microsoft languages

but I thought that .NET meant the web framework for C#

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill CLR is the runtime implemented by the .NET Framework

Nathan Merrill

but if F# is a .NET language, then what does that even mean?

so .NET is basically a specification?

and the CLR is just an implementation of the specificaiton

huh

Anonymous

No, .NET is an implementation of a specification, that includes the CLR and a whole bunch of library code

Pavel

.NET is a runtime, compiler, and standard library.

Nathan Merrill

15:22

it sounds like everything and nothing :P

Anonymous

Just like Mono is an implementation of (mostly) the same specification, which also includes a compiler targetting the CLR, a runtime that runs CLR code, and a whole bunch of library code

Pavel

CLI (Common language infrastructure) is the specification for the CLR (Common language runtime). Mono has it's own implementation of the CLI.

Anonymous

The problem here is that Microsoft didn't really bother separating the specification from the implementation until recently, and so it's hard to distinguish them

Pavel

Until recently Mono was wholly unsupported so Microsoft saw no reason to seperate them.

Anonymous

It's kinda like how most people refer to Oracle HotSpot as "the JVM", when really the JVM is a specification, and Oracle HotSpot is one of several implementations

Nathan Merrill

15:25

ok. So there's the CLI. It's a specification of how to run CLR code. Then .NET is an implementation of that specification (for windows), but is also commonly used to refer to the entire stack of technologies. Mono is another implementation of CLI.

Pavel

@NathanMerrill .NET is the entire technology stack.

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill Yes. The .NET Runtime and SDK implement the CLI and provide tools to target the CLI. The .NET Framework is the library code.

Anonymous

And then .NET Core is an open-source CLI implementation with some of the .NET Framework stuff (but not most of it)

DJMcMayhem

@tfbninja Oh hey! Welcome to chat! :)

Pavel

.NET has the .NET Runtime, .NET Framework, and Microsoft Visual Compiler

Nathan Merrill

15:27

so basically, there's a company called Microsoft that should really be called .NET

DJMcMayhem

No, I haven't yet

Nathan Merrill

because they like to put their name everywhere

Anonymous

Also Microsoft choosing to use CLI for Command Language Infrastructure when that acronym has meant Command-Line Interface for decades is also super confusing

Pavel

Microsoft Visual Compiler is also the name of their C++ compiler.

AdmBorkBork

Microsoft© .NET®

Anonymous

15:28

@NathanMerrill Microsoft .NET Framework Ultra Edition sponsored by Microsoft featuring Microsoft by Microsoft

Pavel

@NathanMerrill to make it slightly more confusing, the C# compiler is also called Roslyn.

Nathan Merrill

C# is a different beast

actually, does the C# compiler actually use any .NET code?

like, if you consider the C# compiler to input C# code, and output CLR code

Anonymous

Basically Microsoft built a behemoth called .NET and chose names and acronyms that were as confusing as possible so that they could achieve world domination and be the leading cause of developer migraines

Pavel

Well Roslyn isn't just the C# compiler, I know it does C# and VB.NET, F# might have it's own.

Nathan Merrill

right, but so far, I haven't heard any .NET

Pavel

15:30

@Mego But we forgive them because they made C# and C# and wonderful and amazing.

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill Yes, because it has to properly interface with Framework code, which may or may not be already compiled

Pavel

And could have been compiled from any other .NET language, such as Dyalog APL.

Anonymous

And Framework libraries and their linking is a whole separate beast from the CLR

Anonymous

@Pavel Or IronPython :P

Pavel

@Mego I'm still trying to figure out how IronPython allows you to assign arbitrary functions to variables.

Anonymous

15:33

@Pavel What do you mean?

Pavel

@Mego python let's you have functions in variables right

Like a=print

The dynamic type can't have delegates in .net

Anonymous

@Pavel I don't think Python functions are implemented as delegates

Pavel

@Mego iron python let's you operate on .net functions too

Anonymous

@Pavel Well sure, but that doesn't mean that Python functions have to be implemented as delegates

Anonymous

What I would guess is being done is having a Function class that is used for all functions/delegates in Python land, that gets compiled to the appropriate structures in .NET land.

Pavel

15:39

@Mego does a=Console.Write even work

Anonymous

@Pavel I don't see why it wouldn't

Pavel

@Mego because dynamic a=Console.Write doesn't work in C#

Anonymous

@Pavel But the entire point is that it's Python, not C#. Different rules (that are compiled to the same ruleset in the end).

Anonymous

You also can't do def foo(*args): pass in C# but that doesn't stop IronPython. It's implementing a different language, albeit on the same runtime.

Pavel

@Mego you can't put a method reference in a .net dynamic

Anonymous

15:43

@Pavel This is true. The point is, IronPython doesn't do that.

Pavel

Without reflection, at least

@Mego But the reason .net has dynamic is to accommodate IPython

Anonymous

@Pavel I'm fairly certain that's not the reason it was added

Pavel

It was added for C#/IP interoperability iirc

Anonymous

At least, that's not the main/sole reason

Anonymous

But that's not relevant here - the DLR was created for .NET 4. IronPython has been around since 2.0 (if not earlier)

Anonymous

15:47

While the DLR surely makes IronPython neater, it isn't necessary

Pavel

@Mego can I return a .net method from an IP function, and then call it from C# putting the output in a dynamic?

eaglgenes101

I did a good look around the site, and I found the GOLF project

It was a good attempt to try to standardize running times in code challenges, but because of tooling support, GOLF processor challenges were casically GOLF assembly only

*lack of tooling support

Anonymous

@Pavel I'm not sure. Probably not, because once you're in C# land, you're dealing with a delegate. Basically, in Python land, you're allowed to do all sorts of things you normally couldn't do in C# land. But once the Python code is compiled into CLR code, and you interface with it in C#, you're stuck with C# rules.

Anonymous

IronPython implements the apparent behavior of assigning delegates to a dynamic variable, but that's not at all how it's done

orlp

A new zachtronics game: store.steampowered.com/app/558990/Opus_Magnum

Pavel

15:55

Damnit, this is weird

It's like when F# had a tuple type that didn't exist on C#

Calling it from C# you had to treat it kinda like an anonymous type

Anonymous

@Pavel Think of it this way: C doesn't let you have dynamic types at all. But Python does, and Python is written in C. Similarly, C# (really the DLR) doesn't let you assign delegates to dynamic variables, but IronPython does, despite being written in .NET.

eaglgenes101

I think a more successful project achieving the same purpose would be to create an instrumenting plugin for an emulator to count the number of instructions of each kind executed

And score based on a weighted sum of that plugin's output

Pavel

@Mego but you can call IP functions from C#, that doesn't work easily with Python->C

Anonymous

@Pavel You can also call Python functions from C.

Pavel

@Mego not directly

Anonymous

15:59

@Pavel You aren't directly calling IP functions from C#, either. The difference is, the IP implementation and .NET framework hide the ugly details from you, while C doesn't.

AdmBorkBork

@orlp We've discussed it some in PPCG-Gaming. It looks intriguing.

FrownyFrog

@orlp an old game, rather

orlp

@FrownyFrog how's that

FrownyFrog

ok, it looks different

Pavel

Why do I keep hitting send by accident today

eaglgenes101

16:00

Code scoring valgrind plugin anyone?

FrownyFrog

I thought it's a remake of zachtronics.com/the-magnum-opus-challenge

this one is hex and manipulators can move somewhat

Pavel

@Mego wait, that works if the Python function returns an int, and the compiler doesn't know the return type

Since it's dynamic

So it should compile properly

It might even work, Dynamics can have the TryInvoke method to allow them to be called.

Anonymous

The moral of the story is, there's always a dirty hack (unless the lang isn't TC)

Pavel

@Mego I'm writing a dynamically typed language that compile to C#. It uses reflection to determine the return types of methods to convert them to Delegates to convert them to a DynamicObject with a TryInvoke.

It is a very dirty hack

eaglgenes101

Basically my plan of attack for a code challenge valgrind scorer is this: Use BBV to profile how often each straight-line path gets executed, supplement it with a tool that creates a score for each straight-line path, and then sum it all up

eaglgenes101

16:28

I'm synthesizing a proof-of-concept right now

Neil

16:39

@Mego I believed Firefox Pythonised their configure for this very reason

DJMcMayhem

17:00

Random python question: Are there any objects that you can't call repr on? What underlying functions need to be defined for repr to work?

orlp

>>> class Nope:
...     def __repr__(self):
...         raise Exception("nope")
>>> repr(Nope())
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
  File "<stdin>", line 3, in __repr__
Exception: nope
nope

@DJMcMayhem ^

DJMcMayhem

Ah, OK that makes sense

I thought it was either that or something with __str__,

Mr. Xcoder

CMC: Given a list of integers, determine whether two distinct integers of the two lists have at least 4 common divisors.

DJMcMayhem

@Mr.Xcoder Two, no more, no less?

Also, "Given a list ... the two lists"?

Mr. Xcoder

Sorry, I will rephrase the CMC.

CMC (rephrased): Given a list of integers, check whether there are at least two distinct integers in the list that share at least 4 divisors.

DJMcMayhem

17:12

Sounds fun in Jelly. Test cases?

Mr. Xcoder

Brb making test case

@DJMcMayhem [1, 5, 7] -> False. [4, 6, 18, 18, 10] -> True (18 and 6).

[20, 20, 23] -> False.

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Golf an Advent Calendar Instead of buying an advent calendar this year, you should build one! Task Given input of an integer (n) in the range 0-24, produce an ASCII advent calendar with the numbered doors up-to n, opened. You can choose the same order as in the below example, or generate your...

Mr. Xcoder

Yeah indeed it sound really fun in ~~Brain-Flak~~ Jelly. I'll try it too.

DJMcMayhem

@Mr.Xcoder If I have a list like [[1, 2], [2, 3], [3, 4]], how can I call a dyad on each pair of elements?

Mr. Xcoder

@DJMcMayhem <list><dyad>/€

(/ is reduce)

DJMcMayhem

17:17

Perfect

Thanks!

Mr. Xcoder

No problem

DJMcMayhem

@Mr.Xcoder Jelly, 13 bytes: ŒcÆDœ&/€ṢṪL3<

Mr. Xcoder

BTW you do not need to handle negative / 0 integers

DJMcMayhem

Œc              # All pairs...
  ÆD            # List of divisors of each number
    œ&          # Set intersection
      /€        # Of each divisor set
        Ṣ       # Sorted
         Ṫ      # Last element
          L     # Has a length
            <   # Greater than
           3    # 3

Jelly is a blast when it works lol

Mr. Xcoder

IDK maybe ~11 bytes is possible too

DJMcMayhem

17:23

Well, ṢṪ could be Ṁ, so that's -1

Mr. Xcoder

@DJMcMayhem I don't think yours handles duplicate integers.

DJMcMayhem

Oh. Well that's a dumb requirement

Mr. Xcoder

Oh Nvm it does work.

DJMcMayhem

Still 13: QŒcÆDœ&/€ṀL3<

Mr. Xcoder

@DJMcMayhem Yours happens to handle it.

DJMcMayhem

17:24

@Mr.Xcoder The old one gave 1 for [20, 20, 23]

Mr. Xcoder

oh yeah true

DJMcMayhem

It only works if the duplicate happens to have less than 4 divisors, which makes sense

@Mr.Xcoder Still waiting for that brain-flak version :P

Mr. Xcoder

<Insert extreme disapproval> ಠ____ಠ

DJMcMayhem

Honestly, every single thing about this challenge is the exact opposite of good for brain-flak

Divisors, combinatorics, distinct elements...

Mr. Xcoder

I wonder if you'd be able to do it in BFlak

DJMcMayhem

17:28

Well, it's definitely possible

Mr. Xcoder

FWIW mine was ÆDŒcQḊ$Ðfœ&/L$€>3Ẹ.

DJMcMayhem

But writing it would be about as much fun as sticking things in your eye

Mr. Xcoder

(18 bytes)

14 bytes: QÆDŒcœ&/L$€>3Ẹ

Arghhh I cannot change the userscript settings and I really want that dark theme :-P

DJMcMayhem

@Mr.Xcoder The hardest thing about it would be checking every element against every element, which means you can't consume each item

Looking at every item without consuming it is extremely difficult in brain-flak

Downgoat

@betseg do you know if turkey maintains chem/bio weapons I am a delegate for Turkey and have not been able to find infos on internet

New Sandboxed Posts

17:29

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In this challenge, your task is to take an anion and a cation, and output the chemical formula of the compound. The input follows these rules: Take in 2 strings (in any order) representing the anion and cation, e.g. F^-, NH_4^+, or Al^3+. The symbols will always be real, and charges accurate. A...

Mr. Xcoder

@NewSandboxedPosts I smell underspecified challenges

Joe

If I wanted to use dc with parallel processing (on a cluster), I would need to learn about C and threads, right? Then re-write most of the program?

DJMcMayhem

@Mr.Xcoder You could maybe do it kinda like this:

    For each a...
        for each b...
            push(a,(b), toggle)
            toggle

        toggle
        push((b), toggle)
        toggle
        do fancy divisor thing with (b,a)
        pop(a)

But the divisor thing would be a major pain

Set intersection alone is probably gonna be at least 100 bytes

I'd be amazed if it could be done in <500

Mr. Xcoder

I would like to abstain from (even) thinking of solving it in Brain-Flak.

@DJMcMayhem I'd be amazed if the submission would also handle negative integers :-D

DJMcMayhem

@Mr.Xcoder BFMC (brain-flak-mini-challenge): Given N, return the number of divisors of N.

(hint: modulus)

Mr. Xcoder

17:36

Ok, that's going to take a while to solve

@DJMcMayhem Can we move to the Brain-Flak chat room?

DJMcMayhem

Do you mean move existing messages, or just future conversation?

Mr. Xcoder

Future conversation.

DJMcMayhem

Sure

caird coinheringaahing

Does anyone know any good maths challenges on main that are, say, high-school level maths?

eaglgenes101

I dunno, maybe propose a numerical integration challenge?

Like, shortest code that achieves certain numeric integration bounds on test cases

Erik the Outgolfer

17:43

@DJMcMayhem 12 bytes: QÆDŒcf/€ṀL>3

you don't need œ& here

since every divisor will already be only once in there

DJMcMayhem

Remind me what f does?

Erik the Outgolfer

filter

DJMcMayhem

So.... Remove elements from b that aren't in a?

Erik the Outgolfer

remove elements from a that aren't in b

the difference between f and œ& is that the latter would count the occurrences as well

DJMcMayhem

Ooooh

That makes sense

Conor O'Brien

17:53

didn't we have this anagolf challenge here ?

Erik the Outgolfer

I think it's Mr. Xcoder's...

Mr. Xcoder

@ConorO'Brien Yup, I am the author of both challenges (there and here)

Conor O'Brien

you should sign your anagolf posts

Mr. Xcoder

But the Anagolf one is broken, and has been reposted there with test cases by histocrat.

@ConorO'Brien Yup, will keep in mind

Conor O'Brien

not always, but especially when xposting

Erik the Outgolfer

17:55

yup

except that it wouldn't be plagiarism if it's used later (there's no indication that was poster after the one here):

> Note that the submitted problems can be re-used by anyone.

betseg

@Downgoat i know we have a few nuclear warheads from nato

Conor O'Brien

I wasn't incriminating anyone, just noting and wondering if someone took some "inspiration" from ppcg

betseg

but i dont know about chem/bio weapons

Riker

@Downgoat ooh, mock UN? good luck :D

J. Sallé

facepalm I used the wrong code at the Levenshtein Distance CnR post

Riker

18:01

nice

is it that easy to retrace?

also, I can see the deleted answer, I'd recommend editing the body really quick

if you hurry you can make it permanently invisible

Downgoat

@Riker thanks :)

Riker

:D

@Downgoat how long do you have? end of semester, or next semester?

J. Sallé

@Riker yeah but I don't think I'll post the actual code. I posted the shorter code instead of the longer one.

Riker

@J.Sallé ah, ok

Downgoat

@Riker our first session is today :P

Topic is weapons in space and chem/bio weapons

Riker

18:11

:D have fun!

Downgoat

:D

AdmBorkBork

@Mr.Xcoder Jelly, 14 bytes

Mr. Xcoder

@AdmBorkBork 13: QŒcÆDf/€L€3<Ẹ

AdmBorkBork

aha

caird coinheringaahing

18:50

1 hour ago, by Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem 12 bytes: QÆDŒcf/€ṀL>3

AdmBorkBork

@cairdcoinheringaahing That fails for [2,6,18,4,12]

@EriktheOutgolfer ^

HyperNeutrino

hello o/

whoops gtg lol

AdmBorkBork

@DJMcMayhem Yours fails for [2,6,18,4,12] as well.

DJMcMayhem

@AdmBorkBork Try it online!

AdmBorkBork

Yay, fixed

Erik the Outgolfer

19:13

@AdmBorkBork yeah

because it was a golf to dj's code, not necessarily a valid solution

Thomas Ward

waves

Mr. Xcoder

@ThomasWard waves back

Thomas Ward

how's things

Mr. Xcoder

good I think.

HyperNeutrino

I think my school bus is cursed.

Erik the Outgolfer

19:29

um huh

HyperNeutrino

a couple weeks ago it got stuck at a railway for 15 minutes (and it wasn't even an operating line)

today at the school (before the bus even started boarding) it got backed into by an ambulance

Mr. Xcoder

@HyperNeutrino Pfff xD

How’s Enlist?

Erik the Outgolfer

@HyperNeutrino back into what

HyperNeutrino

@EriktheOutgolfer an ambulance backed up and hit the bus

@Mr.Xcoder currently not being developed :P I'll resume working on it this weekend

Mr. Xcoder

Ok, I left some suggestions there

Erik the Outgolfer

19:32

@HyperNeutrino :( no school trips for you?

HyperNeutrino

@Mr.Xcoder it would be funny but it's not every day the school calls in an ambulance

@Mr.Xcoder oh cool, thanks!

@EriktheOutgolfer it was the bus to get me home

Erik the Outgolfer

so did you get home?

Mr. Xcoder

Presumably...

Joe

@EriktheOutgolfer he found TNB, didn't he?

Erik the Outgolfer

but you can still have internet connectivity away from your home

HyperNeutrino

19:34

@Joe well I was on TNB at around 14:51 (EDT) which was when I was still at school

Joe

I know. I meant, TNB is home :)

HyperNeutrino

oh :P

but yes, I did get home :P interestingly enough, a bus from a "rival" (neighbouring, stupid school brainwashing) high school came to our school to get us :P

by then only about 20% of the people who are on that bus route were still there xD

Mr. Xcoder

Say thanks you do have school busses:P

HyperNeutrino

and also our replacement bus driver had no idea there was a tight roundabout where he needed to turn left so he got stuck there and had to do a three-point turn in the middle of a (fortunately, inactive) intersection :P

@Mr.Xcoder I'd actually rather live closer to the school and be able to get there in reasonable time without a bus :P

also I keep getting kicked out of Hypixel because ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException :/ :P

Also Java error names (actually, Java everything) is so unnecessarily long and verbose D:

Mr. Xcoder

@HyperNeutrino yeah you get used to it (and eventually bored) after walking 25 minutes daily from school

HyperNeutrino

19:37

@Mr.Xcoder (bikes are cool)

but yeah it takes me longer than that to bike to school lol (I think I've mentioned this already, the last time my bus got stuck xD)

Mr. Xcoder

@HyperNeutrino I cannot take the risk of riding the bike to school in this neighborhood :P - anyway gtg

HyperNeutrino

oh sketchy neighbourhood? rip. anyway cya o/

Riker

@HyperNeutrino either sketchy or has many bad drivers around

Mr. Xcoder

@HyperNeutrino @Riker Bad drivers (terrible drivers) and heavy traffic

Riker

@HyperNeutrino mind if I make some edits to the proton source to try to clean it up a bit?

HyperNeutrino

19:45

@Riker go ahead, I would very much so appreciate that :D

Riker

:D

can't work on it right now, but I'll try later

Erik the Outgolfer

@Mr.Xcoder also theft...how do you know nobody will stand by your side while riding your bike and pickpocket you quickly

Riker

mainly reorganizing interpreter.py

HyperNeutrino

Also, I probably wouldn't be able to bike to school the majority of the time anyway because 20 cm snowfall and ice on a daily basis :D

Riker

@EriktheOutgolfer because people aren't generally that fast at grabbing stuff from a moving target?

HyperNeutrino

19:46

@Riker lol that's the worst part of Proton currently; the lexer and parser are good enough; they don't bork that's all that matters :D

Riker

@HyperNeutrino I remember the last time it snowed here

HyperNeutrino

@Riker (where; I don't know where you live lol)

Riker

it was actually just a 1/4 inch of frost on the grass, in 2013

:p

yay for deserts

HyperNeutrino

lol

Riker

@HyperNeutrino lol

Erik the Outgolfer

19:47

most snow in greece is ~1cm on the grass (i.e. only frost, no snow on the road)

AdmBorkBork

I remember the last time it snowed here ... it was Wednesday.

HyperNeutrino

most snow I've had so far is 40cm overnight at -40, chill to like -43

Riker

can somebody just like mail snow to me thanks

HyperNeutrino

they closed the schools because it was too cold xD

Riker

> too cold

Erik the Outgolfer

19:48

> too cold

Riker

they don't close the schools here when it's 115 inside buildings

Erik the Outgolfer

imo schools shouldn't be closed just because of weather

Riker

but yet fast food places do

HyperNeutrino

not sure if they actually closed it

I can't remember xD

Erik the Outgolfer

however special policy regarding class misses should still be applied

HyperNeutrino

19:48

but at least all transportation was shut down because too much ice everywhere

AdmBorkBork

Schools have been closed here due to being too cold. When you can get frostbite in as little as 30 seconds, it's serious stuff.

Riker

@HyperNeutrino you live in eastern canada right?

HyperNeutrino

I think when they shut down transportation, the teacher is required to restructure the class a bit to accomodate those not there (unless most of the class is there)

@Riker SW ontario

@AdmBorkBork ikr yeah I think that's why

Riker

@HyperNeutrino ok tha'ts 1967 miles from me, can you get a cooler and mail me some snow? :D

HyperNeutrino

there's a policy saying schools aren't allowed to have outdoor recess under -20 but usually schools here don't care until it's like -28

@Riker sure, would you like fries on the side ಠ_ಠ :P

Riker

19:50

no I've got some in the kitchen

I'm gonna go eat them now

HyperNeutrino

schools here have been closed for being too hot too lol

Erik the Outgolfer

@HyperNeutrino well then you can legally skip school if under -20 regardless of closure

HyperNeutrino

@Riker xD

Riker

o/

@EriktheOutgolfer but they'll still give homework and I don't think teachers would care about the legality of it, they'd just give you -10% for late work

Erik the Outgolfer

then you can sue them can't you

because school shouldn't have been open in first place

Riker

19:51

do you really think it's worth sueing?

HyperNeutrino

nah just like go to the office and be like "hey can I have my marks back cuz I don't want to die"

AdmBorkBork

Well, you can sue anyone for anything ... it's just whether you'll win or not that's the issue.

Erik the Outgolfer

well, I won't risk frostbiting myself

Riker

@AdmBorkBork and whether or not you get money at the end

AdmBorkBork

That, too.

Riker

19:52

I don't think "it's the principle of the thing" really applies to lawsuits

HyperNeutrino

once we had a full transportation closure due to snow and ice

my entire science class was present :D :P

Mr. Xcoder

@HyperNeutrino Jonathan Frech has a 24 byte saving on your answer lol

HyperNeutrino

oh cool :D will edit later

Mr. Xcoder

You have like -20 from X, -20 from Y, -20 from Z :D

HyperNeutrino

oh lol :P

Pavel